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On April 21 2022 04:56 LegalLord wrote: I don't see why anyone is surprised that Biden isn't popular. He and his party apparatus set the bar at being marginally better than Trump, and achieved an approval rating that was, in kind, marginally better than Trump's. Yeah, basically, lol Watching the standards dip in real time and no one in US politics wants to bite the bullet to raise them back up. | ||
micronesia
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On April 21 2022 04:52 Zambrah wrote: I honestly wouldnt be shocked to see Republican president and supermajority in Congress for 2024 at this rate tbh. If so, then the GOP will not be willing to give up that power, regardless of the Constitution or anything else. | ||
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NrG.Bamboo
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On April 21 2022 06:52 plasmidghost wrote: Yeah, one of many reasons why I'm fleeing the country. I don't see American democracy lasting past 2024 Seems a bit drastic. Where ya running to? | ||
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Gahlo
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On April 21 2022 08:43 NrG.Bamboo wrote: Seems a bit drastic. Where ya running to? Telling trans people in red states that they're being drastic about their concerns with American democracy is a pretty cold take. On April 21 2022 10:18 JimmiC wrote: Are people in Flordia really willing to deal with all the economic fallout of this ridiculaus culture war? To stick it to Disney for saying their bill is bad how much are they willing to pay? https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/newspolitics/florida-state-senate-passes-bill-that-would-eliminate-walt-disney-worlds-district/ar-AAWqDMY It's not gonna happen, but I want to see how the fallout of this potentially getting ugly enough that Disney peaces out of the state. | ||
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On April 21 2022 10:48 Gahlo wrote: Telling trans people in red states that they're being drastic about their concerns with American democracy is a pretty cold take. It's not gonna happen, but I want to see how the fallout of this potentially getting ugly enough that Disney peaces out of the state. Most of these idiotic culture war bills wont pass the courts. If they do, come on over to Portland, relatively trans friendly enviro. I fail to see many countries better than a few of our states here. People often criticize our country for being racist or what not, but Europe is far far worse generally, and especially so in some African / Asian states. | ||
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On April 20 2022 19:12 gobbledydook wrote: The food division of the FDA has been reported as dysfunctional and failing in keeping up with the various issues related to food safety enforcement and rule making. https://www.politico.com/interactives/2022/fda-fails-regulate-food-health-safety-hazards/ Surely this was a good opportunity for the Biden administration to take the initiative and propose a solution and pass it through Congress. At the very least, those Republicans who oppose the bill could be framed as pro baby poisoning. I'd also like to add that failure to tackle these problems with government just boosts the small-government argument that the federal government can't get anything right so this should just be left to the states or to private companies. | ||
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On April 21 2022 11:45 Husyelt wrote: Most of these idiotic culture war bills wont pass the courts. If they do, come on over to Portland, relatively trans friendly enviro. I fail to see many countries better than a few of our states here. People often criticize our country for being racist or what not, but Europe is far far worse generally, and especially so in some African / Asian states. Where do you get that information? Any source that i can find is that most of western europe is generally less racist than the US, and far more open to LGBTQ+. We also don't have an openly fascist party in control half the time. Plasmidghost has stated that she will be heading to Belgium, which is almost certainly heaps and bounds better than the US in terms of racism, sexism, LGBTQ+ acceptance, general bigotry and labor laws. And yes, maybe some states are currently okay. But how long will that last once republicans take over federal power forever, and not give it up again? Because that seems to be the trajectory for the next decade or so. Hateful fascist grifters ruling on the back of bigoted idiots, with an emphasis on making sure that education produces more bigoted idiots and fewer people with critical thinking skills. If i were living in the US, i would probably also leave, and i am a straight white cis male. There is just so much wrong going on over there. | ||
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On April 21 2022 14:50 gobbledydook wrote: I'd also like to add that failure to tackle these problems with government just boosts the small-government argument that the federal government can't get anything right so this should just be left to the states or to private companies. There is a perverse incentive for Republicans to make claims of government being ineffective and wanting small government. When they get elected and fuck things up they just claim "see we need smaller government! Its not working". Its such a con. | ||
Liquid`Drone
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On April 21 2022 17:27 Simberto wrote: Where do you get that information? Any source that i can find is that most of western europe is generally less racist than the US, and far more open to LGBTQ+. We also don't have an openly fascist party in control half the time. Plasmidghost has stated that she will be heading to Belgium, which is almost certainly heaps and bounds better than the US in terms of racism, sexism, LGBTQ+ acceptance, general bigotry and labor laws. And yes, maybe some states are currently okay. But how long will that last once republicans take over federal power forever, and not give it up again? Because that seems to be the trajectory for the next decade or so. Hateful fascist grifters ruling on the back of bigoted idiots, with an emphasis on making sure that education produces more bigoted idiots and fewer people with critical thinking skills. If i were living in the US, i would probably also leave, and i am a straight white cis male. There is just so much wrong going on over there. He said Europe though, not Western Europe. Tbh, if I were gay, black or trans and I could choose between being placed in a random place in the US or a random place in Europe, I'd probably go with the US for all three groups. If I say Western Europe compared with all of the US, I'll go with Western Europe, but if it's northern+coastal US vs Western Europe, I'd think it's a close call again. The main thing to keep in mind is that neither country/continent is monolithic at all. But I'd rather go with being trans in Texas than in Belarus, I'd pick black anywhere in the US over anywhere east of Germany, and the more progressive parts of the US seem totally fine for gay people. Overall, I think Husyelt's statement is mostly correct - if we're only looking at treatment/acceptance of marginalized groups/minorities, then the most progressive places in the US are just as progressive as the most progressive places in Europe, while the least progressive places in Europe are worse than the least progressive places in the US. | ||
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Liquid`Drone
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Anecdotally I remember meeting an old polish relative of my wife. Upon learning that I was Norwegian, her response was 'aren't there a lot of muslims in Norway', finding the time to spit after saying the word Muslim, as if she had to clean her mouth after saying such a filthy word. I've seen racism in Norway too, but never something quite this blatant / with this type of assumption that I, a random stranger, must certainly feel the same way. Another anecdote was from another time I visited Poland. I landed in Gdansk (a city in north-western Poland), and I was taking a train to get to Bialystok (a city far east), and while waiting for the train, I saw a group I thought looked like a fun bunch and asked them if I could join them in their drinking. Upon learning that I was headed to Bialystok, one of them asked me (somewhat jokingly) 'why are you going there? Are you some sort of white supremacist?' - highlighting that the region is known for having somewhat of a nazi problem. These are just anecdotes of course, but they reinforce a pretty strong impression I have (based around multiple other anecdotes told by multiple other people from many different countries), in that the parts of Europe that used to be considered 'eastern europe' to this day are significantly less accepting of gay/trans people, and that they have significantly fewer black people. (A country like Hungary also passed a controversial law about teaching LGBTQ-related content in schools just last year). For all I know - this is just a quick guess of mine which I have not studied or researched at all, it might be strongly related to to what degree the 68 'revolution' has been impactful in various countries, and that this revolution did not hit the countries east of the iron curtain. For the racism part, it might be more related to how none of the eastern european countries were colonial powers / that they weren't attractive destinations for non-western immigrants and thus that they've simply had much fewer non-western immigrants to make people question (and largely abandon) existing racist beliefs. Anyway, the culture war is alive and well in Europe too, but you might correctly argue that in Europe, the culture war is to a greater degree fought between different countries, while in the US, there's more disagreement within individual states. | ||
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