EPTThis executive order seems pretty nuts. Is Trumps saying Team Liquid (and every other platform provider) has to choose between moderation or being protected from liability? How is that supposed to work?
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Nyxisto
Germany6287 Posts
This executive order seems pretty nuts. Is Trumps saying Team Liquid (and every other platform provider) has to choose between moderation or being protected from liability? How is that supposed to work? | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On May 29 2020 06:07 Nyxisto wrote: On this whole publisher thing, isn't it the case in the US that platforms pretty clearly both under the first amendment have the right to moderate their content as they see fit, as well as protection under 230 from being held liable for user content? This executive order seems pretty nuts. Is Trumps saying Team Liquid (and every other platform provider) has to choose between moderation or being protected from liability? How is that supposed to work? Would be funny to see this make websites without moderation suddenly operate with impunity lmfao | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On May 29 2020 05:48 brian wrote: crazy that this isn’t the first person he’s killed, and after 10 complaints. what a pig. ok to be fair it says he was only involved in the shooting death, reviewing the complaints there are no actual details. i hope more details come out on it, see how many murders committed with a badge one can hide. the article also mentioned he had shot a third person. you would think if you manage to frequently be involved in lethal violence maybe you’d want to take him off the force. but no. oral reprimand and back to work. So long as cops are treated with less punishment, rather than more, this situation will continue forever. We need to treat cops the same way we treat other positions of power. | ||
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Sermokala
United States14208 Posts
This one is just super extra though. MLPS is as bad as the LAPD and has been for a long time. There was even a rampart like scandal with a metro gang strike force. The union head would fit in well with any kkk or neo nazi group. The guy didn't kill someone in a split second mistake or make a poor judgement call. The guy just sat his knee on someones neck in front of a crowd and murdered him with everyone watching. For those that are wondering there is a real potential for stuff to change. There is no way the MLPS union survives the way it is. St. Paul is going to burn tonight and tomarrow the national guard is going to be on the streets. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
On May 29 2020 04:40 farvacola wrote: The uncorroborated draft of Trump’s executive order on social media I’ve seen is basically a textbook demonstration of how to write a patently unconstitutional prior restraint on free speech, so if it turns out to be legit, expect legal fireworks to follow in short order. Think I read something like if that goes through and they can't label/his posts him, then his account would lose it's protected status as well, and they can just ban him. | ||
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puppykiller
United States3137 Posts
My dad has managed a non-profit for the last decade dedicated to ensuring police misconduct is properly prosecuted. I haven't asked him yet if he has any former experience dealing with the cops involved in this case. I saw the video and was pretty disgusted. I wasn't particularly surprised to hear that the officers involved had so many prior complaints. I've often heard my dad lamenting at how unwilling the Minneapolis police department is when it comes to reprimanding officers unfit for service Minneapolis is pretty left leaning and a lot of anarchist/socialist types live around the Uptown area. Most people in my social circle seem to think the rioting is totally justified, though I don't know who is actually participating in it. I don't support it whatsoever. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27343 Posts
On May 29 2020 06:45 puppykiller wrote: I grew up in South Minneapolis in the uptown area where all of the rioting is currently occurring. My parents and many of my friends still live their. Nearly everyone is outraged and my social media is filled with friends posting status updates condemning the Minneapolis Police Department. My dad has managed a non-profit for the last decade dedicated to ensuring police misconduct is properly prosecuted. I haven't asked him yet if he has any former experience dealing with the cops involved in this case. I saw the video and was pretty disgusted. I wasn't particularly surprised to hear that the officers involved had so many prior complaints. I've often heard my dad lamenting at how unwilling the Minneapolis police department is when it comes to reprimanding officers unfit for service Minneapolis is pretty left leaning and a lot of anarchist/socialist types live around the Uptown area. Most people in my social circle seem to think the rioting is totally justified, though I don't know who is actually participating in it. I don't support it whatsoever. I don’t tend to support such things, absolutely understand them though. How successful is your dad’s non-profit in pursuing such things? Intrigued to see some anecdotal experience in this domain, certainly the perception for a good many people is the police can behave with borderline impunity. Correct or incorrect, if that perception takes hold and we have an incident like occurred in Minneapolis riots are what you’re gonna get. | ||
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farvacola
United States18869 Posts
This holistic or order-of-operations approach to criminal justice is a key component of the reforms needed moving forward imo. | ||
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puppykiller
United States3137 Posts
On May 29 2020 06:51 Wombat_NI wrote: I don’t tend to support such things, absolutely understand them though. How successful is your dad’s non-profit in pursuing such things? Intrigued to see some anecdotal experience in this domain, certainly the perception for a good many people is the police can behave with borderline impunity. Correct or incorrect, if that perception takes hold and we have an incident like occurred in Minneapolis riots are what you’re gonna get. Well my dad's organization doesn't handle the actual prosecution. Rather instead it screens clients and then refers them to lawyers who are willing to take their case. The narrative that police can often act out of hand with little repercussion would probably resonate with my Dad but I do think his line of work leads him towards a biased perspective. I don't know a lot of the details of his work but their was a major article that was due to be published on him soon which will probably still be released in a timely fashion since it's relevant to the current unrest. | ||
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ChristianS
United States3304 Posts
The meat of it is that it wants to take away the immunity to civil liability that platforms currently enjoy if/when the administration deems the platform’s moderation politically biased. That immunity to civil liability is what lets Facebook put a textbox in front of you, let you type whatever the hell you want and click a button, and then display it to all your friends without someone at Facebook reviewing it first. Otherwise they’d be risking lawsuits if you typed “Jack Dorsey is a pedophile” and Jack Dorsey decided to sue them for defamation. According to the EO, the FCC is supposed to create rules saying that civil liability immunity is removed if platforms’ moderation isn’t “in good faith”, where not in good faith means the moderation is: (A) deceptive, pretextual, or inconsistent with a provider's terms of service; or (B) taken after failing to provide adequate notice, reasoned explanation, or a meaningful opportunity to be heard; The specifics here depend on what regulations the FCC creates, so the FCC might say “you have to give 48 hours notice, an explanation, and an opportunity for appeal before banning someone,” and if a platform didn’t comply the FCC says they’re supposed to be open to civil liability. What I don’t get, though, is that it’d be up to a court to decide whether they got liability protection from the Communications Decency Act or not, so I’m not sure what the EO or any regulations from the FCC would even do? For fun, let’s use TL as an example. Imagine someone makes an account on TL and uploads, idk, photoshopped nude photos of Nada in the Nada’s Body thread. Nada sues TL for allowing it on the site, but due to TL’s civil liability protection the lawsuit is thrown out. Now suppose Kwark bans xDaunt and says “it’s because you’re conservative, scrub” in the ban explanation. Now Nada can cite that ban in his lawsuit and say “therefore pursuant to this EO and these FCC rulings TL is acting in an editorial capacity and is liable for allowing these photoshopped nudes on their site.” But then it’s up to the court to decide whether that ban means TL is now responsible for anything users post in the same way a newspaper is responsible for what they publish. And it seems like the obvious answer would still be “wtf no.” Since the EO purports to be interpreting or clarifying the Decency Communications Act rather than rewriting it, there wasn’t anything stopping Nada from making that argument before. There’s more but I need to drive home and this post is already too long, so for now: thoughts? | ||
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
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Sermokala
United States14208 Posts
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GreenHorizons
United States24341 Posts
On May 29 2020 11:30 Sermokala wrote: I don't profess this to be entirely true but I've heard a rumor that the cop and the guy who he killed knew each other from working security together at a club. Remarkable they still haven't been arrested. | ||
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danhgianhacai
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GreenHorizons
United States24341 Posts
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On May 29 2020 12:25 GreenHorizons wrote: Protesters have taken over the 3rd precinct police department in Minneapolis I'm so happy. I'm so, so happy. I want every department in Minneapolis to be a pile of rubble. | ||
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ZerOCoolSC2
9064 Posts
On May 29 2020 12:43 Mohdoo wrote: I'm so happy. I'm so, so happy. I want every department in Minneapolis to be a pile of rubble. The city is definitely burning tonight. Watching the NBC YT livestream. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24341 Posts
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Netherlands30548 Posts
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Zambrah
United States7393 Posts
On May 29 2020 13:13 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: Really weird decision to not arrest the officer immediately, giving room for tensions to escalate like this. In a USA where cops regularly kill black people with no consequences that decision doesn't seem that weird, really | ||
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