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On May 19 2020 19:12 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2020 18:33 Gorsameth wrote:On May 19 2020 14:33 CorsairHero wrote:
Trump is taking hydroxychloroquine
Any other elected member of the government doing the same? he says he does* Are you suggesting we can't take the president at his word? /s According to Trump, not only does hydroxychloroquine cure coronavirus, but hcq can be taken preemptively to prevent even getting covid-19 in the first place. So now, just about everyone might as well take hcq, just to be safe... Sigh.
Yes, it was known 15 years ago that chloroquine can inhibit Sars-Coronavirus.This is not new information.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1232869/
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On May 20 2020 09:23 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2020 19:12 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On May 19 2020 18:33 Gorsameth wrote:On May 19 2020 14:33 CorsairHero wrote:
Trump is taking hydroxychloroquine
Any other elected member of the government doing the same? he says he does* Are you suggesting we can't take the president at his word? /s According to Trump, not only does hydroxychloroquine cure coronavirus, but hcq can be taken preemptively to prevent even getting covid-19 in the first place. So now, just about everyone might as well take hcq, just to be safe... Sigh. Yes, it was known 15 years ago that chloroquine can inhibit Sars-Coronavirus.This is not new information. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1232869/
In your eyes, why are hospitals choosing not to use HCQ?
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On May 20 2020 09:23 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2020 19:12 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On May 19 2020 18:33 Gorsameth wrote:On May 19 2020 14:33 CorsairHero wrote:
Trump is taking hydroxychloroquine
Any other elected member of the government doing the same? he says he does* Are you suggesting we can't take the president at his word? /s According to Trump, not only does hydroxychloroquine cure coronavirus, but hcq can be taken preemptively to prevent even getting covid-19 in the first place. So now, just about everyone might as well take hcq, just to be safe... Sigh. Yes, it was known 15 years ago that chloroquine can inhibit Sars-Coronavirus.This is not new information. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1232869/
Medical information from 15 years ago is suspect for a strain that was discovered/came to be last year.
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On May 20 2020 09:45 Gahlo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2020 09:23 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:On May 19 2020 19:12 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On May 19 2020 18:33 Gorsameth wrote:On May 19 2020 14:33 CorsairHero wrote:
Trump is taking hydroxychloroquine
Any other elected member of the government doing the same? he says he does* Are you suggesting we can't take the president at his word? /s According to Trump, not only does hydroxychloroquine cure coronavirus, but hcq can be taken preemptively to prevent even getting covid-19 in the first place. So now, just about everyone might as well take hcq, just to be safe... Sigh. Yes, it was known 15 years ago that chloroquine can inhibit Sars-Coronavirus.This is not new information. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1232869/ Medical information from 15 years ago is suspect for a strain that was discovered/came to be last year.
Yeah lol. There are plenty of differences between those coronaviruses.
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On May 20 2020 10:14 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2020 09:45 Gahlo wrote:On May 20 2020 09:23 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:On May 19 2020 19:12 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On May 19 2020 18:33 Gorsameth wrote:On May 19 2020 14:33 CorsairHero wrote:
Trump is taking hydroxychloroquine
Any other elected member of the government doing the same? he says he does* Are you suggesting we can't take the president at his word? /s According to Trump, not only does hydroxychloroquine cure coronavirus, but hcq can be taken preemptively to prevent even getting covid-19 in the first place. So now, just about everyone might as well take hcq, just to be safe... Sigh. Yes, it was known 15 years ago that chloroquine can inhibit Sars-Coronavirus.This is not new information. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1232869/ Medical information from 15 years ago is suspect for a strain that was discovered/came to be last year. Yeah lol. There are plenty of differences between those coronaviruses.
The study was for SARS Covid-1, to suggest it doesn't work at all for prevention of SARS Covid-2 is premature.Wheres the SARS covid-1 vaccine anyway?
I like how some people think they know better than the White house doctor who prescribed Trump this stuff in the first place.Ever consider the WH doctor is privvy to information the public is not?
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about a well known drug taken regularly by millions? i should hope not.
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On May 20 2020 10:47 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2020 10:14 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On May 20 2020 09:45 Gahlo wrote:On May 20 2020 09:23 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:On May 19 2020 19:12 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On May 19 2020 18:33 Gorsameth wrote:On May 19 2020 14:33 CorsairHero wrote:
Trump is taking hydroxychloroquine
Any other elected member of the government doing the same? he says he does* Are you suggesting we can't take the president at his word? /s According to Trump, not only does hydroxychloroquine cure coronavirus, but hcq can be taken preemptively to prevent even getting covid-19 in the first place. So now, just about everyone might as well take hcq, just to be safe... Sigh. Yes, it was known 15 years ago that chloroquine can inhibit Sars-Coronavirus.This is not new information. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1232869/ Medical information from 15 years ago is suspect for a strain that was discovered/came to be last year. Yeah lol. There are plenty of differences between those coronaviruses. The study was for SARS Covid-1, to suggest it doesn't work at all for prevention of SARS Covid-2 is premature.Wheres the SARS covid-1 vaccine anyway? I like how some people think they know better than the White house doctor who prescribed Trump this stuff in the first place.Ever consider the WH doctor is privvy to information the public is not?
What an absurd idea. What, the NSA’s been conducting top-secret clinical trials? MK Ultra 2.0 is just dosing people with HCQ? I mean fuck, if you think the WH has secret clinical trial data they’re not releasing, why aren’t you pissed at them for keeping this life-saving information under wraps? There are thousands of people dying every day from this thing, if they have good data to prove a cure and they’re withholding it a lot of blood is on their hands.
You don’t have to look at preliminary data about SARS, we have quite a bit of clinical trial data on HCQ against COVID-19 at this point and none of it is very encouraging.
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On May 20 2020 10:52 brian wrote:
about a well known drug taken regularly by millions? i should hope not.
It's safe enough to give to a 'Morbidly obese' mid 70's man though? Interesting.You would have thought otherwise listening to the media fear campaign.
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Is there any evidence that Trump is actually taking the drug? He hasn’t been honest about anything and he’s never admitted to be wrong about anything. Why would he ever backtrack on his claim that this wonderful drug exists? Him saying he takes the drug is no different from him claiming he loves the bible and knows it better than anyone in the world.
Also, it should go without saying that taking any drug for no reason is incredibly stupid. Especially for something like hydroxychloroquine, which has a noted problem of influencing bodily functions.
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On May 20 2020 11:21 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2020 10:52 brian wrote:
about a well known drug taken regularly by millions? i should hope not. It's safe enough to give to a 'Morbidly obese' mid 70's man though? Interesting.You would have thought otherwise listening to the media fear campaign.
Like any medicine, it’s normally administered when the demonstrated benefits outweigh the possible side effects. This isn’t complicated.
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On May 20 2020 10:47 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2020 10:14 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On May 20 2020 09:45 Gahlo wrote:On May 20 2020 09:23 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:On May 19 2020 19:12 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On May 19 2020 18:33 Gorsameth wrote:On May 19 2020 14:33 CorsairHero wrote:
Trump is taking hydroxychloroquine
Any other elected member of the government doing the same? he says he does* Are you suggesting we can't take the president at his word? /s According to Trump, not only does hydroxychloroquine cure coronavirus, but hcq can be taken preemptively to prevent even getting covid-19 in the first place. So now, just about everyone might as well take hcq, just to be safe... Sigh. Yes, it was known 15 years ago that chloroquine can inhibit Sars-Coronavirus.This is not new information. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1232869/ Medical information from 15 years ago is suspect for a strain that was discovered/came to be last year. Yeah lol. There are plenty of differences between those coronaviruses. The study was for SARS Covid-1, to suggest it doesn't work at all for prevention of SARS Covid-2 is premature.Wheres the SARS covid-1 vaccine anyway? I like how some people think they know better than the White house doctor who prescribed Trump this stuff in the first place.Ever consider the WH doctor is privvy to information the public is not?
You have it backwards, because it's a non sequitur. It's premature to assume that a medication for one disease will automatically treat another, different disease. It's not premature to hold off on taking the unverified medication for the latter; that's how the burden of proof works, and that's why the medical community has made it very clear that more research and testing needs to be done before advocating an identical treatment. We've already seen negative consequences from people blindly buying and taking away HCQ from people who actually need it.
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On May 20 2020 11:39 StalkerTL wrote:
Is there any evidence that Trump is actually taking the drug? He hasn’t been honest about anything and he’s never admitted to be wrong about anything. Why would he ever backtrack on his claim that this wonderful drug exists? Him saying he takes the drug is no different from him claiming he loves the bible and knows it better than anyone in the world.
Also, it should go without saying that taking any drug for no reason is incredibly stupid. Especially for something like hydroxychloroquine, which has a noted problem of influencing bodily functions.
Besides his word, I don't think so... and there's no reason to believe what he says, if one cares about the truth. That's not going to stop his followers from believing his promotion of the drug, sadly.
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Your first link is about in vitro activity against SARS. Your second is a news article from March 12th, before most of the clinical data had reported (and before everybody figured out what a charlatan Didier Raoult is).
Derek Lowe writes an excellent blog about the pharma pipeline, and has written several entries about the data on HCQ (most recent one here). TL;DR: several trials have been done. No evidence of quicker recovery, reduced mortality, or prophylactic efficacy. Several studies demonstrate risk of QT elongation, especially with azithromycin.
Edit to your edit: ah yes, that venerable organization, AAPS. Definitely a good cite.
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French research isn't on your side...
"In the first study released Friday, researchers in France monitored 181 patients hospitalised with pneumonia due to Covid-19 and who needed oxygen.
Eighty-four were treated with HCQ and 97 were not.
They found no meaningful difference between the groups for either transfer to intensive care, death within seven days or developing acute respiratory distress syndrome within 10 days.
"Hydroxychloroquine has received worldwide attention as a potential treatment for Covid-19 because of positive results from small studies," said the authors of the research, published in the BMJ journal.
"However, the results of this study do not support its use in patients admitted to hospital with Covid-19 who require oxygen," the authors added."
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.france24.com/en/20200515-studies-see-no-benefit-in-hydroxychloroquine-treatment-for-covid-19-patients
Also, keep in mind that Trump is not only asserting that HCQ can cure coronavirus, but that HCQ can prevent it too. There's no evidence of that.
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Australia itself is planning a trial of the drug as preventative medication by using frontline health care workers as their sample. Link here.
Professor Pellegrini, who is conducting the trial, states that there is no concrete proof that the drug works in an actual human body at preventing or curing this breed of coronavirus. He also notes that current anti-flu medication is pretty ineffective at curing the flu, they’re more effective at prevention. Hydroxychloroquine being an effective cure would make it a large outlier.
He also notes that the sample will be screened for heart and eye issues as the drug can cause catastrophic side effects. So the idea that you can take this drug in an ad hoc fashion is completely bogus, there is a good reason why countries don’t let you self medicate with prescription drugs.
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On May 20 2020 11:52 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2020 10:47 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:On May 20 2020 10:14 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On May 20 2020 09:45 Gahlo wrote:On May 20 2020 09:23 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:On May 19 2020 19:12 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On May 19 2020 18:33 Gorsameth wrote:On May 19 2020 14:33 CorsairHero wrote:
Trump is taking hydroxychloroquine
Any other elected member of the government doing the same? he says he does* Are you suggesting we can't take the president at his word? /s According to Trump, not only does hydroxychloroquine cure coronavirus, but hcq can be taken preemptively to prevent even getting covid-19 in the first place. So now, just about everyone might as well take hcq, just to be safe... Sigh. Yes, it was known 15 years ago that chloroquine can inhibit Sars-Coronavirus.This is not new information. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1232869/ Medical information from 15 years ago is suspect for a strain that was discovered/came to be last year. Yeah lol. There are plenty of differences between those coronaviruses. The study was for SARS Covid-1, to suggest it doesn't work at all for prevention of SARS Covid-2 is premature.Wheres the SARS covid-1 vaccine anyway? I like how some people think they know better than the White house doctor who prescribed Trump this stuff in the first place.Ever consider the WH doctor is privvy to information the public is not? You have it backwards, because it's a non sequitur. It's premature to assume that a medication for one disease will automatically treat another, different disease. It's not premature to hold off on taking the unverified medication for the latter; that's how the burden of proof works, and that's why the medical community has made it very clear that more research and testing needs to be done before advocating an identical treatment. We've already seen negative consequences from people blindly buying and taking away HCQ from people who actually need it.
Thank you. That reversal of the burden of proof made me stop and facepalm.
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On May 20 2020 19:09 Simberto wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2020 11:52 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On May 20 2020 10:47 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:On May 20 2020 10:14 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On May 20 2020 09:45 Gahlo wrote:On May 20 2020 09:23 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:On May 19 2020 19:12 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On May 19 2020 18:33 Gorsameth wrote:On May 19 2020 14:33 CorsairHero wrote:
Trump is taking hydroxychloroquine
Any other elected member of the government doing the same? he says he does* Are you suggesting we can't take the president at his word? /s According to Trump, not only does hydroxychloroquine cure coronavirus, but hcq can be taken preemptively to prevent even getting covid-19 in the first place. So now, just about everyone might as well take hcq, just to be safe... Sigh. Yes, it was known 15 years ago that chloroquine can inhibit Sars-Coronavirus.This is not new information. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1232869/ Medical information from 15 years ago is suspect for a strain that was discovered/came to be last year. Yeah lol. There are plenty of differences between those coronaviruses. The study was for SARS Covid-1, to suggest it doesn't work at all for prevention of SARS Covid-2 is premature.Wheres the SARS covid-1 vaccine anyway? I like how some people think they know better than the White house doctor who prescribed Trump this stuff in the first place.Ever consider the WH doctor is privvy to information the public is not? You have it backwards, because it's a non sequitur. It's premature to assume that a medication for one disease will automatically treat another, different disease. It's not premature to hold off on taking the unverified medication for the latter; that's how the burden of proof works, and that's why the medical community has made it very clear that more research and testing needs to be done before advocating an identical treatment. We've already seen negative consequences from people blindly buying and taking away HCQ from people who actually need it. Thank you. That reversal of the burden of proof made me stop and facepalm.
I'm amazed anyone is willing to die on the "Trump and his Chloroquine" hill.
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