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That anyone thinks Trump runs circles around anything baffles me. I don't see how a rational human mind can think to themselves that the most buffoonish president of all US history (yes, more than the one that got stuck in his damn bath tub because he was fat) is running circles around anything.
Trump dribbles verbal and textual diarrhea from his mouth hole basically at all times, nothing he excretes smells of intention or strategy.
We just happen to live in a world where people are willing to accept the literal bottom of the barrel as president and some awful people were capable of noticing that and using the bumbling circus monkey's shitflinging to their advantage.
Trump is definitely worse than Bush and Obama, we're just blessed that hes such a baby that he can't coherently do or organize anything, whereas Bush and Obama's administrations had the competency to accomplish the bad shit they wanted to do.
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On February 01 2020 08:22 Mohdoo wrote:
I at least take comfort in knowing Republicans all know what is happening. Whether it is enough to make them change their behavior, of course not. But they know this is really sketchy. They know that voting against witnesses is purely a cover up, its just that they support it. And 20 years from now, we will all remember who voted for Trump. People act like they won't be shamed for this once Trump's entire shtick fades.
Americans don't know what is happening. How many people do you know watched the trial? They get all their information from media they consume and it is biased to tell them exactly what they want to hear from their bubble.
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On February 01 2020 11:09 Zambrah wrote:
That anyone thinks Trump runs circles around anything baffles me. I don't see how a rational human mind can think to themselves that the most buffoonish president of all US history (yes, more than the one that got stuck in his damn bath tub because he was fat) is running circles around anything.
Trump dribbles verbal and textual diarrhea from his mouth hole basically at all times, nothing he excretes smells of intention or strategy.
We just happen to live in a world where people are willing to accept the literal bottom of the barrel as president and some awful people were capable of noticing that and using the bumbling circus monkey's shitflinging to their advantage.
Trump is definitely worse than Bush and Obama, we're just blessed that hes such a baby that he can't coherently do or organize anything, whereas Bush and Obama's administrations had the competency to accomplish the bad shit they wanted to do.
Laugh all you want at Trump but he has survived and come out on top in the face of massive, unprecedented (in modern times) efforts to take him down. First in the 2016 election when the establishment and mainstream media threw the sink at him. Then his time in office. Once again, he's about to come out still standing with the Democrats in disarray and him with a riled up and rock solid base.
I don't care too much about his appearances and what he says in public. What mean the most to me are the actual results. and the results are what I've described above. Time and time again he comes out on top. He seems to know what he's doing. My money is on Trump coming out on top again in November.
I dont know what to tell you if you think Trump is worse than Bush and Obama lol. We're talking presidents who plunged us into endless wars, got involved in international situations we had no business being in, poured money into foreign interests, bailed out the big money institutions of America, decimated the working class, encroached on liberty in the name of national security, etc. Again - the results speak for themselves. And while the results are still poor, they are not as devastating as those of the previous crooks.
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On February 01 2020 12:12 BerserkSword wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2020 11:09 Zambrah wrote:
That anyone thinks Trump runs circles around anything baffles me. I don't see how a rational human mind can think to themselves that the most buffoonish president of all US history (yes, more than the one that got stuck in his damn bath tub because he was fat) is running circles around anything.
Trump dribbles verbal and textual diarrhea from his mouth hole basically at all times, nothing he excretes smells of intention or strategy.
We just happen to live in a world where people are willing to accept the literal bottom of the barrel as president and some awful people were capable of noticing that and using the bumbling circus monkey's shitflinging to their advantage.
Trump is definitely worse than Bush and Obama, we're just blessed that hes such a baby that he can't coherently do or organize anything, whereas Bush and Obama's administrations had the competency to accomplish the bad shit they wanted to do. Laugh all you want at Trump but he has survived and come out on top in the face of massive, unprecedented (in modern times) efforts to take him down. First in the 2016 election when the establishment and mainstream media threw the sink at him. Then his time in office. Once again, he's about to come out still standing with the Democrats in disarray and him with a riled up and rock solid base. I don't care too much about his appearances and what he says in public. What mean the most to me are the actual results. and the results are what I've described above. Time and time again he comes out on top. He seems to know what he's doing. My money is on Trump coming out on top again in November.
It's the typical stance, you care about winning but don't even know what you've 'won' . As long as others 'lose' you are happy.
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On February 01 2020 12:12 BerserkSword wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2020 11:09 Zambrah wrote:
That anyone thinks Trump runs circles around anything baffles me. I don't see how a rational human mind can think to themselves that the most buffoonish president of all US history (yes, more than the one that got stuck in his damn bath tub because he was fat) is running circles around anything.
Trump dribbles verbal and textual diarrhea from his mouth hole basically at all times, nothing he excretes smells of intention or strategy.
We just happen to live in a world where people are willing to accept the literal bottom of the barrel as president and some awful people were capable of noticing that and using the bumbling circus monkey's shitflinging to their advantage.
Trump is definitely worse than Bush and Obama, we're just blessed that hes such a baby that he can't coherently do or organize anything, whereas Bush and Obama's administrations had the competency to accomplish the bad shit they wanted to do. Laugh all you want at Trump but he has survived and come out on top in the face of massive, unprecedented (in modern times) efforts to take him down. First in the 2016 election when the establishment and mainstream media threw the sink at him. Then his time in office. Once again, he's about to come out still standing with the Democrats in disarray and him with a riled up and rock solid base. I don't care too much about his appearances and what he says in public. What mean the most to me are the actual results. and the results are what I've described above. Time and time again he comes out on top. He seems to know what he's doing. My money is on Trump coming out on top again in November. I dont know what to tell you if you think Trump is worse than Bush and Obama lol. We're talking presidents who plunged us into endless wars, got involved in international situations we had no business being in, poured money into foreign interests, bailed out the big money institutions of America, decimated the working class, encroached on liberty in the name of national security, etc. Again - the results speak for themselves. And while the results are still poor, they are not as devastating as those of the previous crooks.
Obama didn’t pass TARP, Bush did, but also the loans were paid back with interest. For what it’s worth.
Also your Trump victories are that he’s managed to retain the presidency despite the media calling him corrupt and incompetent. That’s not a victory, it’s not even a refutation of their claims. A victory would be something like getting Germany to pay the US cash for NATO, Mexico paying cash for a wall, China paying $300b/year to rectify a trade deficit (still not clear he knows what a trade deficit is), or any one of the other victories he promised.
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On February 01 2020 12:28 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2020 12:12 BerserkSword wrote:On February 01 2020 11:09 Zambrah wrote:
That anyone thinks Trump runs circles around anything baffles me. I don't see how a rational human mind can think to themselves that the most buffoonish president of all US history (yes, more than the one that got stuck in his damn bath tub because he was fat) is running circles around anything.
Trump dribbles verbal and textual diarrhea from his mouth hole basically at all times, nothing he excretes smells of intention or strategy.
We just happen to live in a world where people are willing to accept the literal bottom of the barrel as president and some awful people were capable of noticing that and using the bumbling circus monkey's shitflinging to their advantage.
Trump is definitely worse than Bush and Obama, we're just blessed that hes such a baby that he can't coherently do or organize anything, whereas Bush and Obama's administrations had the competency to accomplish the bad shit they wanted to do. Laugh all you want at Trump but he has survived and come out on top in the face of massive, unprecedented (in modern times) efforts to take him down. First in the 2016 election when the establishment and mainstream media threw the sink at him. Then his time in office. Once again, he's about to come out still standing with the Democrats in disarray and him with a riled up and rock solid base. I don't care too much about his appearances and what he says in public. What mean the most to me are the actual results. and the results are what I've described above. Time and time again he comes out on top. He seems to know what he's doing. My money is on Trump coming out on top again in November. It's the typical stance, you care about winning but don't even know what you've 'won' . As long as others 'lose' you are happy.
Someone said that he'd like to think Republicans fell into a trap.
I was just stating that it's likely the other way around, considering it's Trump who seems to always come out on top in these scenarios.
On February 01 2020 13:17 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2020 12:12 BerserkSword wrote:On February 01 2020 11:09 Zambrah wrote:
That anyone thinks Trump runs circles around anything baffles me. I don't see how a rational human mind can think to themselves that the most buffoonish president of all US history (yes, more than the one that got stuck in his damn bath tub because he was fat) is running circles around anything.
Trump dribbles verbal and textual diarrhea from his mouth hole basically at all times, nothing he excretes smells of intention or strategy.
We just happen to live in a world where people are willing to accept the literal bottom of the barrel as president and some awful people were capable of noticing that and using the bumbling circus monkey's shitflinging to their advantage.
Trump is definitely worse than Bush and Obama, we're just blessed that hes such a baby that he can't coherently do or organize anything, whereas Bush and Obama's administrations had the competency to accomplish the bad shit they wanted to do. Laugh all you want at Trump but he has survived and come out on top in the face of massive, unprecedented (in modern times) efforts to take him down. First in the 2016 election when the establishment and mainstream media threw the sink at him. Then his time in office. Once again, he's about to come out still standing with the Democrats in disarray and him with a riled up and rock solid base. I don't care too much about his appearances and what he says in public. What mean the most to me are the actual results. and the results are what I've described above. Time and time again he comes out on top. He seems to know what he's doing. My money is on Trump coming out on top again in November. I dont know what to tell you if you think Trump is worse than Bush and Obama lol. We're talking presidents who plunged us into endless wars, got involved in international situations we had no business being in, poured money into foreign interests, bailed out the big money institutions of America, decimated the working class, encroached on liberty in the name of national security, etc. Again - the results speak for themselves. And while the results are still poor, they are not as devastating as those of the previous crooks. Obama didn’t pass TARP, Bush did, but also the loans were paid back with interest. For what it’s worth. Also your Trump victories are that he’s managed to retain the presidency despite the media calling him corrupt and incompetent. That’s not a victory, it’s not even a refutation of their claims. A victory would be something like getting Germany to pay the US cash for NATO, Mexico paying cash for a wall, China paying $300b/year to rectify a trade deficit (still not clear he knows what a trade deficit is), or any one of the other victories he promised.
Yes, bush signed TARP into law, but Obama fought hard for the second TARP bailout which was something like 300-400 billion.
The taxpayers got screwed with TARP. First of all, the "interest" paid back was minuscule. It was below the inflation rate, meaning that accounting for inflation the taxpayers took an L.
Second of all, some of that loan was repaid by....taking loans from other government programs.
Never mind the fact that these kinds of policies show that the government took the stance of bailing out big money institutions for screwing up, leaving the working class high and dry in a time of economic downturn.
TARP is just one component of terrible bush and obama presidencies anyway.
I am not talking about Trump's victories in terms of policies. Trump hasn't kept some very big promises he made to the voters. We know that.
I'm talking about in the struggle to keep him from winning the 2016 election and then the struggle to remove him from office, he's the one who comes out on top, not the Democrats.
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Imagine actually believing that Trump is some kind of mastermind that keeps on winning
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On February 01 2020 14:06 BerserkSword wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2020 12:28 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:On February 01 2020 12:12 BerserkSword wrote:On February 01 2020 11:09 Zambrah wrote:
That anyone thinks Trump runs circles around anything baffles me. I don't see how a rational human mind can think to themselves that the most buffoonish president of all US history (yes, more than the one that got stuck in his damn bath tub because he was fat) is running circles around anything.
Trump dribbles verbal and textual diarrhea from his mouth hole basically at all times, nothing he excretes smells of intention or strategy.
We just happen to live in a world where people are willing to accept the literal bottom of the barrel as president and some awful people were capable of noticing that and using the bumbling circus monkey's shitflinging to their advantage.
Trump is definitely worse than Bush and Obama, we're just blessed that hes such a baby that he can't coherently do or organize anything, whereas Bush and Obama's administrations had the competency to accomplish the bad shit they wanted to do. Laugh all you want at Trump but he has survived and come out on top in the face of massive, unprecedented (in modern times) efforts to take him down. First in the 2016 election when the establishment and mainstream media threw the sink at him. Then his time in office. Once again, he's about to come out still standing with the Democrats in disarray and him with a riled up and rock solid base. I don't care too much about his appearances and what he says in public. What mean the most to me are the actual results. and the results are what I've described above. Time and time again he comes out on top. He seems to know what he's doing. My money is on Trump coming out on top again in November. It's the typical stance, you care about winning but don't even know what you've 'won' . As long as others 'lose' you are happy. Someone said that he'd like to think Republicans fell into a trap. I was just stating that it's likely the other way around, considering it's Trump who seems to always come out on top in these scenarios. Show nested quote +On February 01 2020 13:17 KwarK wrote:On February 01 2020 12:12 BerserkSword wrote:On February 01 2020 11:09 Zambrah wrote:
That anyone thinks Trump runs circles around anything baffles me. I don't see how a rational human mind can think to themselves that the most buffoonish president of all US history (yes, more than the one that got stuck in his damn bath tub because he was fat) is running circles around anything.
Trump dribbles verbal and textual diarrhea from his mouth hole basically at all times, nothing he excretes smells of intention or strategy.
We just happen to live in a world where people are willing to accept the literal bottom of the barrel as president and some awful people were capable of noticing that and using the bumbling circus monkey's shitflinging to their advantage.
Trump is definitely worse than Bush and Obama, we're just blessed that hes such a baby that he can't coherently do or organize anything, whereas Bush and Obama's administrations had the competency to accomplish the bad shit they wanted to do. Laugh all you want at Trump but he has survived and come out on top in the face of massive, unprecedented (in modern times) efforts to take him down. First in the 2016 election when the establishment and mainstream media threw the sink at him. Then his time in office. Once again, he's about to come out still standing with the Democrats in disarray and him with a riled up and rock solid base. I don't care too much about his appearances and what he says in public. What mean the most to me are the actual results. and the results are what I've described above. Time and time again he comes out on top. He seems to know what he's doing. My money is on Trump coming out on top again in November. I dont know what to tell you if you think Trump is worse than Bush and Obama lol. We're talking presidents who plunged us into endless wars, got involved in international situations we had no business being in, poured money into foreign interests, bailed out the big money institutions of America, decimated the working class, encroached on liberty in the name of national security, etc. Again - the results speak for themselves. And while the results are still poor, they are not as devastating as those of the previous crooks. Obama didn’t pass TARP, Bush did, but also the loans were paid back with interest. For what it’s worth. Also your Trump victories are that he’s managed to retain the presidency despite the media calling him corrupt and incompetent. That’s not a victory, it’s not even a refutation of their claims. A victory would be something like getting Germany to pay the US cash for NATO, Mexico paying cash for a wall, China paying $300b/year to rectify a trade deficit (still not clear he knows what a trade deficit is), or any one of the other victories he promised. Yes, bush signed TARP into law, but Obama fought hard for the second TARP bailout which was something like 300-400 billion. The taxpayers got screwed with TARP. First of all, the "interest" paid back was minuscule. It was below the inflation rate, meaning that accounting for inflation the taxpayers took an L. Second of all, some of that loan was repaid by....taking loans from other government programs. Never mind the fact that these kinds of policies show that the government took the stance of bailing out big money institutions for screwing up, leaving the working class high and dry in a time of economic downturn. TARP is just one component of terrible bush and obama presidencies anyway. I am not talking about Trump's victories in terms of policies. Trump hasn't kept some very big promises he made to the voters. We know that. I'm talking about in the struggle to keep him from winning the 2016 election and then the struggle to remove him from office, he's the one who comes out on top, not the Democrats.
The Democrats literally don’t have the senate votes to ever remove Trump and yet somehow this is his victory over their attacks. If Trump was replaced with a literal tub of lard he would be just as resistant to removal from office by the Republican senate and you would be here proclaiming the victories of that tub of lard.
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Is it fair to say that the third-way Democrat strategy to appeal to an amorphous center/reasonable Republican phantom was a multi-decade catastrophic failure yet?
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On February 01 2020 14:14 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2020 14:06 BerserkSword wrote:On February 01 2020 12:28 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:On February 01 2020 12:12 BerserkSword wrote:On February 01 2020 11:09 Zambrah wrote:
That anyone thinks Trump runs circles around anything baffles me. I don't see how a rational human mind can think to themselves that the most buffoonish president of all US history (yes, more than the one that got stuck in his damn bath tub because he was fat) is running circles around anything.
Trump dribbles verbal and textual diarrhea from his mouth hole basically at all times, nothing he excretes smells of intention or strategy.
We just happen to live in a world where people are willing to accept the literal bottom of the barrel as president and some awful people were capable of noticing that and using the bumbling circus monkey's shitflinging to their advantage.
Trump is definitely worse than Bush and Obama, we're just blessed that hes such a baby that he can't coherently do or organize anything, whereas Bush and Obama's administrations had the competency to accomplish the bad shit they wanted to do. Laugh all you want at Trump but he has survived and come out on top in the face of massive, unprecedented (in modern times) efforts to take him down. First in the 2016 election when the establishment and mainstream media threw the sink at him. Then his time in office. Once again, he's about to come out still standing with the Democrats in disarray and him with a riled up and rock solid base. I don't care too much about his appearances and what he says in public. What mean the most to me are the actual results. and the results are what I've described above. Time and time again he comes out on top. He seems to know what he's doing. My money is on Trump coming out on top again in November. It's the typical stance, you care about winning but don't even know what you've 'won' . As long as others 'lose' you are happy. Someone said that he'd like to think Republicans fell into a trap. I was just stating that it's likely the other way around, considering it's Trump who seems to always come out on top in these scenarios. On February 01 2020 13:17 KwarK wrote:On February 01 2020 12:12 BerserkSword wrote:On February 01 2020 11:09 Zambrah wrote:
That anyone thinks Trump runs circles around anything baffles me. I don't see how a rational human mind can think to themselves that the most buffoonish president of all US history (yes, more than the one that got stuck in his damn bath tub because he was fat) is running circles around anything.
Trump dribbles verbal and textual diarrhea from his mouth hole basically at all times, nothing he excretes smells of intention or strategy.
We just happen to live in a world where people are willing to accept the literal bottom of the barrel as president and some awful people were capable of noticing that and using the bumbling circus monkey's shitflinging to their advantage.
Trump is definitely worse than Bush and Obama, we're just blessed that hes such a baby that he can't coherently do or organize anything, whereas Bush and Obama's administrations had the competency to accomplish the bad shit they wanted to do. Laugh all you want at Trump but he has survived and come out on top in the face of massive, unprecedented (in modern times) efforts to take him down. First in the 2016 election when the establishment and mainstream media threw the sink at him. Then his time in office. Once again, he's about to come out still standing with the Democrats in disarray and him with a riled up and rock solid base. I don't care too much about his appearances and what he says in public. What mean the most to me are the actual results. and the results are what I've described above. Time and time again he comes out on top. He seems to know what he's doing. My money is on Trump coming out on top again in November. I dont know what to tell you if you think Trump is worse than Bush and Obama lol. We're talking presidents who plunged us into endless wars, got involved in international situations we had no business being in, poured money into foreign interests, bailed out the big money institutions of America, decimated the working class, encroached on liberty in the name of national security, etc. Again - the results speak for themselves. And while the results are still poor, they are not as devastating as those of the previous crooks. Obama didn’t pass TARP, Bush did, but also the loans were paid back with interest. For what it’s worth. Also your Trump victories are that he’s managed to retain the presidency despite the media calling him corrupt and incompetent. That’s not a victory, it’s not even a refutation of their claims. A victory would be something like getting Germany to pay the US cash for NATO, Mexico paying cash for a wall, China paying $300b/year to rectify a trade deficit (still not clear he knows what a trade deficit is), or any one of the other victories he promised. Yes, bush signed TARP into law, but Obama fought hard for the second TARP bailout which was something like 300-400 billion. The taxpayers got screwed with TARP. First of all, the "interest" paid back was minuscule. It was below the inflation rate, meaning that accounting for inflation the taxpayers took an L. Second of all, some of that loan was repaid by....taking loans from other government programs. Never mind the fact that these kinds of policies show that the government took the stance of bailing out big money institutions for screwing up, leaving the working class high and dry in a time of economic downturn. TARP is just one component of terrible bush and obama presidencies anyway. I am not talking about Trump's victories in terms of policies. Trump hasn't kept some very big promises he made to the voters. We know that. I'm talking about in the struggle to keep him from winning the 2016 election and then the struggle to remove him from office, he's the one who comes out on top, not the Democrats. The Democrats literally don’t have the senate votes to ever remove Trump and yet somehow this is his victory over their attacks. If Trump was replaced with a literal tub of lard he would be just as resistant to removal from office by the Republican senate and you would be here proclaiming the victories of that tub of lard.
Democrats, the establishment, and the mainstream media did everything they could to bring Trump down during the 2016. Didn't work.
Democrats tried again and again to nail Trump with something throughout his presidency. All attempts failed.
Maybe if Democrats were competent enough to make a legitimate impeachment case against Trump, it wouldnt matter how many Democrats there are in the senate. Instead they waste everyone's time with this nonsense we are currently seeing.
You guys can try to spin it however way you want, but Trump is the one coming out on top, not the Democrats.
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On February 01 2020 14:14 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2020 14:06 BerserkSword wrote:On February 01 2020 12:28 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:On February 01 2020 12:12 BerserkSword wrote:On February 01 2020 11:09 Zambrah wrote:
That anyone thinks Trump runs circles around anything baffles me. I don't see how a rational human mind can think to themselves that the most buffoonish president of all US history (yes, more than the one that got stuck in his damn bath tub because he was fat) is running circles around anything.
Trump dribbles verbal and textual diarrhea from his mouth hole basically at all times, nothing he excretes smells of intention or strategy.
We just happen to live in a world where people are willing to accept the literal bottom of the barrel as president and some awful people were capable of noticing that and using the bumbling circus monkey's shitflinging to their advantage.
Trump is definitely worse than Bush and Obama, we're just blessed that hes such a baby that he can't coherently do or organize anything, whereas Bush and Obama's administrations had the competency to accomplish the bad shit they wanted to do. Laugh all you want at Trump but he has survived and come out on top in the face of massive, unprecedented (in modern times) efforts to take him down. First in the 2016 election when the establishment and mainstream media threw the sink at him. Then his time in office. Once again, he's about to come out still standing with the Democrats in disarray and him with a riled up and rock solid base. I don't care too much about his appearances and what he says in public. What mean the most to me are the actual results. and the results are what I've described above. Time and time again he comes out on top. He seems to know what he's doing. My money is on Trump coming out on top again in November. It's the typical stance, you care about winning but don't even know what you've 'won' . As long as others 'lose' you are happy. Someone said that he'd like to think Republicans fell into a trap. I was just stating that it's likely the other way around, considering it's Trump who seems to always come out on top in these scenarios. On February 01 2020 13:17 KwarK wrote:On February 01 2020 12:12 BerserkSword wrote:On February 01 2020 11:09 Zambrah wrote:
That anyone thinks Trump runs circles around anything baffles me. I don't see how a rational human mind can think to themselves that the most buffoonish president of all US history (yes, more than the one that got stuck in his damn bath tub because he was fat) is running circles around anything.
Trump dribbles verbal and textual diarrhea from his mouth hole basically at all times, nothing he excretes smells of intention or strategy.
We just happen to live in a world where people are willing to accept the literal bottom of the barrel as president and some awful people were capable of noticing that and using the bumbling circus monkey's shitflinging to their advantage.
Trump is definitely worse than Bush and Obama, we're just blessed that hes such a baby that he can't coherently do or organize anything, whereas Bush and Obama's administrations had the competency to accomplish the bad shit they wanted to do. Laugh all you want at Trump but he has survived and come out on top in the face of massive, unprecedented (in modern times) efforts to take him down. First in the 2016 election when the establishment and mainstream media threw the sink at him. Then his time in office. Once again, he's about to come out still standing with the Democrats in disarray and him with a riled up and rock solid base. I don't care too much about his appearances and what he says in public. What mean the most to me are the actual results. and the results are what I've described above. Time and time again he comes out on top. He seems to know what he's doing. My money is on Trump coming out on top again in November. I dont know what to tell you if you think Trump is worse than Bush and Obama lol. We're talking presidents who plunged us into endless wars, got involved in international situations we had no business being in, poured money into foreign interests, bailed out the big money institutions of America, decimated the working class, encroached on liberty in the name of national security, etc. Again - the results speak for themselves. And while the results are still poor, they are not as devastating as those of the previous crooks. Obama didn’t pass TARP, Bush did, but also the loans were paid back with interest. For what it’s worth. Also your Trump victories are that he’s managed to retain the presidency despite the media calling him corrupt and incompetent. That’s not a victory, it’s not even a refutation of their claims. A victory would be something like getting Germany to pay the US cash for NATO, Mexico paying cash for a wall, China paying $300b/year to rectify a trade deficit (still not clear he knows what a trade deficit is), or any one of the other victories he promised. Yes, bush signed TARP into law, but Obama fought hard for the second TARP bailout which was something like 300-400 billion. The taxpayers got screwed with TARP. First of all, the "interest" paid back was minuscule. It was below the inflation rate, meaning that accounting for inflation the taxpayers took an L. Second of all, some of that loan was repaid by....taking loans from other government programs. Never mind the fact that these kinds of policies show that the government took the stance of bailing out big money institutions for screwing up, leaving the working class high and dry in a time of economic downturn. TARP is just one component of terrible bush and obama presidencies anyway. I am not talking about Trump's victories in terms of policies. Trump hasn't kept some very big promises he made to the voters. We know that. I'm talking about in the struggle to keep him from winning the 2016 election and then the struggle to remove him from office, he's the one who comes out on top, not the Democrats. The Democrats literally don’t have the senate votes to ever remove Trump and yet somehow this is his victory over their attacks. If Trump was replaced with a literal tub of lard he would be just as resistant to removal from office by the Republican senate and you would be here proclaiming the victories of that tub of lard.
lol... Amazing to see bragging about him "coming out on top" when it means successful obstruction of justice basically. Congrats... definitely what we should aspire to vote in again.
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On February 01 2020 14:40 BerserkSword wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2020 14:14 KwarK wrote:On February 01 2020 14:06 BerserkSword wrote:On February 01 2020 12:28 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:On February 01 2020 12:12 BerserkSword wrote:On February 01 2020 11:09 Zambrah wrote:
That anyone thinks Trump runs circles around anything baffles me. I don't see how a rational human mind can think to themselves that the most buffoonish president of all US history (yes, more than the one that got stuck in his damn bath tub because he was fat) is running circles around anything.
Trump dribbles verbal and textual diarrhea from his mouth hole basically at all times, nothing he excretes smells of intention or strategy.
We just happen to live in a world where people are willing to accept the literal bottom of the barrel as president and some awful people were capable of noticing that and using the bumbling circus monkey's shitflinging to their advantage.
Trump is definitely worse than Bush and Obama, we're just blessed that hes such a baby that he can't coherently do or organize anything, whereas Bush and Obama's administrations had the competency to accomplish the bad shit they wanted to do. Laugh all you want at Trump but he has survived and come out on top in the face of massive, unprecedented (in modern times) efforts to take him down. First in the 2016 election when the establishment and mainstream media threw the sink at him. Then his time in office. Once again, he's about to come out still standing with the Democrats in disarray and him with a riled up and rock solid base. I don't care too much about his appearances and what he says in public. What mean the most to me are the actual results. and the results are what I've described above. Time and time again he comes out on top. He seems to know what he's doing. My money is on Trump coming out on top again in November. It's the typical stance, you care about winning but don't even know what you've 'won' . As long as others 'lose' you are happy. Someone said that he'd like to think Republicans fell into a trap. I was just stating that it's likely the other way around, considering it's Trump who seems to always come out on top in these scenarios. On February 01 2020 13:17 KwarK wrote:On February 01 2020 12:12 BerserkSword wrote:On February 01 2020 11:09 Zambrah wrote:
That anyone thinks Trump runs circles around anything baffles me. I don't see how a rational human mind can think to themselves that the most buffoonish president of all US history (yes, more than the one that got stuck in his damn bath tub because he was fat) is running circles around anything.
Trump dribbles verbal and textual diarrhea from his mouth hole basically at all times, nothing he excretes smells of intention or strategy.
We just happen to live in a world where people are willing to accept the literal bottom of the barrel as president and some awful people were capable of noticing that and using the bumbling circus monkey's shitflinging to their advantage.
Trump is definitely worse than Bush and Obama, we're just blessed that hes such a baby that he can't coherently do or organize anything, whereas Bush and Obama's administrations had the competency to accomplish the bad shit they wanted to do. Laugh all you want at Trump but he has survived and come out on top in the face of massive, unprecedented (in modern times) efforts to take him down. First in the 2016 election when the establishment and mainstream media threw the sink at him. Then his time in office. Once again, he's about to come out still standing with the Democrats in disarray and him with a riled up and rock solid base. I don't care too much about his appearances and what he says in public. What mean the most to me are the actual results. and the results are what I've described above. Time and time again he comes out on top. He seems to know what he's doing. My money is on Trump coming out on top again in November. I dont know what to tell you if you think Trump is worse than Bush and Obama lol. We're talking presidents who plunged us into endless wars, got involved in international situations we had no business being in, poured money into foreign interests, bailed out the big money institutions of America, decimated the working class, encroached on liberty in the name of national security, etc. Again - the results speak for themselves. And while the results are still poor, they are not as devastating as those of the previous crooks. Obama didn’t pass TARP, Bush did, but also the loans were paid back with interest. For what it’s worth. Also your Trump victories are that he’s managed to retain the presidency despite the media calling him corrupt and incompetent. That’s not a victory, it’s not even a refutation of their claims. A victory would be something like getting Germany to pay the US cash for NATO, Mexico paying cash for a wall, China paying $300b/year to rectify a trade deficit (still not clear he knows what a trade deficit is), or any one of the other victories he promised. Yes, bush signed TARP into law, but Obama fought hard for the second TARP bailout which was something like 300-400 billion. The taxpayers got screwed with TARP. First of all, the "interest" paid back was minuscule. It was below the inflation rate, meaning that accounting for inflation the taxpayers took an L. Second of all, some of that loan was repaid by....taking loans from other government programs. Never mind the fact that these kinds of policies show that the government took the stance of bailing out big money institutions for screwing up, leaving the working class high and dry in a time of economic downturn. TARP is just one component of terrible bush and obama presidencies anyway. I am not talking about Trump's victories in terms of policies. Trump hasn't kept some very big promises he made to the voters. We know that. I'm talking about in the struggle to keep him from winning the 2016 election and then the struggle to remove him from office, he's the one who comes out on top, not the Democrats. The Democrats literally don’t have the senate votes to ever remove Trump and yet somehow this is his victory over their attacks. If Trump was replaced with a literal tub of lard he would be just as resistant to removal from office by the Republican senate and you would be here proclaiming the victories of that tub of lard. Democrats, the establishment, and the mainstream media did everything they could to bring Trump down during the 2016. Didn't work. Democrats tried again and again to nail Trump with something throughout his presidency. All attempts failed. Maybe if Democrats were competent enough to make a legitimate impeachment case against Trump, it wouldnt matter how many Democrats there are in the senate. Instead they waste everyone's time with this nonsense we are currently seeing. You guys can try to spin it however way you want, but Trump is the one coming out on top, not the Democrats.
At this point either side's competence doesnt matter because there will always be strict party line votes on this bullshit, Trump could shoot a pregnant christian (not satanic!) mother in the middle of Times Square and the Senate republicans wouldn't remove him from office.
Because in the end what matters to most of America's politicians is power, at any cost, and for any sacrifice.
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On February 01 2020 14:40 BerserkSword wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2020 14:14 KwarK wrote:On February 01 2020 14:06 BerserkSword wrote:On February 01 2020 12:28 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:On February 01 2020 12:12 BerserkSword wrote:On February 01 2020 11:09 Zambrah wrote:
That anyone thinks Trump runs circles around anything baffles me. I don't see how a rational human mind can think to themselves that the most buffoonish president of all US history (yes, more than the one that got stuck in his damn bath tub because he was fat) is running circles around anything.
Trump dribbles verbal and textual diarrhea from his mouth hole basically at all times, nothing he excretes smells of intention or strategy.
We just happen to live in a world where people are willing to accept the literal bottom of the barrel as president and some awful people were capable of noticing that and using the bumbling circus monkey's shitflinging to their advantage.
Trump is definitely worse than Bush and Obama, we're just blessed that hes such a baby that he can't coherently do or organize anything, whereas Bush and Obama's administrations had the competency to accomplish the bad shit they wanted to do. Laugh all you want at Trump but he has survived and come out on top in the face of massive, unprecedented (in modern times) efforts to take him down. First in the 2016 election when the establishment and mainstream media threw the sink at him. Then his time in office. Once again, he's about to come out still standing with the Democrats in disarray and him with a riled up and rock solid base. I don't care too much about his appearances and what he says in public. What mean the most to me are the actual results. and the results are what I've described above. Time and time again he comes out on top. He seems to know what he's doing. My money is on Trump coming out on top again in November. It's the typical stance, you care about winning but don't even know what you've 'won' . As long as others 'lose' you are happy. Someone said that he'd like to think Republicans fell into a trap. I was just stating that it's likely the other way around, considering it's Trump who seems to always come out on top in these scenarios. On February 01 2020 13:17 KwarK wrote:On February 01 2020 12:12 BerserkSword wrote:On February 01 2020 11:09 Zambrah wrote:
That anyone thinks Trump runs circles around anything baffles me. I don't see how a rational human mind can think to themselves that the most buffoonish president of all US history (yes, more than the one that got stuck in his damn bath tub because he was fat) is running circles around anything.
Trump dribbles verbal and textual diarrhea from his mouth hole basically at all times, nothing he excretes smells of intention or strategy.
We just happen to live in a world where people are willing to accept the literal bottom of the barrel as president and some awful people were capable of noticing that and using the bumbling circus monkey's shitflinging to their advantage.
Trump is definitely worse than Bush and Obama, we're just blessed that hes such a baby that he can't coherently do or organize anything, whereas Bush and Obama's administrations had the competency to accomplish the bad shit they wanted to do. Laugh all you want at Trump but he has survived and come out on top in the face of massive, unprecedented (in modern times) efforts to take him down. First in the 2016 election when the establishment and mainstream media threw the sink at him. Then his time in office. Once again, he's about to come out still standing with the Democrats in disarray and him with a riled up and rock solid base. I don't care too much about his appearances and what he says in public. What mean the most to me are the actual results. and the results are what I've described above. Time and time again he comes out on top. He seems to know what he's doing. My money is on Trump coming out on top again in November. I dont know what to tell you if you think Trump is worse than Bush and Obama lol. We're talking presidents who plunged us into endless wars, got involved in international situations we had no business being in, poured money into foreign interests, bailed out the big money institutions of America, decimated the working class, encroached on liberty in the name of national security, etc. Again - the results speak for themselves. And while the results are still poor, they are not as devastating as those of the previous crooks. Obama didn’t pass TARP, Bush did, but also the loans were paid back with interest. For what it’s worth. Also your Trump victories are that he’s managed to retain the presidency despite the media calling him corrupt and incompetent. That’s not a victory, it’s not even a refutation of their claims. A victory would be something like getting Germany to pay the US cash for NATO, Mexico paying cash for a wall, China paying $300b/year to rectify a trade deficit (still not clear he knows what a trade deficit is), or any one of the other victories he promised. Yes, bush signed TARP into law, but Obama fought hard for the second TARP bailout which was something like 300-400 billion. The taxpayers got screwed with TARP. First of all, the "interest" paid back was minuscule. It was below the inflation rate, meaning that accounting for inflation the taxpayers took an L. Second of all, some of that loan was repaid by....taking loans from other government programs. Never mind the fact that these kinds of policies show that the government took the stance of bailing out big money institutions for screwing up, leaving the working class high and dry in a time of economic downturn. TARP is just one component of terrible bush and obama presidencies anyway. I am not talking about Trump's victories in terms of policies. Trump hasn't kept some very big promises he made to the voters. We know that. I'm talking about in the struggle to keep him from winning the 2016 election and then the struggle to remove him from office, he's the one who comes out on top, not the Democrats. The Democrats literally don’t have the senate votes to ever remove Trump and yet somehow this is his victory over their attacks. If Trump was replaced with a literal tub of lard he would be just as resistant to removal from office by the Republican senate and you would be here proclaiming the victories of that tub of lard. Democrats, the establishment, and the mainstream media did everything they could to bring Trump down during the 2016. Didn't work. Democrats tried again and again to nail Trump with something throughout his presidency. All attempts failed. Maybe if Democrats were competent enough to make a legitimate impeachment case against Trump, it wouldnt matter how many Democrats there are in the senate. Instead they waste everyone's time with this nonsense we are currently seeing. You guys can try to spin it however way you want, but Trump is the one coming out on top, not the Democrats.
You arguing against the Democrat’s “illegitimate and incompetent impeachment case” makes it sound like you don’t know that Trump was impeached. You do know that, right? That impeachment and removal from office are different things? That Trump didn’t defeat an impeachment attempt?
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On February 01 2020 14:40 BerserkSword wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2020 14:14 KwarK wrote:On February 01 2020 14:06 BerserkSword wrote:On February 01 2020 12:28 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:On February 01 2020 12:12 BerserkSword wrote:On February 01 2020 11:09 Zambrah wrote:
That anyone thinks Trump runs circles around anything baffles me. I don't see how a rational human mind can think to themselves that the most buffoonish president of all US history (yes, more than the one that got stuck in his damn bath tub because he was fat) is running circles around anything.
Trump dribbles verbal and textual diarrhea from his mouth hole basically at all times, nothing he excretes smells of intention or strategy.
We just happen to live in a world where people are willing to accept the literal bottom of the barrel as president and some awful people were capable of noticing that and using the bumbling circus monkey's shitflinging to their advantage.
Trump is definitely worse than Bush and Obama, we're just blessed that hes such a baby that he can't coherently do or organize anything, whereas Bush and Obama's administrations had the competency to accomplish the bad shit they wanted to do. Laugh all you want at Trump but he has survived and come out on top in the face of massive, unprecedented (in modern times) efforts to take him down. First in the 2016 election when the establishment and mainstream media threw the sink at him. Then his time in office. Once again, he's about to come out still standing with the Democrats in disarray and him with a riled up and rock solid base. I don't care too much about his appearances and what he says in public. What mean the most to me are the actual results. and the results are what I've described above. Time and time again he comes out on top. He seems to know what he's doing. My money is on Trump coming out on top again in November. It's the typical stance, you care about winning but don't even know what you've 'won' . As long as others 'lose' you are happy. Someone said that he'd like to think Republicans fell into a trap. I was just stating that it's likely the other way around, considering it's Trump who seems to always come out on top in these scenarios. On February 01 2020 13:17 KwarK wrote:On February 01 2020 12:12 BerserkSword wrote:On February 01 2020 11:09 Zambrah wrote:
That anyone thinks Trump runs circles around anything baffles me. I don't see how a rational human mind can think to themselves that the most buffoonish president of all US history (yes, more than the one that got stuck in his damn bath tub because he was fat) is running circles around anything.
Trump dribbles verbal and textual diarrhea from his mouth hole basically at all times, nothing he excretes smells of intention or strategy.
We just happen to live in a world where people are willing to accept the literal bottom of the barrel as president and some awful people were capable of noticing that and using the bumbling circus monkey's shitflinging to their advantage.
Trump is definitely worse than Bush and Obama, we're just blessed that hes such a baby that he can't coherently do or organize anything, whereas Bush and Obama's administrations had the competency to accomplish the bad shit they wanted to do. Laugh all you want at Trump but he has survived and come out on top in the face of massive, unprecedented (in modern times) efforts to take him down. First in the 2016 election when the establishment and mainstream media threw the sink at him. Then his time in office. Once again, he's about to come out still standing with the Democrats in disarray and him with a riled up and rock solid base. I don't care too much about his appearances and what he says in public. What mean the most to me are the actual results. and the results are what I've described above. Time and time again he comes out on top. He seems to know what he's doing. My money is on Trump coming out on top again in November. I dont know what to tell you if you think Trump is worse than Bush and Obama lol. We're talking presidents who plunged us into endless wars, got involved in international situations we had no business being in, poured money into foreign interests, bailed out the big money institutions of America, decimated the working class, encroached on liberty in the name of national security, etc. Again - the results speak for themselves. And while the results are still poor, they are not as devastating as those of the previous crooks. Obama didn’t pass TARP, Bush did, but also the loans were paid back with interest. For what it’s worth. Also your Trump victories are that he’s managed to retain the presidency despite the media calling him corrupt and incompetent. That’s not a victory, it’s not even a refutation of their claims. A victory would be something like getting Germany to pay the US cash for NATO, Mexico paying cash for a wall, China paying $300b/year to rectify a trade deficit (still not clear he knows what a trade deficit is), or any one of the other victories he promised. Yes, bush signed TARP into law, but Obama fought hard for the second TARP bailout which was something like 300-400 billion. The taxpayers got screwed with TARP. First of all, the "interest" paid back was minuscule. It was below the inflation rate, meaning that accounting for inflation the taxpayers took an L. Second of all, some of that loan was repaid by....taking loans from other government programs. Never mind the fact that these kinds of policies show that the government took the stance of bailing out big money institutions for screwing up, leaving the working class high and dry in a time of economic downturn. TARP is just one component of terrible bush and obama presidencies anyway. I am not talking about Trump's victories in terms of policies. Trump hasn't kept some very big promises he made to the voters. We know that. I'm talking about in the struggle to keep him from winning the 2016 election and then the struggle to remove him from office, he's the one who comes out on top, not the Democrats. The Democrats literally don’t have the senate votes to ever remove Trump and yet somehow this is his victory over their attacks. If Trump was replaced with a literal tub of lard he would be just as resistant to removal from office by the Republican senate and you would be here proclaiming the victories of that tub of lard. Democrats, the establishment, and the mainstream media did everything they could to bring Trump down during the 2016. Didn't work. Democrats tried again and again to nail Trump with something throughout his presidency. All attempts failed. Maybe if Democrats were competent enough to make a legitimate impeachment case against Trump, it wouldnt matter how many Democrats there are in the senate. Instead they waste everyone's time with this nonsense we are currently seeing. You guys can try to spin it however way you want, but Trump is the one coming out on top, not the Democrats.
It should be obvious that the GOP does not care at all about the actual case. Blocking witnesses from testifying to sabotage the process is indisputable proof. Why can they even do that in the first place?
This will go down as a very sad time for the US democracy, and the case could be analyzed by historians for centuries.
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On February 01 2020 15:17 Zambrah wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2020 14:40 BerserkSword wrote:On February 01 2020 14:14 KwarK wrote:On February 01 2020 14:06 BerserkSword wrote:On February 01 2020 12:28 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:On February 01 2020 12:12 BerserkSword wrote:On February 01 2020 11:09 Zambrah wrote:
That anyone thinks Trump runs circles around anything baffles me. I don't see how a rational human mind can think to themselves that the most buffoonish president of all US history (yes, more than the one that got stuck in his damn bath tub because he was fat) is running circles around anything.
Trump dribbles verbal and textual diarrhea from his mouth hole basically at all times, nothing he excretes smells of intention or strategy.
We just happen to live in a world where people are willing to accept the literal bottom of the barrel as president and some awful people were capable of noticing that and using the bumbling circus monkey's shitflinging to their advantage.
Trump is definitely worse than Bush and Obama, we're just blessed that hes such a baby that he can't coherently do or organize anything, whereas Bush and Obama's administrations had the competency to accomplish the bad shit they wanted to do. Laugh all you want at Trump but he has survived and come out on top in the face of massive, unprecedented (in modern times) efforts to take him down. First in the 2016 election when the establishment and mainstream media threw the sink at him. Then his time in office. Once again, he's about to come out still standing with the Democrats in disarray and him with a riled up and rock solid base. I don't care too much about his appearances and what he says in public. What mean the most to me are the actual results. and the results are what I've described above. Time and time again he comes out on top. He seems to know what he's doing. My money is on Trump coming out on top again in November. It's the typical stance, you care about winning but don't even know what you've 'won' . As long as others 'lose' you are happy. Someone said that he'd like to think Republicans fell into a trap. I was just stating that it's likely the other way around, considering it's Trump who seems to always come out on top in these scenarios. On February 01 2020 13:17 KwarK wrote:On February 01 2020 12:12 BerserkSword wrote:On February 01 2020 11:09 Zambrah wrote:
That anyone thinks Trump runs circles around anything baffles me. I don't see how a rational human mind can think to themselves that the most buffoonish president of all US history (yes, more than the one that got stuck in his damn bath tub because he was fat) is running circles around anything.
Trump dribbles verbal and textual diarrhea from his mouth hole basically at all times, nothing he excretes smells of intention or strategy.
We just happen to live in a world where people are willing to accept the literal bottom of the barrel as president and some awful people were capable of noticing that and using the bumbling circus monkey's shitflinging to their advantage.
Trump is definitely worse than Bush and Obama, we're just blessed that hes such a baby that he can't coherently do or organize anything, whereas Bush and Obama's administrations had the competency to accomplish the bad shit they wanted to do. Laugh all you want at Trump but he has survived and come out on top in the face of massive, unprecedented (in modern times) efforts to take him down. First in the 2016 election when the establishment and mainstream media threw the sink at him. Then his time in office. Once again, he's about to come out still standing with the Democrats in disarray and him with a riled up and rock solid base. I don't care too much about his appearances and what he says in public. What mean the most to me are the actual results. and the results are what I've described above. Time and time again he comes out on top. He seems to know what he's doing. My money is on Trump coming out on top again in November. I dont know what to tell you if you think Trump is worse than Bush and Obama lol. We're talking presidents who plunged us into endless wars, got involved in international situations we had no business being in, poured money into foreign interests, bailed out the big money institutions of America, decimated the working class, encroached on liberty in the name of national security, etc. Again - the results speak for themselves. And while the results are still poor, they are not as devastating as those of the previous crooks. Obama didn’t pass TARP, Bush did, but also the loans were paid back with interest. For what it’s worth. Also your Trump victories are that he’s managed to retain the presidency despite the media calling him corrupt and incompetent. That’s not a victory, it’s not even a refutation of their claims. A victory would be something like getting Germany to pay the US cash for NATO, Mexico paying cash for a wall, China paying $300b/year to rectify a trade deficit (still not clear he knows what a trade deficit is), or any one of the other victories he promised. Yes, bush signed TARP into law, but Obama fought hard for the second TARP bailout which was something like 300-400 billion. The taxpayers got screwed with TARP. First of all, the "interest" paid back was minuscule. It was below the inflation rate, meaning that accounting for inflation the taxpayers took an L. Second of all, some of that loan was repaid by....taking loans from other government programs. Never mind the fact that these kinds of policies show that the government took the stance of bailing out big money institutions for screwing up, leaving the working class high and dry in a time of economic downturn. TARP is just one component of terrible bush and obama presidencies anyway. I am not talking about Trump's victories in terms of policies. Trump hasn't kept some very big promises he made to the voters. We know that. I'm talking about in the struggle to keep him from winning the 2016 election and then the struggle to remove him from office, he's the one who comes out on top, not the Democrats. The Democrats literally don’t have the senate votes to ever remove Trump and yet somehow this is his victory over their attacks. If Trump was replaced with a literal tub of lard he would be just as resistant to removal from office by the Republican senate and you would be here proclaiming the victories of that tub of lard. Democrats, the establishment, and the mainstream media did everything they could to bring Trump down during the 2016. Didn't work. Democrats tried again and again to nail Trump with something throughout his presidency. All attempts failed. Maybe if Democrats were competent enough to make a legitimate impeachment case against Trump, it wouldnt matter how many Democrats there are in the senate. Instead they waste everyone's time with this nonsense we are currently seeing. You guys can try to spin it however way you want, but Trump is the one coming out on top, not the Democrats. At this point either side's competence doesnt matter because there will always be strict party line votes on this bullshit, Trump could shoot a pregnant christian (not satanic!) mother in the middle of Times Square and the Senate republicans wouldn't remove him from office. Because in the end what matters to most of America's politicians is power, at any cost, and for any sacrifice.
The bottom line in this discussion is that the democrats lose ground and Trump gains ground.
To be clear, I was merely replying to the post that said stating that surely Pelosi has a bigger plan or knows something we dont, and was hopeful about Trump falling into a trap.
On February 01 2020 15:32 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2020 14:40 BerserkSword wrote:On February 01 2020 14:14 KwarK wrote:On February 01 2020 14:06 BerserkSword wrote:On February 01 2020 12:28 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:On February 01 2020 12:12 BerserkSword wrote:On February 01 2020 11:09 Zambrah wrote:
That anyone thinks Trump runs circles around anything baffles me. I don't see how a rational human mind can think to themselves that the most buffoonish president of all US history (yes, more than the one that got stuck in his damn bath tub because he was fat) is running circles around anything.
Trump dribbles verbal and textual diarrhea from his mouth hole basically at all times, nothing he excretes smells of intention or strategy.
We just happen to live in a world where people are willing to accept the literal bottom of the barrel as president and some awful people were capable of noticing that and using the bumbling circus monkey's shitflinging to their advantage.
Trump is definitely worse than Bush and Obama, we're just blessed that hes such a baby that he can't coherently do or organize anything, whereas Bush and Obama's administrations had the competency to accomplish the bad shit they wanted to do. Laugh all you want at Trump but he has survived and come out on top in the face of massive, unprecedented (in modern times) efforts to take him down. First in the 2016 election when the establishment and mainstream media threw the sink at him. Then his time in office. Once again, he's about to come out still standing with the Democrats in disarray and him with a riled up and rock solid base. I don't care too much about his appearances and what he says in public. What mean the most to me are the actual results. and the results are what I've described above. Time and time again he comes out on top. He seems to know what he's doing. My money is on Trump coming out on top again in November. It's the typical stance, you care about winning but don't even know what you've 'won' . As long as others 'lose' you are happy. Someone said that he'd like to think Republicans fell into a trap. I was just stating that it's likely the other way around, considering it's Trump who seems to always come out on top in these scenarios. On February 01 2020 13:17 KwarK wrote:On February 01 2020 12:12 BerserkSword wrote:On February 01 2020 11:09 Zambrah wrote:
That anyone thinks Trump runs circles around anything baffles me. I don't see how a rational human mind can think to themselves that the most buffoonish president of all US history (yes, more than the one that got stuck in his damn bath tub because he was fat) is running circles around anything.
Trump dribbles verbal and textual diarrhea from his mouth hole basically at all times, nothing he excretes smells of intention or strategy.
We just happen to live in a world where people are willing to accept the literal bottom of the barrel as president and some awful people were capable of noticing that and using the bumbling circus monkey's shitflinging to their advantage.
Trump is definitely worse than Bush and Obama, we're just blessed that hes such a baby that he can't coherently do or organize anything, whereas Bush and Obama's administrations had the competency to accomplish the bad shit they wanted to do. Laugh all you want at Trump but he has survived and come out on top in the face of massive, unprecedented (in modern times) efforts to take him down. First in the 2016 election when the establishment and mainstream media threw the sink at him. Then his time in office. Once again, he's about to come out still standing with the Democrats in disarray and him with a riled up and rock solid base. I don't care too much about his appearances and what he says in public. What mean the most to me are the actual results. and the results are what I've described above. Time and time again he comes out on top. He seems to know what he's doing. My money is on Trump coming out on top again in November. I dont know what to tell you if you think Trump is worse than Bush and Obama lol. We're talking presidents who plunged us into endless wars, got involved in international situations we had no business being in, poured money into foreign interests, bailed out the big money institutions of America, decimated the working class, encroached on liberty in the name of national security, etc. Again - the results speak for themselves. And while the results are still poor, they are not as devastating as those of the previous crooks. Obama didn’t pass TARP, Bush did, but also the loans were paid back with interest. For what it’s worth. Also your Trump victories are that he’s managed to retain the presidency despite the media calling him corrupt and incompetent. That’s not a victory, it’s not even a refutation of their claims. A victory would be something like getting Germany to pay the US cash for NATO, Mexico paying cash for a wall, China paying $300b/year to rectify a trade deficit (still not clear he knows what a trade deficit is), or any one of the other victories he promised. Yes, bush signed TARP into law, but Obama fought hard for the second TARP bailout which was something like 300-400 billion. The taxpayers got screwed with TARP. First of all, the "interest" paid back was minuscule. It was below the inflation rate, meaning that accounting for inflation the taxpayers took an L. Second of all, some of that loan was repaid by....taking loans from other government programs. Never mind the fact that these kinds of policies show that the government took the stance of bailing out big money institutions for screwing up, leaving the working class high and dry in a time of economic downturn. TARP is just one component of terrible bush and obama presidencies anyway. I am not talking about Trump's victories in terms of policies. Trump hasn't kept some very big promises he made to the voters. We know that. I'm talking about in the struggle to keep him from winning the 2016 election and then the struggle to remove him from office, he's the one who comes out on top, not the Democrats. The Democrats literally don’t have the senate votes to ever remove Trump and yet somehow this is his victory over their attacks. If Trump was replaced with a literal tub of lard he would be just as resistant to removal from office by the Republican senate and you would be here proclaiming the victories of that tub of lard. Democrats, the establishment, and the mainstream media did everything they could to bring Trump down during the 2016. Didn't work. Democrats tried again and again to nail Trump with something throughout his presidency. All attempts failed. Maybe if Democrats were competent enough to make a legitimate impeachment case against Trump, it wouldnt matter how many Democrats there are in the senate. Instead they waste everyone's time with this nonsense we are currently seeing. You guys can try to spin it however way you want, but Trump is the one coming out on top, not the Democrats. You arguing against the Democrat’s “illegitimate and incompetent impeachment case” makes it sound like you don’t know that Trump was impeached. You do know that, right? That impeachment and removal from office are different things? That Trump didn’t defeat an impeachment attempt?
I know he was impeached....lol
I said the impeachment case was not legitimate. The House presents a case, an impeachment case, against the president.
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Just to put my post about Taiwan in the right light. I am not advocating for Taiwan to be assimilated, and I am not saying China has a right to it. All I am saying is, every country would do the same. Taiwan was colonized in the 17th century and belonged to China until 1895. It is now a different nation because the loses of the Civil War fled there and were able to hold it. Imagine the states losing the state of New York that way to a socialist and being like, we don't mind people's republic of America is a valid nation now. China is being demonized for imperialism because it is not a white western nation first, because they are not the states second and because they are a dictatorship third. I don't condemn imperialism but acting like China is somehow exceptionally bad in this regard and should be compared to nazi Germany is not true.
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On February 01 2020 15:49 BerserkSword wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2020 15:17 Zambrah wrote:On February 01 2020 14:40 BerserkSword wrote:On February 01 2020 14:14 KwarK wrote:On February 01 2020 14:06 BerserkSword wrote:On February 01 2020 12:28 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:On February 01 2020 12:12 BerserkSword wrote:On February 01 2020 11:09 Zambrah wrote:
That anyone thinks Trump runs circles around anything baffles me. I don't see how a rational human mind can think to themselves that the most buffoonish president of all US history (yes, more than the one that got stuck in his damn bath tub because he was fat) is running circles around anything.
Trump dribbles verbal and textual diarrhea from his mouth hole basically at all times, nothing he excretes smells of intention or strategy.
We just happen to live in a world where people are willing to accept the literal bottom of the barrel as president and some awful people were capable of noticing that and using the bumbling circus monkey's shitflinging to their advantage.
Trump is definitely worse than Bush and Obama, we're just blessed that hes such a baby that he can't coherently do or organize anything, whereas Bush and Obama's administrations had the competency to accomplish the bad shit they wanted to do. Laugh all you want at Trump but he has survived and come out on top in the face of massive, unprecedented (in modern times) efforts to take him down. First in the 2016 election when the establishment and mainstream media threw the sink at him. Then his time in office. Once again, he's about to come out still standing with the Democrats in disarray and him with a riled up and rock solid base. I don't care too much about his appearances and what he says in public. What mean the most to me are the actual results. and the results are what I've described above. Time and time again he comes out on top. He seems to know what he's doing. My money is on Trump coming out on top again in November. It's the typical stance, you care about winning but don't even know what you've 'won' . As long as others 'lose' you are happy. Someone said that he'd like to think Republicans fell into a trap. I was just stating that it's likely the other way around, considering it's Trump who seems to always come out on top in these scenarios. On February 01 2020 13:17 KwarK wrote:On February 01 2020 12:12 BerserkSword wrote:On February 01 2020 11:09 Zambrah wrote:
That anyone thinks Trump runs circles around anything baffles me. I don't see how a rational human mind can think to themselves that the most buffoonish president of all US history (yes, more than the one that got stuck in his damn bath tub because he was fat) is running circles around anything.
Trump dribbles verbal and textual diarrhea from his mouth hole basically at all times, nothing he excretes smells of intention or strategy.
We just happen to live in a world where people are willing to accept the literal bottom of the barrel as president and some awful people were capable of noticing that and using the bumbling circus monkey's shitflinging to their advantage.
Trump is definitely worse than Bush and Obama, we're just blessed that hes such a baby that he can't coherently do or organize anything, whereas Bush and Obama's administrations had the competency to accomplish the bad shit they wanted to do. Laugh all you want at Trump but he has survived and come out on top in the face of massive, unprecedented (in modern times) efforts to take him down. First in the 2016 election when the establishment and mainstream media threw the sink at him. Then his time in office. Once again, he's about to come out still standing with the Democrats in disarray and him with a riled up and rock solid base. I don't care too much about his appearances and what he says in public. What mean the most to me are the actual results. and the results are what I've described above. Time and time again he comes out on top. He seems to know what he's doing. My money is on Trump coming out on top again in November. I dont know what to tell you if you think Trump is worse than Bush and Obama lol. We're talking presidents who plunged us into endless wars, got involved in international situations we had no business being in, poured money into foreign interests, bailed out the big money institutions of America, decimated the working class, encroached on liberty in the name of national security, etc. Again - the results speak for themselves. And while the results are still poor, they are not as devastating as those of the previous crooks. Obama didn’t pass TARP, Bush did, but also the loans were paid back with interest. For what it’s worth. Also your Trump victories are that he’s managed to retain the presidency despite the media calling him corrupt and incompetent. That’s not a victory, it’s not even a refutation of their claims. A victory would be something like getting Germany to pay the US cash for NATO, Mexico paying cash for a wall, China paying $300b/year to rectify a trade deficit (still not clear he knows what a trade deficit is), or any one of the other victories he promised. Yes, bush signed TARP into law, but Obama fought hard for the second TARP bailout which was something like 300-400 billion. The taxpayers got screwed with TARP. First of all, the "interest" paid back was minuscule. It was below the inflation rate, meaning that accounting for inflation the taxpayers took an L. Second of all, some of that loan was repaid by....taking loans from other government programs. Never mind the fact that these kinds of policies show that the government took the stance of bailing out big money institutions for screwing up, leaving the working class high and dry in a time of economic downturn. TARP is just one component of terrible bush and obama presidencies anyway. I am not talking about Trump's victories in terms of policies. Trump hasn't kept some very big promises he made to the voters. We know that. I'm talking about in the struggle to keep him from winning the 2016 election and then the struggle to remove him from office, he's the one who comes out on top, not the Democrats. The Democrats literally don’t have the senate votes to ever remove Trump and yet somehow this is his victory over their attacks. If Trump was replaced with a literal tub of lard he would be just as resistant to removal from office by the Republican senate and you would be here proclaiming the victories of that tub of lard. Democrats, the establishment, and the mainstream media did everything they could to bring Trump down during the 2016. Didn't work. Democrats tried again and again to nail Trump with something throughout his presidency. All attempts failed. Maybe if Democrats were competent enough to make a legitimate impeachment case against Trump, it wouldnt matter how many Democrats there are in the senate. Instead they waste everyone's time with this nonsense we are currently seeing. You guys can try to spin it however way you want, but Trump is the one coming out on top, not the Democrats. At this point either side's competence doesnt matter because there will always be strict party line votes on this bullshit, Trump could shoot a pregnant christian (not satanic!) mother in the middle of Times Square and the Senate republicans wouldn't remove him from office. Because in the end what matters to most of America's politicians is power, at any cost, and for any sacrifice. The bottom line in this discussion is that the democrats lose ground and Trump gains ground. To be clear, I was merely replying to the post that said stating that surely Pelosi has a bigger plan or knows something we dont, and was hopeful about Trump falling into a trap. Show nested quote +On February 01 2020 15:32 KwarK wrote:On February 01 2020 14:40 BerserkSword wrote:On February 01 2020 14:14 KwarK wrote:On February 01 2020 14:06 BerserkSword wrote:On February 01 2020 12:28 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:On February 01 2020 12:12 BerserkSword wrote:On February 01 2020 11:09 Zambrah wrote:
That anyone thinks Trump runs circles around anything baffles me. I don't see how a rational human mind can think to themselves that the most buffoonish president of all US history (yes, more than the one that got stuck in his damn bath tub because he was fat) is running circles around anything.
Trump dribbles verbal and textual diarrhea from his mouth hole basically at all times, nothing he excretes smells of intention or strategy.
We just happen to live in a world where people are willing to accept the literal bottom of the barrel as president and some awful people were capable of noticing that and using the bumbling circus monkey's shitflinging to their advantage.
Trump is definitely worse than Bush and Obama, we're just blessed that hes such a baby that he can't coherently do or organize anything, whereas Bush and Obama's administrations had the competency to accomplish the bad shit they wanted to do. Laugh all you want at Trump but he has survived and come out on top in the face of massive, unprecedented (in modern times) efforts to take him down. First in the 2016 election when the establishment and mainstream media threw the sink at him. Then his time in office. Once again, he's about to come out still standing with the Democrats in disarray and him with a riled up and rock solid base. I don't care too much about his appearances and what he says in public. What mean the most to me are the actual results. and the results are what I've described above. Time and time again he comes out on top. He seems to know what he's doing. My money is on Trump coming out on top again in November. It's the typical stance, you care about winning but don't even know what you've 'won' . As long as others 'lose' you are happy. Someone said that he'd like to think Republicans fell into a trap. I was just stating that it's likely the other way around, considering it's Trump who seems to always come out on top in these scenarios. On February 01 2020 13:17 KwarK wrote:On February 01 2020 12:12 BerserkSword wrote:On February 01 2020 11:09 Zambrah wrote:
That anyone thinks Trump runs circles around anything baffles me. I don't see how a rational human mind can think to themselves that the most buffoonish president of all US history (yes, more than the one that got stuck in his damn bath tub because he was fat) is running circles around anything.
Trump dribbles verbal and textual diarrhea from his mouth hole basically at all times, nothing he excretes smells of intention or strategy.
We just happen to live in a world where people are willing to accept the literal bottom of the barrel as president and some awful people were capable of noticing that and using the bumbling circus monkey's shitflinging to their advantage.
Trump is definitely worse than Bush and Obama, we're just blessed that hes such a baby that he can't coherently do or organize anything, whereas Bush and Obama's administrations had the competency to accomplish the bad shit they wanted to do. Laugh all you want at Trump but he has survived and come out on top in the face of massive, unprecedented (in modern times) efforts to take him down. First in the 2016 election when the establishment and mainstream media threw the sink at him. Then his time in office. Once again, he's about to come out still standing with the Democrats in disarray and him with a riled up and rock solid base. I don't care too much about his appearances and what he says in public. What mean the most to me are the actual results. and the results are what I've described above. Time and time again he comes out on top. He seems to know what he's doing. My money is on Trump coming out on top again in November. I dont know what to tell you if you think Trump is worse than Bush and Obama lol. We're talking presidents who plunged us into endless wars, got involved in international situations we had no business being in, poured money into foreign interests, bailed out the big money institutions of America, decimated the working class, encroached on liberty in the name of national security, etc. Again - the results speak for themselves. And while the results are still poor, they are not as devastating as those of the previous crooks. Obama didn’t pass TARP, Bush did, but also the loans were paid back with interest. For what it’s worth. Also your Trump victories are that he’s managed to retain the presidency despite the media calling him corrupt and incompetent. That’s not a victory, it’s not even a refutation of their claims. A victory would be something like getting Germany to pay the US cash for NATO, Mexico paying cash for a wall, China paying $300b/year to rectify a trade deficit (still not clear he knows what a trade deficit is), or any one of the other victories he promised. Yes, bush signed TARP into law, but Obama fought hard for the second TARP bailout which was something like 300-400 billion. The taxpayers got screwed with TARP. First of all, the "interest" paid back was minuscule. It was below the inflation rate, meaning that accounting for inflation the taxpayers took an L. Second of all, some of that loan was repaid by....taking loans from other government programs. Never mind the fact that these kinds of policies show that the government took the stance of bailing out big money institutions for screwing up, leaving the working class high and dry in a time of economic downturn. TARP is just one component of terrible bush and obama presidencies anyway. I am not talking about Trump's victories in terms of policies. Trump hasn't kept some very big promises he made to the voters. We know that. I'm talking about in the struggle to keep him from winning the 2016 election and then the struggle to remove him from office, he's the one who comes out on top, not the Democrats. The Democrats literally don’t have the senate votes to ever remove Trump and yet somehow this is his victory over their attacks. If Trump was replaced with a literal tub of lard he would be just as resistant to removal from office by the Republican senate and you would be here proclaiming the victories of that tub of lard. Democrats, the establishment, and the mainstream media did everything they could to bring Trump down during the 2016. Didn't work. Democrats tried again and again to nail Trump with something throughout his presidency. All attempts failed. Maybe if Democrats were competent enough to make a legitimate impeachment case against Trump, it wouldnt matter how many Democrats there are in the senate. Instead they waste everyone's time with this nonsense we are currently seeing. You guys can try to spin it however way you want, but Trump is the one coming out on top, not the Democrats. You arguing against the Democrat’s “illegitimate and incompetent impeachment case” makes it sound like you don’t know that Trump was impeached. You do know that, right? That impeachment and removal from office are different things? That Trump didn’t defeat an impeachment attempt? I know he was impeached....lol I said the impeachment case was not legitimate. The House presents a case, an impeachment case, against the president.
Is this a troll?
We support Trump, no matter what he says or does, because he has our support. Oh and also fuck dems. It's entirely devoid of sense.
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On February 01 2020 14:32 GreenHorizons wrote:
Is it fair to say that the third-way Democrat strategy to appeal to an amorphous center/reasonable Republican phantom was a multi-decade catastrophic failure yet?
Catastrophic failure perfectly describes democrat attempts to unseat Trump over the past 4 1/2 years since he became Republican nominee.
It was getting old 4 years ago.
Blind Freddy saw this one coming.
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It's pretty simple. As long as there are 50 republican senators, it is impossible to unseat Trump. That is your system. Doesn't mean that one should not still try to defend democratic values against the autocratic bullshit the republican government is doing.
You should really think beyond "We won!" to what it is that you won. You won the ability to shift the US further towards autocracy, further away from democracy, further away from checks and balances and the rule of law.
So, congratulations on that victory?
Think about what it is that you actually want. It really shouldn't be only "win against democrats". Anyone who is in favor of a society build upon democracy, the rule of law and checks and balances should be horrified at what the republicans are currently doing, and apparently able to do in your system. You should not be happy about this. No one should, no matter where you place yourself on the political spectrum.
Think for a second beyond the immediate gratification of winning in your tribal battle. Imagine if it were a democratic president you are talking about if that helps you. Would you be happy with a democratic president using the power of office to try to force a foreign nation into finding dirt on his republican opponents? Would you be happy with a democratic president completely refusing to cooperate with the investigation in that matter? Would you be happy with a democratic president doing...any of the stuff that Trump does on a daily basis?
I thought republicans were supposed to be that party of values, checks and balances, small government and so forth. None of what Trump does seems to fit into that in the slightest. At this point, it seems as if the main value that republicans stand for are cynical power politics, winning against democrats no matter the topic or costs, and blind authoritarianism.
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On February 01 2020 22:23 Simberto wrote:
You should really think beyond "We won!" to what it is that you won. You won the ability to shift the US further towards autocracy, further away from democracy, further away from checks and balances and the rule of law.
So, congratulations on that victory?
Exactly the same thing happened to Clinton 20 years ago.Friendly Senate acquittal in impeachment trial.
So how are todays events shifting things towards autocracy exactly? The bias is coming from you my friend.
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