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farvacola
United States18818 Posts
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Mohdoo
United States15398 Posts
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micronesia
United States24578 Posts
I'm not even a registered democrat. | ||
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Nouar
France3270 Posts
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Mohdoo
United States15398 Posts
On February 01 2020 08:26 Nouar wrote: I take 0 comfort in knowing that nearly half of the voting population of the most powerful country on the planet is blind and doesn't care if it gets grifted and swindled. That their elected officials know this and bank on it makes it worse. 70% of those polled said they wanted witnesses. The issue is that 50% of the country will see that the senate decided against it, their weird obsession with authority kicks in, and suddenly none of them will support witnesses, retroactively. That's what happens when your main base is rural voters. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States22716 Posts
On February 01 2020 07:52 Nouar wrote: Or wednesday, because Iowa caucuses to piss dems Yup, Monday closing arguments and Wednesday vote. Not sure what is going to happen with the SOTU? | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15398 Posts
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Womwomwom
5930 Posts
On February 01 2020 08:26 Nouar wrote: I take 0 comfort in knowing that nearly half of the voting population of the most powerful country on the planet is blind and doesn't care if it gets grifted and swindled. That their elected officials know this and bank on it makes it worse. A good number of the country, even people in this very thread, have pretty much admitted that the most important thing is stacking the courts. They’re also always the same people hammering on about the USA being run on rule of law. They’re getting a large chunk of what they want, they’re not really getting grifted or swindled in this case. And if they are, it’s a decent enough trade. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States22716 Posts
On February 01 2020 09:20 Womwomwom wrote: A good number of the country, even people in this very thread, have pretty much admitted that the most important thing is stacking the courts. They’re also always the same people hammering on about the USA being run on rule of law. They’re getting a large chunk of what they want, they’re not really getting grifted or swindled in this case. And if they are, it’s a decent enough trade. The people that got grifted were the ones thinking this wasn't a sham all along or hoping for some cynical political advantage out of it imo. I mean Democrats donated almost a million dollars to some FBI guy and Michael Cohen of all people. | ||
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Simberto
Germany11335 Posts
On February 01 2020 08:22 Mohdoo wrote: I at least take comfort in knowing Republicans all know what is happening. Whether it is enough to make them change their behavior, of course not. But they know this is really sketchy. They know that voting against witnesses is purely a cover up, its just that they support it. And 20 years from now, we will all remember who voted for Trump. People act like they won't be shamed for this once Trump's entire shtick fades. I am not certain about that. The people who scammed the world into the Iraq war (WMD!!!) pretty much got away with it, and it doesn't look as if any of them will be held responsible for it, ever. And that is nearly 20 years ago now. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States22716 Posts
On February 01 2020 09:29 Simberto wrote: I am not certain about that. The people who scammed the world into the Iraq war (WMD!!!) pretty much got away with it, and it doesn't look as if any of them will be held responsible for it, ever. And that is nearly 20 years ago now. One of them literally has a show on MSNBC and the Obama's and Bush's are friends. That ship has sailed. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland23843 Posts
On February 01 2020 09:34 GreenHorizons wrote: One of them literally has a show on MSNBC and the Obama's and Bush's are friends. That ship has sailed. Bit sickening really ain’t it? | ||
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HelpMeGetBetter
United States763 Posts
On February 01 2020 08:26 Nouar wrote: I take 0 comfort in knowing that nearly half of the voting population of the most powerful country on the planet is blind and doesn't care if it gets grifted and swindled. That their elected officials know this and bank on it makes it worse. I don't understand people who say we just need to vote them out. What makes them think Trump/GOP will now allow a fair election? What makes them think Trump will leave office even with a "blue wave". My bet is they will try to cancel the election citing some election security issue, or that democrats can't be trust or some bullshit. I mean whats stopping them from changing vote totals at this point? | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland23843 Posts
On February 01 2020 09:38 HelpMeGetBetter wrote: I don't understand people who say we just need to vote them out. What makes them think Trump/GOP will now allow a fair election? What makes them think Trump will leave office even with a "blue wave". My bet is they will try to cancel the election citing some election security issue, or that democrats can't be trust or some bullshit. I mean whats stopping them from changing vote totals at this point? Trump and his underlings are basically stopping that. I would assume hardcore voting fraud requires a large amount of planning, a tight ship and general competence to pull off. | ||
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Slydie
1898 Posts
Using foreign Intel in campaigns and blackmailing foreign coutries to investigate opponents is obviously ok. What about: -Using the police to break up rallies of political opponents? -Using fake intelligence to damage political opponents? -Arresting journalists and political opponents for fake reasons? -Is there a limit to how much he can abuse his power for financial gain for himself and his family? I have been very disappointed of the state of US politics for a very long time, but that the GOP is so committed to defending Trump now makes me pretty scared. I wonder if we are past the point of no return, and it will not be pleasent to watch how much further the US democracy be dragged down the drain. | ||
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HelpMeGetBetter
United States763 Posts
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Gahlo
United States35091 Posts
On February 01 2020 09:53 HelpMeGetBetter wrote: The fact that Trump will be officially acquitted the day after the SOTU, makes me wonder if Pelosi knows something we don't. I find it hard to believe she allowed this trial to go forward without some backup plan or knowing what's ahead in the very near future. I want to believe the GOP walked into a trap with this trial. It's too obvious of an outcome, like there's gotta be a catch somewhere that hasn't been revealed yet. Only thing I can think of is being able to go "We tried to get rid of him the way we can, it's up to you to take him out." to the voters. | ||
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Belisarius
Australia6218 Posts
On February 01 2020 09:43 Slydie wrote: I just have to wonder: How far can Trump go before GOP will stop backing him up? What about his voter base? Using foreign Intel in campaigns and blackmailing foreign coutries to investigate opponents is obviously ok. What about: -Using the police to break up rallies of political opponents? -Using fake intelligence to damage political opponents? -Arresting journalists and political opponents for fake reasons? -Is there a limit to how much he can abuse his power for financial gain for himself and his family? All of those things are now fine. Trump and McConnell have jammed a crowbar into a gap that has been there since the beginning, and the world is about to suffer the consequences. US democracy is built on separation of powers, but the courts are appointed by the powers they are intended to be separate from, and the executive, the congress and the state bodies are elected by the same public via more or less the same process. Impeachment is really just a mechanism to expedite the removal of a president who would lose the next election anyway. This has always been the case, but is now out in the open for all to see. As long as public opinion via the ballot box doesnt shift, the executive will not be held to account. Since the path is now clear for outright electoral fraud, public opinion is obsolete and the executive cannot be held to account. The Reichstag, ladies and gentlemen, has burned down. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States22716 Posts
On February 01 2020 10:06 Gahlo wrote: Only thing I can think of is being able to go "We tried to get rid of him the way we can, it's up to you to take him out." to the voters. Meanwhile the DNC and corporate media continue to try to stop Bernie/prop up 'anyone but Bernie' as an option. Can't imagine how fubar it would be right now without at least that slight glimmer Sanders offers on the horizon. No one thinks that Warren (let alone Biden) supporters would forcibly remove a tyrannical Trump from power (after a bogus election) | ||
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BerserkSword
United States2123 Posts
On February 01 2020 09:53 HelpMeGetBetter wrote: The fact that Trump will be officially acquitted the day after the SOTU, makes me wonder if Pelosi knows something we don't. I find it hard to believe she allowed this trial to go forward without some backup plan or knowing what's ahead in the very near future. I want to believe the GOP walked into a trap with this trial. It's too obvious of an outcome, like there's gotta be a catch somewhere that hasn't been revealed yet. Are you kidding me lol. If anyone walked into a trap it was the Democrats, particularly the brass/establishment dems. My guess is that Pelosi was fed poor intel and many of the left wanted Trump's head on a pike, figuratively speaking of course. Despite her being a talented politician, she was stuck between a rock and a hard place. There are fractures within the party and among the base, and it's showing even now in the dem primaries. Trump has been running circles around the Dems the whole time ever since he beat the supposed juggernaut in Hillary. The dems are basically throwing everything at the wall and hoping SOMETHING sticks. They've been screaming impeachment basically he came into office... This whole impeachment saga was a disaster for the dems. You knew what was going to happen when Giulliani was overjoyed at what he said was the Democrats falling into a trap. The way things look to me - the Democrats are in shambles. My prediction is that Trump will eviscerate whoever wins the primary. My mind is literally blown. I never expected a major political part of the U.S. to go completely crazy and irrational trying to remove an overly demonized president. The fact that people think Trump is worse than Bush and Obama, for example, is comical in my opinion. | ||
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