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JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
December 11 2019 19:52 GMT
#38841
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RenSC2
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States1102 Posts
December 11 2019 19:53 GMT
#38842
On December 12 2019 04:44 redlightdistrict wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2019 20:30 micronesia wrote:
On December 11 2019 20:27 Excludos wrote:
On December 11 2019 06:19 redlightdistrict wrote:
The Georgia reporter who is a rape survivor after being violently and sexually violated on Live TV, just gave he first interview. The original video has been viewed over 10+ times and is becoming a prominent piece of the #metoo movement happening in America

The violating abuser has been banned from further marathons in the US and rightfully so.


Not saying this is ok, it absolutely is not, the ban is deserved, but this seems very blown out of proportions. When you say "violently" and "sexually violated", I expected a lot more than a slap on the butt. As far as situations that should spur a MeToo response, this is pretty far down the list. Being a rape survivor doesn't really matter in this case either.

Also..10 views? Is that a typo? Not exactly a whole lot.

redlightdistrict does not know what rape is. Also, it should have been over ten million times. In addition, the ban was not from all marathons as far as I can tell, but specifically the events organized by the group that was running the one pictured.

https://statelaws.findlaw.com/california-law/california-rape-laws.html
Show nested quote +
Rape laws criminalize sexual intercourse that happens without the consent of at least one of the participants. Rape falls under the broader category of sexual assault (which includes offenses such as groping and other unwanted sexual contact).

How dare you accuse me i dont know what rape is when it is clearly defined in the letter of law. You just witnessed video of a girl being an unwilling participant in being unwantedly groped by a individual that was unknown to her. What this man did to that reporter is just as egregious as what epstien did on that island witch those young women, Rape is Rape.

Your reading comprehension is poor, which may explain a lot. Rape falls under the broader category of sexual assault. That means that there is a large category called sexual assault that includes things such as groping and rape. However, groping is not rape. Every rape is also a sexual assault, but not every sexual assault is a rape.

What you saw was sexual assault, but not rape. I know you want to “mock the libs”, but your reading comprehension is so poor that you only make yourself look foolish.
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Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany12080 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-12-11 19:55:41
December 11 2019 19:55 GMT
#38843
On December 12 2019 04:44 redlightdistrict wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2019 20:30 micronesia wrote:
On December 11 2019 20:27 Excludos wrote:
On December 11 2019 06:19 redlightdistrict wrote:
The Georgia reporter who is a rape survivor after being violently and sexually violated on Live TV, just gave he first interview. The original video has been viewed over 10+ times and is becoming a prominent piece of the #metoo movement happening in America
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mybIXTqlZ9Q
The violating abuser has been banned from further marathons in the US and rightfully so.


Not saying this is ok, it absolutely is not, the ban is deserved, but this seems very blown out of proportions. When you say "violently" and "sexually violated", I expected a lot more than a slap on the butt. As far as situations that should spur a MeToo response, this is pretty far down the list. Being a rape survivor doesn't really matter in this case either.

Also..10 views? Is that a typo? Not exactly a whole lot.

redlightdistrict does not know what rape is. Also, it should have been over ten million times. In addition, the ban was not from all marathons as far as I can tell, but specifically the events organized by the group that was running the one pictured.

https://statelaws.findlaw.com/california-law/california-rape-laws.html
Show nested quote +
Rape laws criminalize sexual intercourse that happens without the consent of at least one of the participants. Rape falls under the broader category of sexual assault (which includes offenses such as groping and other unwanted sexual contact).

How dare you accuse me i dont know what rape is when it is clearly defined in the letter of law. You just witnessed video of a girl being an unwilling participant in being unwantedly groped by a individual that was unknown to her. What this man did to that reporter is just as egregious as what epstien did on that island witch those young women, Rape is Rape.



You are also apparently incapable of either reading or basic logic.

"A is a subset of B" does not mean that just because C is also a subset of B, A is the same as C or A is a subset of C, or the other way around.

In this case, according to the text you quoted, rape is a subset of sexual assault. "groping and other unwanted sexual contact" are also a subset of sexual assault. All of which are quite sensible classifications. But that does not mean that groping is rape.

Another example of this:

An Apple is a fruit. Fruits are sweet things growing on trees, like bananas or oranges. Both of these are true. But that does not mean that an orange is an apple.
ZerOCoolSC2
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
9077 Posts
December 11 2019 20:28 GMT
#38844
Simberto, I don't know how much longer we can use that analogy. With the way cross breeding of fruits and GMO science...an orange just might be an apple one day. An Oraple? Apprange? We'll work on the name and get it to our focus groups.
redlightdistrict
Profile Joined October 2018
382 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-12-11 22:00:30
December 11 2019 21:58 GMT
#38845
On December 12 2019 04:51 Sent. wrote:
It's not funny redlight, it's cringey.

I'm not being cringy, im being real. Matt Damon was ostracized from Hollywood for going on record saying their is a difference between Harvey Weinstien and Al Franken.
https://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/matt-damon-draws-backlash-comments-sexual-harassment-assault/story?id=51860137
Matt Damon has drawn heated criticism for his comments on ABC's "Popcorn" in which he said all men accused of sexual harassment and assault shouldn't be lumped together because "there's a spectrum of behavior."

"There’s a difference between, you know, patting someone on the butt and rape or child molestation, right?" he told host Peter Travers Thursday while speaking about the national reckoning on sexual misconduct taking place in Hollywood, politics, the media and more. "Both of those behaviors need to be confronted and eradicated without question, but they shouldn’t be conflated, right?"
Alyssa Milano and Damon's "Good Will Hunting" co-star Minnie Driver strongly disagreed and chastised Damon for categorizing various forms of sexual misconduct.

"I have been a victim of each component of the sexual assault spectrum of which you speak. They all hurt," Milano, who helped spark the #MeToo movement, wrote on Twitter Friday. "And they are all connected to a patriarchy intertwined with normalized, accepted -- even welcomed -- misogyny."

Al Franken, Harvey Weinstien, were both predators violating women. Damon was clearly in the wrong, brushing Franklins assult off as a nothingburger, and punished accordingly. I don't see anything funny about a person being a victim of a violent and sexual crime.
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland27478 Posts
December 11 2019 22:03 GMT
#38846
On December 12 2019 06:58 redlightdistrict wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2019 04:51 Sent. wrote:
It's not funny redlight, it's cringey.

I'm not trying to be cringy. Matt Damon was ostracized from Hollywood for going on record saying their is a difference between Harvey Weinstien and Al Franken.
https://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/matt-damon-draws-backlash-comments-sexual-harassment-assault/story?id=51860137
Show nested quote +
Matt Damon has drawn heated criticism for his comments on ABC's "Popcorn" in which he said all men accused of sexual harassment and assault shouldn't be lumped together because "there's a spectrum of behavior."

"There’s a difference between, you know, patting someone on the butt and rape or child molestation, right?" he told host Peter Travers Thursday while speaking about the national reckoning on sexual misconduct taking place in Hollywood, politics, the media and more. "Both of those behaviors need to be confronted and eradicated without question, but they shouldn’t be conflated, right?"
Alyssa Milano and Damon's "Good Will Hunting" co-star Minnie Driver strongly disagreed and chastised Damon for categorizing various forms of sexual misconduct.

"I have been a victim of each component of the sexual assault spectrum of which you speak. They all hurt," Milano, who helped spark the #MeToo movement, wrote on Twitter Friday. "And they are all connected to a patriarchy intertwined with normalized, accepted -- even welcomed -- misogyny."

Al Franken, Harvey Weinstien, were both predators violating women. Damon was clearly in the wrong, brushing Franklins assult off as a nothingburger, and punished accordingly. I don't see anything funny about a person being a victim of a violent and sexual crime

I do find it amusing that a guy with the username ‘redlightdistrict’ is fighting this particular fight.

That aside Matt Damon was not ostracised from Hollywood, he was criticised sure, by the internet and other actors lower than him in that particular pecking order.

It’s an interesting topic but I’m not sure how earnestly your posts are intended to actually discuss it.
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
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Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
December 11 2019 22:07 GMT
#38847
Reminder: Uranium conspiracy theory never went anywhere. It was 100% bullshit.

Since we usually let bullshit slip away, I think it is important that we make a big fuss out of stuff that turns out to be bullshit.
redlightdistrict
Profile Joined October 2018
382 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-12-11 22:16:18
December 11 2019 22:08 GMT
#38848
I don't like seeing people being used and exploited by those in power, because that is how societies start to unravel itself. Not sure how this is a controversial stance, but ill let it go.


Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12619 Posts
December 11 2019 22:14 GMT
#38849
Since redlight wants to make no difference between groping and rape he probably feels in the same way that ostracization is the same as "two people said some stuff"
No will to live, no wish to die
Elroi
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden5617 Posts
December 11 2019 22:20 GMT
#38850
On December 11 2019 22:16 Wombat_NI wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2019 12:17 GreenHorizons wrote:
Trump plans to make Judaism a nationality by executive order to help stop BDS efforts of Israel.


Yeah that’s totally not disturbing at all.

I wonder what the ‘totally not right wing centrist’ types will have to say on this as it pertains to freedom of speech on campuses. I’m not imagining it will be a whole lot.

Aren't they all banned by now?
"To all eSports fans, I want to be remembered as a progamer who can make something out of nothing, and someone who always does his best. I think that is the right way of living, and I'm always doing my best to follow that." - Jaedong. /watch?v=jfghAzJqAp0
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland27478 Posts
December 11 2019 22:21 GMT
#38851
On December 12 2019 07:08 redlightdistrict wrote:
I don't like seeing people being used and exploited by those in power, because that is how societies start to unravel itself. Not sure how this is a controversial stance, but ill let it go.



Well no as I said it’s an interesting topic but I’m not even sure what your actual stance is on this issue.
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
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Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-12-11 22:22:47
December 11 2019 22:21 GMT
#38852
On December 12 2019 07:08 redlightdistrict wrote:
I don't like seeing people being used and exploited by those in power, because that is how societies start to unravel itself. Not sure how this is a controversial stance, but ill let it go.



You didn't even read your link ..
"Rape laws criminalize sexual intercourse that happens without the consent of at least one of the participants. Rape falls under the broader category of sexual assault (which includes offenses such as groping and other unwanted sexual contact). "
Literally the first two sentences in your link ...
Nvm, you just didn't understand it.
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Sent.
Profile Joined June 2012
Poland9336 Posts
December 11 2019 22:34 GMT
#38853
On December 12 2019 06:58 redlightdistrict wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2019 04:51 Sent. wrote:
It's not funny redlight, it's cringey.

I'm not being cringy, im being real. Matt Damon was ostracized from Hollywood for going on record saying their is a difference between Harvey Weinstien and Al Franken.
https://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/matt-damon-draws-backlash-comments-sexual-harassment-assault/story?id=51860137
Show nested quote +
Matt Damon has drawn heated criticism for his comments on ABC's "Popcorn" in which he said all men accused of sexual harassment and assault shouldn't be lumped together because "there's a spectrum of behavior."

"There’s a difference between, you know, patting someone on the butt and rape or child molestation, right?" he told host Peter Travers Thursday while speaking about the national reckoning on sexual misconduct taking place in Hollywood, politics, the media and more. "Both of those behaviors need to be confronted and eradicated without question, but they shouldn’t be conflated, right?"
Alyssa Milano and Damon's "Good Will Hunting" co-star Minnie Driver strongly disagreed and chastised Damon for categorizing various forms of sexual misconduct.

"I have been a victim of each component of the sexual assault spectrum of which you speak. They all hurt," Milano, who helped spark the #MeToo movement, wrote on Twitter Friday. "And they are all connected to a patriarchy intertwined with normalized, accepted -- even welcomed -- misogyny."

Al Franken, Harvey Weinstien, were both predators violating women. Damon was clearly in the wrong, brushing Franklins assult off as a nothingburger, and punished accordingly. I don't see anything funny about a person being a victim of a violent and sexual crime.


Basing your joke on a non sequitur was cringey.

Your Matt Damon story demonstrates the point on it's own and your addition only contaminates the message. Nobody is going to take your arguments seriously if even you don't do that.
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KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44439 Posts
December 11 2019 22:37 GMT
#38854
On December 12 2019 06:58 redlightdistrict wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2019 04:51 Sent. wrote:
It's not funny redlight, it's cringey.

I'm not being cringy, im being real. Matt Damon was ostracized from Hollywood for going on record saying their is a difference between Harvey Weinstien and Al Franken.
https://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/matt-damon-draws-backlash-comments-sexual-harassment-assault/story?id=51860137
Show nested quote +
Matt Damon has drawn heated criticism for his comments on ABC's "Popcorn" in which he said all men accused of sexual harassment and assault shouldn't be lumped together because "there's a spectrum of behavior."

"There’s a difference between, you know, patting someone on the butt and rape or child molestation, right?" he told host Peter Travers Thursday while speaking about the national reckoning on sexual misconduct taking place in Hollywood, politics, the media and more. "Both of those behaviors need to be confronted and eradicated without question, but they shouldn’t be conflated, right?"
Alyssa Milano and Damon's "Good Will Hunting" co-star Minnie Driver strongly disagreed and chastised Damon for categorizing various forms of sexual misconduct.

"I have been a victim of each component of the sexual assault spectrum of which you speak. They all hurt," Milano, who helped spark the #MeToo movement, wrote on Twitter Friday. "And they are all connected to a patriarchy intertwined with normalized, accepted -- even welcomed -- misogyny."

Al Franken, Harvey Weinstien, were both predators violating women. Damon was clearly in the wrong, brushing Franklins assult off as a nothingburger, and punished accordingly. I don't see anything funny about a person being a victim of a violent and sexual crime.

If Matt Damon was ostracized then who is appearing as him in movies?
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HelpMeGetBetter
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
United States766 Posts
December 12 2019 00:10 GMT
#38855
So I'll just copy and paste from an article - "The House Judiciary Committee tonight begins a historic debate over two articles of impeachment charging President Trump with abuse of power and obstruction of Congress."

My question is, why are they doing this at night?
ZerOCoolSC2
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
9077 Posts
December 12 2019 02:17 GMT
#38856
They want to have it voted and sent to Senate before the holiday recess. No one, not even washington, wants to work during the holidays.
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24505 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-12-12 02:19:17
December 12 2019 02:17 GMT
#38857
Democrats are giving Trump his Space Force

WASHINGTON — The House on Wednesday passed a $738 billion military policy bill that would authorize the creation of the Space Force championed by President Trump as the sixth branch of the military...

The 377-to-48 vote reflected broad bipartisan support for the compromise package, one of the nation’s most expensive military policy bills to date.

Mr. Kushner who intervened on measures targeting Saudi Arabia that would have prohibited arms sales or military assistance to the Saudi-led intervention in Yemen. He said they were nonstarters for the White House, according to the officials.

Representative Ro Khanna of California, who led a series of amendments seeking to curtail the president’s war powers on Iran and Saudi Arabia, called the omission of those measures from the final version “astonishing moral cowardice” in a joint statement with Senator Bernie Sanders, independent of Vermont.


www.nytimes.com

"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
ZerOCoolSC2
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
9077 Posts
December 12 2019 02:26 GMT
#38858
Congress is giving him the space force. Both parties did it. Don't make it seem like one side bent the knee. That shtick is old.
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-12-12 02:38:50
December 12 2019 02:34 GMT
#38859
On December 12 2019 11:17 GreenHorizons wrote:
Democrats are giving Trump his Space Force

Show nested quote +
WASHINGTON — The House on Wednesday passed a $738 billion military policy bill that would authorize the creation of the Space Force championed by President Trump as the sixth branch of the military...

The 377-to-48 vote reflected broad bipartisan support for the compromise package, one of the nation’s most expensive military policy bills to date.

Mr. Kushner who intervened on measures targeting Saudi Arabia that would have prohibited arms sales or military assistance to the Saudi-led intervention in Yemen. He said they were nonstarters for the White House, according to the officials.

Representative Ro Khanna of California, who led a series of amendments seeking to curtail the president’s war powers on Iran and Saudi Arabia, called the omission of those measures from the final version “astonishing moral cowardice” in a joint statement with Senator Bernie Sanders, independent of Vermont.


www.nytimes.com



Space force is a massive met benefit if it means more money for space-relevant scientific research.

Edit: also, space debris coupled with our dog shit technology means if we actually had space combat, we would likely pair our space flight abilities due to debris. The debris we'd generate due to be confined to our pathetic distance from the earth means we'd never actually engage in space combat.
micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24810 Posts
December 12 2019 02:38 GMT
#38860
As an engineering duty officer in the reserves I might get assigned to assist the space force haha.
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