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Northern Ireland23824 Posts
On December 10 2019 06:49 zenist wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2019 20:37 Wombat_NI wrote:On December 09 2019 19:58 zenist wrote:On December 08 2019 04:31 ShambhalaWar wrote:On December 07 2019 07:22 Mohdoo wrote:On December 07 2019 07:14 iamthedave wrote:On December 07 2019 04:59 Mohdoo wrote:On December 07 2019 04:31 Xxio wrote:On December 06 2019 22:36 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:Biden's ' No Malarkey' tour kicked off in Iowa with him telling an 84 year old farmer "let’s do pushups together here, man. Let’s run. Let’s do whatever you want to do. Let’s take an IQ test. OK?". Biden is comedy gold, if that ain't malarkey then what is? He's still the frontrunner, somehow.Warren collapsing on RCP poll averages. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/dec/05/joe-biden-iowa-voter-fat I wonder if the DNC will turn away from him. The "gaffs" are adding up and attracting attention. I'd like to see more of this from Biden, just done better. He was great up until the point where he asked about an IQ test. Keep it strictly to bravado, no need for the iamverysmart. I mean... really? If this rates positively on the meter, this election is gonna be a traaaaaaaaainwreck. I don't see the sense behind anyone on here supporting Biden at all. I can see the electoral logic for the less informed, but everyone on here must know Trump will crush Biden like a paper cup and toss him in the trash. He's Trump's perfect kind of opponent. I'm far from pro-Biden, but the general electorate is sub-garbage and they really like shows of strength and masculinity. Imagine being someone who thinks it is a good thing to buy a truck without working in construction or some other profession that uses a truck. That's who is voting. That is why Biden doing shit like this is a good thing is he gets the nomination. I think if it's Biden, there's 80-90% chance trump gets reelected and we're fucked... along with the world. People wanted real change, and Biden represents the norm. People say that now back to the norm is all we want, but I don't believe people really want things to keep going this way... it's unsustainable. If trump wins, I'll seriously consider leaving the country, if Biden wins... I will also seriously consider it... because nothing will really get better here. Wages will still be shit, healthcare shit, housing will eventually crash... nothing here is sustainable unless you are already rich... It's all kind of a mess waiting to fall apart. Who would want to have a kid here with the gun problem in schools? Or even bring a kid into the world when we don't seriously do anything about climate change? I think the only real chance we have is with Bernie, and if he wasn't getting blacked out by the media sooo much, I think the nominee would be him, hands down. They have to suppress him to get some corporate asshole in his place.It should be Bernie, and the slogan should be "real change." Warren also stands a chance is she just rallies with Bernie and stops trying to straddle the fence. Edit: Keeping that in mind I will 1,000% back and vote for any dem over that asshole trump... or any repub. Why we fucked though? The economy is doing well, jobs are being created, stock markets at all time high. Rather have an asshole that improve things than a gentleman that can't get anything done. How much of that is really attributable to Trump and his policies specifically though? But yeah point taken. A lot of people don’t care for the economy in an abstract sense, much less the stock market, it’s how those things interact with their lives and what they value. As an employee my selling strategy for my company stocks is when I get wind of some scheme that I think is a terrible idea, wait until it’s announced publicly and then sell shortly after and I usually get a nice bump. Not a particularly subtle strategy, if something is going to be bad for employees it almost certainly gets investors hard because their interests are not aligned. One thing for sure, is that people are working and getting paid. All that matters.
What Kwak said above.
As per my specific anecdote, our stocks tend to go up when we announce job cuts or basically anything that is bad for the workforce.
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On December 10 2019 08:02 Wombat_NI wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2019 06:49 zenist wrote:On December 09 2019 20:37 Wombat_NI wrote:On December 09 2019 19:58 zenist wrote:On December 08 2019 04:31 ShambhalaWar wrote:On December 07 2019 07:22 Mohdoo wrote:On December 07 2019 07:14 iamthedave wrote:On December 07 2019 04:59 Mohdoo wrote:On December 07 2019 04:31 Xxio wrote:On December 06 2019 22:36 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:Biden's ' No Malarkey' tour kicked off in Iowa with him telling an 84 year old farmer "let’s do pushups together here, man. Let’s run. Let’s do whatever you want to do. Let’s take an IQ test. OK?". Biden is comedy gold, if that ain't malarkey then what is? He's still the frontrunner, somehow.Warren collapsing on RCP poll averages. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/dec/05/joe-biden-iowa-voter-fat I wonder if the DNC will turn away from him. The "gaffs" are adding up and attracting attention. I'd like to see more of this from Biden, just done better. He was great up until the point where he asked about an IQ test. Keep it strictly to bravado, no need for the iamverysmart. I mean... really? If this rates positively on the meter, this election is gonna be a traaaaaaaaainwreck. I don't see the sense behind anyone on here supporting Biden at all. I can see the electoral logic for the less informed, but everyone on here must know Trump will crush Biden like a paper cup and toss him in the trash. He's Trump's perfect kind of opponent. I'm far from pro-Biden, but the general electorate is sub-garbage and they really like shows of strength and masculinity. Imagine being someone who thinks it is a good thing to buy a truck without working in construction or some other profession that uses a truck. That's who is voting. That is why Biden doing shit like this is a good thing is he gets the nomination. I think if it's Biden, there's 80-90% chance trump gets reelected and we're fucked... along with the world. People wanted real change, and Biden represents the norm. People say that now back to the norm is all we want, but I don't believe people really want things to keep going this way... it's unsustainable. If trump wins, I'll seriously consider leaving the country, if Biden wins... I will also seriously consider it... because nothing will really get better here. Wages will still be shit, healthcare shit, housing will eventually crash... nothing here is sustainable unless you are already rich... It's all kind of a mess waiting to fall apart. Who would want to have a kid here with the gun problem in schools? Or even bring a kid into the world when we don't seriously do anything about climate change? I think the only real chance we have is with Bernie, and if he wasn't getting blacked out by the media sooo much, I think the nominee would be him, hands down. They have to suppress him to get some corporate asshole in his place.It should be Bernie, and the slogan should be "real change." Warren also stands a chance is she just rallies with Bernie and stops trying to straddle the fence. Edit: Keeping that in mind I will 1,000% back and vote for any dem over that asshole trump... or any repub. Why we fucked though? The economy is doing well, jobs are being created, stock markets at all time high. Rather have an asshole that improve things than a gentleman that can't get anything done. How much of that is really attributable to Trump and his policies specifically though? But yeah point taken. A lot of people don’t care for the economy in an abstract sense, much less the stock market, it’s how those things interact with their lives and what they value. As an employee my selling strategy for my company stocks is when I get wind of some scheme that I think is a terrible idea, wait until it’s announced publicly and then sell shortly after and I usually get a nice bump. Not a particularly subtle strategy, if something is going to be bad for employees it almost certainly gets investors hard because their interests are not aligned. One thing for sure, is that people are working and getting paid. All that matters. What Kwak said above. As per my specific anecdote, our stocks tend to go up when we announce job cuts or basically anything that is bad for the workforce.
Good stock performance usually reflects well on end of year bonuses, but that is yet another example of something that only improves the lives of people who are already doing just fine. People who are paid inadequate wages don't usually even get bonuses.
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Northern Ireland23824 Posts
On December 10 2019 08:20 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2019 08:02 Wombat_NI wrote:On December 10 2019 06:49 zenist wrote:On December 09 2019 20:37 Wombat_NI wrote:On December 09 2019 19:58 zenist wrote:On December 08 2019 04:31 ShambhalaWar wrote:On December 07 2019 07:22 Mohdoo wrote:On December 07 2019 07:14 iamthedave wrote:On December 07 2019 04:59 Mohdoo wrote:On December 07 2019 04:31 Xxio wrote:
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I wonder if the DNC will turn away from him. The "gaffs" are adding up and attracting attention. I'd like to see more of this from Biden, just done better. He was great up until the point where he asked about an IQ test. Keep it strictly to bravado, no need for the iamverysmart. I mean... really? If this rates positively on the meter, this election is gonna be a traaaaaaaaainwreck. I don't see the sense behind anyone on here supporting Biden at all. I can see the electoral logic for the less informed, but everyone on here must know Trump will crush Biden like a paper cup and toss him in the trash. He's Trump's perfect kind of opponent. I'm far from pro-Biden, but the general electorate is sub-garbage and they really like shows of strength and masculinity. Imagine being someone who thinks it is a good thing to buy a truck without working in construction or some other profession that uses a truck. That's who is voting. That is why Biden doing shit like this is a good thing is he gets the nomination. I think if it's Biden, there's 80-90% chance trump gets reelected and we're fucked... along with the world. People wanted real change, and Biden represents the norm. People say that now back to the norm is all we want, but I don't believe people really want things to keep going this way... it's unsustainable. If trump wins, I'll seriously consider leaving the country, if Biden wins... I will also seriously consider it... because nothing will really get better here. Wages will still be shit, healthcare shit, housing will eventually crash... nothing here is sustainable unless you are already rich... It's all kind of a mess waiting to fall apart. Who would want to have a kid here with the gun problem in schools? Or even bring a kid into the world when we don't seriously do anything about climate change? I think the only real chance we have is with Bernie, and if he wasn't getting blacked out by the media sooo much, I think the nominee would be him, hands down. They have to suppress him to get some corporate asshole in his place.It should be Bernie, and the slogan should be "real change." Warren also stands a chance is she just rallies with Bernie and stops trying to straddle the fence. Edit: Keeping that in mind I will 1,000% back and vote for any dem over that asshole trump... or any repub. Why we fucked though? The economy is doing well, jobs are being created, stock markets at all time high. Rather have an asshole that improve things than a gentleman that can't get anything done. How much of that is really attributable to Trump and his policies specifically though? But yeah point taken. A lot of people don’t care for the economy in an abstract sense, much less the stock market, it’s how those things interact with their lives and what they value. As an employee my selling strategy for my company stocks is when I get wind of some scheme that I think is a terrible idea, wait until it’s announced publicly and then sell shortly after and I usually get a nice bump. Not a particularly subtle strategy, if something is going to be bad for employees it almost certainly gets investors hard because their interests are not aligned. One thing for sure, is that people are working and getting paid. All that matters. What Kwak said above. As per my specific anecdote, our stocks tend to go up when we announce job cuts or basically anything that is bad for the workforce. Good stock performance usually reflects well on end of year bonuses, but that is yet another example of something that only improves the lives of people who are already doing just fine. People who are paid inadequate wages don't usually even get bonuses.
What’s a bonus?
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On December 10 2019 08:31 Wombat_NI wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2019 08:20 Mohdoo wrote:On December 10 2019 08:02 Wombat_NI wrote:On December 10 2019 06:49 zenist wrote:On December 09 2019 20:37 Wombat_NI wrote:On December 09 2019 19:58 zenist wrote:On December 08 2019 04:31 ShambhalaWar wrote:On December 07 2019 07:22 Mohdoo wrote:On December 07 2019 07:14 iamthedave wrote:On December 07 2019 04:59 Mohdoo wrote:
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I'd like to see more of this from Biden, just done better. He was great up until the point where he asked about an IQ test. Keep it strictly to bravado, no need for the iamverysmart. I mean... really? If this rates positively on the meter, this election is gonna be a traaaaaaaaainwreck. I don't see the sense behind anyone on here supporting Biden at all. I can see the electoral logic for the less informed, but everyone on here must know Trump will crush Biden like a paper cup and toss him in the trash. He's Trump's perfect kind of opponent. I'm far from pro-Biden, but the general electorate is sub-garbage and they really like shows of strength and masculinity. Imagine being someone who thinks it is a good thing to buy a truck without working in construction or some other profession that uses a truck. That's who is voting. That is why Biden doing shit like this is a good thing is he gets the nomination. I think if it's Biden, there's 80-90% chance trump gets reelected and we're fucked... along with the world. People wanted real change, and Biden represents the norm. People say that now back to the norm is all we want, but I don't believe people really want things to keep going this way... it's unsustainable. If trump wins, I'll seriously consider leaving the country, if Biden wins... I will also seriously consider it... because nothing will really get better here. Wages will still be shit, healthcare shit, housing will eventually crash... nothing here is sustainable unless you are already rich... It's all kind of a mess waiting to fall apart. Who would want to have a kid here with the gun problem in schools? Or even bring a kid into the world when we don't seriously do anything about climate change? I think the only real chance we have is with Bernie, and if he wasn't getting blacked out by the media sooo much, I think the nominee would be him, hands down. They have to suppress him to get some corporate asshole in his place.It should be Bernie, and the slogan should be "real change." Warren also stands a chance is she just rallies with Bernie and stops trying to straddle the fence. Edit: Keeping that in mind I will 1,000% back and vote for any dem over that asshole trump... or any repub. Why we fucked though? The economy is doing well, jobs are being created, stock markets at all time high. Rather have an asshole that improve things than a gentleman that can't get anything done. How much of that is really attributable to Trump and his policies specifically though? But yeah point taken. A lot of people don’t care for the economy in an abstract sense, much less the stock market, it’s how those things interact with their lives and what they value. As an employee my selling strategy for my company stocks is when I get wind of some scheme that I think is a terrible idea, wait until it’s announced publicly and then sell shortly after and I usually get a nice bump. Not a particularly subtle strategy, if something is going to be bad for employees it almost certainly gets investors hard because their interests are not aligned. One thing for sure, is that people are working and getting paid. All that matters. What Kwak said above. As per my specific anecdote, our stocks tend to go up when we announce job cuts or basically anything that is bad for the workforce. Good stock performance usually reflects well on end of year bonuses, but that is yet another example of something that only improves the lives of people who are already doing just fine. People who are paid inadequate wages don't usually even get bonuses. What’s a bonus?
The thing that you pay to shareholders after you slash 1000 jobs because even tough the company made huge, HUGE amount of money that year, it wasn't infinite money
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Ahm... Shareholders don't recieve a bonus, thats just plain wrong.
Usually Middle/Higher Management get Boni that "should" be dependant on their and the companies performance.
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On December 10 2019 08:31 Wombat_NI wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2019 08:20 Mohdoo wrote:On December 10 2019 08:02 Wombat_NI wrote:On December 10 2019 06:49 zenist wrote:On December 09 2019 20:37 Wombat_NI wrote:On December 09 2019 19:58 zenist wrote:On December 08 2019 04:31 ShambhalaWar wrote:On December 07 2019 07:22 Mohdoo wrote:On December 07 2019 07:14 iamthedave wrote:On December 07 2019 04:59 Mohdoo wrote:
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I'd like to see more of this from Biden, just done better. He was great up until the point where he asked about an IQ test. Keep it strictly to bravado, no need for the iamverysmart. I mean... really? If this rates positively on the meter, this election is gonna be a traaaaaaaaainwreck. I don't see the sense behind anyone on here supporting Biden at all. I can see the electoral logic for the less informed, but everyone on here must know Trump will crush Biden like a paper cup and toss him in the trash. He's Trump's perfect kind of opponent. I'm far from pro-Biden, but the general electorate is sub-garbage and they really like shows of strength and masculinity. Imagine being someone who thinks it is a good thing to buy a truck without working in construction or some other profession that uses a truck. That's who is voting. That is why Biden doing shit like this is a good thing is he gets the nomination. I think if it's Biden, there's 80-90% chance trump gets reelected and we're fucked... along with the world. People wanted real change, and Biden represents the norm. People say that now back to the norm is all we want, but I don't believe people really want things to keep going this way... it's unsustainable. If trump wins, I'll seriously consider leaving the country, if Biden wins... I will also seriously consider it... because nothing will really get better here. Wages will still be shit, healthcare shit, housing will eventually crash... nothing here is sustainable unless you are already rich... It's all kind of a mess waiting to fall apart. Who would want to have a kid here with the gun problem in schools? Or even bring a kid into the world when we don't seriously do anything about climate change? I think the only real chance we have is with Bernie, and if he wasn't getting blacked out by the media sooo much, I think the nominee would be him, hands down. They have to suppress him to get some corporate asshole in his place.It should be Bernie, and the slogan should be "real change." Warren also stands a chance is she just rallies with Bernie and stops trying to straddle the fence. Edit: Keeping that in mind I will 1,000% back and vote for any dem over that asshole trump... or any repub. Why we fucked though? The economy is doing well, jobs are being created, stock markets at all time high. Rather have an asshole that improve things than a gentleman that can't get anything done. How much of that is really attributable to Trump and his policies specifically though? But yeah point taken. A lot of people don’t care for the economy in an abstract sense, much less the stock market, it’s how those things interact with their lives and what they value. As an employee my selling strategy for my company stocks is when I get wind of some scheme that I think is a terrible idea, wait until it’s announced publicly and then sell shortly after and I usually get a nice bump. Not a particularly subtle strategy, if something is going to be bad for employees it almost certainly gets investors hard because their interests are not aligned. One thing for sure, is that people are working and getting paid. All that matters. What Kwak said above. As per my specific anecdote, our stocks tend to go up when we announce job cuts or basically anything that is bad for the workforce. Good stock performance usually reflects well on end of year bonuses, but that is yet another example of something that only improves the lives of people who are already doing just fine. People who are paid inadequate wages don't usually even get bonuses. What’s a bonus?
I heard bankers got some huge ones for nearly obliterating the global economy.
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On December 10 2019 17:24 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2019 08:31 Wombat_NI wrote:On December 10 2019 08:20 Mohdoo wrote:On December 10 2019 08:02 Wombat_NI wrote:On December 10 2019 06:49 zenist wrote:On December 09 2019 20:37 Wombat_NI wrote:On December 09 2019 19:58 zenist wrote:On December 08 2019 04:31 ShambhalaWar wrote:On December 07 2019 07:22 Mohdoo wrote:On December 07 2019 07:14 iamthedave wrote:
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I mean... really?
If this rates positively on the meter, this election is gonna be a traaaaaaaaainwreck.
I don't see the sense behind anyone on here supporting Biden at all. I can see the electoral logic for the less informed, but everyone on here must know Trump will crush Biden like a paper cup and toss him in the trash. He's Trump's perfect kind of opponent. I'm far from pro-Biden, but the general electorate is sub-garbage and they really like shows of strength and masculinity. Imagine being someone who thinks it is a good thing to buy a truck without working in construction or some other profession that uses a truck. That's who is voting. That is why Biden doing shit like this is a good thing is he gets the nomination. I think if it's Biden, there's 80-90% chance trump gets reelected and we're fucked... along with the world. People wanted real change, and Biden represents the norm. People say that now back to the norm is all we want, but I don't believe people really want things to keep going this way... it's unsustainable. If trump wins, I'll seriously consider leaving the country, if Biden wins... I will also seriously consider it... because nothing will really get better here. Wages will still be shit, healthcare shit, housing will eventually crash... nothing here is sustainable unless you are already rich... It's all kind of a mess waiting to fall apart. Who would want to have a kid here with the gun problem in schools? Or even bring a kid into the world when we don't seriously do anything about climate change? I think the only real chance we have is with Bernie, and if he wasn't getting blacked out by the media sooo much, I think the nominee would be him, hands down. They have to suppress him to get some corporate asshole in his place.It should be Bernie, and the slogan should be "real change." Warren also stands a chance is she just rallies with Bernie and stops trying to straddle the fence. Edit: Keeping that in mind I will 1,000% back and vote for any dem over that asshole trump... or any repub. Why we fucked though? The economy is doing well, jobs are being created, stock markets at all time high. Rather have an asshole that improve things than a gentleman that can't get anything done. How much of that is really attributable to Trump and his policies specifically though? But yeah point taken. A lot of people don’t care for the economy in an abstract sense, much less the stock market, it’s how those things interact with their lives and what they value. As an employee my selling strategy for my company stocks is when I get wind of some scheme that I think is a terrible idea, wait until it’s announced publicly and then sell shortly after and I usually get a nice bump. Not a particularly subtle strategy, if something is going to be bad for employees it almost certainly gets investors hard because their interests are not aligned. One thing for sure, is that people are working and getting paid. All that matters. What Kwak said above. As per my specific anecdote, our stocks tend to go up when we announce job cuts or basically anything that is bad for the workforce. Good stock performance usually reflects well on end of year bonuses, but that is yet another example of something that only improves the lives of people who are already doing just fine. People who are paid inadequate wages don't usually even get bonuses. What’s a bonus? I heard bankers got some huge ones for nearly obliterating the global economy.
I'm led to believe they learned their lesson, though.
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On December 10 2019 21:52 iamthedave wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2019 17:24 GreenHorizons wrote:On December 10 2019 08:31 Wombat_NI wrote:On December 10 2019 08:20 Mohdoo wrote:On December 10 2019 08:02 Wombat_NI wrote:On December 10 2019 06:49 zenist wrote:On December 09 2019 20:37 Wombat_NI wrote:On December 09 2019 19:58 zenist wrote:On December 08 2019 04:31 ShambhalaWar wrote:On December 07 2019 07:22 Mohdoo wrote:
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I'm far from pro-Biden, but the general electorate is sub-garbage and they really like shows of strength and masculinity. Imagine being someone who thinks it is a good thing to buy a truck without working in construction or some other profession that uses a truck. That's who is voting. That is why Biden doing shit like this is a good thing is he gets the nomination. I think if it's Biden, there's 80-90% chance trump gets reelected and we're fucked... along with the world. People wanted real change, and Biden represents the norm. People say that now back to the norm is all we want, but I don't believe people really want things to keep going this way... it's unsustainable. If trump wins, I'll seriously consider leaving the country, if Biden wins... I will also seriously consider it... because nothing will really get better here. Wages will still be shit, healthcare shit, housing will eventually crash... nothing here is sustainable unless you are already rich... It's all kind of a mess waiting to fall apart. Who would want to have a kid here with the gun problem in schools? Or even bring a kid into the world when we don't seriously do anything about climate change? I think the only real chance we have is with Bernie, and if he wasn't getting blacked out by the media sooo much, I think the nominee would be him, hands down. They have to suppress him to get some corporate asshole in his place.It should be Bernie, and the slogan should be "real change." Warren also stands a chance is she just rallies with Bernie and stops trying to straddle the fence. Edit: Keeping that in mind I will 1,000% back and vote for any dem over that asshole trump... or any repub. Why we fucked though? The economy is doing well, jobs are being created, stock markets at all time high. Rather have an asshole that improve things than a gentleman that can't get anything done. How much of that is really attributable to Trump and his policies specifically though? But yeah point taken. A lot of people don’t care for the economy in an abstract sense, much less the stock market, it’s how those things interact with their lives and what they value. As an employee my selling strategy for my company stocks is when I get wind of some scheme that I think is a terrible idea, wait until it’s announced publicly and then sell shortly after and I usually get a nice bump. Not a particularly subtle strategy, if something is going to be bad for employees it almost certainly gets investors hard because their interests are not aligned. One thing for sure, is that people are working and getting paid. All that matters. What Kwak said above. As per my specific anecdote, our stocks tend to go up when we announce job cuts or basically anything that is bad for the workforce. Good stock performance usually reflects well on end of year bonuses, but that is yet another example of something that only improves the lives of people who are already doing just fine. People who are paid inadequate wages don't usually even get bonuses. What’s a bonus? I heard bankers got some huge ones for nearly obliterating the global economy. I'm led to believe they learned their lesson, though.
I think it's unlikely. Obama's banking reform was a huge step in the right direction, but with Johnson in a UK freed from EU regulation and the GOP in power, I think the chances it goes full clowntown casino shitshow in a near future are quite high.
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Northern Ireland23824 Posts
On December 10 2019 21:52 iamthedave wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2019 17:24 GreenHorizons wrote:On December 10 2019 08:31 Wombat_NI wrote:On December 10 2019 08:20 Mohdoo wrote:On December 10 2019 08:02 Wombat_NI wrote:On December 10 2019 06:49 zenist wrote:On December 09 2019 20:37 Wombat_NI wrote:On December 09 2019 19:58 zenist wrote:On December 08 2019 04:31 ShambhalaWar wrote:On December 07 2019 07:22 Mohdoo wrote:
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I'm far from pro-Biden, but the general electorate is sub-garbage and they really like shows of strength and masculinity. Imagine being someone who thinks it is a good thing to buy a truck without working in construction or some other profession that uses a truck. That's who is voting. That is why Biden doing shit like this is a good thing is he gets the nomination. I think if it's Biden, there's 80-90% chance trump gets reelected and we're fucked... along with the world. People wanted real change, and Biden represents the norm. People say that now back to the norm is all we want, but I don't believe people really want things to keep going this way... it's unsustainable. If trump wins, I'll seriously consider leaving the country, if Biden wins... I will also seriously consider it... because nothing will really get better here. Wages will still be shit, healthcare shit, housing will eventually crash... nothing here is sustainable unless you are already rich... It's all kind of a mess waiting to fall apart. Who would want to have a kid here with the gun problem in schools? Or even bring a kid into the world when we don't seriously do anything about climate change? I think the only real chance we have is with Bernie, and if he wasn't getting blacked out by the media sooo much, I think the nominee would be him, hands down. They have to suppress him to get some corporate asshole in his place.It should be Bernie, and the slogan should be "real change." Warren also stands a chance is she just rallies with Bernie and stops trying to straddle the fence. Edit: Keeping that in mind I will 1,000% back and vote for any dem over that asshole trump... or any repub. Why we fucked though? The economy is doing well, jobs are being created, stock markets at all time high. Rather have an asshole that improve things than a gentleman that can't get anything done. How much of that is really attributable to Trump and his policies specifically though? But yeah point taken. A lot of people don’t care for the economy in an abstract sense, much less the stock market, it’s how those things interact with their lives and what they value. As an employee my selling strategy for my company stocks is when I get wind of some scheme that I think is a terrible idea, wait until it’s announced publicly and then sell shortly after and I usually get a nice bump. Not a particularly subtle strategy, if something is going to be bad for employees it almost certainly gets investors hard because their interests are not aligned. One thing for sure, is that people are working and getting paid. All that matters. What Kwak said above. As per my specific anecdote, our stocks tend to go up when we announce job cuts or basically anything that is bad for the workforce. Good stock performance usually reflects well on end of year bonuses, but that is yet another example of something that only improves the lives of people who are already doing just fine. People who are paid inadequate wages don't usually even get bonuses. What’s a bonus? I heard bankers got some huge ones for nearly obliterating the global economy. I'm led to believe they learned their lesson, though.
Aye haha, ‘we promise to keep doing what we were doing just not screw up quite so badly this time!’
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Two articles of impeachment unveiled. They seem to be something that will make the GOP looks really bad to a lot of swing voters, showing they don't care for the constitution and are just riding this whole partisan bullshit train until it heads for the cliff.
House Democrats unveiled two articles of impeachment against President Trump on Tuesday morning, charging him with abuse of power in the Ukraine affair and obstruction of Congress.
The announcement came 77 days after the House launched a formal inquiry into Trump's freezing of assistance to Ukraine and request to investigate his political rival. It marked only the fourth time in U.S. history that articles of impeachment have been introduced against a president.
Judiciary Committee Chairman Jerry Nadler, D-N.Y., said Trump "consistently puts himself above the country" and the president's actions in the Ukraine affair left the House with no choice but to resort to the remedy prescribed in the Constitution for the most egregious wrongdoing by a president.
"We must be clear: No one — not even the president — is above the law," he said.
After it completes work on the articles, the Judiciary Committee is expected to send them to the full House for a vote on whether to impeach the president. Democrats control the majority.
If the chamber votes to impeach Trump, that would trigger a trial in the Senate — which is controlled by Trump's allies. Republicans in the upper chamber are expected to acquit Trump and permit him to keep his office.
The president wrote on Twitter that he rejected the premise of Democrats' case — he did not "pressure" his Ukrainian counterpart, Trump argued.
Nadler just said that I “pressured Ukraine to interfere in our 2020 Election.” Ridiculous, and he knows that is not true. Both the President & Foreign Minister of Ukraine said, many times, that there “WAS NO PRESSURE.” Nadler and the Dems know this, but refuse to acknowledge!
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) December 10, 2019
Trump's campaign said separately on Tuesday that impeachment represented a craven attempt by Democrats to sabotage the election because House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and her members are worried that none of their presidential candidates can defeat Trump in the election next year.
Source
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On December 10 2019 21:58 Biff The Understudy wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2019 21:52 iamthedave wrote:On December 10 2019 17:24 GreenHorizons wrote:On December 10 2019 08:31 Wombat_NI wrote:On December 10 2019 08:20 Mohdoo wrote:On December 10 2019 08:02 Wombat_NI wrote:On December 10 2019 06:49 zenist wrote:On December 09 2019 20:37 Wombat_NI wrote:On December 09 2019 19:58 zenist wrote:On December 08 2019 04:31 ShambhalaWar wrote:
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I think if it's Biden, there's 80-90% chance trump gets reelected and we're fucked... along with the world.
People wanted real change, and Biden represents the norm. People say that now back to the norm is all we want, but I don't believe people really want things to keep going this way... it's unsustainable. If trump wins, I'll seriously consider leaving the country, if Biden wins... I will also seriously consider it... because nothing will really get better here.
Wages will still be shit, healthcare shit, housing will eventually crash... nothing here is sustainable unless you are already rich... It's all kind of a mess waiting to fall apart. Who would want to have a kid here with the gun problem in schools? Or even bring a kid into the world when we don't seriously do anything about climate change?
I think the only real chance we have is with Bernie, and if he wasn't getting blacked out by the media sooo much, I think the nominee would be him, hands down. They have to suppress him to get some corporate asshole in his place.
It should be Bernie, and the slogan should be "real change." Warren also stands a chance is she just rallies with Bernie and stops trying to straddle the fence.
Edit: Keeping that in mind I will 1,000% back and vote for any dem over that asshole trump... or any repub. Why we fucked though? The economy is doing well, jobs are being created, stock markets at all time high. Rather have an asshole that improve things than a gentleman that can't get anything done. How much of that is really attributable to Trump and his policies specifically though? But yeah point taken. A lot of people don’t care for the economy in an abstract sense, much less the stock market, it’s how those things interact with their lives and what they value. As an employee my selling strategy for my company stocks is when I get wind of some scheme that I think is a terrible idea, wait until it’s announced publicly and then sell shortly after and I usually get a nice bump. Not a particularly subtle strategy, if something is going to be bad for employees it almost certainly gets investors hard because their interests are not aligned. One thing for sure, is that people are working and getting paid. All that matters. What Kwak said above. As per my specific anecdote, our stocks tend to go up when we announce job cuts or basically anything that is bad for the workforce. Good stock performance usually reflects well on end of year bonuses, but that is yet another example of something that only improves the lives of people who are already doing just fine. People who are paid inadequate wages don't usually even get bonuses. What’s a bonus? I heard bankers got some huge ones for nearly obliterating the global economy. I'm led to believe they learned their lesson, though. I think it's unlikely. Obama's banking reform was a huge step in the right direction, but with Johnson in a UK freed from EU regulation and the GOP in power, I think the chances it goes full clowntown casino shitshow in a near future are quite high.
Considering Trump boasted yesterday that he deleted 8 regulations for each new one he signed ...
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On December 11 2019 01:14 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:Two articles of impeachment unveiled. They seem to be something that will make the GOP looks really bad to a lot of swing voters, showing they don't care for the constitution and are just riding this whole partisan bullshit train until it heads for the cliff. Show nested quote +House Democrats unveiled two articles of impeachment against President Trump on Tuesday morning, charging him with abuse of power in the Ukraine affair and obstruction of Congress.
The announcement came 77 days after the House launched a formal inquiry into Trump's freezing of assistance to Ukraine and request to investigate his political rival. It marked only the fourth time in U.S. history that articles of impeachment have been introduced against a president.
Judiciary Committee Chairman Jerry Nadler, D-N.Y., said Trump "consistently puts himself above the country" and the president's actions in the Ukraine affair left the House with no choice but to resort to the remedy prescribed in the Constitution for the most egregious wrongdoing by a president.
"We must be clear: No one — not even the president — is above the law," he said.
After it completes work on the articles, the Judiciary Committee is expected to send them to the full House for a vote on whether to impeach the president. Democrats control the majority.
If the chamber votes to impeach Trump, that would trigger a trial in the Senate — which is controlled by Trump's allies. Republicans in the upper chamber are expected to acquit Trump and permit him to keep his office.
The president wrote on Twitter that he rejected the premise of Democrats' case — he did not "pressure" his Ukrainian counterpart, Trump argued.
Nadler just said that I “pressured Ukraine to interfere in our 2020 Election.” Ridiculous, and he knows that is not true. Both the President & Foreign Minister of Ukraine said, many times, that there “WAS NO PRESSURE.” Nadler and the Dems know this, but refuse to acknowledge!
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) December 10, 2019
Trump's campaign said separately on Tuesday that impeachment represented a craven attempt by Democrats to sabotage the election because House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and her members are worried that none of their presidential candidates can defeat Trump in the election next year. Source
They didn't really unveil articles of impeachment (notice there are no articles EDIT: A draft was added in an update) they announced what they wanted to limit the debate in the committee to for a potential vote on articles of impeachment in committee and provided they make it out of committee, put it to a vote in front of the full House to see if they can send it to the Senate.
On December 11 2019 01:32 Erasme wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2019 21:58 Biff The Understudy wrote:On December 10 2019 21:52 iamthedave wrote:On December 10 2019 17:24 GreenHorizons wrote:On December 10 2019 08:31 Wombat_NI wrote:On December 10 2019 08:20 Mohdoo wrote:On December 10 2019 08:02 Wombat_NI wrote:On December 10 2019 06:49 zenist wrote:On December 09 2019 20:37 Wombat_NI wrote:On December 09 2019 19:58 zenist wrote:
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Why we fucked though?
The economy is doing well, jobs are being created, stock markets at all time high.
Rather have an asshole that improve things than a gentleman that can't get anything done. How much of that is really attributable to Trump and his policies specifically though? But yeah point taken. A lot of people don’t care for the economy in an abstract sense, much less the stock market, it’s how those things interact with their lives and what they value. As an employee my selling strategy for my company stocks is when I get wind of some scheme that I think is a terrible idea, wait until it’s announced publicly and then sell shortly after and I usually get a nice bump. Not a particularly subtle strategy, if something is going to be bad for employees it almost certainly gets investors hard because their interests are not aligned. One thing for sure, is that people are working and getting paid. All that matters. What Kwak said above. As per my specific anecdote, our stocks tend to go up when we announce job cuts or basically anything that is bad for the workforce. Good stock performance usually reflects well on end of year bonuses, but that is yet another example of something that only improves the lives of people who are already doing just fine. People who are paid inadequate wages don't usually even get bonuses. What’s a bonus? I heard bankers got some huge ones for nearly obliterating the global economy. I'm led to believe they learned their lesson, though. I think it's unlikely. Obama's banking reform was a huge step in the right direction, but with Johnson in a UK freed from EU regulation and the GOP in power, I think the chances it goes full clowntown casino shitshow in a near future are quite high. Considering Trump boasted yesterday that he deleted 8 regulations for each new one he signed ...
Democrats helped him remove some of those very financial regulations too
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On December 11 2019 01:32 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2019 01:14 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:Two articles of impeachment unveiled. They seem to be something that will make the GOP looks really bad to a lot of swing voters, showing they don't care for the constitution and are just riding this whole partisan bullshit train until it heads for the cliff. House Democrats unveiled two articles of impeachment against President Trump on Tuesday morning, charging him with abuse of power in the Ukraine affair and obstruction of Congress.
The announcement came 77 days after the House launched a formal inquiry into Trump's freezing of assistance to Ukraine and request to investigate his political rival. It marked only the fourth time in U.S. history that articles of impeachment have been introduced against a president.
Judiciary Committee Chairman Jerry Nadler, D-N.Y., said Trump "consistently puts himself above the country" and the president's actions in the Ukraine affair left the House with no choice but to resort to the remedy prescribed in the Constitution for the most egregious wrongdoing by a president.
"We must be clear: No one — not even the president — is above the law," he said.
After it completes work on the articles, the Judiciary Committee is expected to send them to the full House for a vote on whether to impeach the president. Democrats control the majority.
If the chamber votes to impeach Trump, that would trigger a trial in the Senate — which is controlled by Trump's allies. Republicans in the upper chamber are expected to acquit Trump and permit him to keep his office.
The president wrote on Twitter that he rejected the premise of Democrats' case — he did not "pressure" his Ukrainian counterpart, Trump argued.
Nadler just said that I “pressured Ukraine to interfere in our 2020 Election.” Ridiculous, and he knows that is not true. Both the President & Foreign Minister of Ukraine said, many times, that there “WAS NO PRESSURE.” Nadler and the Dems know this, but refuse to acknowledge!
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) December 10, 2019
Trump's campaign said separately on Tuesday that impeachment represented a craven attempt by Democrats to sabotage the election because House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and her members are worried that none of their presidential candidates can defeat Trump in the election next year. Source They didn't really unveil articles of impeachment (notice there are no articles) they announced what they wanted to limit the debate in the committee to for a potential vote on articles of impeachment in committee and provided they make it out of committee, put it to a vote in front of the full House to see if they can send it to the Senate. Show nested quote +On December 11 2019 01:32 Erasme wrote:On December 10 2019 21:58 Biff The Understudy wrote:On December 10 2019 21:52 iamthedave wrote:On December 10 2019 17:24 GreenHorizons wrote:On December 10 2019 08:31 Wombat_NI wrote:On December 10 2019 08:20 Mohdoo wrote:On December 10 2019 08:02 Wombat_NI wrote:On December 10 2019 06:49 zenist wrote:On December 09 2019 20:37 Wombat_NI wrote:
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How much of that is really attributable to Trump and his policies specifically though?
But yeah point taken. A lot of people don’t care for the economy in an abstract sense, much less the stock market, it’s how those things interact with their lives and what they value.
As an employee my selling strategy for my company stocks is when I get wind of some scheme that I think is a terrible idea, wait until it’s announced publicly and then sell shortly after and I usually get a nice bump. Not a particularly subtle strategy, if something is going to be bad for employees it almost certainly gets investors hard because their interests are not aligned. One thing for sure, is that people are working and getting paid. All that matters. What Kwak said above. As per my specific anecdote, our stocks tend to go up when we announce job cuts or basically anything that is bad for the workforce. Good stock performance usually reflects well on end of year bonuses, but that is yet another example of something that only improves the lives of people who are already doing just fine. People who are paid inadequate wages don't usually even get bonuses. What’s a bonus? I heard bankers got some huge ones for nearly obliterating the global economy. I'm led to believe they learned their lesson, though. I think it's unlikely. Obama's banking reform was a huge step in the right direction, but with Johnson in a UK freed from EU regulation and the GOP in power, I think the chances it goes full clowntown casino shitshow in a near future are quite high. Considering Trump boasted yesterday that he deleted 8 regulations for each new one he signed ... Democrats helped him remove some of those very financial regulations too
So what would this count as?
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On December 11 2019 01:39 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2019 01:32 GreenHorizons wrote:On December 11 2019 01:14 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:Two articles of impeachment unveiled. They seem to be something that will make the GOP looks really bad to a lot of swing voters, showing they don't care for the constitution and are just riding this whole partisan bullshit train until it heads for the cliff. House Democrats unveiled two articles of impeachment against President Trump on Tuesday morning, charging him with abuse of power in the Ukraine affair and obstruction of Congress.
The announcement came 77 days after the House launched a formal inquiry into Trump's freezing of assistance to Ukraine and request to investigate his political rival. It marked only the fourth time in U.S. history that articles of impeachment have been introduced against a president.
Judiciary Committee Chairman Jerry Nadler, D-N.Y., said Trump "consistently puts himself above the country" and the president's actions in the Ukraine affair left the House with no choice but to resort to the remedy prescribed in the Constitution for the most egregious wrongdoing by a president.
"We must be clear: No one — not even the president — is above the law," he said.
After it completes work on the articles, the Judiciary Committee is expected to send them to the full House for a vote on whether to impeach the president. Democrats control the majority.
If the chamber votes to impeach Trump, that would trigger a trial in the Senate — which is controlled by Trump's allies. Republicans in the upper chamber are expected to acquit Trump and permit him to keep his office.
The president wrote on Twitter that he rejected the premise of Democrats' case — he did not "pressure" his Ukrainian counterpart, Trump argued.
Nadler just said that I “pressured Ukraine to interfere in our 2020 Election.” Ridiculous, and he knows that is not true. Both the President & Foreign Minister of Ukraine said, many times, that there “WAS NO PRESSURE.” Nadler and the Dems know this, but refuse to acknowledge!
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) December 10, 2019
Trump's campaign said separately on Tuesday that impeachment represented a craven attempt by Democrats to sabotage the election because House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and her members are worried that none of their presidential candidates can defeat Trump in the election next year. Source They didn't really unveil articles of impeachment (notice there are no articles) they announced what they wanted to limit the debate in the committee to for a potential vote on articles of impeachment in committee and provided they make it out of committee, put it to a vote in front of the full House to see if they can send it to the Senate. On December 11 2019 01:32 Erasme wrote:On December 10 2019 21:58 Biff The Understudy wrote:On December 10 2019 21:52 iamthedave wrote:On December 10 2019 17:24 GreenHorizons wrote:On December 10 2019 08:31 Wombat_NI wrote:On December 10 2019 08:20 Mohdoo wrote:On December 10 2019 08:02 Wombat_NI wrote:On December 10 2019 06:49 zenist wrote:
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One thing for sure, is that people are working and getting paid.
All that matters. What Kwak said above. As per my specific anecdote, our stocks tend to go up when we announce job cuts or basically anything that is bad for the workforce. Good stock performance usually reflects well on end of year bonuses, but that is yet another example of something that only improves the lives of people who are already doing just fine. People who are paid inadequate wages don't usually even get bonuses. What’s a bonus? I heard bankers got some huge ones for nearly obliterating the global economy. I'm led to believe they learned their lesson, though. I think it's unlikely. Obama's banking reform was a huge step in the right direction, but with Johnson in a UK freed from EU regulation and the GOP in power, I think the chances it goes full clowntown casino shitshow in a near future are quite high. Considering Trump boasted yesterday that he deleted 8 regulations for each new one he signed ... Democrats helped him remove some of those very financial regulations too So what would this count as?
A draft (limiting the scope of the debate). Those weren't in any of the articles initially or handed out like the printout of the USMCA stuff that they talked about after, they did add them in updates (after your post and before mine) though.
After it finalizes the articles, the Judiciary Committee is expected to send them to the full House for a vote on whether to impeach.
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On December 11 2019 01:32 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2019 01:14 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:Two articles of impeachment unveiled. They seem to be something that will make the GOP looks really bad to a lot of swing voters, showing they don't care for the constitution and are just riding this whole partisan bullshit train until it heads for the cliff. House Democrats unveiled two articles of impeachment against President Trump on Tuesday morning, charging him with abuse of power in the Ukraine affair and obstruction of Congress.
The announcement came 77 days after the House launched a formal inquiry into Trump's freezing of assistance to Ukraine and request to investigate his political rival. It marked only the fourth time in U.S. history that articles of impeachment have been introduced against a president.
Judiciary Committee Chairman Jerry Nadler, D-N.Y., said Trump "consistently puts himself above the country" and the president's actions in the Ukraine affair left the House with no choice but to resort to the remedy prescribed in the Constitution for the most egregious wrongdoing by a president.
"We must be clear: No one — not even the president — is above the law," he said.
After it completes work on the articles, the Judiciary Committee is expected to send them to the full House for a vote on whether to impeach the president. Democrats control the majority.
If the chamber votes to impeach Trump, that would trigger a trial in the Senate — which is controlled by Trump's allies. Republicans in the upper chamber are expected to acquit Trump and permit him to keep his office.
The president wrote on Twitter that he rejected the premise of Democrats' case — he did not "pressure" his Ukrainian counterpart, Trump argued.
Nadler just said that I “pressured Ukraine to interfere in our 2020 Election.” Ridiculous, and he knows that is not true. Both the President & Foreign Minister of Ukraine said, many times, that there “WAS NO PRESSURE.” Nadler and the Dems know this, but refuse to acknowledge!
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) December 10, 2019
Trump's campaign said separately on Tuesday that impeachment represented a craven attempt by Democrats to sabotage the election because House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and her members are worried that none of their presidential candidates can defeat Trump in the election next year. Source They didn't really unveil articles of impeachment (notice there are no articles EDIT: A draft was added in an update) they announced what they wanted to limit the debate in the committee to for a potential vote on articles of impeachment in committee and provided they make it out of committee, put it to a vote in front of the full House to see if they can send it to the Senate. Show nested quote +On December 11 2019 01:32 Erasme wrote:On December 10 2019 21:58 Biff The Understudy wrote:On December 10 2019 21:52 iamthedave wrote:On December 10 2019 17:24 GreenHorizons wrote:On December 10 2019 08:31 Wombat_NI wrote:On December 10 2019 08:20 Mohdoo wrote:On December 10 2019 08:02 Wombat_NI wrote:On December 10 2019 06:49 zenist wrote:On December 09 2019 20:37 Wombat_NI wrote:
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How much of that is really attributable to Trump and his policies specifically though?
But yeah point taken. A lot of people don’t care for the economy in an abstract sense, much less the stock market, it’s how those things interact with their lives and what they value.
As an employee my selling strategy for my company stocks is when I get wind of some scheme that I think is a terrible idea, wait until it’s announced publicly and then sell shortly after and I usually get a nice bump. Not a particularly subtle strategy, if something is going to be bad for employees it almost certainly gets investors hard because their interests are not aligned. One thing for sure, is that people are working and getting paid. All that matters. What Kwak said above. As per my specific anecdote, our stocks tend to go up when we announce job cuts or basically anything that is bad for the workforce. Good stock performance usually reflects well on end of year bonuses, but that is yet another example of something that only improves the lives of people who are already doing just fine. People who are paid inadequate wages don't usually even get bonuses. What’s a bonus? I heard bankers got some huge ones for nearly obliterating the global economy. I'm led to believe they learned their lesson, though. I think it's unlikely. Obama's banking reform was a huge step in the right direction, but with Johnson in a UK freed from EU regulation and the GOP in power, I think the chances it goes full clowntown casino shitshow in a near future are quite high. Considering Trump boasted yesterday that he deleted 8 regulations for each new one he signed ... Democrats helped him remove some of those very financial regulations too
https://theintercept.com/2018/11/10/dodd-frank-deregulation-midterms-2018/
And they lost their seats.
I still and will never understand why the US decided to make corruption legal.
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On December 11 2019 01:44 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2019 01:39 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:On December 11 2019 01:32 GreenHorizons wrote:On December 11 2019 01:14 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:Two articles of impeachment unveiled. They seem to be something that will make the GOP looks really bad to a lot of swing voters, showing they don't care for the constitution and are just riding this whole partisan bullshit train until it heads for the cliff. House Democrats unveiled two articles of impeachment against President Trump on Tuesday morning, charging him with abuse of power in the Ukraine affair and obstruction of Congress.
The announcement came 77 days after the House launched a formal inquiry into Trump's freezing of assistance to Ukraine and request to investigate his political rival. It marked only the fourth time in U.S. history that articles of impeachment have been introduced against a president.
Judiciary Committee Chairman Jerry Nadler, D-N.Y., said Trump "consistently puts himself above the country" and the president's actions in the Ukraine affair left the House with no choice but to resort to the remedy prescribed in the Constitution for the most egregious wrongdoing by a president.
"We must be clear: No one — not even the president — is above the law," he said.
After it completes work on the articles, the Judiciary Committee is expected to send them to the full House for a vote on whether to impeach the president. Democrats control the majority.
If the chamber votes to impeach Trump, that would trigger a trial in the Senate — which is controlled by Trump's allies. Republicans in the upper chamber are expected to acquit Trump and permit him to keep his office.
The president wrote on Twitter that he rejected the premise of Democrats' case — he did not "pressure" his Ukrainian counterpart, Trump argued.
Nadler just said that I “pressured Ukraine to interfere in our 2020 Election.” Ridiculous, and he knows that is not true. Both the President & Foreign Minister of Ukraine said, many times, that there “WAS NO PRESSURE.” Nadler and the Dems know this, but refuse to acknowledge!
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) December 10, 2019
Trump's campaign said separately on Tuesday that impeachment represented a craven attempt by Democrats to sabotage the election because House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and her members are worried that none of their presidential candidates can defeat Trump in the election next year. Source They didn't really unveil articles of impeachment (notice there are no articles) they announced what they wanted to limit the debate in the committee to for a potential vote on articles of impeachment in committee and provided they make it out of committee, put it to a vote in front of the full House to see if they can send it to the Senate. On December 11 2019 01:32 Erasme wrote:On December 10 2019 21:58 Biff The Understudy wrote:On December 10 2019 21:52 iamthedave wrote:On December 10 2019 17:24 GreenHorizons wrote:On December 10 2019 08:31 Wombat_NI wrote:On December 10 2019 08:20 Mohdoo wrote:On December 10 2019 08:02 Wombat_NI wrote:
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What Kwak said above.
As per my specific anecdote, our stocks tend to go up when we announce job cuts or basically anything that is bad for the workforce.
Good stock performance usually reflects well on end of year bonuses, but that is yet another example of something that only improves the lives of people who are already doing just fine. People who are paid inadequate wages don't usually even get bonuses. What’s a bonus? I heard bankers got some huge ones for nearly obliterating the global economy. I'm led to believe they learned their lesson, though. I think it's unlikely. Obama's banking reform was a huge step in the right direction, but with Johnson in a UK freed from EU regulation and the GOP in power, I think the chances it goes full clowntown casino shitshow in a near future are quite high. Considering Trump boasted yesterday that he deleted 8 regulations for each new one he signed ... Democrats helped him remove some of those very financial regulations too So what would this count as? A draft (limiting the scope of the debate). Those weren't in any of the articles initially or handed out like the printout of the USMCA stuff that they talked about after, they did add them in updates (after your post and before mine) though. Show nested quote +After it finalizes the articles, the Judiciary Committee is expected to send them to the full House for a vote on whether to impeach.
Are they articles? Because they look like articles. Whether they're a draft or the final version, they are still articles.
What were you trying to get at anyway?
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On December 11 2019 01:56 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2019 01:44 GreenHorizons wrote:On December 11 2019 01:39 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:On December 11 2019 01:32 GreenHorizons wrote:On December 11 2019 01:14 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:Two articles of impeachment unveiled. They seem to be something that will make the GOP looks really bad to a lot of swing voters, showing they don't care for the constitution and are just riding this whole partisan bullshit train until it heads for the cliff. House Democrats unveiled two articles of impeachment against President Trump on Tuesday morning, charging him with abuse of power in the Ukraine affair and obstruction of Congress.
The announcement came 77 days after the House launched a formal inquiry into Trump's freezing of assistance to Ukraine and request to investigate his political rival. It marked only the fourth time in U.S. history that articles of impeachment have been introduced against a president.
Judiciary Committee Chairman Jerry Nadler, D-N.Y., said Trump "consistently puts himself above the country" and the president's actions in the Ukraine affair left the House with no choice but to resort to the remedy prescribed in the Constitution for the most egregious wrongdoing by a president.
"We must be clear: No one — not even the president — is above the law," he said.
After it completes work on the articles, the Judiciary Committee is expected to send them to the full House for a vote on whether to impeach the president. Democrats control the majority.
If the chamber votes to impeach Trump, that would trigger a trial in the Senate — which is controlled by Trump's allies. Republicans in the upper chamber are expected to acquit Trump and permit him to keep his office.
The president wrote on Twitter that he rejected the premise of Democrats' case — he did not "pressure" his Ukrainian counterpart, Trump argued.
Nadler just said that I “pressured Ukraine to interfere in our 2020 Election.” Ridiculous, and he knows that is not true. Both the President & Foreign Minister of Ukraine said, many times, that there “WAS NO PRESSURE.” Nadler and the Dems know this, but refuse to acknowledge!
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) December 10, 2019
Trump's campaign said separately on Tuesday that impeachment represented a craven attempt by Democrats to sabotage the election because House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and her members are worried that none of their presidential candidates can defeat Trump in the election next year. Source They didn't really unveil articles of impeachment (notice there are no articles) they announced what they wanted to limit the debate in the committee to for a potential vote on articles of impeachment in committee and provided they make it out of committee, put it to a vote in front of the full House to see if they can send it to the Senate. On December 11 2019 01:32 Erasme wrote:On December 10 2019 21:58 Biff The Understudy wrote:On December 10 2019 21:52 iamthedave wrote:On December 10 2019 17:24 GreenHorizons wrote:On December 10 2019 08:31 Wombat_NI wrote:On December 10 2019 08:20 Mohdoo wrote:
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Good stock performance usually reflects well on end of year bonuses, but that is yet another example of something that only improves the lives of people who are already doing just fine. People who are paid inadequate wages don't usually even get bonuses. What’s a bonus? I heard bankers got some huge ones for nearly obliterating the global economy. I'm led to believe they learned their lesson, though. I think it's unlikely. Obama's banking reform was a huge step in the right direction, but with Johnson in a UK freed from EU regulation and the GOP in power, I think the chances it goes full clowntown casino shitshow in a near future are quite high. Considering Trump boasted yesterday that he deleted 8 regulations for each new one he signed ... Democrats helped him remove some of those very financial regulations too So what would this count as? A draft (limiting the scope of the debate). Those weren't in any of the articles initially or handed out like the printout of the USMCA stuff that they talked about after, they did add them in updates (after your post and before mine) though. After it finalizes the articles, the Judiciary Committee is expected to send them to the full House for a vote on whether to impeach. Are they articles? Because they look like articles. Whether they're a draft or the final version, they are still articles. What were you trying to get at anyway?
They are a draft of articles (meant to limit debate) that could become articles of impeachment or recycled paper depending on how the week goes.
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So the two articles are the one that are going to be out to a vote in the house? When's the vote I the house? I'm interested in the timeline till the Senate, tbh even someone politically active this has dragged on for me and it's difficult to be up to date without resorting to sumeries
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On December 11 2019 04:23 semantics wrote:
So the two articles are the one that are going to be out to a vote in the house? When's the vote I the house? I'm interested in the timeline till the Senate, tbh even someone politically active this has dragged on for me and it's difficult to be up to date without resorting to sumeries
Before christmas from what i can tell
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/12/10/politics/impeachment-watch-december-9/index.html
"Washington (CNN)Democrats' anticipated announcement over articles of impeachment is the first in a series of make-or-break moments expected to come in the next two weeks as they look to impeach President Donald Trump before Christmas.
They plan to lay out their case and unveil at least two articles of impeachment Tuesday morning, one on abuse of power and the other on obstruction of Congress, according to multiple sources familiar with the matter.
They will then begin to debate them in the Judiciary Committee on Thursday, the sources said.
The planned announcement Tuesday underscores the immediacy with which Democrats have pushed their inquiry of Trump as they officially pivot from investigating the President to prepping a formal impeachment vote. It's a moment in which Democrats can't afford a misstep as they try to convince a public that's split on impeachment."
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