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On December 07 2019 07:17 Simberto wrote:
I don't think anyone here supports Biden. At least i can't recall anyone writing something to that accord.
In the primary, I absolutely don't; in the general election, I will begrudgingly vote for him as the lesser of two evils (especially since he's still wayyy better for this Supreme Court, country, and world, than Trump).
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We should clearly decide which 80 year old man ruins the free world via an arm-wrestling competition.
Fixed that for you.
The US isn't "running the free world" for quite a while now. There's no such thing as "the free world" in the first place, but if there indeed were, the US wouldn't be part of it.
The only thing the US is doing, is actively trying to set what could be perceived as "the free world" on fire. Starting from their foreign "policies" (especially in regards to Israel and China) to their ecologic record.
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On December 07 2019 08:51 Biff The Understudy wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2019 22:33 GreenHorizons wrote:On December 05 2019 21:57 Wombat_NI wrote:On December 05 2019 21:55 GreenHorizons wrote:On December 05 2019 21:46 Stratos_speAr wrote:On December 05 2019 21:33 Liquid`Drone wrote:
would she end biden and buttigieg? I haven't seen a single person remotely positive towards her running. I get that there are people, that are entirely outside any of my circles, but like.. I just don't understand how she could have any impact, aside from possibly making some democrats like, or dislike a candidate she backs, or criticizes. She'd compete with Biden but definitely wouldn't end his run. Buttigieg's base is different than Biden's no matter how badly people want to paint him as the same type of candidate. Biden can't afford to lose any more frontrunner status. It's not that she'd crater him like she did in 08 but that he can't afford to lose even 5% of his support at this point. Buttigieg's base are next gen establishment folks. Basically the "More women prison guards and defense contractors!" crowd. Haha, yeah the type to share op eds like ‘The World’s First Openly Gay Dictator’ as a sign of incremental progress. lmao yup On December 05 2019 22:13 Biff The Understudy wrote:The New York Times made an article about the torture programs of the CIA after 11/9. It made me want to both puke and cry. Here it isIt's really hard to understand how the american public is ok with that. I don't see how one that is not affected by a higher level of psychopathy can see those drawings and not feel sick. Remember when I was flipping out about Hillary seeking out Kissinger's endorsement and her supporters explained it away as politics? This also ties into Ellen defending yucking it up with Bush and Spicer dancing on TV. Which connects to the FBI building being named after the guy who systematically discredited, imprisoned, and assasinated civil rights leaders. Which ties to why impeachment is failing. You don't get to have Ellen and Bush joking around or Michelle slipping him candy and hugs while also trying to maintain outrage about his war crimes. It's at the core of why impeachment was always going to fail and the banks were never held accountable. It's obviously not strictly a partisan issue, as bipartisan support for Israel's ethnic cleansing campaign demonstrates. Yeah and in my book it's a program that was started by the republicans, and that the democrats shut down as soon as they got power. And now that the republicans are back up there, chief torturers are again in business. Torture is a red line that has been crossed by the Bush administration and that Obama restored immediately. But hey, GH is gonna do some GH and immediately jump on Killary, because.
What’s GH wrong on here?
Hillary’s courting of Kissinger, or the media now thinking George Bush is a good guy because he can paint a bit, it’s just seeking to rehabilitate people who did heinous things and to make them more palatable.
The Democrats or associated media have a better record on say, torture, but if they’re giving a pass to people who perpetrated horrendous acts who cares?
This is why so-called Bernie bros say fuck Clinton and I wouldn’t touch her with a barge pole.
Guys like Bush and Blair should be complete pariahs based on their actions, but are now treated as elder statesmen, and why should that be the case?
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On December 07 2019 07:48 Xxio wrote:Lobbyist George Nader, currently in custody for possessing child porn, was charged with eight others for "conspiring to conceal the source of excessive contributions to groups supporting Hillary Clinton’s 2016 presidential campaign, the Justice Department announced on Tuesday." Hopefully he will cooperate and reveal more corruption. Looks like it connects to Republicans and Democrats. https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/04/us/politics/george-nader-ahmad-khawaja.html
Reading about this guy is interesting. So a lebanese working as a liaison between washington/UAE/Saudi Arabia and a lobbyist for blackwater. Also was convicted of sexually abusing 10boys in Prague and served only one year. Caught again in 2019 for CP/Funneling money to hillary.
Grade A pos.
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On December 07 2019 08:51 Biff The Understudy wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2019 22:33 GreenHorizons wrote:On December 05 2019 21:57 Wombat_NI wrote:On December 05 2019 21:55 GreenHorizons wrote:On December 05 2019 21:46 Stratos_speAr wrote:On December 05 2019 21:33 Liquid`Drone wrote:
would she end biden and buttigieg? I haven't seen a single person remotely positive towards her running. I get that there are people, that are entirely outside any of my circles, but like.. I just don't understand how she could have any impact, aside from possibly making some democrats like, or dislike a candidate she backs, or criticizes. She'd compete with Biden but definitely wouldn't end his run. Buttigieg's base is different than Biden's no matter how badly people want to paint him as the same type of candidate. Biden can't afford to lose any more frontrunner status. It's not that she'd crater him like she did in 08 but that he can't afford to lose even 5% of his support at this point. Buttigieg's base are next gen establishment folks. Basically the "More women prison guards and defense contractors!" crowd. Haha, yeah the type to share op eds like ‘The World’s First Openly Gay Dictator’ as a sign of incremental progress. lmao yup On December 05 2019 22:13 Biff The Understudy wrote:The New York Times made an article about the torture programs of the CIA after 11/9. It made me want to both puke and cry. Here it isIt's really hard to understand how the american public is ok with that. I don't see how one that is not affected by a higher level of psychopathy can see those drawings and not feel sick. Remember when I was flipping out about Hillary seeking out Kissinger's endorsement and her supporters explained it away as politics? This also ties into Ellen defending yucking it up with Bush and Spicer dancing on TV. Which connects to the FBI building being named after the guy who systematically discredited, imprisoned, and assasinated civil rights leaders. Which ties to why impeachment is failing. You don't get to have Ellen and Bush joking around or Michelle slipping him candy and hugs while also trying to maintain outrage about his war crimes. It's at the core of why impeachment was always going to fail and the banks were never held accountable. It's obviously not strictly a partisan issue, as bipartisan support for Israel's ethnic cleansing campaign demonstrates. Yeah and in my book it's a program that was started by the republicans, and that the democrats shut down as soon as they got power. And now that the republicans are back up there, chief torturers are again in business. Torture is a red line that has been crossed by the Bush administration and that Obama restored immediately. But hey, GH is gonna do some GH and immediately jump on Killary, because.
See, not an American thing. That's how horrific policy is allowed.
You blame Hillary's praise and seeking out the endorsement of notorious war criminal Kissinger as Republicans fault and an unfair attack on Hillary.
Trump already had torturers on the payroll from the Obama administration, he just promoted them.
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On December 07 2019 11:01 Wombat_NI wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2019 08:51 Biff The Understudy wrote:On December 05 2019 22:33 GreenHorizons wrote:On December 05 2019 21:57 Wombat_NI wrote:On December 05 2019 21:55 GreenHorizons wrote:On December 05 2019 21:46 Stratos_speAr wrote:On December 05 2019 21:33 Liquid`Drone wrote:
would she end biden and buttigieg? I haven't seen a single person remotely positive towards her running. I get that there are people, that are entirely outside any of my circles, but like.. I just don't understand how she could have any impact, aside from possibly making some democrats like, or dislike a candidate she backs, or criticizes. She'd compete with Biden but definitely wouldn't end his run. Buttigieg's base is different than Biden's no matter how badly people want to paint him as the same type of candidate. Biden can't afford to lose any more frontrunner status. It's not that she'd crater him like she did in 08 but that he can't afford to lose even 5% of his support at this point. Buttigieg's base are next gen establishment folks. Basically the "More women prison guards and defense contractors!" crowd. Haha, yeah the type to share op eds like ‘The World’s First Openly Gay Dictator’ as a sign of incremental progress. lmao yup On December 05 2019 22:13 Biff The Understudy wrote:The New York Times made an article about the torture programs of the CIA after 11/9. It made me want to both puke and cry. Here it isIt's really hard to understand how the american public is ok with that. I don't see how one that is not affected by a higher level of psychopathy can see those drawings and not feel sick. Remember when I was flipping out about Hillary seeking out Kissinger's endorsement and her supporters explained it away as politics? This also ties into Ellen defending yucking it up with Bush and Spicer dancing on TV. Which connects to the FBI building being named after the guy who systematically discredited, imprisoned, and assasinated civil rights leaders. Which ties to why impeachment is failing. You don't get to have Ellen and Bush joking around or Michelle slipping him candy and hugs while also trying to maintain outrage about his war crimes. It's at the core of why impeachment was always going to fail and the banks were never held accountable. It's obviously not strictly a partisan issue, as bipartisan support for Israel's ethnic cleansing campaign demonstrates. Yeah and in my book it's a program that was started by the republicans, and that the democrats shut down as soon as they got power. And now that the republicans are back up there, chief torturers are again in business. Torture is a red line that has been crossed by the Bush administration and that Obama restored immediately. But hey, GH is gonna do some GH and immediately jump on Killary, because. What’s GH wrong on here? Hillary’s courting of Kissinger, or the media now thinking George Bush is a good guy because he can paint a bit, it’s just seeking to rehabilitate people who did heinous things and to make them more palatable. The Democrats or associated media have a better record on say, torture, but if they’re giving a pass to people who perpetrated horrendous acts who cares? This is why so-called Bernie bros say fuck Clinton and I wouldn’t touch her with a barge pole. Guys like Bush and Blair should be complete pariahs based on their actions, but are now treated as elder statesmen, and why should that be the case?
Not to mention media outlets suddenly looking kindly upon former Bush administration advisors/Fox News people like Bill Kristol just because they are vocal critics of Trump. That dude is on MSNBC frequently now, and has popped up on CNN once in a while too.
It's been clear for a while now that mainstream media is more than happy to whitewash/ignore the actions of people if they think those people will bring in viewership. Just look at Sean Spicer. That dude should have been a pariah after what he did in the Trump administration but instead he was now featured on a prime-time ABC show until just recently. It's pretty disgusting.
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On December 08 2019 02:27 Ben... wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2019 11:01 Wombat_NI wrote:On December 07 2019 08:51 Biff The Understudy wrote:On December 05 2019 22:33 GreenHorizons wrote:On December 05 2019 21:57 Wombat_NI wrote:On December 05 2019 21:55 GreenHorizons wrote:On December 05 2019 21:46 Stratos_speAr wrote:On December 05 2019 21:33 Liquid`Drone wrote:
would she end biden and buttigieg? I haven't seen a single person remotely positive towards her running. I get that there are people, that are entirely outside any of my circles, but like.. I just don't understand how she could have any impact, aside from possibly making some democrats like, or dislike a candidate she backs, or criticizes. She'd compete with Biden but definitely wouldn't end his run. Buttigieg's base is different than Biden's no matter how badly people want to paint him as the same type of candidate. Biden can't afford to lose any more frontrunner status. It's not that she'd crater him like she did in 08 but that he can't afford to lose even 5% of his support at this point. Buttigieg's base are next gen establishment folks. Basically the "More women prison guards and defense contractors!" crowd. Haha, yeah the type to share op eds like ‘The World’s First Openly Gay Dictator’ as a sign of incremental progress. lmao yup On December 05 2019 22:13 Biff The Understudy wrote:The New York Times made an article about the torture programs of the CIA after 11/9. It made me want to both puke and cry. Here it isIt's really hard to understand how the american public is ok with that. I don't see how one that is not affected by a higher level of psychopathy can see those drawings and not feel sick. Remember when I was flipping out about Hillary seeking out Kissinger's endorsement and her supporters explained it away as politics? This also ties into Ellen defending yucking it up with Bush and Spicer dancing on TV. Which connects to the FBI building being named after the guy who systematically discredited, imprisoned, and assasinated civil rights leaders. Which ties to why impeachment is failing. You don't get to have Ellen and Bush joking around or Michelle slipping him candy and hugs while also trying to maintain outrage about his war crimes. It's at the core of why impeachment was always going to fail and the banks were never held accountable. It's obviously not strictly a partisan issue, as bipartisan support for Israel's ethnic cleansing campaign demonstrates. Yeah and in my book it's a program that was started by the republicans, and that the democrats shut down as soon as they got power. And now that the republicans are back up there, chief torturers are again in business. Torture is a red line that has been crossed by the Bush administration and that Obama restored immediately. But hey, GH is gonna do some GH and immediately jump on Killary, because. What’s GH wrong on here? Hillary’s courting of Kissinger, or the media now thinking George Bush is a good guy because he can paint a bit, it’s just seeking to rehabilitate people who did heinous things and to make them more palatable. The Democrats or associated media have a better record on say, torture, but if they’re giving a pass to people who perpetrated horrendous acts who cares? This is why so-called Bernie bros say fuck Clinton and I wouldn’t touch her with a barge pole. Guys like Bush and Blair should be complete pariahs based on their actions, but are now treated as elder statesmen, and why should that be the case? Not to mention media outlets suddenly looking kindly upon former Bush administration advisors/Fox News people like Bill Kristol just because they are vocal critics of Trump. That dude is on MSNBC frequently now, and has popped up on CNN once in a while too. It's been clear for a while now that mainstream media is more than happy to whitewash/ignore the actions of people if they think those people will bring in viewership. Just look at Sean Spicer. That dude should have been a pariah after what he did in the Trump administration but instead he was now featured on a prime-time ABC show until just recently. It's pretty disgusting.
It's not just the media (obviously if they do it for viewership) or very recent. I've written variations of your post several times going back nearly 2 years at a glance, so I'm reasonably familiar.
It's fair he'd get some focus as president, but the problems he's amplifying and uncovering within our system aren't born of him and won't die when he's gone. Especially so long as every and all of these problems are always contextualized around Trump exclusively. To the point where people are just erasing huge parts of the past to justify welcoming shitbags like Bill Kristol or the FBI to the #Resistance if it means scoring points against Trump.
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On December 08 2019 03:24 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2019 02:27 Ben... wrote:On December 07 2019 11:01 Wombat_NI wrote:On December 07 2019 08:51 Biff The Understudy wrote:On December 05 2019 22:33 GreenHorizons wrote:On December 05 2019 21:57 Wombat_NI wrote:On December 05 2019 21:55 GreenHorizons wrote:On December 05 2019 21:46 Stratos_speAr wrote:On December 05 2019 21:33 Liquid`Drone wrote:
would she end biden and buttigieg? I haven't seen a single person remotely positive towards her running. I get that there are people, that are entirely outside any of my circles, but like.. I just don't understand how she could have any impact, aside from possibly making some democrats like, or dislike a candidate she backs, or criticizes. She'd compete with Biden but definitely wouldn't end his run. Buttigieg's base is different than Biden's no matter how badly people want to paint him as the same type of candidate. Biden can't afford to lose any more frontrunner status. It's not that she'd crater him like she did in 08 but that he can't afford to lose even 5% of his support at this point. Buttigieg's base are next gen establishment folks. Basically the "More women prison guards and defense contractors!" crowd. Haha, yeah the type to share op eds like ‘The World’s First Openly Gay Dictator’ as a sign of incremental progress. lmao yup On December 05 2019 22:13 Biff The Understudy wrote:The New York Times made an article about the torture programs of the CIA after 11/9. It made me want to both puke and cry. Here it isIt's really hard to understand how the american public is ok with that. I don't see how one that is not affected by a higher level of psychopathy can see those drawings and not feel sick. Remember when I was flipping out about Hillary seeking out Kissinger's endorsement and her supporters explained it away as politics? This also ties into Ellen defending yucking it up with Bush and Spicer dancing on TV. Which connects to the FBI building being named after the guy who systematically discredited, imprisoned, and assasinated civil rights leaders. Which ties to why impeachment is failing. You don't get to have Ellen and Bush joking around or Michelle slipping him candy and hugs while also trying to maintain outrage about his war crimes. It's at the core of why impeachment was always going to fail and the banks were never held accountable. It's obviously not strictly a partisan issue, as bipartisan support for Israel's ethnic cleansing campaign demonstrates. Yeah and in my book it's a program that was started by the republicans, and that the democrats shut down as soon as they got power. And now that the republicans are back up there, chief torturers are again in business. Torture is a red line that has been crossed by the Bush administration and that Obama restored immediately. But hey, GH is gonna do some GH and immediately jump on Killary, because. What’s GH wrong on here? Hillary’s courting of Kissinger, or the media now thinking George Bush is a good guy because he can paint a bit, it’s just seeking to rehabilitate people who did heinous things and to make them more palatable. The Democrats or associated media have a better record on say, torture, but if they’re giving a pass to people who perpetrated horrendous acts who cares? This is why so-called Bernie bros say fuck Clinton and I wouldn’t touch her with a barge pole. Guys like Bush and Blair should be complete pariahs based on their actions, but are now treated as elder statesmen, and why should that be the case? Not to mention media outlets suddenly looking kindly upon former Bush administration advisors/Fox News people like Bill Kristol just because they are vocal critics of Trump. That dude is on MSNBC frequently now, and has popped up on CNN once in a while too. It's been clear for a while now that mainstream media is more than happy to whitewash/ignore the actions of people if they think those people will bring in viewership. Just look at Sean Spicer. That dude should have been a pariah after what he did in the Trump administration but instead he was now featured on a prime-time ABC show until just recently. It's pretty disgusting. It's not just the media (obviously if they do it for viewership) or very recent. I've written variations of your post several times going back nearly 2 years at a glance, so I'm reasonably familiar. Show nested quote +It's fair he'd get some focus as president, but the problems he's amplifying and uncovering within our system aren't born of him and won't die when he's gone. Especially so long as every and all of these problems are always contextualized around Trump exclusively. To the point where people are just erasing huge parts of the past to justify welcoming shitbags like Bill Kristol or the FBI to the #Resistance if it means scoring points against Trump. tl.net
Yeah, I think we're generally in agreement about this topic.
Bill Kristol just came to mind because he was literally on Ari Melber's show yesterday and he's been popping up again with increasing regularity on MSNBC the last month or two.
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On December 08 2019 03:31 Ben... wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2019 03:24 GreenHorizons wrote:On December 08 2019 02:27 Ben... wrote:On December 07 2019 11:01 Wombat_NI wrote:On December 07 2019 08:51 Biff The Understudy wrote:On December 05 2019 22:33 GreenHorizons wrote:On December 05 2019 21:57 Wombat_NI wrote:On December 05 2019 21:55 GreenHorizons wrote:On December 05 2019 21:46 Stratos_speAr wrote:On December 05 2019 21:33 Liquid`Drone wrote:
would she end biden and buttigieg? I haven't seen a single person remotely positive towards her running. I get that there are people, that are entirely outside any of my circles, but like.. I just don't understand how she could have any impact, aside from possibly making some democrats like, or dislike a candidate she backs, or criticizes. She'd compete with Biden but definitely wouldn't end his run. Buttigieg's base is different than Biden's no matter how badly people want to paint him as the same type of candidate. Biden can't afford to lose any more frontrunner status. It's not that she'd crater him like she did in 08 but that he can't afford to lose even 5% of his support at this point. Buttigieg's base are next gen establishment folks. Basically the "More women prison guards and defense contractors!" crowd. Haha, yeah the type to share op eds like ‘The World’s First Openly Gay Dictator’ as a sign of incremental progress. lmao yup On December 05 2019 22:13 Biff The Understudy wrote:The New York Times made an article about the torture programs of the CIA after 11/9. It made me want to both puke and cry. Here it isIt's really hard to understand how the american public is ok with that. I don't see how one that is not affected by a higher level of psychopathy can see those drawings and not feel sick. Remember when I was flipping out about Hillary seeking out Kissinger's endorsement and her supporters explained it away as politics? This also ties into Ellen defending yucking it up with Bush and Spicer dancing on TV. Which connects to the FBI building being named after the guy who systematically discredited, imprisoned, and assasinated civil rights leaders. Which ties to why impeachment is failing. You don't get to have Ellen and Bush joking around or Michelle slipping him candy and hugs while also trying to maintain outrage about his war crimes. It's at the core of why impeachment was always going to fail and the banks were never held accountable. It's obviously not strictly a partisan issue, as bipartisan support for Israel's ethnic cleansing campaign demonstrates. Yeah and in my book it's a program that was started by the republicans, and that the democrats shut down as soon as they got power. And now that the republicans are back up there, chief torturers are again in business. Torture is a red line that has been crossed by the Bush administration and that Obama restored immediately. But hey, GH is gonna do some GH and immediately jump on Killary, because. What’s GH wrong on here? Hillary’s courting of Kissinger, or the media now thinking George Bush is a good guy because he can paint a bit, it’s just seeking to rehabilitate people who did heinous things and to make them more palatable. The Democrats or associated media have a better record on say, torture, but if they’re giving a pass to people who perpetrated horrendous acts who cares? This is why so-called Bernie bros say fuck Clinton and I wouldn’t touch her with a barge pole. Guys like Bush and Blair should be complete pariahs based on their actions, but are now treated as elder statesmen, and why should that be the case? Not to mention media outlets suddenly looking kindly upon former Bush administration advisors/Fox News people like Bill Kristol just because they are vocal critics of Trump. That dude is on MSNBC frequently now, and has popped up on CNN once in a while too. It's been clear for a while now that mainstream media is more than happy to whitewash/ignore the actions of people if they think those people will bring in viewership. Just look at Sean Spicer. That dude should have been a pariah after what he did in the Trump administration but instead he was now featured on a prime-time ABC show until just recently. It's pretty disgusting. It's not just the media (obviously if they do it for viewership) or very recent. I've written variations of your post several times going back nearly 2 years at a glance, so I'm reasonably familiar. It's fair he'd get some focus as president, but the problems he's amplifying and uncovering within our system aren't born of him and won't die when he's gone. Especially so long as every and all of these problems are always contextualized around Trump exclusively. To the point where people are just erasing huge parts of the past to justify welcoming shitbags like Bill Kristol or the FBI to the #Resistance if it means scoring points against Trump. tl.net Yeah, I think we're generally in agreement about this topic. Bill Kristol just came to mind because he was literally on Ari Melber's show yesterday and he's been popping up again with increasing regularity on MSNBC the last month or two.
My personal favorite "in your face" example was Nicole Wallace actually sitting in for Rachel Maddow on her show. That was chef kiss level "our viewers are idiots" bravado imo.
Same goes for publications like the NYT, WaPo, etc... They post information and you can find decent reporting at any of them but they are all guilty of this same type of stuff and voters are eventually going to have to confront what that means about the way they frame even their factual reporting/commentary.
Then what that means to both their understanding of politics and the dynamics at play.
Then maybe, just maybe, want to know a little bit more about class consciousness.
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On December 07 2019 07:59 Belisarius wrote:
We should clearly decide which 80 year old man runs the free world via an arm-wrestling competition.
It's probably fairer than the current US electoral process anyway.
If it came down to that ... I'd support Biden lol. Unless there was a mcdonalds big mack and fries on a table in trump's view behind Biden during the arm wrestling... I don't think trump would stand a chance.
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On December 07 2019 07:22 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2019 07:14 iamthedave wrote:On December 07 2019 04:59 Mohdoo wrote:On December 07 2019 04:31 Xxio wrote:On December 06 2019 22:36 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:Biden's ' No Malarkey' tour kicked off in Iowa with him telling an 84 year old farmer "let’s do pushups together here, man. Let’s run. Let’s do whatever you want to do. Let’s take an IQ test. OK?". Biden is comedy gold, if that ain't malarkey then what is? He's still the frontrunner, somehow.Warren collapsing on RCP poll averages. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/dec/05/joe-biden-iowa-voter-fat I wonder if the DNC will turn away from him. The "gaffs" are adding up and attracting attention. I'd like to see more of this from Biden, just done better. He was great up until the point where he asked about an IQ test. Keep it strictly to bravado, no need for the iamverysmart. I mean... really? If this rates positively on the meter, this election is gonna be a traaaaaaaaainwreck. I don't see the sense behind anyone on here supporting Biden at all. I can see the electoral logic for the less informed, but everyone on here must know Trump will crush Biden like a paper cup and toss him in the trash. He's Trump's perfect kind of opponent. I'm far from pro-Biden, but the general electorate is sub-garbage and they really like shows of strength and masculinity. Imagine being someone who thinks it is a good thing to buy a truck without working in construction or some other profession that uses a truck. That's who is voting. That is why Biden doing shit like this is a good thing is he gets the nomination.
I think if it's Biden, there's 80-90% chance trump gets reelected and we're fucked... along with the world.
People wanted real change, and Biden represents the norm. People say that now back to the norm is all we want, but I don't believe people really want things to keep going this way... it's unsustainable. If trump wins, I'll seriously consider leaving the country, if Biden wins... I will also seriously consider it... because nothing will really get better here.
Wages will still be shit, healthcare shit, housing will eventually crash... nothing here is sustainable unless you are already rich... It's all kind of a mess waiting to fall apart. Who would want to have a kid here with the gun problem in schools? Or even bring a kid into the world when we don't seriously do anything about climate change?
I think the only real chance we have is with Bernie, and if he wasn't getting blacked out by the media sooo much, I think the nominee would be him, hands down. They have to suppress him to get some corporate asshole in his place.
It should be Bernie, and the slogan should be "real change." Warren also stands a chance is she just rallies with Bernie and stops trying to straddle the fence.
Edit: Keeping that in mind I will 1,000% back and vote for any dem over that asshole trump... or any repub.
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On December 08 2019 04:31 ShambhalaWar wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2019 07:22 Mohdoo wrote:On December 07 2019 07:14 iamthedave wrote:On December 07 2019 04:59 Mohdoo wrote:On December 07 2019 04:31 Xxio wrote:On December 06 2019 22:36 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:Biden's ' No Malarkey' tour kicked off in Iowa with him telling an 84 year old farmer "let’s do pushups together here, man. Let’s run. Let’s do whatever you want to do. Let’s take an IQ test. OK?". Biden is comedy gold, if that ain't malarkey then what is? He's still the frontrunner, somehow.Warren collapsing on RCP poll averages. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/dec/05/joe-biden-iowa-voter-fat I wonder if the DNC will turn away from him. The "gaffs" are adding up and attracting attention. I'd like to see more of this from Biden, just done better. He was great up until the point where he asked about an IQ test. Keep it strictly to bravado, no need for the iamverysmart. I mean... really? If this rates positively on the meter, this election is gonna be a traaaaaaaaainwreck. I don't see the sense behind anyone on here supporting Biden at all. I can see the electoral logic for the less informed, but everyone on here must know Trump will crush Biden like a paper cup and toss him in the trash. He's Trump's perfect kind of opponent. I'm far from pro-Biden, but the general electorate is sub-garbage and they really like shows of strength and masculinity. Imagine being someone who thinks it is a good thing to buy a truck without working in construction or some other profession that uses a truck. That's who is voting. That is why Biden doing shit like this is a good thing is he gets the nomination. I think if it's Biden, there's 80-90% chance trump gets reelected and we're fucked... along with the world. People wanted real change, and Biden represents the norm. People say that now back to the norm is all we want, but I don't believe people really want things to keep going this way... it's unsustainable. If trump wins, I'll seriously consider leaving the country, if Biden wins... I will also seriously consider it... because nothing will really get better here. Wages will still be shit, healthcare shit, housing will eventually crash... nothing here is sustainable unless you are already rich... It's all kind of a mess waiting to fall apart. Who would want to have a kid here with the gun problem in schools? Or even bring a kid into the world when we don't seriously do anything about climate change? I think the only real chance we have is with Bernie, and if he wasn't getting blacked out by the media sooo much, I think the nominee would be him, hands down. They have to suppress him to get some corporate asshole in his place.It should be Bernie, and the slogan should be "real change." Warren also stands a chance is she just rallies with Bernie and stops trying to straddle the fence. Edit: Keeping that in mind I will 1,000% back and vote for any dem over that asshole trump... or any repub.
Your edit is how Democrats can, have and will continue to ignore all the stuff you said before it.
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On December 07 2019 10:39 m4ini wrote:Show nested quote +We should clearly decide which 80 year old man ruins the free world via an arm-wrestling competition.
Fixed that for you. The US isn't "running the free world" for quite a while now. There's no such thing as "the free world" in the first place, but if there indeed were, the US wouldn't be part of it. The only thing the US is doing, is actively trying to set what could be perceived as "the free world" on fire. Starting from their foreign "policies" (especially in regards to Israel and China) to their ecologic record.
And if it did it would stick a price tag on it. USA don't like free.
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On December 08 2019 05:07 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2019 04:31 ShambhalaWar wrote:On December 07 2019 07:22 Mohdoo wrote:On December 07 2019 07:14 iamthedave wrote:On December 07 2019 04:59 Mohdoo wrote:On December 07 2019 04:31 Xxio wrote:On December 06 2019 22:36 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:Biden's ' No Malarkey' tour kicked off in Iowa with him telling an 84 year old farmer "let’s do pushups together here, man. Let’s run. Let’s do whatever you want to do. Let’s take an IQ test. OK?". Biden is comedy gold, if that ain't malarkey then what is? He's still the frontrunner, somehow.Warren collapsing on RCP poll averages. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/dec/05/joe-biden-iowa-voter-fat I wonder if the DNC will turn away from him. The "gaffs" are adding up and attracting attention. I'd like to see more of this from Biden, just done better. He was great up until the point where he asked about an IQ test. Keep it strictly to bravado, no need for the iamverysmart. I mean... really? If this rates positively on the meter, this election is gonna be a traaaaaaaaainwreck. I don't see the sense behind anyone on here supporting Biden at all. I can see the electoral logic for the less informed, but everyone on here must know Trump will crush Biden like a paper cup and toss him in the trash. He's Trump's perfect kind of opponent. I'm far from pro-Biden, but the general electorate is sub-garbage and they really like shows of strength and masculinity. Imagine being someone who thinks it is a good thing to buy a truck without working in construction or some other profession that uses a truck. That's who is voting. That is why Biden doing shit like this is a good thing is he gets the nomination. I think if it's Biden, there's 80-90% chance trump gets reelected and we're fucked... along with the world. People wanted real change, and Biden represents the norm. People say that now back to the norm is all we want, but I don't believe people really want things to keep going this way... it's unsustainable. If trump wins, I'll seriously consider leaving the country, if Biden wins... I will also seriously consider it... because nothing will really get better here. Wages will still be shit, healthcare shit, housing will eventually crash... nothing here is sustainable unless you are already rich... It's all kind of a mess waiting to fall apart. Who would want to have a kid here with the gun problem in schools? Or even bring a kid into the world when we don't seriously do anything about climate change? I think the only real chance we have is with Bernie, and if he wasn't getting blacked out by the media sooo much, I think the nominee would be him, hands down. They have to suppress him to get some corporate asshole in his place.It should be Bernie, and the slogan should be "real change." Warren also stands a chance is she just rallies with Bernie and stops trying to straddle the fence. Edit: Keeping that in mind I will 1,000% back and vote for any dem over that asshole trump... or any repub. Your edit is how Democrats can, have and will continue to ignore all the stuff you said before it.
I have a hard time with this because what about the kids who won't be in cages under Biden? Some kids should get raped because I want to make sure we do things right in the election after? It is a really hard thing to think about.
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On December 08 2019 04:31 ShambhalaWar wrote:
I think if it's Biden, there's 80-90% chance trump gets reelected and we're fucked... along with the world.
People wanted real change, and Biden represents the norm. People say that now back to the norm is all we want, but I don't believe people really want things to keep going this way... it's unsustainable. If trump wins, I'll seriously consider leaving the country, if Biden wins... I will also seriously consider it... because nothing will really get better here.
Wages will still be shit, healthcare shit, housing will eventually crash... nothing here is sustainable unless you are already rich... It's all kind of a mess waiting to fall apart. Who would want to have a kid here with the gun problem in schools? Or even bring a kid into the world when we don't seriously do anything about climate change?
I think the only real chance we have is with Bernie, and if he wasn't getting blacked out by the media sooo much, I think the nominee would be him, hands down. They have to suppress him to get some corporate asshole in his place.
It should be Bernie, and the slogan should be "real change." Warren also stands a chance is she just rallies with Bernie and stops trying to straddle the fence.
Edit: Keeping that in mind I will 1,000% back and vote for any dem over that asshole trump... or any repub.
Two thoughts.
I agree with you that Bernie has a better chance to appeal to the voters that count like PA, OH, MI than Biden.
Biden is far closer to Clinton in people's minds and she was historically bad there, so much that she lost the electoral college. When I listen to the enthusiasm his supporters have, I truly believe he(or the politicians who represent his ideology and have his charisma) can energize a younger, increasingly progressive base that can win elections in the coming decades, looking at 2024 and beyond. The Democratic Party is headed towards an iceberg moment where the wheat will be separated from the chaff and there will be no more room( or support perhaps) for anything other than the radically progressive agenda, whatever forms it takes. Right now though, in 2020, there are too much of the old guard, establishment democrats who will put their thumb on the scale for the democratic party of a bygone era. It's why an inept gaffe machine is the front runner of the primary and why Clinton beat Bernie.
I disagree however that a large population of the voting populace is worse off economically under Trump, and is depressed because of it. ( As a corollary from this I think Trump will win in 2020) The low-wage worker is better off under Trump by many metrics. Unemployment is extremely low, Job growth is very strong, and wage growth in the last year or two are phenomenal. + Show Spoiler +
www.cnbc.com This isn't considering the perspective from small business owners who have been helped by his massive deregulation. Are there reasons people could(should?) be dissuaded from voting from him? Sure, but I don't think the economy is a chip that the democratic nominee can play to much effect this election.
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On December 08 2019 07:32 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2019 05:07 GreenHorizons wrote:On December 08 2019 04:31 ShambhalaWar wrote:On December 07 2019 07:22 Mohdoo wrote:On December 07 2019 07:14 iamthedave wrote:On December 07 2019 04:59 Mohdoo wrote:On December 07 2019 04:31 Xxio wrote:On December 06 2019 22:36 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:Biden's ' No Malarkey' tour kicked off in Iowa with him telling an 84 year old farmer "let’s do pushups together here, man. Let’s run. Let’s do whatever you want to do. Let’s take an IQ test. OK?". Biden is comedy gold, if that ain't malarkey then what is? He's still the frontrunner, somehow.Warren collapsing on RCP poll averages. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/dec/05/joe-biden-iowa-voter-fat I wonder if the DNC will turn away from him. The "gaffs" are adding up and attracting attention. I'd like to see more of this from Biden, just done better. He was great up until the point where he asked about an IQ test. Keep it strictly to bravado, no need for the iamverysmart. I mean... really? If this rates positively on the meter, this election is gonna be a traaaaaaaaainwreck. I don't see the sense behind anyone on here supporting Biden at all. I can see the electoral logic for the less informed, but everyone on here must know Trump will crush Biden like a paper cup and toss him in the trash. He's Trump's perfect kind of opponent. I'm far from pro-Biden, but the general electorate is sub-garbage and they really like shows of strength and masculinity. Imagine being someone who thinks it is a good thing to buy a truck without working in construction or some other profession that uses a truck. That's who is voting. That is why Biden doing shit like this is a good thing is he gets the nomination. I think if it's Biden, there's 80-90% chance trump gets reelected and we're fucked... along with the world. People wanted real change, and Biden represents the norm. People say that now back to the norm is all we want, but I don't believe people really want things to keep going this way... it's unsustainable. If trump wins, I'll seriously consider leaving the country, if Biden wins... I will also seriously consider it... because nothing will really get better here. Wages will still be shit, healthcare shit, housing will eventually crash... nothing here is sustainable unless you are already rich... It's all kind of a mess waiting to fall apart. Who would want to have a kid here with the gun problem in schools? Or even bring a kid into the world when we don't seriously do anything about climate change? I think the only real chance we have is with Bernie, and if he wasn't getting blacked out by the media sooo much, I think the nominee would be him, hands down. They have to suppress him to get some corporate asshole in his place.It should be Bernie, and the slogan should be "real change." Warren also stands a chance is she just rallies with Bernie and stops trying to straddle the fence. Edit: Keeping that in mind I will 1,000% back and vote for any dem over that asshole trump... or any repub. Your edit is how Democrats can, have and will continue to ignore all the stuff you said before it. I have a hard time with this because what about the kids who won't be in cages under Biden? Some kids should get raped because I want to make sure we do things right in the election after? It is a really hard thing to think about.
They'll be caged and left to sit in their excrement under Biden too. When Trump's administration argued the kids didn't need soap or toothbrushes to be 'safe and sanitary' that was defending the government from lawsuits filed against ICE during the Obama administration.
Also we're dooming them to an uninhabitable planet with Biden.
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On December 08 2019 07:45 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2019 07:32 Mohdoo wrote:On December 08 2019 05:07 GreenHorizons wrote:On December 08 2019 04:31 ShambhalaWar wrote:On December 07 2019 07:22 Mohdoo wrote:On December 07 2019 07:14 iamthedave wrote:On December 07 2019 04:59 Mohdoo wrote:On December 07 2019 04:31 Xxio wrote:On December 06 2019 22:36 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:Biden's ' No Malarkey' tour kicked off in Iowa with him telling an 84 year old farmer "let’s do pushups together here, man. Let’s run. Let’s do whatever you want to do. Let’s take an IQ test. OK?". Biden is comedy gold, if that ain't malarkey then what is? He's still the frontrunner, somehow.Warren collapsing on RCP poll averages. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/dec/05/joe-biden-iowa-voter-fat I wonder if the DNC will turn away from him. The "gaffs" are adding up and attracting attention. I'd like to see more of this from Biden, just done better. He was great up until the point where he asked about an IQ test. Keep it strictly to bravado, no need for the iamverysmart. I mean... really? If this rates positively on the meter, this election is gonna be a traaaaaaaaainwreck. I don't see the sense behind anyone on here supporting Biden at all. I can see the electoral logic for the less informed, but everyone on here must know Trump will crush Biden like a paper cup and toss him in the trash. He's Trump's perfect kind of opponent. I'm far from pro-Biden, but the general electorate is sub-garbage and they really like shows of strength and masculinity. Imagine being someone who thinks it is a good thing to buy a truck without working in construction or some other profession that uses a truck. That's who is voting. That is why Biden doing shit like this is a good thing is he gets the nomination. I think if it's Biden, there's 80-90% chance trump gets reelected and we're fucked... along with the world. People wanted real change, and Biden represents the norm. People say that now back to the norm is all we want, but I don't believe people really want things to keep going this way... it's unsustainable. If trump wins, I'll seriously consider leaving the country, if Biden wins... I will also seriously consider it... because nothing will really get better here. Wages will still be shit, healthcare shit, housing will eventually crash... nothing here is sustainable unless you are already rich... It's all kind of a mess waiting to fall apart. Who would want to have a kid here with the gun problem in schools? Or even bring a kid into the world when we don't seriously do anything about climate change? I think the only real chance we have is with Bernie, and if he wasn't getting blacked out by the media sooo much, I think the nominee would be him, hands down. They have to suppress him to get some corporate asshole in his place.It should be Bernie, and the slogan should be "real change." Warren also stands a chance is she just rallies with Bernie and stops trying to straddle the fence. Edit: Keeping that in mind I will 1,000% back and vote for any dem over that asshole trump... or any repub. Your edit is how Democrats can, have and will continue to ignore all the stuff you said before it. I have a hard time with this because what about the kids who won't be in cages under Biden? Some kids should get raped because I want to make sure we do things right in the election after? It is a really hard thing to think about. They'll be caged and left to sit in their excrement under Biden too. When Trump's administration argued the kids didn't need soap or toothbrushes to be 'safe and sanitary' that was defending the government from lawsuits filed against ICE during the Obama administration. Also we're dooming them to an uninhabitable planet with Biden.
We’re dooming them by not giving a shit really.
It’s not really Trump that has them sitting there in squalid inhuman conditions, it’s that a sufficient portion of the population thinks it’s fine to do this, ultimately.
It’s people through active consent, support or disinterest that allow such things to be carried out in their name.
As per the post earlier about the Guantanamo torture and why the American people aren’t more outraged at what’s been done in their name.
Yeah it’s convenient to blame the ‘elites’ and just abrogate responsibility, really the populace needs to grow a moral backbone too.
Voting for Bernie would be a good start though :p
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On December 08 2019 05:07 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2019 04:31 ShambhalaWar wrote:On December 07 2019 07:22 Mohdoo wrote:On December 07 2019 07:14 iamthedave wrote:On December 07 2019 04:59 Mohdoo wrote:On December 07 2019 04:31 Xxio wrote:On December 06 2019 22:36 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:Biden's ' No Malarkey' tour kicked off in Iowa with him telling an 84 year old farmer "let’s do pushups together here, man. Let’s run. Let’s do whatever you want to do. Let’s take an IQ test. OK?". Biden is comedy gold, if that ain't malarkey then what is? He's still the frontrunner, somehow.Warren collapsing on RCP poll averages. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/dec/05/joe-biden-iowa-voter-fat I wonder if the DNC will turn away from him. The "gaffs" are adding up and attracting attention. I'd like to see more of this from Biden, just done better. He was great up until the point where he asked about an IQ test. Keep it strictly to bravado, no need for the iamverysmart. I mean... really? If this rates positively on the meter, this election is gonna be a traaaaaaaaainwreck. I don't see the sense behind anyone on here supporting Biden at all. I can see the electoral logic for the less informed, but everyone on here must know Trump will crush Biden like a paper cup and toss him in the trash. He's Trump's perfect kind of opponent. I'm far from pro-Biden, but the general electorate is sub-garbage and they really like shows of strength and masculinity. Imagine being someone who thinks it is a good thing to buy a truck without working in construction or some other profession that uses a truck. That's who is voting. That is why Biden doing shit like this is a good thing is he gets the nomination. I think if it's Biden, there's 80-90% chance trump gets reelected and we're fucked... along with the world. People wanted real change, and Biden represents the norm. People say that now back to the norm is all we want, but I don't believe people really want things to keep going this way... it's unsustainable. If trump wins, I'll seriously consider leaving the country, if Biden wins... I will also seriously consider it... because nothing will really get better here. Wages will still be shit, healthcare shit, housing will eventually crash... nothing here is sustainable unless you are already rich... It's all kind of a mess waiting to fall apart. Who would want to have a kid here with the gun problem in schools? Or even bring a kid into the world when we don't seriously do anything about climate change? I think the only real chance we have is with Bernie, and if he wasn't getting blacked out by the media sooo much, I think the nominee would be him, hands down. They have to suppress him to get some corporate asshole in his place.It should be Bernie, and the slogan should be "real change." Warren also stands a chance is she just rallies with Bernie and stops trying to straddle the fence. Edit: Keeping that in mind I will 1,000% back and vote for any dem over that asshole trump... or any repub. Your edit is how Democrats can, have and will continue to ignore all the stuff you said before it.
I don't really think that's true to be honest.
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On December 08 2019 08:34 Nebuchad wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2019 05:07 GreenHorizons wrote:On December 08 2019 04:31 ShambhalaWar wrote:On December 07 2019 07:22 Mohdoo wrote:On December 07 2019 07:14 iamthedave wrote:On December 07 2019 04:59 Mohdoo wrote:On December 07 2019 04:31 Xxio wrote:On December 06 2019 22:36 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:Biden's ' No Malarkey' tour kicked off in Iowa with him telling an 84 year old farmer "let’s do pushups together here, man. Let’s run. Let’s do whatever you want to do. Let’s take an IQ test. OK?". Biden is comedy gold, if that ain't malarkey then what is? He's still the frontrunner, somehow.Warren collapsing on RCP poll averages. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/dec/05/joe-biden-iowa-voter-fat I wonder if the DNC will turn away from him. The "gaffs" are adding up and attracting attention. I'd like to see more of this from Biden, just done better. He was great up until the point where he asked about an IQ test. Keep it strictly to bravado, no need for the iamverysmart. I mean... really? If this rates positively on the meter, this election is gonna be a traaaaaaaaainwreck. I don't see the sense behind anyone on here supporting Biden at all. I can see the electoral logic for the less informed, but everyone on here must know Trump will crush Biden like a paper cup and toss him in the trash. He's Trump's perfect kind of opponent. I'm far from pro-Biden, but the general electorate is sub-garbage and they really like shows of strength and masculinity. Imagine being someone who thinks it is a good thing to buy a truck without working in construction or some other profession that uses a truck. That's who is voting. That is why Biden doing shit like this is a good thing is he gets the nomination. I think if it's Biden, there's 80-90% chance trump gets reelected and we're fucked... along with the world. People wanted real change, and Biden represents the norm. People say that now back to the norm is all we want, but I don't believe people really want things to keep going this way... it's unsustainable. If trump wins, I'll seriously consider leaving the country, if Biden wins... I will also seriously consider it... because nothing will really get better here. Wages will still be shit, healthcare shit, housing will eventually crash... nothing here is sustainable unless you are already rich... It's all kind of a mess waiting to fall apart. Who would want to have a kid here with the gun problem in schools? Or even bring a kid into the world when we don't seriously do anything about climate change? I think the only real chance we have is with Bernie, and if he wasn't getting blacked out by the media sooo much, I think the nominee would be him, hands down. They have to suppress him to get some corporate asshole in his place.It should be Bernie, and the slogan should be "real change." Warren also stands a chance is she just rallies with Bernie and stops trying to straddle the fence. Edit: Keeping that in mind I will 1,000% back and vote for any dem over that asshole trump... or any repub. Your edit is how Democrats can, have and will continue to ignore all the stuff you said before it. I don't really think that's true to be honest.
Is it that I didn't properly qualify the "this is how" with "a major reason" or something else to denote it alone isn't how or do you reject the argument entirely?
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