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On July 25 2019 22:50 Liquid`Drone wrote: Weird that I hadn't seen this before? (apologies if I've simply missed it)
But pretty relevant to this forum; Andrew Yang answering a question on what his favorite videogame is. + Show Spoiler +
apparently he was a protoss player
I was going to say "instant frontrunner" for playing SC, but then he had to say he played protoss. Ewwww. Trump is better than a filthy Protosser!
Fuck this now I like him a little more again ^_^
Now I know why we aren't quite sympatico politically + Show Spoiler +
Terrans are the capitalists, obv, the Good Guys (TM) Zergs are the fascists, direct threat to the universe but terrans love TvZ and would rather fight against zerg than fight against protoss. Also I hate zergs and I hate fascists it checks out ^.^ Protoss are the socialists, everyone hates them for bad reasons. Cheeses are Venezuela, "Macro protoss has never worked"...
I know my game!
Do you?
Clearly Zerg are the victims of a pernicious propaganda campaign waged against the single most egalitarian society in the universe. Not until the Terran spy Kerrigan was able to corrupt the overmind was it that Terran and Protoss found mutual benefit in subjugating the Zerg before they moved on to the rest of the remaining universe preventing the universe from reaching it's ultimate form + Show Spoiler +
(Terran and Protoss are just a buncha zealots and vultures, blind to the big picture, thinking end goal is to be a bunch of nagas imo)
On July 25 2019 01:34 Ryzel wrote: I present to the thread for your viewing pleasure (in case you missed it), the Mueller hearing and public response.
Dem Speaker: Did Trump do bad things? Mueller: Refer to the report Dem Speaker: That means Trump’s a criminal!
Dem response: Yeah! Trump got pwned! Repub response: Whatever, invalid because Mueller’s report is worthless.
Repub Speaker: Are there issues with the report? Mueller: Can’t comment on it Repub Speaker: That means report is worthless!
Repub response: Yeah! Mueller got pwned! Dem response: Whatever, invalid because Trump is a criminal and they support him.
The End
Also GH, thanks for clarification. I definitely agree that the “nominal” purpose of the checks and balances system is not being met. Do you happen to have examples of cases in which the checks and balances system specifically aided in keeping non-oligarchs out of power (the “real” purpose of the system)?
Pretty bad summary (also, the hearing is still going on).
It's important to note that a large (disturbingly large portion of the population) has not read the report, or even if they did would have a hard time interpreting the contents of it. Even members of congress did not read the entire report. Now the public can get a version of it from Mueller.
Also important to note, another large portion of the population simply just get to hear the lies told by trump (and republicans), who said (paraphrase) "the hearings went great, I'm really happy with them." (which is bullshit, trump was shitting his pants the whole time and will continue to, and then lie about it).
The hearings offer a moment for the world to see in a more "yes/no" style of information, the actual truth, which is that we were extremely compromised in our elections and to trumps favor, with trump openly inviting the influence of a hostile government.
That is on the record and openly stated.
The truth is in short supply these days, and this hearing was a formal place to air it openly.
I feel like this assessment is predicated on several assumptions that are inaccurate.
1) Your first paragraph states tons of people didn’t read the report, but now they can hear Mueller’s take on it. It’s not like these hearings went over every single iota of the report though, just several snippets of it...which have already been talked about before in many news articles. So it doesn’t really address the issue of most people not having read the report (at least, not any more than previous coverage). Mueller’s take on his own report seems irrelevant, since the text should stand for itself (as I’m sure he would agree). Not to mention that Mueller walked back an answer he had given during the hearings before they even ended, implying his own testimonial is not necessarily the be-all-end-all on the topic.
2) Your second paragraph talks about a population with several characteristics...
- They only hear lies by Trump (and presumably Fox News) about the Mueller report - They are unable or unwilling to hear news about the Mueller report by any other source (“simply just get to hear...” seems to imply no other source) - They ARE able and willing to listen in to the Mueller hearings
I’m going to flat out disagree with your statement that the population you’ve described is large and/or meaningful, on the basis that the 2nd and 3rd characteristics I’ve listed seem very unlikely to be applied simultaneously to any one person. I’m open to being proved wrong though.
3) It seems the take-away of your analysis is that the hearings were important because they demonstrated the “actual truth” in a way that previous coverage did not. What exactly about the hearings lent itself more “truth” value than previous coverage? Were all parts true? Some more than others? Was Mueller’s inability to put to rest several conspiracy theories brought up by Republicans indicative of the truth as much as his ability to affirm the Democrats? To me, it seemed like the hearings simply attached faces and sound bites to previous coverage.
I think (hopefully, though I have my doubts about the hearings effectiveness in informing the population) the report put the truth on display for the world, and in a distilled format (assuming people were willing to digest it).
For example, the truth of Russian attacks on the American elections, and more importantly that the attacks are going on right now and trump, his administration, and the vast majority of the republican party are doing NOTHING to prevent election attacks in 2020.
*The administration and republican party are actually leveraging attacks to work in their favor.
Above is a clear example of 2 instances of rejecting security plans by republicans.
After reading your comments, I think this was more the point I was trying to communicate. The attacks on our elections were one point they made, obstruction would be another... distilling these things for the population.
Again, in light of the restatement of the election attacks and the republicans blocking security measures to secure our elections...
I'm curious to hear from danglers and daunt.
What's the inspiration level for you guys right now, how inspired do you feel by your leader who refuses to secure our election systems?
Relative to the inspiration you felt from the 4th of july event (I remember how inspired you were then), how inspired do you feel now? Did you elect him to not secure our elections from attacks?
On July 26 2019 02:20 ShambhalaWar wrote: Again, in light of the restatement of the election attacks and the republicans blocking security measures to secure our elections...
I'm curious to hear from danglers and daunt.
What's the inspiration level for you guys right now, how inspired do you feel by your leader who refuses to secure our election systems?
Relative to the inspiration you felt from the 4th of july event (I remember how inspired you were then), how inspired do you feel now? Did you elect him to not secure our elections from attacks?
xDaunt is banned so your going to have to hope Danglers graces you with an answer ^^
As for your other post, the problem is will these people who don't know the truth actually see it. Because if they don't know they have been fed selective/false information sofar and what reason is there to assume the same won't happen now? The same media/twitter/whatever that fed them bullshit before is going to feed them bullshit now and they won't get the see the soundbites of actual 'truth'.
I would say the first step, and probably the most important is simply acknowledging that I have privilege, and giving up my ignorance about my privilege.
The nature of privilege is ignorance, the privileged people don't have to consider the problems other people do. So in regard to racial privilege, in acknowledging it I would think there comes some degree of commitment in calling it out when I see rather than just letting it slide because, "I'm white and it doesn't affect me."
If I'm playing a game a CSGO and I hear the N word (happens all the time), rather than just be ok with that, I can at the very least confront them on it, and report the account. There are many different versions of that... for example is I see a nazi symbol written on a wall, I can get a pen and mark over it.
Donate to a charity organization that combats racial inequality, march for black lives matter. I haven't done these latter two things, but for a lot of my black friends growing up I apologized for not believe them when we were kids, and tell them I believe them now.
Small steps, but if all privileged people did that, the world would change.
I thought there was more to privilege than that.
You don't sound like someone who's given much of any thought to the subject.
What's the point of your post? Are you actually curious about my experience or just want something to rail against?
The post GH made that I quoted, you sound exactly like the type of person that post describes. Equality feels like oppression for you, that true for you or you just never even gave it a thought?
No, I'm actually just surprised at how little privilege you actually had to relinquish. It's almost like you didn't have much power in the first place. You really stretched there, too, with the suggestion to donate to BLM. Giving away money counts as giving away power I guess. But maybe the metaphorical language doesn't really work? Why do you think this idea that giving up privilege feels like oppression resonates with you so much when your examples of giving up privilege are so lame?
I can think of something else that might better describe the experience of 1) conversion to a cause, 2) spreading the good news to blasphemers, and 3) tithing — but "relinquishing power" isn't it.
I'll ask again... What is the point of your post?
Does Equality feel like oppression for you?
And if you don't think money is power, you are incredibly naive.
I am trying to decide why this “relinquish (white) power” articulation seems so off to me. Who are the kind of people you imagine when you imagine indignant whites for whom giving up privilege feels like oppression? Are they people who can actually give up “power”? What kind of power do they have and don’t have, now, in 2019? And what kind of power do you gain as a “woke” white who can preach to others?
I feel obliged to point out that 1) I acknowledged that giving money might be some kind of “relinquishing power” although such language feels overwrought — I’m not sure why that would be different in kind from other charitable giving or why it would feel oppressive and 2) you said you haven’t actually given money to BLM so it seems fairly moot.
As for my personal opinion, no, equality doesn’t feel like oppression to me, hence my line of questioning. Personally, I am inclined more towards the idea of “recognition.”
edit: given that someone posted a Nazi talking about “race-recognition” while I was typing this post, I have to now clarify that I meant “recognition” in the sense of Hegel or Levinas: recognition of the subject. Not some scientistic recognition of race, which we want to deconstruct anyway right?
You speak like someone who really doesn't understand the concept of privilege, which is really the nature of it privilege... you don't have to worry about it because it doesn't directly affect you.
If you are are white, there are a host of difficulties in life you don't have to worry about... In other words, day to day, you don't have to give these difficulties a second of thought, but minorities do, because they are affected by the difficulties. For example, as a white person, when you are pulled over by the police in America, you don't have to worry about being killed in the same way an African-American does.
When you get pulled over you expect to pay a speeding ticket. When an African-American gets pulled over they have to worry they might die.
The privileged person doesn't have to give a seconds thought to the latter problem, that is their privilege... To walk through life worrying about other things and thinking about things other than being killed by a cop.
Let's use your word... recognition. If you "recognize" your privilege, that is the first step, Yay! After you recognize it, you can do other things to be allies for minority groups, and there are varying degrees of time and effort you can put toward that.
But... by virtue of "recognizing" your privilege, you are in a sense giving up some degree of your power, because you can no longer just pretend minority groups aren't being persecuted. And it's also not enough to simply now "recognize" your privilege, you have to speak out against it... or be the person who knows and does nothing.
No, I understand all that quite well. What am I trying to get at here is what you meant by “relinquishing power” and the particular resonance of “when you’ve been privileged, equality feels like oppression.” Don’t you find it curious that “privilege” is usually described via its lack? People of color lack certain presumptions of innocence, people of color lack certain presumptions of competence, people of color lack safety in their dealings with police.
So what are we really talking about here? Giving up those presumptions? Giving up the privilege of ignoring people? If the “power” you give up is the power to “pretend” or the power not to sympathize it seems like a rather weak form of power. If that’s all it is, it’s not exactly clear how it’s related to some white people’s complaints that they aren’t particularly privileged. You might not even begrudge some redneck in West Virginia his complaints that he also lacks such presumptions (of competence, etc.), that he might even face worse presumptions, in 2019, than an upper class person of color dressed in a well-tailored suit who gets paid a bunch of money.
Ah well, fuck the rednecks. If you dress like that, and wear a rat-tail, and drive a truck, and listen to country music you probably are ignorant and incompetent anyway.
So you could make the same statement about a "red-neck" and competence (this is your example), technically that would be true... and would be the argument of reverse racism.
It's essentially a standpoint of some white people, that they are too the victim in this. I'm not sure if that's the point you are trying to make, but you are dancing on that edge of people interpreting you that way. The problem with that is while in some sense maybe it is true, you are focusing on the most privileged group and the ways in which the might not have privilege... Therefore ignoring essentially 90% (or more) of the issue of privilege.
No it’s not reverse racism. I’m not talking about a person’s of color presumptions about rednecks or even about race at all. Their being unprivileged need not be connected to race at all.
I have absolutely no idea where you pulled that “90%” number from or why you think including white redneck West Virginians in a group that is “most privileged” is an especially astute or helpful way of grouping people. The whole point of this exercise has been to point out that if you think the children of two doctors of color in 2019 who live in a major city are unambiguously less “privileged” than some white children born in West Virginia to parents who didn’t complete high school and are living in a trailer, your concept of privilege is inadequate. (To heighten the point, consider black sons of NBA players, who are vastly vastly more likely than anyone else on the planet to play in the NBA).
You haven’t mentioned “intersectionality” yet, but maybe you should pick it up.
And for the record I still don't think you get it, but I encourage you to try a bit more to consider yourself and how much easier your life is day to day, because when you walk into a grocery store people aren't eyeing you the whole time to see if you are going to steal something.
For the record, even if I thought you were a moron I wouldn’t let that opinion distract me from engaging with what you’ve actually said, and I don’t see why you should attempt to let your assumptions about me carry the argument for you either. In any case, let’s say I had never ever considered before how my experience shopping might be different than that of a person of color. Now I’ve had the epiphany: Wow! They get followed by security some times! Ok. Now what power do I have to give up to rectify that situation (even if I’m the security guard?!?)?
By virtue of being born white in the US you have an exponentially disproportionate lower risk of being incarcerated in your life time than and African American person. *That alone is massive privilege. If you get stuck in that system of incarceration it will chew you up and spit you out broken. Imagine if I told you today, as of today you are 5 times more likely to be locked up than prior in your life, and you knew this to be true for a fact.
Do you think that would increase your daily stress? How would you feel the next time you get pulled over for speeding? How would your relationship to police officers change (would you still see them has here to help you)? How would your life change if you actually got locked up (maybe you lost your privilege to have your vote counted)? Maybe you got killed in prison...
This is just one example of the many you don't have to worry about because you are white, are you going to tell me that is a weak effect?
Yeah I know all that. I don’t see what privileges I have to give up in order for this not to happen, or how anything you’ve talked about relating to your awokening bears on this beyond the fact that you are no longer ignorant of it.
This also raises issues of boundary-drawing which your own source points out. How do we disentangle blackness from poverty or from even more difficult to capture factors like community cohesion, family structures, attitudes, etc.?
If you were born black back in the days of slavery you had a 100% chance of ending up a slave. How do you think that would have affected your life?
A weak affect?
I’ve been very careful to say “in 2019” repeatedly. I wasn’t born in the days of slavery and neither were you.
To your first point, privilege is directly tied to race... you cannot separate the two, this is true world wide. Race has been shown throughout human history to carry favor in regard to cultural classes. And historically/generally, people with darker skin are persecuted simply for that fact.
I don't think that statement is up for debate.
"Bleaching skin" to a lighter color is a cultural phenomenon in India because there simply a skin color bias. People actually attempt to stain their skin to a lighter color so they are less dark skinned.
In India, it doesn't matter if you are poor or rich, if you have lighter skin you are likely to be favored by society. The same is true in America... If you are a white redneck in West Virginia, you are going to be favored in society based simply on the fact you have white skin.
That doesn't mean you won't be treated poorly based on other characteristics, such as the perception/stereotype of how people might negatively view being a "redneck," but you will for sure carry advantage in American culture for being white.
That statement is also not up for debate imo. There is a huge body of research that supports it, studies in police violence, poverty, discrimination in housing, white people getting more favorable sentences in the justice system... this list goes on.
In your example of a doctor with 2 black kids, you are looking very myopically at the fact their father was a doctor or an NBA player. Below is a recent example (there are more if you just research it) of an NBA player who was tazered by police for no good reason. If you consider an NBA player part of a privileged class of society (because of money), then it is a striking thing to note that he gets tazered... the conclusion many people draw is that it is because he was black.
Below is a black senator who states he was pulled over 6-7 times in one year, I (not a senator, or rich, but white) have been pulled over maybe 1 time in the last 4-5 years (maybe more).
My point is that despite position in class or society, African Americans face discrimination that white people don't... that occurs despite financial status. You can bet that if you are poor and African American it will happen wayyyyyy more, that if you are rich and African American.
But please take your time, and find me any example in the last decade of a white NBA player who was tasered for no good reason by a cop.
I just did a google search, "white man harassed by cop."
Every example on the page that turned up was of a black man being harassed by police or someone harassing police.
You did a great job of saying the word, "intersectionality" but don't describe at all how it contributes to your comments.
Intersectionality is important, it means to not have a myopic view in considering discrimination and abuse of power. For example, not just being black in America, but also poor and how the two dynamics interact together. Or being white and poor, there you have a mix of privilege (being white), and lack of privilege (being poor).
In your early statements you seem unable to consider both of these things being able to exist in the same space, in your comments about redneck people. It's as if you think, how can they be white poor and privileged... as if being poor negates any form of privilege from being white... That is exactly what intersectionality address imo... That both things can and do occur in the same space... you can be privilege in some ways and not privileged in others.
I'm not making my comments as a judgement toward you, I make them because you speak like someone who in my subjective opinion doesn't understand the dynamics of privilege... as a white person I try to make an effort to help other white Americans understand what their privilege is and how it affects others, and how we can consciously work with our privilege to balance the imbalance it creates in society.
I am far from the person with the most understanding or expertise in this area (many more know much more than me), but I know something and I'm trying to do something about it, rather than ignore it (even if it is just talking to you in a forum).
You weren't born in a time of overt slavery, and you didn't enslave anyone... but you absolutely were born in a culture that at one point it time was ubiquitous with the practice of slavery, and because of being born white you benefitted from the cultural imbalance that was created (and was never fully corrected) from the practice of slavery so many years ago.
The only reason you don't know that, is because people know what affects them. If you had dark skin, the bias of our culture would affect you daily, you would feel it... and be unable to ignore how shitty it made you feel. You would be likely feel depressed, tense, and probably have less social motility as a result.
As a white person you don't even have to consider it... You don't have to spend your time doing ANYTHING about it... you just get to live your life as normal, that is privilege.
African Americans don't get to do that. Their daily list of things to do includes a list of things you don't have to worry about, such as "teach my son how to talk to police in a way that doesn't get him shot."
That is a conversation you would never have with your kids because it sounds insane to say to them, but for other races of American citizens it is a very sane and potentially necessary conversation to have.
As far as disentangling poverty from color of skin or race, I think that is a phonemically good question. In my opinion, it's the result of decades old damage done by slavery. Look at the Native American culture and African American culture, two cultures extremely harmed by white culture... both were left in poverty, white culture basically hamstrung them by essentially murdering and enslaving them all.
Slaves have nothing, you set them free, they now have freedom... but still no money or home.
How do you think that affects someone's social mobility? It destroys it.
How many generations do you think it takes for a culture of people that were enslaved to get to a place of equal footing with the people that enslaved them?
Our racism continued past slavery, we are not too far from 200 years since the end of overt slavery and many of the dynamics are still at play, and the imbalance is certainly there. The concept of "reparations" was born out of this very problem... which is the idea of giving up your privilege/power (in the case of reparations is money) so that underprivileged groups can have equal footing in society.
It's as if white people said lets run a race, then as the race starts shot the African American runner in the leg and then pretended that never happened. Then the whole race we are like, "you just aren't trying hard enough man... you got to run faster if you ever want to make it to the finish line."
First step in rectifying that situation... is to own that "you" or your culture/ancestors actually shot the other runner, and that the race isn't fair... to make if fair you don't need to shoot yourself per se (which is what I think most white people fear), but you need to do something drastic.
At the very least, stop the race, nurture the shot runner, feed them for months until the wounds heal, then help them to get physical therapy and strength training... Then reschedule the race and run again if they feel fit and equal.
That's what you give up, the privilege of ignoring the problem... you have to actually exert yourself to correct the fuck up of your ancestors... you have to actually talk about the problem and acknowledge it, so that it somehow gets fixed. It is the responsibility of all white people to attend to the fuck ups of our ancestors.
On July 26 2019 02:20 ShambhalaWar wrote: Again, in light of the restatement of the election attacks and the republicans blocking security measures to secure our elections...
I'm curious to hear from danglers and daunt.
What's the inspiration level for you guys right now, how inspired do you feel by your leader who refuses to secure our election systems?
Relative to the inspiration you felt from the 4th of july event (I remember how inspired you were then), how inspired do you feel now? Did you elect him to not secure our elections from attacks?
xDaunt is banned so your going to have to hope Danglers graces you with an answer ^^
As for your other post, the problem is will these people who don't know the truth actually see it. Because if they don't know they have been fed selective/false information sofar and what reason is there to assume the same won't happen now? The same media/twitter/whatever that fed them bullshit before is going to feed them bullshit now and they won't get the see the soundbites of actual 'truth'.
I know this is the main problem, or a major problem. I'm not sure the answer, I hope these hearings had an impact and people will see, and open their eyes.
*In my opinion, the next step is to open impeachment inquiry hearings, which I think would give access to trumps tax records and bring a lot of other information to light, in regard to trump outside of the mueller investigation.
I believe it was these kind of hearings that shifted public opinion toward favoring impeachment of nixon back in the day.
Francisco Erwin Galicia, a Dallas-born U.S. citizen, spent 23 days in the custody of U.S. Customs and Border Protection in conditions that made him so desperate he almost opted to self-deport.
Galicia says he lost 26 pounds during that time in a South Texas immigrant detention center because officers didn’t provide him with enough food.
He said he wasn’t allowed to shower and his skin was dry and dirty.
He and 60 other men were crammed into an overcrowded holding area where they slept on the floor and were given only aluminum-foil blankets, he said. Some men had to sleep on the restroom area floor.
Ticks bit some of the men and some were very sick, Galicia said. But many were afraid to ask to go to the doctor because CBP officers told them their stay would start over if they did, he said.
“It was inhumane how they treated us. It got to the point where I was ready to sign a deportation paper just to not be suffering there anymore. I just needed to get out of there,” he said.
Galicia spoke to The Dallas Morning News on Wednesday, one day after he was released by federal officials who had earlier refused to acknowledge his citizenship when presented with his birth certificate.
CBP and Immigration and Customs Enforcement officials did not respond to Galicia's claims of poor conditions at the CBP holding facility. But the agencies issued a joint statement Wednesday evening addressing their decision to detain him. The explanation came two days after The News first broke the story of his detention and made repeated requests for comment to both agencies.
"Generally, situations including conflicting reports from the individual and multiple birth certificates can, and should, take more time to verify," the statement read. "While we continue to research the facts of the situation, this individual has been released from ICE custody. Both CBP and ICE are committed to the fair treatment of migrants in our custody and continue to take appropriate steps to verify all facts of this situation."
For most of the time Galicia was held by federal authorities, he said he lived under conditions that many asylum-seeking immigrants have reportedly faced over the past year, leading to much public outcry from politicians and public figures.
Galicia said he met people from all over: Nicaraguans, Hondurans, Salvadorans, Colombians.
“It’s one thing to see these conditions on TV and in the news. It’s another to go through them,” he said.
Galicia was released Tuesday afternoon from the ICE detention center in Pearsall where he’d been since Saturday. His release came less than 24 hours after The News first reported on his detention. Before Saturday, he’d been held for about three weeks at a CBP facility in Falfurrias, where he reported the squalid conditions.
Galicia’s ordeal began on June 27 when he and his younger brother Marlon Galicia and three friends set out for Ranger College in North Texas from Edinburg where the Galicia family lives.
They were heading to a soccer scouting event where the brothers, who both play defense for the Johnny Economedes High School soccer team, were hoping to land scholarships.
“We’re supposed to graduate from high school next year, and we wanted to do something to secure our education,” Francisco Galicia said.
But the boys had to pass through a CBP checkpoint in Falfurrias, about 50 miles north of Edinburg. It was there that CBP agents asked the group to pull over and asked the passengers their statuses.
Marlon Galicia and another passenger lacked legal status. Francisco Galicia told Border Patrol agents that he was a citizen and presented them with a Texas ID, Social Security card and a wallet-sized birth certificate.
But agents doubted the validity of his documents right away, Galicia said.
Agents then took the brothers and another passenger into custody. They held them at the checkpoint for a day and then moved them to a CBP holding facility, where Francisco hoped he would be allowed a phone call.
“I told them we had rights and asked to make a phone call. But they told us, ‘You don’t have rights to anything’,” Francisco Galicia said.
Two days after they were taken into custody, Marlon, who was born in Mexico, decided to voluntarily deport so that he could tell their mother, Sanjuana Galicia, about Francisco’s situation. He is now in Reynosa, a dangerous border city.
Claudia Galan, Galicia’s attorney, told The News that CBPs decision to hold Galicia despite his citizenship was likely tied to the issuance of a visitor’s visa that agents found in their records after they scanned his fingerprints.
Galicia’s mother obtained the visa for him when he was a minor and claimed he was born in Mexico.
He didn’t have a U.S. passport because when he was born in Dallas, Sanjuana used a fake name on his birth certificate.
She feared the only way she’d be able to legally travel across the border with her U.S. citizen son was with the visa.
But Galicia says CBP agents doubted the validity of his documents even before he was fingerprinted.
“Powerless. That’s how I felt. How with all this proof that I was giving them could they hold me?” he said.
Galicia says the documents he presented at the CBP checkpoint have not been returned to him.
CBP has not confirmed whether the old visa was why they detained Galicia.
Sanjuana Galicia said she was just glad to have her son home.
“I’m just so thankful to God and to everyone who spoke up about my son’s situation. I’m glad to have him back home, but I need my other son back,” she said.
Well now. Turns out those nasty allegations from the Congressmen and women that visited the camps now have someone who actually had to live in one for 3 weeks, a CITIZEN no less confirming basically most of what they were talking about.
Wonder how the Right is gonna spin this one. An American Citizen was held in these holds, not allowed to even call his family and the agents that captured him had 3 different documents shown to them that proved his citizenship and still took him.
People in the reddit threads are saying this kid should tesitfy in front of the UN, I think that's asking a bit much of someone who just went through all of that especially since I doubt the Trump administration would pay any heed to UN condemnations any way.
In general, I'm quite concerned that not nearly enough has been done to help people, right and left, learn to identify misinformation campaigns and bot accounts. With the Republicans quite clearly abdicating all responsibility when it comes to ensuring secure elections, it's left to the rest of us to handle what is likely to come (In Canada, we've at least done some changes for our election this year, but almost nothing has been done at the federal level in the US. The FBI has said they are working on the issue but they can only do so much. Facebook and Twitter have made steps but not nearly enough and not quickly enough).
In the 2016 election, the Russians didn't just target Republicans with misinformation campaigns (though Republicans were where the majority of their efforts were targeted). They went after Democrats, but in a much more subtle way. At this point there are multiple datasets of Russian troll account data available (here's one I did some work with), and consistently they show that the Russians also mimicked people on the left concerned with specific issues. In particular, they attempted to intrude into conversations with people who tweeted about Black Lives Matter a substantial amount. They were also highly active during the aftermaths of shootings of unarmed black men by police. They also targeted Bernie Sanders supporters and people tweeting about the Dakota Access Pipeline controversy. Their goals when targeting Democrats seemed quite different than when they targeted Republicans. With Republicans, they wanted to get them angry and fire them up, often by posting ridiculous stories involving Obama, Hillary Clinton, or other high profile Democrats. With Democrats though, they did the opposite. They more often tried to create doubt in people's minds, kill off enthusiasm about issues by posting about how nothing will be done, or blame senior Democrats for issues becoming worse and saying they won't fix it. Of course, the goal in this case was to suppress turnout among Democrats, especially minorities.
My concern is that this is already happening again and will probably get much worse as we get closer to the election. Triply so if Biden becomes the candidate because he's such an easy target. They could run the exact same strategy as they did with Clinton and it would potentially work because enthusiasm among the same demographics is low for Biden like it was for Clinton. Though this time there's likely to be higher turnout because so many people hate Trump so much.
My other concern is that the Russians will actually try messing with the election itself either by tampering with the voting machines, spreading misinformation about where and how to vote, or messing with voter information databases (several states were found to have not secured either their voting systems or voter databases correctly after the last presidential election. Georgia was the most high profile).
Francisco Erwin Galicia, a Dallas-born U.S. citizen, spent 23 days in the custody of U.S. Customs and Border Protection in conditions that made him so desperate he almost opted to self-deport.
Galicia says he lost 26 pounds during that time in a South Texas immigrant detention center because officers didn’t provide him with enough food.
He said he wasn’t allowed to shower and his skin was dry and dirty.
He and 60 other men were crammed into an overcrowded holding area where they slept on the floor and were given only aluminum-foil blankets, he said. Some men had to sleep on the restroom area floor.
Ticks bit some of the men and some were very sick, Galicia said. But many were afraid to ask to go to the doctor because CBP officers told them their stay would start over if they did, he said.
“It was inhumane how they treated us. It got to the point where I was ready to sign a deportation paper just to not be suffering there anymore. I just needed to get out of there,” he said.
Galicia spoke to The Dallas Morning News on Wednesday, one day after he was released by federal officials who had earlier refused to acknowledge his citizenship when presented with his birth certificate.
CBP and Immigration and Customs Enforcement officials did not respond to Galicia's claims of poor conditions at the CBP holding facility. But the agencies issued a joint statement Wednesday evening addressing their decision to detain him. The explanation came two days after The News first broke the story of his detention and made repeated requests for comment to both agencies.
"Generally, situations including conflicting reports from the individual and multiple birth certificates can, and should, take more time to verify," the statement read. "While we continue to research the facts of the situation, this individual has been released from ICE custody. Both CBP and ICE are committed to the fair treatment of migrants in our custody and continue to take appropriate steps to verify all facts of this situation."
For most of the time Galicia was held by federal authorities, he said he lived under conditions that many asylum-seeking immigrants have reportedly faced over the past year, leading to much public outcry from politicians and public figures.
Galicia said he met people from all over: Nicaraguans, Hondurans, Salvadorans, Colombians.
“It’s one thing to see these conditions on TV and in the news. It’s another to go through them,” he said.
Galicia was released Tuesday afternoon from the ICE detention center in Pearsall where he’d been since Saturday. His release came less than 24 hours after The News first reported on his detention. Before Saturday, he’d been held for about three weeks at a CBP facility in Falfurrias, where he reported the squalid conditions.
Galicia’s ordeal began on June 27 when he and his younger brother Marlon Galicia and three friends set out for Ranger College in North Texas from Edinburg where the Galicia family lives.
They were heading to a soccer scouting event where the brothers, who both play defense for the Johnny Economedes High School soccer team, were hoping to land scholarships.
“We’re supposed to graduate from high school next year, and we wanted to do something to secure our education,” Francisco Galicia said.
But the boys had to pass through a CBP checkpoint in Falfurrias, about 50 miles north of Edinburg. It was there that CBP agents asked the group to pull over and asked the passengers their statuses.
Marlon Galicia and another passenger lacked legal status. Francisco Galicia told Border Patrol agents that he was a citizen and presented them with a Texas ID, Social Security card and a wallet-sized birth certificate.
But agents doubted the validity of his documents right away, Galicia said.
Agents then took the brothers and another passenger into custody. They held them at the checkpoint for a day and then moved them to a CBP holding facility, where Francisco hoped he would be allowed a phone call.
“I told them we had rights and asked to make a phone call. But they told us, ‘You don’t have rights to anything’,” Francisco Galicia said.
Two days after they were taken into custody, Marlon, who was born in Mexico, decided to voluntarily deport so that he could tell their mother, Sanjuana Galicia, about Francisco’s situation. He is now in Reynosa, a dangerous border city.
Claudia Galan, Galicia’s attorney, told The News that CBPs decision to hold Galicia despite his citizenship was likely tied to the issuance of a visitor’s visa that agents found in their records after they scanned his fingerprints.
Galicia’s mother obtained the visa for him when he was a minor and claimed he was born in Mexico.
He didn’t have a U.S. passport because when he was born in Dallas, Sanjuana used a fake name on his birth certificate.
She feared the only way she’d be able to legally travel across the border with her U.S. citizen son was with the visa.
But Galicia says CBP agents doubted the validity of his documents even before he was fingerprinted.
“Powerless. That’s how I felt. How with all this proof that I was giving them could they hold me?” he said.
Galicia says the documents he presented at the CBP checkpoint have not been returned to him.
CBP has not confirmed whether the old visa was why they detained Galicia.
Sanjuana Galicia said she was just glad to have her son home.
“I’m just so thankful to God and to everyone who spoke up about my son’s situation. I’m glad to have him back home, but I need my other son back,” she said.
Well now. Turns out those nasty allegations from the Congressmen and women that visited the camps now have someone who actually had to live in one for 3 weeks, a CITIZEN no less confirming basically most of what they were talking about.
Wonder how the Right is gonna spin this one. An American Citizen was held in these holds, not allowed to even call his family and the agents that captured him had 3 different documents shown to them that proved his citizenship and still took him.
People in the reddit threads are saying this kid should tesitfy in front of the UN, I think that's asking a bit much of someone who just went through all of that especially since I doubt the Trump administration would pay any heed to UN condemnations any way.
They’ll say he’s not a real American. You act like this is the first time the US gov has failed to protect the rights of a nonwhite citizen. It’s not citizenship that gives you rights, it’s club membership. That’s why so many citizens can’t vire and why the right works so hard to stop more.
Francisco Erwin Galicia, a Dallas-born U.S. citizen, spent 23 days in the custody of U.S. Customs and Border Protection in conditions that made him so desperate he almost opted to self-deport.
Galicia says he lost 26 pounds during that time in a South Texas immigrant detention center because officers didn’t provide him with enough food.
He said he wasn’t allowed to shower and his skin was dry and dirty.
He and 60 other men were crammed into an overcrowded holding area where they slept on the floor and were given only aluminum-foil blankets, he said. Some men had to sleep on the restroom area floor.
Ticks bit some of the men and some were very sick, Galicia said. But many were afraid to ask to go to the doctor because CBP officers told them their stay would start over if they did, he said.
“It was inhumane how they treated us. It got to the point where I was ready to sign a deportation paper just to not be suffering there anymore. I just needed to get out of there,” he said.
Galicia spoke to The Dallas Morning News on Wednesday, one day after he was released by federal officials who had earlier refused to acknowledge his citizenship when presented with his birth certificate.
CBP and Immigration and Customs Enforcement officials did not respond to Galicia's claims of poor conditions at the CBP holding facility. But the agencies issued a joint statement Wednesday evening addressing their decision to detain him. The explanation came two days after The News first broke the story of his detention and made repeated requests for comment to both agencies.
"Generally, situations including conflicting reports from the individual and multiple birth certificates can, and should, take more time to verify," the statement read. "While we continue to research the facts of the situation, this individual has been released from ICE custody. Both CBP and ICE are committed to the fair treatment of migrants in our custody and continue to take appropriate steps to verify all facts of this situation."
For most of the time Galicia was held by federal authorities, he said he lived under conditions that many asylum-seeking immigrants have reportedly faced over the past year, leading to much public outcry from politicians and public figures.
Galicia said he met people from all over: Nicaraguans, Hondurans, Salvadorans, Colombians.
“It’s one thing to see these conditions on TV and in the news. It’s another to go through them,” he said.
Galicia was released Tuesday afternoon from the ICE detention center in Pearsall where he’d been since Saturday. His release came less than 24 hours after The News first reported on his detention. Before Saturday, he’d been held for about three weeks at a CBP facility in Falfurrias, where he reported the squalid conditions.
Galicia’s ordeal began on June 27 when he and his younger brother Marlon Galicia and three friends set out for Ranger College in North Texas from Edinburg where the Galicia family lives.
They were heading to a soccer scouting event where the brothers, who both play defense for the Johnny Economedes High School soccer team, were hoping to land scholarships.
“We’re supposed to graduate from high school next year, and we wanted to do something to secure our education,” Francisco Galicia said.
But the boys had to pass through a CBP checkpoint in Falfurrias, about 50 miles north of Edinburg. It was there that CBP agents asked the group to pull over and asked the passengers their statuses.
Marlon Galicia and another passenger lacked legal status. Francisco Galicia told Border Patrol agents that he was a citizen and presented them with a Texas ID, Social Security card and a wallet-sized birth certificate.
But agents doubted the validity of his documents right away, Galicia said.
Agents then took the brothers and another passenger into custody. They held them at the checkpoint for a day and then moved them to a CBP holding facility, where Francisco hoped he would be allowed a phone call.
“I told them we had rights and asked to make a phone call. But they told us, ‘You don’t have rights to anything’,” Francisco Galicia said.
Two days after they were taken into custody, Marlon, who was born in Mexico, decided to voluntarily deport so that he could tell their mother, Sanjuana Galicia, about Francisco’s situation. He is now in Reynosa, a dangerous border city.
Claudia Galan, Galicia’s attorney, told The News that CBPs decision to hold Galicia despite his citizenship was likely tied to the issuance of a visitor’s visa that agents found in their records after they scanned his fingerprints.
Galicia’s mother obtained the visa for him when he was a minor and claimed he was born in Mexico.
He didn’t have a U.S. passport because when he was born in Dallas, Sanjuana used a fake name on his birth certificate.
She feared the only way she’d be able to legally travel across the border with her U.S. citizen son was with the visa.
But Galicia says CBP agents doubted the validity of his documents even before he was fingerprinted.
“Powerless. That’s how I felt. How with all this proof that I was giving them could they hold me?” he said.
Galicia says the documents he presented at the CBP checkpoint have not been returned to him.
CBP has not confirmed whether the old visa was why they detained Galicia.
Sanjuana Galicia said she was just glad to have her son home.
“I’m just so thankful to God and to everyone who spoke up about my son’s situation. I’m glad to have him back home, but I need my other son back,” she said.
Well now. Turns out those nasty allegations from the Congressmen and women that visited the camps now have someone who actually had to live in one for 3 weeks, a CITIZEN no less confirming basically most of what they were talking about.
Wonder how the Right is gonna spin this one. An American Citizen was held in these holds, not allowed to even call his family and the agents that captured him had 3 different documents shown to them that proved his citizenship and still took him.
People in the reddit threads are saying this kid should tesitfy in front of the UN, I think that's asking a bit much of someone who just went through all of that especially since I doubt the Trump administration would pay any heed to UN condemnations any way.
They’ll say he’s not a real American. You act like this is the first time the US gov has failed to protect the rights of a nonwhite citizen. It’s not citizenship that gives you rights, it’s club membership. That’s why so many citizens can’t vire and why the right works so hard to stop more.
I dare them to try it. In an election year, i DARE Fox News to try and use that spin angle.
Francisco Erwin Galicia, a Dallas-born U.S. citizen, spent 23 days in the custody of U.S. Customs and Border Protection in conditions that made him so desperate he almost opted to self-deport.
Galicia says he lost 26 pounds during that time in a South Texas immigrant detention center because officers didn’t provide him with enough food.
He said he wasn’t allowed to shower and his skin was dry and dirty.
He and 60 other men were crammed into an overcrowded holding area where they slept on the floor and were given only aluminum-foil blankets, he said. Some men had to sleep on the restroom area floor.
Ticks bit some of the men and some were very sick, Galicia said. But many were afraid to ask to go to the doctor because CBP officers told them their stay would start over if they did, he said.
“It was inhumane how they treated us. It got to the point where I was ready to sign a deportation paper just to not be suffering there anymore. I just needed to get out of there,” he said.
Galicia spoke to The Dallas Morning News on Wednesday, one day after he was released by federal officials who had earlier refused to acknowledge his citizenship when presented with his birth certificate.
CBP and Immigration and Customs Enforcement officials did not respond to Galicia's claims of poor conditions at the CBP holding facility. But the agencies issued a joint statement Wednesday evening addressing their decision to detain him. The explanation came two days after The News first broke the story of his detention and made repeated requests for comment to both agencies.
"Generally, situations including conflicting reports from the individual and multiple birth certificates can, and should, take more time to verify," the statement read. "While we continue to research the facts of the situation, this individual has been released from ICE custody. Both CBP and ICE are committed to the fair treatment of migrants in our custody and continue to take appropriate steps to verify all facts of this situation."
For most of the time Galicia was held by federal authorities, he said he lived under conditions that many asylum-seeking immigrants have reportedly faced over the past year, leading to much public outcry from politicians and public figures.
Galicia said he met people from all over: Nicaraguans, Hondurans, Salvadorans, Colombians.
“It’s one thing to see these conditions on TV and in the news. It’s another to go through them,” he said.
Galicia was released Tuesday afternoon from the ICE detention center in Pearsall where he’d been since Saturday. His release came less than 24 hours after The News first reported on his detention. Before Saturday, he’d been held for about three weeks at a CBP facility in Falfurrias, where he reported the squalid conditions.
Galicia’s ordeal began on June 27 when he and his younger brother Marlon Galicia and three friends set out for Ranger College in North Texas from Edinburg where the Galicia family lives.
They were heading to a soccer scouting event where the brothers, who both play defense for the Johnny Economedes High School soccer team, were hoping to land scholarships.
“We’re supposed to graduate from high school next year, and we wanted to do something to secure our education,” Francisco Galicia said.
But the boys had to pass through a CBP checkpoint in Falfurrias, about 50 miles north of Edinburg. It was there that CBP agents asked the group to pull over and asked the passengers their statuses.
Marlon Galicia and another passenger lacked legal status. Francisco Galicia told Border Patrol agents that he was a citizen and presented them with a Texas ID, Social Security card and a wallet-sized birth certificate.
But agents doubted the validity of his documents right away, Galicia said.
Agents then took the brothers and another passenger into custody. They held them at the checkpoint for a day and then moved them to a CBP holding facility, where Francisco hoped he would be allowed a phone call.
“I told them we had rights and asked to make a phone call. But they told us, ‘You don’t have rights to anything’,” Francisco Galicia said.
Two days after they were taken into custody, Marlon, who was born in Mexico, decided to voluntarily deport so that he could tell their mother, Sanjuana Galicia, about Francisco’s situation. He is now in Reynosa, a dangerous border city.
Claudia Galan, Galicia’s attorney, told The News that CBPs decision to hold Galicia despite his citizenship was likely tied to the issuance of a visitor’s visa that agents found in their records after they scanned his fingerprints.
Galicia’s mother obtained the visa for him when he was a minor and claimed he was born in Mexico.
He didn’t have a U.S. passport because when he was born in Dallas, Sanjuana used a fake name on his birth certificate.
She feared the only way she’d be able to legally travel across the border with her U.S. citizen son was with the visa.
But Galicia says CBP agents doubted the validity of his documents even before he was fingerprinted.
“Powerless. That’s how I felt. How with all this proof that I was giving them could they hold me?” he said.
Galicia says the documents he presented at the CBP checkpoint have not been returned to him.
CBP has not confirmed whether the old visa was why they detained Galicia.
Sanjuana Galicia said she was just glad to have her son home.
“I’m just so thankful to God and to everyone who spoke up about my son’s situation. I’m glad to have him back home, but I need my other son back,” she said.
Well now. Turns out those nasty allegations from the Congressmen and women that visited the camps now have someone who actually had to live in one for 3 weeks, a CITIZEN no less confirming basically most of what they were talking about.
Wonder how the Right is gonna spin this one. An American Citizen was held in these holds, not allowed to even call his family and the agents that captured him had 3 different documents shown to them that proved his citizenship and still took him.
People in the reddit threads are saying this kid should tesitfy in front of the UN, I think that's asking a bit much of someone who just went through all of that especially since I doubt the Trump administration would pay any heed to UN condemnations any way.
They’ll say he’s not a real American. You act like this is the first time the US gov has failed to protect the rights of a nonwhite citizen. It’s not citizenship that gives you rights, it’s club membership. That’s why so many citizens can’t vire and why the right works so hard to stop more.
I dare them to try it. In an election year, i DARE Fox News to try and use that spin angle.
Is this your first time in America? Of course they will. You’re acting like this would be some new low, an obscene new line crossed. This is normal. This is what normal looks like. It’s what it has always looked like.
Francisco Erwin Galicia, a Dallas-born U.S. citizen, spent 23 days in the custody of U.S. Customs and Border Protection in conditions that made him so desperate he almost opted to self-deport.
Galicia says he lost 26 pounds during that time in a South Texas immigrant detention center because officers didn’t provide him with enough food.
He said he wasn’t allowed to shower and his skin was dry and dirty.
He and 60 other men were crammed into an overcrowded holding area where they slept on the floor and were given only aluminum-foil blankets, he said. Some men had to sleep on the restroom area floor.
Ticks bit some of the men and some were very sick, Galicia said. But many were afraid to ask to go to the doctor because CBP officers told them their stay would start over if they did, he said.
“It was inhumane how they treated us. It got to the point where I was ready to sign a deportation paper just to not be suffering there anymore. I just needed to get out of there,” he said.
Galicia spoke to The Dallas Morning News on Wednesday, one day after he was released by federal officials who had earlier refused to acknowledge his citizenship when presented with his birth certificate.
CBP and Immigration and Customs Enforcement officials did not respond to Galicia's claims of poor conditions at the CBP holding facility. But the agencies issued a joint statement Wednesday evening addressing their decision to detain him. The explanation came two days after The News first broke the story of his detention and made repeated requests for comment to both agencies.
"Generally, situations including conflicting reports from the individual and multiple birth certificates can, and should, take more time to verify," the statement read. "While we continue to research the facts of the situation, this individual has been released from ICE custody. Both CBP and ICE are committed to the fair treatment of migrants in our custody and continue to take appropriate steps to verify all facts of this situation."
For most of the time Galicia was held by federal authorities, he said he lived under conditions that many asylum-seeking immigrants have reportedly faced over the past year, leading to much public outcry from politicians and public figures.
Galicia said he met people from all over: Nicaraguans, Hondurans, Salvadorans, Colombians.
“It’s one thing to see these conditions on TV and in the news. It’s another to go through them,” he said.
Galicia was released Tuesday afternoon from the ICE detention center in Pearsall where he’d been since Saturday. His release came less than 24 hours after The News first reported on his detention. Before Saturday, he’d been held for about three weeks at a CBP facility in Falfurrias, where he reported the squalid conditions.
Galicia’s ordeal began on June 27 when he and his younger brother Marlon Galicia and three friends set out for Ranger College in North Texas from Edinburg where the Galicia family lives.
They were heading to a soccer scouting event where the brothers, who both play defense for the Johnny Economedes High School soccer team, were hoping to land scholarships.
“We’re supposed to graduate from high school next year, and we wanted to do something to secure our education,” Francisco Galicia said.
But the boys had to pass through a CBP checkpoint in Falfurrias, about 50 miles north of Edinburg. It was there that CBP agents asked the group to pull over and asked the passengers their statuses.
Marlon Galicia and another passenger lacked legal status. Francisco Galicia told Border Patrol agents that he was a citizen and presented them with a Texas ID, Social Security card and a wallet-sized birth certificate.
But agents doubted the validity of his documents right away, Galicia said.
Agents then took the brothers and another passenger into custody. They held them at the checkpoint for a day and then moved them to a CBP holding facility, where Francisco hoped he would be allowed a phone call.
“I told them we had rights and asked to make a phone call. But they told us, ‘You don’t have rights to anything’,” Francisco Galicia said.
Two days after they were taken into custody, Marlon, who was born in Mexico, decided to voluntarily deport so that he could tell their mother, Sanjuana Galicia, about Francisco’s situation. He is now in Reynosa, a dangerous border city.
Claudia Galan, Galicia’s attorney, told The News that CBPs decision to hold Galicia despite his citizenship was likely tied to the issuance of a visitor’s visa that agents found in their records after they scanned his fingerprints.
Galicia’s mother obtained the visa for him when he was a minor and claimed he was born in Mexico.
He didn’t have a U.S. passport because when he was born in Dallas, Sanjuana used a fake name on his birth certificate.
She feared the only way she’d be able to legally travel across the border with her U.S. citizen son was with the visa.
But Galicia says CBP agents doubted the validity of his documents even before he was fingerprinted.
“Powerless. That’s how I felt. How with all this proof that I was giving them could they hold me?” he said.
Galicia says the documents he presented at the CBP checkpoint have not been returned to him.
CBP has not confirmed whether the old visa was why they detained Galicia.
Sanjuana Galicia said she was just glad to have her son home.
“I’m just so thankful to God and to everyone who spoke up about my son’s situation. I’m glad to have him back home, but I need my other son back,” she said.
Well now. Turns out those nasty allegations from the Congressmen and women that visited the camps now have someone who actually had to live in one for 3 weeks, a CITIZEN no less confirming basically most of what they were talking about.
Wonder how the Right is gonna spin this one. An American Citizen was held in these holds, not allowed to even call his family and the agents that captured him had 3 different documents shown to them that proved his citizenship and still took him.
People in the reddit threads are saying this kid should tesitfy in front of the UN, I think that's asking a bit much of someone who just went through all of that especially since I doubt the Trump administration would pay any heed to UN condemnations any way.
They’ll say he’s not a real American. You act like this is the first time the US gov has failed to protect the rights of a nonwhite citizen. It’s not citizenship that gives you rights, it’s club membership. That’s why so many citizens can’t vire and why the right works so hard to stop more.
I dare them to try it. In an election year, i DARE Fox News to try and use that spin angle.
Is this your first time in America? Of course they will. You’re acting like this would be some new low, an obscene new line crossed. This is normal. This is what normal looks like. It’s what it has always looked like.
Trust me, I'm well aware of the history. The demographics are much different now though, and this kind of issue rallies people that are usually Republican allies against them. For example, the Jewish Community has been outraged about these camps, and as far as I know they've been a split demographic in the last few elections. Same with some Hispanics (Plenty of Conservative Catholics after all) and this kind of thing has pushed nearly all of them to the Liberal side. It's just stripping the small Republican base of any allies it could draw on.
These scandals are rocking the news cycle so much that no one is even paying attention anymore to the circus that is the Democrat primary. That should be telling enough.
Francisco Erwin Galicia, a Dallas-born U.S. citizen, spent 23 days in the custody of U.S. Customs and Border Protection in conditions that made him so desperate he almost opted to self-deport.
Galicia says he lost 26 pounds during that time in a South Texas immigrant detention center because officers didn’t provide him with enough food.
He said he wasn’t allowed to shower and his skin was dry and dirty.
He and 60 other men were crammed into an overcrowded holding area where they slept on the floor and were given only aluminum-foil blankets, he said. Some men had to sleep on the restroom area floor.
Ticks bit some of the men and some were very sick, Galicia said. But many were afraid to ask to go to the doctor because CBP officers told them their stay would start over if they did, he said.
“It was inhumane how they treated us. It got to the point where I was ready to sign a deportation paper just to not be suffering there anymore. I just needed to get out of there,” he said.
Galicia spoke to The Dallas Morning News on Wednesday, one day after he was released by federal officials who had earlier refused to acknowledge his citizenship when presented with his birth certificate.
CBP and Immigration and Customs Enforcement officials did not respond to Galicia's claims of poor conditions at the CBP holding facility. But the agencies issued a joint statement Wednesday evening addressing their decision to detain him. The explanation came two days after The News first broke the story of his detention and made repeated requests for comment to both agencies.
"Generally, situations including conflicting reports from the individual and multiple birth certificates can, and should, take more time to verify," the statement read. "While we continue to research the facts of the situation, this individual has been released from ICE custody. Both CBP and ICE are committed to the fair treatment of migrants in our custody and continue to take appropriate steps to verify all facts of this situation."
For most of the time Galicia was held by federal authorities, he said he lived under conditions that many asylum-seeking immigrants have reportedly faced over the past year, leading to much public outcry from politicians and public figures.
Galicia said he met people from all over: Nicaraguans, Hondurans, Salvadorans, Colombians.
“It’s one thing to see these conditions on TV and in the news. It’s another to go through them,” he said.
Galicia was released Tuesday afternoon from the ICE detention center in Pearsall where he’d been since Saturday. His release came less than 24 hours after The News first reported on his detention. Before Saturday, he’d been held for about three weeks at a CBP facility in Falfurrias, where he reported the squalid conditions.
Galicia’s ordeal began on June 27 when he and his younger brother Marlon Galicia and three friends set out for Ranger College in North Texas from Edinburg where the Galicia family lives.
They were heading to a soccer scouting event where the brothers, who both play defense for the Johnny Economedes High School soccer team, were hoping to land scholarships.
“We’re supposed to graduate from high school next year, and we wanted to do something to secure our education,” Francisco Galicia said.
But the boys had to pass through a CBP checkpoint in Falfurrias, about 50 miles north of Edinburg. It was there that CBP agents asked the group to pull over and asked the passengers their statuses.
Marlon Galicia and another passenger lacked legal status. Francisco Galicia told Border Patrol agents that he was a citizen and presented them with a Texas ID, Social Security card and a wallet-sized birth certificate.
But agents doubted the validity of his documents right away, Galicia said.
Agents then took the brothers and another passenger into custody. They held them at the checkpoint for a day and then moved them to a CBP holding facility, where Francisco hoped he would be allowed a phone call.
“I told them we had rights and asked to make a phone call. But they told us, ‘You don’t have rights to anything’,” Francisco Galicia said.
Two days after they were taken into custody, Marlon, who was born in Mexico, decided to voluntarily deport so that he could tell their mother, Sanjuana Galicia, about Francisco’s situation. He is now in Reynosa, a dangerous border city.
Claudia Galan, Galicia’s attorney, told The News that CBPs decision to hold Galicia despite his citizenship was likely tied to the issuance of a visitor’s visa that agents found in their records after they scanned his fingerprints.
Galicia’s mother obtained the visa for him when he was a minor and claimed he was born in Mexico.
He didn’t have a U.S. passport because when he was born in Dallas, Sanjuana used a fake name on his birth certificate.
She feared the only way she’d be able to legally travel across the border with her U.S. citizen son was with the visa.
But Galicia says CBP agents doubted the validity of his documents even before he was fingerprinted.
“Powerless. That’s how I felt. How with all this proof that I was giving them could they hold me?” he said.
Galicia says the documents he presented at the CBP checkpoint have not been returned to him.
CBP has not confirmed whether the old visa was why they detained Galicia.
Sanjuana Galicia said she was just glad to have her son home.
“I’m just so thankful to God and to everyone who spoke up about my son’s situation. I’m glad to have him back home, but I need my other son back,” she said.
Well now. Turns out those nasty allegations from the Congressmen and women that visited the camps now have someone who actually had to live in one for 3 weeks, a CITIZEN no less confirming basically most of what they were talking about.
Wonder how the Right is gonna spin this one. An American Citizen was held in these holds, not allowed to even call his family and the agents that captured him had 3 different documents shown to them that proved his citizenship and still took him.
People in the reddit threads are saying this kid should tesitfy in front of the UN, I think that's asking a bit much of someone who just went through all of that especially since I doubt the Trump administration would pay any heed to UN condemnations any way.
They’ll say he’s not a real American. You act like this is the first time the US gov has failed to protect the rights of a nonwhite citizen. It’s not citizenship that gives you rights, it’s club membership. That’s why so many citizens can’t vire and why the right works so hard to stop more.
I dare them to try it. In an election year, i DARE Fox News to try and use that spin angle.
Is this your first time in America? Of course they will. You’re acting like this would be some new low, an obscene new line crossed. This is normal. This is what normal looks like. It’s what it has always looked like.
Trust me, I'm well aware of the history. The demographics are much different now though, and this kind of issue rallies people that are usually Republican allies against them. For example, the Jewish Community has been outraged about these camps, and as far as I know they've been a split demographic in the last few elections. Same with some Hispanics (Plenty of Conservative Catholics after all) and this kind of thing has pushed nearly all of them to the Liberal side. It's just stripping the small Republican base of any allies it could draw on.
These scandals are rocking the news cycle so much that no one is even paying attention anymore to the circus that is the Democrat primary. That should be telling enough.
Maybe I'm also being cynical, but I could totally see Fox News perpetuating the whole white supremacist / real-Americans-look-like-us mantra, the same way they enabled the Obama birther conspiracy and pretty much everything else candidate Trump said (during the last presidential election year).
Francisco Erwin Galicia, a Dallas-born U.S. citizen, spent 23 days in the custody of U.S. Customs and Border Protection in conditions that made him so desperate he almost opted to self-deport.
Galicia says he lost 26 pounds during that time in a South Texas immigrant detention center because officers didn’t provide him with enough food.
He said he wasn’t allowed to shower and his skin was dry and dirty.
He and 60 other men were crammed into an overcrowded holding area where they slept on the floor and were given only aluminum-foil blankets, he said. Some men had to sleep on the restroom area floor.
Ticks bit some of the men and some were very sick, Galicia said. But many were afraid to ask to go to the doctor because CBP officers told them their stay would start over if they did, he said.
“It was inhumane how they treated us. It got to the point where I was ready to sign a deportation paper just to not be suffering there anymore. I just needed to get out of there,” he said.
Galicia spoke to The Dallas Morning News on Wednesday, one day after he was released by federal officials who had earlier refused to acknowledge his citizenship when presented with his birth certificate.
CBP and Immigration and Customs Enforcement officials did not respond to Galicia's claims of poor conditions at the CBP holding facility. But the agencies issued a joint statement Wednesday evening addressing their decision to detain him. The explanation came two days after The News first broke the story of his detention and made repeated requests for comment to both agencies.
"Generally, situations including conflicting reports from the individual and multiple birth certificates can, and should, take more time to verify," the statement read. "While we continue to research the facts of the situation, this individual has been released from ICE custody. Both CBP and ICE are committed to the fair treatment of migrants in our custody and continue to take appropriate steps to verify all facts of this situation."
For most of the time Galicia was held by federal authorities, he said he lived under conditions that many asylum-seeking immigrants have reportedly faced over the past year, leading to much public outcry from politicians and public figures.
Galicia said he met people from all over: Nicaraguans, Hondurans, Salvadorans, Colombians.
“It’s one thing to see these conditions on TV and in the news. It’s another to go through them,” he said.
Galicia was released Tuesday afternoon from the ICE detention center in Pearsall where he’d been since Saturday. His release came less than 24 hours after The News first reported on his detention. Before Saturday, he’d been held for about three weeks at a CBP facility in Falfurrias, where he reported the squalid conditions.
Galicia’s ordeal began on June 27 when he and his younger brother Marlon Galicia and three friends set out for Ranger College in North Texas from Edinburg where the Galicia family lives.
They were heading to a soccer scouting event where the brothers, who both play defense for the Johnny Economedes High School soccer team, were hoping to land scholarships.
“We’re supposed to graduate from high school next year, and we wanted to do something to secure our education,” Francisco Galicia said.
But the boys had to pass through a CBP checkpoint in Falfurrias, about 50 miles north of Edinburg. It was there that CBP agents asked the group to pull over and asked the passengers their statuses.
Marlon Galicia and another passenger lacked legal status. Francisco Galicia told Border Patrol agents that he was a citizen and presented them with a Texas ID, Social Security card and a wallet-sized birth certificate.
But agents doubted the validity of his documents right away, Galicia said.
Agents then took the brothers and another passenger into custody. They held them at the checkpoint for a day and then moved them to a CBP holding facility, where Francisco hoped he would be allowed a phone call.
“I told them we had rights and asked to make a phone call. But they told us, ‘You don’t have rights to anything’,” Francisco Galicia said.
Two days after they were taken into custody, Marlon, who was born in Mexico, decided to voluntarily deport so that he could tell their mother, Sanjuana Galicia, about Francisco’s situation. He is now in Reynosa, a dangerous border city.
Claudia Galan, Galicia’s attorney, told The News that CBPs decision to hold Galicia despite his citizenship was likely tied to the issuance of a visitor’s visa that agents found in their records after they scanned his fingerprints.
Galicia’s mother obtained the visa for him when he was a minor and claimed he was born in Mexico.
He didn’t have a U.S. passport because when he was born in Dallas, Sanjuana used a fake name on his birth certificate.
She feared the only way she’d be able to legally travel across the border with her U.S. citizen son was with the visa.
But Galicia says CBP agents doubted the validity of his documents even before he was fingerprinted.
“Powerless. That’s how I felt. How with all this proof that I was giving them could they hold me?” he said.
Galicia says the documents he presented at the CBP checkpoint have not been returned to him.
CBP has not confirmed whether the old visa was why they detained Galicia.
Sanjuana Galicia said she was just glad to have her son home.
“I’m just so thankful to God and to everyone who spoke up about my son’s situation. I’m glad to have him back home, but I need my other son back,” she said.
Well now. Turns out those nasty allegations from the Congressmen and women that visited the camps now have someone who actually had to live in one for 3 weeks, a CITIZEN no less confirming basically most of what they were talking about.
Wonder how the Right is gonna spin this one. An American Citizen was held in these holds, not allowed to even call his family and the agents that captured him had 3 different documents shown to them that proved his citizenship and still took him.
People in the reddit threads are saying this kid should tesitfy in front of the UN, I think that's asking a bit much of someone who just went through all of that especially since I doubt the Trump administration would pay any heed to UN condemnations any way.
They’ll say he’s not a real American. You act like this is the first time the US gov has failed to protect the rights of a nonwhite citizen. It’s not citizenship that gives you rights, it’s club membership. That’s why so many citizens can’t vire and why the right works so hard to stop more.
I dare them to try it. In an election year, i DARE Fox News to try and use that spin angle.
Is this your first time in America? Of course they will. You’re acting like this would be some new low, an obscene new line crossed. This is normal. This is what normal looks like. It’s what it has always looked like.
Trust me, I'm well aware of the history. The demographics are much different now though, and this kind of issue rallies people that are usually Republican allies against them. For example, the Jewish Community has been outraged about these camps, and as far as I know they've been a split demographic in the last few elections. Same with some Hispanics (Plenty of Conservative Catholics after all) and this kind of thing has pushed nearly all of them to the Liberal side. It's just stripping the small Republican base of any allies it could draw on.
These scandals are rocking the news cycle so much that no one is even paying attention anymore to the circus that is the Democrat primary. That should be telling enough.
Maybe I'm also being cynical, but I could totally see Fox News perpetuating the whole white supremacist / real-Americans-look-like-us mantra, the same way they enabled the Obama birther conspiracy and pretty much everything else candidate Trump said (during the last presidential election year).
There's already plenty of Fox News pushing the "immigrants threaten America as we know it" bullshit sprinkled throughout their everyday programming. It wouldn't be anything new. The superwhite, half-synthetic people they pay handsomely to peddle this stuff are what they want us to think "real" Americans look like. And anyone who tells you differently from them is wrong.
I guess I look at it this way: if it's anything xDaunt used to say in earnest, it's something Fox News will say, perhaps with additional dogwhistles. Therefore the idea that they would say immigrants and brown people threaten whiteWestern values tracks perfectly.
Fox news doesn't have to spin it. Fox news can just simply not report it.
Or just claim it is not real.
I like how we all just naturally assume that Fox news is simply the Republican/Trump media arm, but I guess that has been the reality for a few years now.
Francisco Erwin Galicia, a Dallas-born U.S. citizen, spent 23 days in the custody of U.S. Customs and Border Protection in conditions that made him so desperate he almost opted to self-deport.
Galicia says he lost 26 pounds during that time in a South Texas immigrant detention center because officers didn’t provide him with enough food.
He said he wasn’t allowed to shower and his skin was dry and dirty.
He and 60 other men were crammed into an overcrowded holding area where they slept on the floor and were given only aluminum-foil blankets, he said. Some men had to sleep on the restroom area floor.
Ticks bit some of the men and some were very sick, Galicia said. But many were afraid to ask to go to the doctor because CBP officers told them their stay would start over if they did, he said.
“It was inhumane how they treated us. It got to the point where I was ready to sign a deportation paper just to not be suffering there anymore. I just needed to get out of there,” he said.
Galicia spoke to The Dallas Morning News on Wednesday, one day after he was released by federal officials who had earlier refused to acknowledge his citizenship when presented with his birth certificate.
CBP and Immigration and Customs Enforcement officials did not respond to Galicia's claims of poor conditions at the CBP holding facility. But the agencies issued a joint statement Wednesday evening addressing their decision to detain him. The explanation came two days after The News first broke the story of his detention and made repeated requests for comment to both agencies.
"Generally, situations including conflicting reports from the individual and multiple birth certificates can, and should, take more time to verify," the statement read. "While we continue to research the facts of the situation, this individual has been released from ICE custody. Both CBP and ICE are committed to the fair treatment of migrants in our custody and continue to take appropriate steps to verify all facts of this situation."
For most of the time Galicia was held by federal authorities, he said he lived under conditions that many asylum-seeking immigrants have reportedly faced over the past year, leading to much public outcry from politicians and public figures.
Galicia said he met people from all over: Nicaraguans, Hondurans, Salvadorans, Colombians.
“It’s one thing to see these conditions on TV and in the news. It’s another to go through them,” he said.
Galicia was released Tuesday afternoon from the ICE detention center in Pearsall where he’d been since Saturday. His release came less than 24 hours after The News first reported on his detention. Before Saturday, he’d been held for about three weeks at a CBP facility in Falfurrias, where he reported the squalid conditions.
Galicia’s ordeal began on June 27 when he and his younger brother Marlon Galicia and three friends set out for Ranger College in North Texas from Edinburg where the Galicia family lives.
They were heading to a soccer scouting event where the brothers, who both play defense for the Johnny Economedes High School soccer team, were hoping to land scholarships.
“We’re supposed to graduate from high school next year, and we wanted to do something to secure our education,” Francisco Galicia said.
But the boys had to pass through a CBP checkpoint in Falfurrias, about 50 miles north of Edinburg. It was there that CBP agents asked the group to pull over and asked the passengers their statuses.
Marlon Galicia and another passenger lacked legal status. Francisco Galicia told Border Patrol agents that he was a citizen and presented them with a Texas ID, Social Security card and a wallet-sized birth certificate.
But agents doubted the validity of his documents right away, Galicia said.
Agents then took the brothers and another passenger into custody. They held them at the checkpoint for a day and then moved them to a CBP holding facility, where Francisco hoped he would be allowed a phone call.
“I told them we had rights and asked to make a phone call. But they told us, ‘You don’t have rights to anything’,” Francisco Galicia said.
Two days after they were taken into custody, Marlon, who was born in Mexico, decided to voluntarily deport so that he could tell their mother, Sanjuana Galicia, about Francisco’s situation. He is now in Reynosa, a dangerous border city.
Claudia Galan, Galicia’s attorney, told The News that CBPs decision to hold Galicia despite his citizenship was likely tied to the issuance of a visitor’s visa that agents found in their records after they scanned his fingerprints.
Galicia’s mother obtained the visa for him when he was a minor and claimed he was born in Mexico.
He didn’t have a U.S. passport because when he was born in Dallas, Sanjuana used a fake name on his birth certificate.
She feared the only way she’d be able to legally travel across the border with her U.S. citizen son was with the visa.
But Galicia says CBP agents doubted the validity of his documents even before he was fingerprinted.
“Powerless. That’s how I felt. How with all this proof that I was giving them could they hold me?” he said.
Galicia says the documents he presented at the CBP checkpoint have not been returned to him.
CBP has not confirmed whether the old visa was why they detained Galicia.
Sanjuana Galicia said she was just glad to have her son home.
“I’m just so thankful to God and to everyone who spoke up about my son’s situation. I’m glad to have him back home, but I need my other son back,” she said.
Well now. Turns out those nasty allegations from the Congressmen and women that visited the camps now have someone who actually had to live in one for 3 weeks, a CITIZEN no less confirming basically most of what they were talking about.
Wonder how the Right is gonna spin this one. An American Citizen was held in these holds, not allowed to even call his family and the agents that captured him had 3 different documents shown to them that proved his citizenship and still took him.
People in the reddit threads are saying this kid should tesitfy in front of the UN, I think that's asking a bit much of someone who just went through all of that especially since I doubt the Trump administration would pay any heed to UN condemnations any way.
They’ll say he’s not a real American. You act like this is the first time the US gov has failed to protect the rights of a nonwhite citizen. It’s not citizenship that gives you rights, it’s club membership. That’s why so many citizens can’t vire and why the right works so hard to stop more.
I dare them to try it. In an election year, i DARE Fox News to try and use that spin angle.
Is this your first time in America? Of course they will. You’re acting like this would be some new low, an obscene new line crossed. This is normal. This is what normal looks like. It’s what it has always looked like.
Trust me, I'm well aware of the history. The demographics are much different now though, and this kind of issue rallies people that are usually Republican allies against them. For example, the Jewish Community has been outraged about these camps, and as far as I know they've been a split demographic in the last few elections. Same with some Hispanics (Plenty of Conservative Catholics after all) and this kind of thing has pushed nearly all of them to the Liberal side. It's just stripping the small Republican base of any allies it could draw on.
These scandals are rocking the news cycle so much that no one is even paying attention anymore to the circus that is the Democrat primary. That should be telling enough.
Maybe I'm also being cynical, but I could totally see Fox News perpetuating the whole white supremacist / real-Americans-look-like-us mantra, the same way they enabled the Obama birther conspiracy and pretty much everything else candidate Trump said (during the last presidential election year).
There's already plenty of Fox News pushing the "immigrants threaten America as we know it" bullshit sprinkled throughout their everyday programming. It wouldn't be anything new. The superwhite, half-synthetic people they pay handsomely to peddle this stuff are what they want us to think "real" Americans look like. And anyone who tells you differently from them is wrong.
I guess I look at it this way: if it's anything xDaunt used to say in earnest, it's something Fox News will say, perhaps with additional dogwhistles. Therefore the idea that they would say immigrants and brown people threaten whiteWestern values tracks perfectly.
Yeah, Tucker Carlson is probably the clearest example of that.
Among the shocking things about this story is that the man lost 26 pounds in 3 weeks. They must have barely been feeding him for him have lost that much weight. This really doesn't help the argument that those detention centers aren't concentration camps.
On July 26 2019 06:20 Dangermousecatdog wrote: Fox news doesn't have to spin it. Fox news can just simply not report it.
Or just claim it is not real.
I like how we all just naturally assume that Fox news is simply the Republican/Trump media arm, but I guess that has been the reality for a few years now.
People who watch Fox News exclusively, and I know a few, literally don't know that Mueller's report says anything bad about Trump. On most of the occasions in which I've had the misfortune of catching Fox News during a poor news cycle for Trump (which happens to be most of them), they're reporting something else entirely, usually about some disaster or attack. They take the "if it's bad just don't report it" mantra very seriously.
Francisco Erwin Galicia, a Dallas-born U.S. citizen, spent 23 days in the custody of U.S. Customs and Border Protection in conditions that made him so desperate he almost opted to self-deport.
Galicia says he lost 26 pounds during that time in a South Texas immigrant detention center because officers didn’t provide him with enough food.
He said he wasn’t allowed to shower and his skin was dry and dirty.
He and 60 other men were crammed into an overcrowded holding area where they slept on the floor and were given only aluminum-foil blankets, he said. Some men had to sleep on the restroom area floor.
Ticks bit some of the men and some were very sick, Galicia said. But many were afraid to ask to go to the doctor because CBP officers told them their stay would start over if they did, he said.
“It was inhumane how they treated us. It got to the point where I was ready to sign a deportation paper just to not be suffering there anymore. I just needed to get out of there,” he said.
Galicia spoke to The Dallas Morning News on Wednesday, one day after he was released by federal officials who had earlier refused to acknowledge his citizenship when presented with his birth certificate.
CBP and Immigration and Customs Enforcement officials did not respond to Galicia's claims of poor conditions at the CBP holding facility. But the agencies issued a joint statement Wednesday evening addressing their decision to detain him. The explanation came two days after The News first broke the story of his detention and made repeated requests for comment to both agencies.
"Generally, situations including conflicting reports from the individual and multiple birth certificates can, and should, take more time to verify," the statement read. "While we continue to research the facts of the situation, this individual has been released from ICE custody. Both CBP and ICE are committed to the fair treatment of migrants in our custody and continue to take appropriate steps to verify all facts of this situation."
For most of the time Galicia was held by federal authorities, he said he lived under conditions that many asylum-seeking immigrants have reportedly faced over the past year, leading to much public outcry from politicians and public figures.
Galicia said he met people from all over: Nicaraguans, Hondurans, Salvadorans, Colombians.
“It’s one thing to see these conditions on TV and in the news. It’s another to go through them,” he said.
Galicia was released Tuesday afternoon from the ICE detention center in Pearsall where he’d been since Saturday. His release came less than 24 hours after The News first reported on his detention. Before Saturday, he’d been held for about three weeks at a CBP facility in Falfurrias, where he reported the squalid conditions.
Galicia’s ordeal began on June 27 when he and his younger brother Marlon Galicia and three friends set out for Ranger College in North Texas from Edinburg where the Galicia family lives.
They were heading to a soccer scouting event where the brothers, who both play defense for the Johnny Economedes High School soccer team, were hoping to land scholarships.
“We’re supposed to graduate from high school next year, and we wanted to do something to secure our education,” Francisco Galicia said.
But the boys had to pass through a CBP checkpoint in Falfurrias, about 50 miles north of Edinburg. It was there that CBP agents asked the group to pull over and asked the passengers their statuses.
Marlon Galicia and another passenger lacked legal status. Francisco Galicia told Border Patrol agents that he was a citizen and presented them with a Texas ID, Social Security card and a wallet-sized birth certificate.
But agents doubted the validity of his documents right away, Galicia said.
Agents then took the brothers and another passenger into custody. They held them at the checkpoint for a day and then moved them to a CBP holding facility, where Francisco hoped he would be allowed a phone call.
“I told them we had rights and asked to make a phone call. But they told us, ‘You don’t have rights to anything’,” Francisco Galicia said.
Two days after they were taken into custody, Marlon, who was born in Mexico, decided to voluntarily deport so that he could tell their mother, Sanjuana Galicia, about Francisco’s situation. He is now in Reynosa, a dangerous border city.
Claudia Galan, Galicia’s attorney, told The News that CBPs decision to hold Galicia despite his citizenship was likely tied to the issuance of a visitor’s visa that agents found in their records after they scanned his fingerprints.
Galicia’s mother obtained the visa for him when he was a minor and claimed he was born in Mexico.
He didn’t have a U.S. passport because when he was born in Dallas, Sanjuana used a fake name on his birth certificate.
She feared the only way she’d be able to legally travel across the border with her U.S. citizen son was with the visa.
But Galicia says CBP agents doubted the validity of his documents even before he was fingerprinted.
“Powerless. That’s how I felt. How with all this proof that I was giving them could they hold me?” he said.
Galicia says the documents he presented at the CBP checkpoint have not been returned to him.
CBP has not confirmed whether the old visa was why they detained Galicia.
Sanjuana Galicia said she was just glad to have her son home.
“I’m just so thankful to God and to everyone who spoke up about my son’s situation. I’m glad to have him back home, but I need my other son back,” she said.
Well now. Turns out those nasty allegations from the Congressmen and women that visited the camps now have someone who actually had to live in one for 3 weeks, a CITIZEN no less confirming basically most of what they were talking about.
Wonder how the Right is gonna spin this one. An American Citizen was held in these holds, not allowed to even call his family and the agents that captured him had 3 different documents shown to them that proved his citizenship and still took him.
People in the reddit threads are saying this kid should tesitfy in front of the UN, I think that's asking a bit much of someone who just went through all of that especially since I doubt the Trump administration would pay any heed to UN condemnations any way.
They’ll say he’s not a real American. You act like this is the first time the US gov has failed to protect the rights of a nonwhite citizen. It’s not citizenship that gives you rights, it’s club membership. That’s why so many citizens can’t vire and why the right works so hard to stop more.
I dare them to try it. In an election year, i DARE Fox News to try and use that spin angle.
Is this your first time in America? Of course they will. You’re acting like this would be some new low, an obscene new line crossed. This is normal. This is what normal looks like. It’s what it has always looked like.
Trust me, I'm well aware of the history. The demographics are much different now though, and this kind of issue rallies people that are usually Republican allies against them. For example, the Jewish Community has been outraged about these camps, and as far as I know they've been a split demographic in the last few elections. Same with some Hispanics (Plenty of Conservative Catholics after all) and this kind of thing has pushed nearly all of them to the Liberal side. It's just stripping the small Republican base of any allies it could draw on.
These scandals are rocking the news cycle so much that no one is even paying attention anymore to the circus that is the Democrat primary. That should be telling enough.
Maybe I'm also being cynical, but I could totally see Fox News perpetuating the whole white supremacist / real-Americans-look-like-us mantra, the same way they enabled the Obama birther conspiracy and pretty much everything else candidate Trump said (during the last presidential election year).
There's already plenty of Fox News pushing the "immigrants threaten America as we know it" bullshit sprinkled throughout their everyday programming. It wouldn't be anything new. The superwhite, half-synthetic people they pay handsomely to peddle this stuff are what they want us to think "real" Americans look like. And anyone who tells you differently from them is wrong.
I guess I look at it this way: if it's anything xDaunt used to say in earnest, it's something Fox News will say, perhaps with additional dogwhistles. Therefore the idea that they would say immigrants and brown people threaten whiteWestern values tracks perfectly.
Yeah, Tucker Carlson is probably the clearest example of that.
Among the shocking things about this story is that the man lost 26 pounds in 3 weeks. They must have barely been feeding him for him have lost that much weight. This really doesn't help the argument that those detention centers aren't concentration camps.
Holy crap I haven't heard the 26 lbs part.
You have to be severely dehydrated and unfed to lose that much weight in 3 weeks. Every lb is 3500 calories and it's pretty hard to lose much more than 8lbs of water weight without starting to encounter problems. If that's representative and based on the leaked reports so far I'm sure it is, then calling it a concentration camp is justified
So, about a pound a day. Anyone who has ever tried losing weight (So, everyone?) can tell you that you pretty much cannot lose half a kg of weight each day through any reasonable means. So basically, they are starving the people there.
Now, i know the americans are all very upset that this is happening to an american. But you should really be upset that it is happening to people, regardless of their nationality.
Francisco Erwin Galicia, a Dallas-born U.S. citizen, spent 23 days in the custody of U.S. Customs and Border Protection in conditions that made him so desperate he almost opted to self-deport.
Galicia says he lost 26 pounds during that time in a South Texas immigrant detention center because officers didn’t provide him with enough food.
He said he wasn’t allowed to shower and his skin was dry and dirty.
He and 60 other men were crammed into an overcrowded holding area where they slept on the floor and were given only aluminum-foil blankets, he said. Some men had to sleep on the restroom area floor.
Ticks bit some of the men and some were very sick, Galicia said. But many were afraid to ask to go to the doctor because CBP officers told them their stay would start over if they did, he said.
“It was inhumane how they treated us. It got to the point where I was ready to sign a deportation paper just to not be suffering there anymore. I just needed to get out of there,” he said.
Galicia spoke to The Dallas Morning News on Wednesday, one day after he was released by federal officials who had earlier refused to acknowledge his citizenship when presented with his birth certificate.
CBP and Immigration and Customs Enforcement officials did not respond to Galicia's claims of poor conditions at the CBP holding facility. But the agencies issued a joint statement Wednesday evening addressing their decision to detain him. The explanation came two days after The News first broke the story of his detention and made repeated requests for comment to both agencies.
"Generally, situations including conflicting reports from the individual and multiple birth certificates can, and should, take more time to verify," the statement read. "While we continue to research the facts of the situation, this individual has been released from ICE custody. Both CBP and ICE are committed to the fair treatment of migrants in our custody and continue to take appropriate steps to verify all facts of this situation."
For most of the time Galicia was held by federal authorities, he said he lived under conditions that many asylum-seeking immigrants have reportedly faced over the past year, leading to much public outcry from politicians and public figures.
Galicia said he met people from all over: Nicaraguans, Hondurans, Salvadorans, Colombians.
“It’s one thing to see these conditions on TV and in the news. It’s another to go through them,” he said.
Galicia was released Tuesday afternoon from the ICE detention center in Pearsall where he’d been since Saturday. His release came less than 24 hours after The News first reported on his detention. Before Saturday, he’d been held for about three weeks at a CBP facility in Falfurrias, where he reported the squalid conditions.
Galicia’s ordeal began on June 27 when he and his younger brother Marlon Galicia and three friends set out for Ranger College in North Texas from Edinburg where the Galicia family lives.
They were heading to a soccer scouting event where the brothers, who both play defense for the Johnny Economedes High School soccer team, were hoping to land scholarships.
“We’re supposed to graduate from high school next year, and we wanted to do something to secure our education,” Francisco Galicia said.
But the boys had to pass through a CBP checkpoint in Falfurrias, about 50 miles north of Edinburg. It was there that CBP agents asked the group to pull over and asked the passengers their statuses.
Marlon Galicia and another passenger lacked legal status. Francisco Galicia told Border Patrol agents that he was a citizen and presented them with a Texas ID, Social Security card and a wallet-sized birth certificate.
But agents doubted the validity of his documents right away, Galicia said.
Agents then took the brothers and another passenger into custody. They held them at the checkpoint for a day and then moved them to a CBP holding facility, where Francisco hoped he would be allowed a phone call.
“I told them we had rights and asked to make a phone call. But they told us, ‘You don’t have rights to anything’,” Francisco Galicia said.
Two days after they were taken into custody, Marlon, who was born in Mexico, decided to voluntarily deport so that he could tell their mother, Sanjuana Galicia, about Francisco’s situation. He is now in Reynosa, a dangerous border city.
Claudia Galan, Galicia’s attorney, told The News that CBPs decision to hold Galicia despite his citizenship was likely tied to the issuance of a visitor’s visa that agents found in their records after they scanned his fingerprints.
Galicia’s mother obtained the visa for him when he was a minor and claimed he was born in Mexico.
He didn’t have a U.S. passport because when he was born in Dallas, Sanjuana used a fake name on his birth certificate.
She feared the only way she’d be able to legally travel across the border with her U.S. citizen son was with the visa.
But Galicia says CBP agents doubted the validity of his documents even before he was fingerprinted.
“Powerless. That’s how I felt. How with all this proof that I was giving them could they hold me?” he said.
Galicia says the documents he presented at the CBP checkpoint have not been returned to him.
CBP has not confirmed whether the old visa was why they detained Galicia.
Sanjuana Galicia said she was just glad to have her son home.
“I’m just so thankful to God and to everyone who spoke up about my son’s situation. I’m glad to have him back home, but I need my other son back,” she said.
Well now. Turns out those nasty allegations from the Congressmen and women that visited the camps now have someone who actually had to live in one for 3 weeks, a CITIZEN no less confirming basically most of what they were talking about.
Wonder how the Right is gonna spin this one. An American Citizen was held in these holds, not allowed to even call his family and the agents that captured him had 3 different documents shown to them that proved his citizenship and still took him.
People in the reddit threads are saying this kid should tesitfy in front of the UN, I think that's asking a bit much of someone who just went through all of that especially since I doubt the Trump administration would pay any heed to UN condemnations any way.
They’ll say he’s not a real American. You act like this is the first time the US gov has failed to protect the rights of a nonwhite citizen. It’s not citizenship that gives you rights, it’s club membership. That’s why so many citizens can’t vire and why the right works so hard to stop more.
I dare them to try it. In an election year, i DARE Fox News to try and use that spin angle.
Is this your first time in America? Of course they will. You’re acting like this would be some new low, an obscene new line crossed. This is normal. This is what normal looks like. It’s what it has always looked like.
Trust me, I'm well aware of the history. The demographics are much different now though, and this kind of issue rallies people that are usually Republican allies against them. For example, the Jewish Community has been outraged about these camps, and as far as I know they've been a split demographic in the last few elections. Same with some Hispanics (Plenty of Conservative Catholics after all) and this kind of thing has pushed nearly all of them to the Liberal side. It's just stripping the small Republican base of any allies it could draw on.
These scandals are rocking the news cycle so much that no one is even paying attention anymore to the circus that is the Democrat primary. That should be telling enough.
Maybe I'm also being cynical, but I could totally see Fox News perpetuating the whole white supremacist / real-Americans-look-like-us mantra, the same way they enabled the Obama birther conspiracy and pretty much everything else candidate Trump said (during the last presidential election year).
There's already plenty of Fox News pushing the "immigrants threaten America as we know it" bullshit sprinkled throughout their everyday programming. It wouldn't be anything new. The superwhite, half-synthetic people they pay handsomely to peddle this stuff are what they want us to think "real" Americans look like. And anyone who tells you differently from them is wrong.
I guess I look at it this way: if it's anything xDaunt used to say in earnest, it's something Fox News will say, perhaps with additional dogwhistles. Therefore the idea that they would say immigrants and brown people threaten whiteWestern values tracks perfectly.
Yeah, Tucker Carlson is probably the clearest example of that.
Among the shocking things about this story is that the man lost 26 pounds in 3 weeks. They must have barely been feeding him for him have lost that much weight. This really doesn't help the argument that those detention centers aren't concentration camps.
Holy crap I haven't heard the 26 lbs part.
You have to be severely dehydrated and unfed to lose that much weight in 3 weeks. Every lb is 3500 calories and it's pretty hard to lose much more than 8lbs of water weight without starting to encounter problems. If that's representative and based on the leaked reports so far I'm sure it is, then calling it a concentration camp is justified
Yeah, they certainly aren't summer camps. Nazi concentration camps (the one's who apparently stole the rights to the term) didn't start all that dissimilar from ours. I'm not sure anyone has been prosecuted for the deaths, rapes, or neglect in the US camps though?
Legally ambigious, run by people outside of the traditional law enforcement system, increasingly violent and dehumanizing views and actions were all features that preceded an intentional extermination campaign and we share.
The K.L. was defined from the beginning by its legal ambiguity. The camps were outside ordinary law, answerable not to judges and courts but to the S.S. and Himmler. At the same time, they were governed by an extensive set of regulations, which covered everything from their layout (including decorative flower beds) to the whipping of prisoners, which in theory had to be approved on a case-by-case basis by Himmler personally. Yet these regulations were often ignored by the camp S.S.—physical violence, for instance, was endemic, and the idea that a guard would have to ask permission before beating or even killing a prisoner was laughable. Strangely, however, it was possible, in the prewar years, at least, for a guard to be prosecuted for such a killing. In 1937, Paul Zeidler was among a group of guards who strangled a prisoner who had been a prominent churchman and judge; when the case attracted publicity, the S.S. allowed Zeidler to be charged and convicted. (He was sentenced to a year in jail.)
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