EPTIt's not just democrats that need to cooperate here.
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ShoCkeyy
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It's not just democrats that need to cooperate here. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15607 Posts
My wife and I celebrated with an appropriate 830 AM Coors light cheers: "to America being #1". | ||
Liquid`Drone
Norway28631 Posts
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12142 Posts
Besides you need to hear the arguments about the camps. They are meant to be shitholes, it's supposed to discourage people from coming to the US. You can't at the same time argue that their shittiness fills a major role for the Republicans and that it's not the Republicans' fault that they are shitty. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
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Liquid`Drone
Norway28631 Posts
On July 05 2019 01:28 xDaunt wrote: I’m not sure what people want from the camps. It’s not reasonable to expect that these people would all be warehoused at the Ritz Carlton. Hell, I doubt Corey Booker had the courtesy of putting up the illegals that he smuggled across the border this week (which is yet more proof of the fact that the democrats are pro open borders). toothbrushes and blankets? Why are you bringing up the ritz carlton? There's no fucking excuse whatsoever to not provide toothbrushes and blankets for a country like the US. | ||
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ShoCkeyy
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On July 05 2019 01:30 Liquid`Drone wrote: toothbrushes and blankets? Why are you bringing up the ritz carlton? There's no fucking excuse whatsoever to not provide toothbrushes and blankets for a country like the US. xDaunt also seems to forget why Anne Frank died... She didn't die because she was thrown into a gas chamber or furnace... She died because she got sick from having Typhus due to the lack of hygiene products. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On July 05 2019 01:30 Liquid`Drone wrote: toothbrushes and blankets? Why are you bringing up the ritz carlton? There's no fucking excuse whatsoever to not provide toothbrushes and blankets for a country like the US. You can’t just snap your fingers and expect this stuff to show up. It has to be provisioned and funded. And let’s be crystal clear: this isn’t a new problem. This squalor in the camps existed under Obama, too. The problem is simply more acute now because the flow of migrants has increased. This is why Trump was always correct to call this situation a crisis. Like I said, the true culprit here is a do-nothing Congress (led primarily by democrats) that have refused to address the situation until very recently. | ||
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ShoCkeyy
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On July 05 2019 01:37 xDaunt wrote: You can’t just snap your fingers and expect this stuff to show up. It has to be provisioned and funded. And let’s be crystal clear: this isn’t a new problem. This squalor in the camps existed under Obama, too. The problem is simply more acute now because the flow of migrants has increased. This is why Trump was always correct to call this situation a crisis. Like I said, the true culprit here is a do-nothing Congress (led primarily by democrats) that have refused to address the situation until very recently. I thought we discussed this before. Obama doubled border funding. Why can't republicans accept border money without a wall? | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On July 05 2019 01:41 ShoCkeyy wrote: I thought we discussed this before. Obama doubled border funding. Why can't republicans accept border money without a wall? Obama had shitty camps just like Trump did. His increase in border funding was demonstrably insufficient back then and speaks more to the lack of seriousness with which his party (and many republicans) previously treated the problem than anything else. | ||
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ShoCkeyy
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And if I recall, Obama proposed multiple Border bills, which republicans refused to even vote on. "The failure of House Republicans to pass a darn bill is bad for our security, it's bad for our economy, and it's bad for our future," - Obama | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On July 05 2019 01:49 ShoCkeyy wrote: Didn't answer my question. If it's shitty, and we're offering money for facilities and more border patrol, why can't republicans accept it to help the cause without a wall? Because what Democrats previously offered was insufficient and poison pilled with other shit. We’ve already been over this. | ||
Destructicon
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Thats like telling the world, if you manage to enter the US, and manage to somehow stay there for long enough illegally, you gain citizenship. That makes no sense at all, you break the law by entering a country illegally you get kicked out, or at least that's how it should be. Again, I don't see any problem in letting real refugees or documented and qualified immigrants stay, but it makes no sense to continually allow the illegals to stay. | ||
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ShoCkeyy
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12142 Posts
Destructicon: that's not what I pointed out at all. | ||
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Liquid`Drone
Norway28631 Posts
On July 05 2019 01:37 xDaunt wrote: You can’t just snap your fingers and expect this stuff to show up. It has to be provisioned and funded. And let’s be crystal clear: this isn’t a new problem. This squalor in the camps existed under Obama, too. The problem is simply more acute now because the flow of migrants has increased. This is why Trump was always correct to call this a crisis. Like I said, the true culprits here is a do-nothing Congress (led primarily by democrats) that have refused to address the situation until very recently. Your first line backs up my argument - this isn't a new problem, so it should have been possible to fix. I understand if you go from 0 immigration to a whole lot of immigration all of a sudden you're caught unprepared, but here you're dealing with a constant fluctuating stream, and in that case, you should be able to at least provide the bare necessities (I regard toothbrushes and blankets as part of this - I think being understaffed and not having enough sleeping space is more acceptable, because I understand that these are hard to quickly come by, but tooth brushes and blankets are not expensive and not hard to buy a bulk of. ) Like, I'm not putting the blame here squarely on republicans. Firstly I don't really care who is responsible or not, I just want the problem fixed because there are currently thousands of innocent children who are being hurt in a way that might well traumatize them for life, and I want that to stop. Secondly because I am sure democrats of the past are guilty of not doing a good job, too. However, I am left with the impression that part of the current problem is a deliberate mishandling by republicans. My impression is that many republicans want the conditions for immigrants who come to the US to be bad because they want to deter more immigrants from coming. I understand not wanting immigrants, and I understand wanting strict border enforcement, wanting quick processing of asylum applications (it's much better if an asylum application is rejected in 2 weeks than in 2 years). I don't agree with these political positions (I want more immigration and reject the notion that I'm more entitled to a good life due to place of birth than people who are not) - but I don't have a problem with them. However the treatment of immigrant children is plain unacceptable. Full stop. From a politican's point of view, and apparently, also from the border patrol's point of view. I mean, I am a teacher. I fully understand being overwhelmed and not being able to handle the needs of every child, and I fully understand that it's possible to be empathetic towards the children while also joking around with your colleagues. But it's just.. It's not that. When I see some of the comments shared between border patrol agents and some of the statements from Trump and other republican politicians, I see a real element of thinking that these immigrant children are less deserving of a good life than american children are because they are not born in the US. | ||
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Liquid`Drone
Norway28631 Posts
On July 05 2019 01:53 Destructicon wrote: Because even with the doubled funds it didn't work. And as Nebuchad pointed out, Trump didn't accept the deal offered to him because it had strings attached, pardon large numbers of illegal immigrants and give then citizenship. Thats like telling the world, if you manage to enter the US, and manage to somehow stay there for long enough illegally, you gain citizenship. That makes no sense at all, you break the law by entering a country illegally you get kicked out, or at least that's how it should be. Again, I don't see any problem in letting real refugees or documented and qualified immigrants stay, but it makes no sense to continually allow the illegals to stay. Aren't dreamers children who had no say in the decision to come to the US in the first place? How do you justify blaming and punishing them for the actions of their parents? | ||
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Liquid`Drone
Norway28631 Posts
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GreenHorizons
United States23128 Posts
On July 04 2019 23:38 Mohdoo wrote: I'm happy to finally be an age where my Facebook isn't filled with "yeah but what about imperialism and war, check fucking mate" on the 4th of July Wouldn't want a history (and contemporary perpetuation) of terrorism and horrific practices to spoil your BBQ pictures in your facebook feed lol. I get people like to mindlessly celebrate the holiday but this sentiment actually disgusts me. EDIT: We've got kids fleeing almost certain death only to be ripped from their parents, thrown in a cage, and criminally neglected/abused by the same country being celebrated while lamenting people with the audacity to interrupt people's mindless celebration with the reality of the absurdity of the holiday/celebration itself. This is what I mean when I say Intro's blasé attitude toward federal workers that missed some paychecks has nothing on the regular disregard of lives of people not in the US (or worthy in their eyes of human rights) | ||
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riotjune
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