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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
Just for future reference. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24021 Posts
On May 10 2019 06:23 xDaunt wrote: I'm genuinely curious as to how many of the posters around here truly believe that Trump's comment at the rally is important enough to talk about. I'd really like to know who each of these posters is for future reference. I think there's two distinct things you're getting at. 1. The political effectiveness of this as a talking point 2. The troubling nature of the comments amidst an already toxic social atmosphere. 1. You're right, it's largely useless as a political talking point 2. You're wrong about this comment in the greater context of rhetoric and actions reflective of fascist tendencies and "cultural" ethnostates. At least that's my position. | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
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Saryph
United States1955 Posts
Sorry in advance if I am wrong on the particular of the amendment they're voting on. | ||
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farvacola
United States18863 Posts
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
The chair recognized the point of order, which is generally shared in assemblies/legislatures of the states. | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
Danglars showing that he does not care for democracy. As long as his side wins. | ||
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IyMoon
United States1249 Posts
On May 10 2019 06:46 Dangermousecatdog wrote: I've seen auctions pass slower than that. The guy talking just ignores the other guy shouting whoa whoa whoa. Danglars showing that he does not care for democracy. As long as his side wins. Danglars didnt endorse anything... he just said this could be what happened and guess with lack of context. there is nothing wrong with what he said or anyway you could get that from this one post | ||
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NewSunshine
United States5938 Posts
On May 10 2019 05:49 xDaunt wrote: See, I find this to be a particularly stupid and insulting question. It should be obvious from my posting history that I don't bother bitching about trivial shit like this. It's generally beneath me. And believe me, there is no shortage of stupid jokes and other public faux pas that democrats have made that I could bring up around here. Long story short, don't project your love affair of the trivial upon others, and especially not me. I asked because I was curious how you saw the issue. You've made that abundantly clear. What the people at the rally said wasn't funny to me. What Trump said wasn't funny to me. That doesn't register as a joke to me. You can spin it however you like. The immigrants they threaten to shoot wouldn't find that funny. You have Trump supporters collecting thousands of guns, waiting for the chance to use them. They hear Trump and his supporters say these things at a rally, and they listen in earnest. This is not a joke to them. It's a White Supremacist rallying cry, by a bunch of White Supremacists. So I'm really happy for you that, in your privilege, you can sit there in all your smugness and say that the power Trump has is beneath you. But this is not funny to me, it's goddamn terrifying. It should be the same for you. I've laid my cards out, now that you've pressed me. You've made it clear just how funny you think this whole issue is. But I can guarantee you that the thousands of people that listen and cheer for Trump, and bring up the idea of shooting immigrants in a very public venue, they don't think it's funny. They think it's serious. So really, I don't care how funny you think it is. Good for you that you can be so detached about it. I'm glad I could insult you so with my stupid question. | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
On May 10 2019 06:48 IyMoon wrote: Danglars didnt endorse anything... he just said this could be what happened and guess with lack of context. there is nothing wrong with what he said or anyway you could get that from this one post Did he watch the same video? The context is the video. When the man at the bottom right raised he had and said I will. The guy in the upper chair just ignores him. Words were spoken like "All those in favour say aye. Any oppose? Motion is passed" All in quick succession. Just wow. This cannot be how any motion is supposed to be passed and we have some crackpot ceremonies in the UK. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On May 10 2019 06:36 Saryph wrote: Since a lot of you guys probably watch this stuff more than me, could you tell me if this is normal? Apparently they were trying to vote on an amendment to the Georgia abortion bill concerning giving life imprisonment for having an abortion? The speed at which that vote passes, and the attitude in general just doesn't make sense to me. If you know you've already won, why have a vote that lasts less than a couple of seconds? https://twitter.com/arlenparsa/status/1126525787451154432 Sorry in advance if I am wrong on the particular of the amendment they're voting on. It has become more normal, if that makes sense. We are seeing a lot of aggressive bills like this being passed in states held by Republicans. The new conservative Supreme Court hasn't been tested on abortion and they are desperate to see how much they can get away with. But the answer is that a bunch Republicans would support jailing women for getting abortions, if they could. And the rest just don't think it is a very important issue. | ||
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Simberto
Germany11875 Posts
On May 10 2019 06:53 Plansix wrote: It has become more normal, if that makes sense. We are seeing a lot of aggressive bills like this being passed in states held by Republicans. The new conservative Supreme Court hasn't been tested on abortion and they are desperate to see how much they can get away with. But the answer is that a bunch Republicans would support jailing women for getting abortions, if they could. And the rest just don't think it is a very important issue. Yeah, but this is more about the process than the result. Sure, we can talk forever about abortion and how much republicans suck. (Also a valid topic, but a different one) But what i find most weird here (And what i think was why that video was posted) is that there does not seem to actually be any vote or anything, the chairman just waves the whole thing through. There does not seem to be even a short pause in between "Any opposed" and "Motion passed" Which does not sound like that is how it is supposed to be from my laymans perspective. If you ask for a reaction, you should give enough time for that reaction to happen before moving on. Especially since there were clearly some people opposed. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On May 10 2019 07:02 Simberto wrote: Yeah, but this is more about the process than the result. Sure, we can talk forever about abortion and how much republicans suck. (Also a valid topic, but a different one) But what i find most weird here (And what i think was why that video was posted) is that there does not seem to actually be any vote or anything, the chairman just waves the whole thing through. There does not seem to be even a short pause in between "Any opposed" and "Motion passed" Which does not sound like that is how it is supposed to be from my laymans perspective. If you ask for a reaction, you should give enough time for that reaction to happen before moving on. Especially since there were clearly some people opposed. It is an amendment to a proposed bill, so what happened there is not the final vote. People can add things onto a bill, but that doesn't mean it becomes law. The US systems are not like parliamentary systems. We have two separate parts of our legislature that both draft bills and consolidate them to become one, final bill that then goes to the executive(governor or president) to be signed or vetoed. And I just give you the super condensed version. So what you saw there was a tiny part of a much larger process. Amendments can be added and killed at any point long that long path. | ||
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IgnE
United States7681 Posts
On May 10 2019 06:17 xDaunt wrote: My point is the following: regardless of whether what Trump said is actually a faux pas, who really gives a fuck? It's not informative. It's not interesting. It's not going to change anyone's mind about Trump. This is why I don't bother bringing up similar shit that Democrats say/do. As I have pointed out many times in this thread over the past few years, Democrats and liberals have demonstrated a real problem with being able to discern between important grounds to attack Trump on and trivial grounds to attack Trump on. Most people simply tune it all out now. Idk did you think Obama’s association with Rev. Wright and his Chicago church community was a big deal? I’m not saying you did but plenty of people who watched Fox News did. What is so offensive is not the joke itself (which is actually kind of funny) but that Trump always seems to find himself associating with these types of ignorant people, and, even worse, has to pander to them to get/stay elected. Just file it under “another reminder that Trump’s base is comprised of a lot of racist people.” | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On May 10 2019 06:48 NewSunshine wrote: I asked because I was curious how you saw the issue. You've made that abundantly clear. What the people at the rally said wasn't funny to me. What Trump said wasn't funny to me. That doesn't register as a joke to me. You can spin it however you like. The immigrants they threaten to shoot wouldn't find that funny. You have Trump supporters collecting thousands of guns, waiting for the chance to use them. They hear Trump and his supporters say these things at a rally, and they listen in earnest. This is not a joke to them. It's a White Supremacist rallying cry, by a bunch of White Supremacists. So I'm really happy for you that, in your privilege, you can sit there in all your smugness and say that the power Trump has is beneath you. But this is not funny to me, it's goddamn terrifying. It should be the same for you. I've laid my cards out, now that you've pressed me. You've made it clear just how funny you think this whole issue is. But I can guarantee you that the thousands of people that listen and cheer for Trump, and bring up the idea of shooting immigrants in a very public venue, they don't think it's funny. They think it's serious. So really, I don't care how funny you think it is. Good for you that you can be so detached about it. Pretty much nothing that you have written here is accurate about what I have said, so apparently nothing that I have said is "abundantly clear" to you. Your post is a giant straw man. So, no I'm not interested in your cards. You can play with yourself. User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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NewSunshine
United States5938 Posts
On May 10 2019 07:11 xDaunt wrote: Pretty much nothing that you have written here is accurate about what I have said, so apparently nothing that I have said is "abundantly clear" to you. Your post is a giant straw man. So, no I'm not interested in your cards. You can play with yourself. I'm not talking about what you've said. I don't really care. Your assessment of the rally is one perspective, and it's one I don't imagine that many people share in that crowd. I really don't care when you go to such lengths to convince me that you don't take "jokes" like that seriously. Because that crowd is filled with tons and tons of not-you people. They don't all have the same strength of virtue you clearly have. Your input is not necessary. I just wanted to give you an opportunity to see if you could recognize that. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On May 10 2019 07:09 IgnE wrote: Idk did you think Obama’s association with Rev. Wright and his Chicago church community was a big deal? I’m not saying you did but plenty of people who watched Fox News did. I thought that Obama's association with Rev. Wright and other radicals was a big deal worth discussing as it pertained to his world view and how he was likely to act as president. There's a big difference between the significance of the comments of the pastor at the church that you have been attending for 20+ years and and the significance of the comment of some random guy at your campaign rally. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
But man, it does make for an impressive line of attack, to think that Obama was taking this guys counsel for all this time. I can see why Fox News latched on. Not really seeing how anyone of substance believed it, however. | ||
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IgnE
United States7681 Posts
On May 10 2019 07:16 xDaunt wrote: I thought that Obama's association with Rev. Wright and other radicals was a big deal worth discussing as it pertained to his world view and how he was likely to act as president. There's a big difference between the significance of the comments of the pastor at the church that you have been attending for 20+ years and and the significance of the comment of some random guy at your campaign rally. yeah maybe except in this case many people justifiably believe that a large number of people in Trump’s audiences believe such comments | ||
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