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Howie_Dewitt
Profile Joined March 2014
United States1416 Posts
April 16 2018 21:13 GMT
#2441
I've decided that I'm going to read from the first post mentioning Donald Trump announcing his candidacy until now because I want to watch how the thread and the views of its posters have evolved. It'll be quite a lot of reading, but I've been reading every day almost since summer 2016 anyway. Wish me luck!

On a more topical note, Hannity seems like he has too much of a following to have the public turn on him. I'm not sure it won't affect his prosecution.
Sisyphus had a good gig going, the disappointment was predictable. | Visions of the Country (1978) is for when you're lost.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-04-16 21:19:02
April 16 2018 21:17 GMT
#2442
Maybe Cohen was working pro bono for the millionaire TV man?

I just work for attorneys, but attorney client privilege isn’t applied to every person the attorney talks to about law. Being retained by someone is a slightly more formal process than slipping the guy a ten spot. What I am saying is Cohen was getting his billed paid by someone, either Hannity or Fox.

Edit: @Howie - Why would you do that to yourself?
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
April 16 2018 21:25 GMT
#2443
Hannity saying he never paid Cohen is...even worse, right? Oh yeah, Sean? Then how were you making this worth Cohen's time?
Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12533 Posts
April 16 2018 21:28 GMT
#2444
On April 17 2018 06:13 Howie_Dewitt wrote:
I've decided that I'm going to read from the first post mentioning Donald Trump announcing his candidacy until now because I want to watch how the thread and the views of its posters have evolved. It'll be quite a lot of reading, but I've been reading every day almost since summer 2016 anyway. Wish me luck!

On a more topical note, Hannity seems like he has too much of a following to have the public turn on him. I'm not sure it won't affect his prosecution.


Make sure you give a shoutout to xDaunt on that one post where he tells us Trump is aiming for 80% popularity
No will to live, no wish to die
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-04-16 21:31:24
April 16 2018 21:30 GMT
#2445
I also don’t understand how he represents a host for a news network and a presidential candidate at the same time. That would be a conflict of interest at a basic level.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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IyMoon
Profile Joined April 2016
United States1249 Posts
April 16 2018 21:35 GMT
#2446
On April 17 2018 06:30 Plansix wrote:
I also don’t understand how he represents a host for a news network and a presidential candidate at the same time. That would be a conflict of interest at a basic level.


The president of the United States is still involved with a business that directly profits form him being president. Does anyone really care about the lawyer also having conflicts? Do conflicts matter anymore?
Something witty
Ayaz2810
Profile Joined September 2011
United States2763 Posts
April 16 2018 21:36 GMT
#2447
On April 17 2018 06:35 IyMoon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2018 06:30 Plansix wrote:
I also don’t understand how he represents a host for a news network and a presidential candidate at the same time. That would be a conflict of interest at a basic level.


The president of the United States is still involved with a business that directly profits form him being president. Does anyone really care about the lawyer also having conflicts? Do conflicts matter anymore?


Nothing matters anymore. If he were anyone else, he would have been removed from office a half dozen times over.
Vrtra Vanquisher/Tiamat Trouncer/World Serpent Slayer
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
April 16 2018 21:39 GMT
#2448
On April 17 2018 06:35 IyMoon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2018 06:30 Plansix wrote:
I also don’t understand how he represents a host for a news network and a presidential candidate at the same time. That would be a conflict of interest at a basic level.


The president of the United States is still involved with a business that directly profits form him being president. Does anyone really care about the lawyer also having conflicts? Do conflicts matter anymore?

It is sort of a rhetorical question. I understand these folks don't care about the rules. It is the fact that Hannity would seek out an attorney with a clear conflict of interest is just staggering. This representation doesn't even pass the smell test without the criminal indictment.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Womwomwom
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
5930 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-04-16 21:46:22
April 16 2018 21:43 GMT
#2449
When the Hannity news came on MSNBC, the hosts just laughed because its so ridiculous that there'd be a conflict of interest this extreme.

On April 17 2018 06:17 Plansix wrote:
Maybe Cohen was working pro bono for the millionaire TV man?

I just work for attorneys, but attorney client privilege isn’t applied to every person the attorney talks to about law. Being retained by someone is a slightly more formal process than slipping the guy a ten spot. What I am saying is Cohen was getting his billed paid by someone, either Hannity or Fox.

Edit: @Howie - Why would you do that to yourself?


I doubt it'd be Fox. They got better ways of dealing with whatever issues Hannity has than pay Cohen.
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
April 16 2018 21:56 GMT
#2450
On April 17 2018 06:39 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2018 06:35 IyMoon wrote:
On April 17 2018 06:30 Plansix wrote:
I also don’t understand how he represents a host for a news network and a presidential candidate at the same time. That would be a conflict of interest at a basic level.


The president of the United States is still involved with a business that directly profits form him being president. Does anyone really care about the lawyer also having conflicts? Do conflicts matter anymore?

It is sort of a rhetorical question. I understand these folks don't care about the rules. It is the fact that Hannity would seek out an attorney with a clear conflict of interest is just staggering. This representation doesn't even pass the smell test without the criminal indictment.

as i've only been loosely following the story: do we know how far back hannity first got cohen as counsel?
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
April 16 2018 22:07 GMT
#2451
On April 17 2018 06:56 zlefin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2018 06:39 Plansix wrote:
On April 17 2018 06:35 IyMoon wrote:
On April 17 2018 06:30 Plansix wrote:
I also don’t understand how he represents a host for a news network and a presidential candidate at the same time. That would be a conflict of interest at a basic level.


The president of the United States is still involved with a business that directly profits form him being president. Does anyone really care about the lawyer also having conflicts? Do conflicts matter anymore?

It is sort of a rhetorical question. I understand these folks don't care about the rules. It is the fact that Hannity would seek out an attorney with a clear conflict of interest is just staggering. This representation doesn't even pass the smell test without the criminal indictment.

as i've only been loosely following the story: do we know how far back hannity first got cohen as counsel?

I don't believe so. Hannity is basically denying it, which is equally odd.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
April 16 2018 22:12 GMT
#2452
On April 17 2018 07:07 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2018 06:56 zlefin wrote:
On April 17 2018 06:39 Plansix wrote:
On April 17 2018 06:35 IyMoon wrote:
On April 17 2018 06:30 Plansix wrote:
I also don’t understand how he represents a host for a news network and a presidential candidate at the same time. That would be a conflict of interest at a basic level.


The president of the United States is still involved with a business that directly profits form him being president. Does anyone really care about the lawyer also having conflicts? Do conflicts matter anymore?

It is sort of a rhetorical question. I understand these folks don't care about the rules. It is the fact that Hannity would seek out an attorney with a clear conflict of interest is just staggering. This representation doesn't even pass the smell test without the criminal indictment.

as i've only been loosely following the story: do we know how far back hannity first got cohen as counsel?

I don't believe so. Hannity is basically denying it, which is equally odd.


I imagine the flat out denial is to appease fox. They are likely pissed he would do his own legal work unlike what they had with other employees. They handle the dirty work for other people, so Hannity must have wanted this secret from fox, whatever it is.
PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32755 Posts
April 16 2018 22:16 GMT
#2453
There's something vaguely Deep State-ish about all these major figures conspiring beneath the public's eye to appease and defend each other. And once again, I have to say there's nothing normal about this administration every week.
I'm afraid of demented knife-wielding escaped lunatic libertarian zombie mutants
Ayaz2810
Profile Joined September 2011
United States2763 Posts
April 16 2018 22:28 GMT
#2454
On April 17 2018 07:16 PhoenixVoid wrote:
There's something vaguely Deep State-ish about all these major figures conspiring beneath the public's eye to appease and defend each other. And once again, I have to say there's nothing normal about this administration every week.


The running joke on TV is "isn't this infrastructure week?".
Vrtra Vanquisher/Tiamat Trouncer/World Serpent Slayer
Lmui
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada6223 Posts
April 16 2018 22:36 GMT
#2455
On April 17 2018 06:28 Nebuchad wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2018 06:13 Howie_Dewitt wrote:
I've decided that I'm going to read from the first post mentioning Donald Trump announcing his candidacy until now because I want to watch how the thread and the views of its posters have evolved. It'll be quite a lot of reading, but I've been reading every day almost since summer 2016 anyway. Wish me luck!

On a more topical note, Hannity seems like he has too much of a following to have the public turn on him. I'm not sure it won't affect his prosecution.


Make sure you give a shoutout to xDaunt on that one post where he tells us Trump is aiming for 80% popularity


MVP if he pulls out every post that's turned out to be incredibly wrong, as well as the prophetic posts since then.

Holy moly though, that is a lot of garbage to go through.

Reading website feedback from then to now would be hard enough, forget 8000 pages of people arguing semantics for 10s of pages at once.

One of Hannity and Cohen has to be fucked here. I'm leaning towards Hannity since Cohen was already fucked.
iamthedave
Profile Joined February 2011
England2814 Posts
April 16 2018 22:50 GMT
#2456
On April 17 2018 07:36 Lmui wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2018 06:28 Nebuchad wrote:
On April 17 2018 06:13 Howie_Dewitt wrote:
I've decided that I'm going to read from the first post mentioning Donald Trump announcing his candidacy until now because I want to watch how the thread and the views of its posters have evolved. It'll be quite a lot of reading, but I've been reading every day almost since summer 2016 anyway. Wish me luck!

On a more topical note, Hannity seems like he has too much of a following to have the public turn on him. I'm not sure it won't affect his prosecution.


Make sure you give a shoutout to xDaunt on that one post where he tells us Trump is aiming for 80% popularity


MVP if he pulls out every post that's turned out to be incredibly wrong, as well as the prophetic posts since then.

Holy moly though, that is a lot of garbage to go through.

Reading website feedback from then to now would be hard enough, forget 8000 pages of people arguing semantics for 10s of pages at once.

One of Hannity and Cohen has to be fucked here. I'm leaning towards Hannity since Cohen was already fucked.


Water off a ducks back for Hannity.

He's the popular or second most popular media guy on TV (I read Rachel Maddow's show has apparently beat him in the ratings? Seems unbelievable to me though), he's rabidly supported by a massive chunk of the right wing, he's FOX News' biggest star by far now that Megyn Kelly's gone, and this administration has taught us that all they have to do is keep denying it and eventually the scandal will blow over.

Saying that, I always thought Bill O'Reilly was bulletproof and look what happened there.

It'll all be the evul librul demoncrats's fault, though, and a lot of people will suck it up. Let's not forget this was discovered by the evul Mueller criminal deep state conspiracy, as well.

I think there's a thick enough wall of bullshit to protect the bullshitter-in-chief's favourite muppet.
I'm not bad at Starcraft; I just think winning's rude.
Wulfey_LA
Profile Joined April 2017
932 Posts
April 16 2018 23:22 GMT
#2457
Hannity's prepared statements today are very obviously written by the legal team. If he thought this was just nonsense he could bluster through then he would. The team must know that this is dangerous.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
April 16 2018 23:28 GMT
#2458
It is abundantly clear that neither side has thought this through.



I appreciate this twitter thread by known lawyer while also being funny on the internet Popehat. They could be completely fucking themselves over at this moment.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
iamthedave
Profile Joined February 2011
England2814 Posts
April 16 2018 23:49 GMT
#2459
On April 17 2018 08:28 Plansix wrote:
It is abundantly clear that neither side has thought this through.

https://twitter.com/Popehat/status/985975877400850432

I appreciate this twitter thread by known lawyer while also being funny on the internet Popehat. They could be completely fucking themselves over at this moment.


Stupid Watergate continues into its latest chapter.

Let's look at the brightest option; what could happen if Hannity has done something wrong here? Has he actually done something illegal?
I'm not bad at Starcraft; I just think winning's rude.
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-04-16 23:59:54
April 16 2018 23:59 GMT
#2460
On April 17 2018 08:28 Plansix wrote:
It is abundantly clear that neither side has thought this through.

https://twitter.com/Popehat/status/985975877400850432

I appreciate this twitter thread by known lawyer while also being funny on the internet Popehat. They could be completely fucking themselves over at this moment.


Describing their legal strategy as haphazard is being pretty generous.



Telling a lawyer they miscited the law is pretty much telling them they're a fuckup, otoh.
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