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Shootings and Casualties in Central Paris - Page 59
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Keep the discussion ON TOPIC. This thread is for discussing the terror attacks in Paris. | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
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AngryMag
Germany1040 Posts
On November 15 2015 03:37 Nebuchad wrote: AngryMag: I mean if you're going to make zero effort to understand what I write I'm not sure what else I should do. Again, none of this alters the point I've made. It even furthers it. Well then it unfortunately boils down to a disagreement. But what you are basically saying is that all these practices taking place in islamic countries with backing of islamic institutions (i mentioned Azhar university) are infact not compatible with islam. If that is your opinion it is fine with me, but I personally see that very differently. | ||
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writer22816
United States5775 Posts
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/15/world/europe/isis-claims-responsibility-for-paris-attacks-calling-them-miracles.html?_r=0 | ||
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mdb
Bulgaria4059 Posts
On November 15 2015 03:43 ticklishmusic wrote: So what? Why should I care? | ||
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BlitzerSC
Italy8800 Posts
On November 15 2015 03:43 ticklishmusic wrote: Apparently one of the shooters was a "refugee" who passed through Greece in October. OH WELL. https://translate.google.co.uk/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http://www.tribune.gr/world/news/article/188140/epiveveosi-tribune-meso-lerou-toulachiston-enas-tzichantistis-tou-parisiou.html&edit-text=&act=url | ||
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kongoline
6318 Posts
On November 15 2015 03:43 ticklishmusic wrote: a lot of those "refuges" are actually the same people | ||
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kwizach
3658 Posts
On November 15 2015 03:47 kongoline wrote: a lot of those "refuges" are actually the same people By "a lot", you mean "possibly one"? | ||
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Saumure
France404 Posts
On November 15 2015 03:43 ticklishmusic wrote: So our duty is to welcome the world's deserters? | ||
ZeromuS
Canada13410 Posts
Its basically saying not to paint all refugees. If refugees did do this, they weren't really refugees, they just abused the lack of coordination from the EU to deal with refugees to pull off the attacks. If the paris attacks have any bearing on the refugee crisis, its that the EU needs a properly coordinated and central approach to the issue. They need to support refugee access to the EU through some sort of channel, and some way to provide temporary residence while screening is enforced, with stronger border controls at the outside of the EU as opposed to the focus on internal border controls an an ad hoc country by country manner. But thats a seperate debate. | ||
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BlitzerSC
Italy8800 Posts
One too many. Do you really want to take the risk? European governments are playing russian roulette with the lives of their citizens. I don't know if you realized it, but 6 people just killed around 100 innocents in one night. On November 15 2015 03:50 ZeromuS wrote: Its basically saying not to paint all refugees. If refugees did do this, they weren't really refugees, they just abused the lack of coordination from the EU to deal with refugees to pull off the attacks. If the paris attacks have any bearing on the refugee crisis, its that the EU needs a properly coordinated and central approach to the issue. They need to support refugee access to the EU through some sort of channel, and some way to provide temporary residence while screening is enforced, with stronger border controls at the outside of the EU as opposed to the focus on internal border controls an an ad hoc country by country manner. But thats a seperate debate. Considering there is no way to tell if someone is a "real refugee" or a terrorist just by watching (unless you wait for them to kill your people, ofc), the best and easiest way to go is to not let any more people from the middle east/africa in. | ||
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WhiteDog
France8650 Posts
Whatever, as of yet, one of the terrorist was a french, one is supposedly coming from Syria, through Greece. Three people have been arrested at the frontier between France and Belgium, one of those three people was the one who rent the car used by the attackers. | ||
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Faust852
Luxembourg4004 Posts
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Maluk
France987 Posts
"Possibly one" is a lot. | ||
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kwizach
3658 Posts
On November 15 2015 03:50 BlitzerSC wrote: One too many. Do you really want to take the risk? European governments are playing russian roulette with the lives of their citizens. I don't know if you realized it, but 6 people just killed 200 innocents in one night. Accepting refugees and treating them as human beings is not playing russian roulette with the lives of anyone. From what we know, most (and possibly all) of those who perpetrated the attacks seem to have been European citizens. So far, all we know is that a passport found near the Stade the France belonged to a refugee who registered in Greece, but whether or not he was among the killers has not yet been established. Stop your fear-mongering. No. | ||
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ZeromuS
Canada13410 Posts
On November 15 2015 03:53 WhiteDog wrote: The idea that refugee are fleeing from ISIS is really a picture created by the occident. Some flee Assad, other flee the war, they are not necessarily against ISIS, and most work on ground, in cities controlled by ISIS as of yet, show a population that does not necessarily oppose ISIS rule. Whatever, as of yet, one of the terrorist was a french, one is supposedly coming from Syria, through Greece. Three people have been arrested at the frontier between France and Belgium, one of those three people was the one who rent the car used by the attackers. Yeah, its a complicated situation. Its probably a combination of actors who ended up coming together to do a terrible thing  | ||
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Deathstar
9150 Posts
We can all play the tolerance game or make the tough decisions to protect our citizens and the country's future. We live in democratic countries so it's on us to speak out. | ||
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Painmaker
Uruguay230 Posts
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Falling
Canada11592 Posts
On November 15 2015 03:49 Saumure wrote: So our duty is to welcome the world's deserters? Gaaaah. I find this attitude so frustrating. I get the anger in the wake of the violent attack. But I'm so grateful that Canada welcomed my Mennonite ancestors who 'deserted' communist Russia, as the ones who stayed behind were hauled off to the gulags. And there was significant suspicion in Canada that Ukrainian immigrants might be communist infiltrators, but the fear of those who fled was misplaced. We survived and integrated. I see a lot of parallels with families just wanting to flee for safety- anywhere that will take them. Sure, a lot would want to go back, if it were safer. But I think so would any of us. I'm VERY rooted in where I live. It would take a hell of a lot of bad things to make we want to flee the country... I think it is no different for the majority of these refugees. | ||
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Saumure
France404 Posts
Imagine that 0.1% of the 'refugees' are isis guys. This leaves us with 1000 arrivals this year. Not counting the people we already have here that would be willing to help them. Yesterday's attacks features 8 terrorists for 129 dead and 352 injured (99 in critical condition). Wanna make the count for one thousand? edit: updated causalities | ||
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ImFromPortugal
Portugal1368 Posts
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