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This is the problem with Westerners these days. They conflate "Islam" with "things certain Muslims believe in certain regions." It's equivalent to saying Christianity promotes McDonalds because America, a heavily Christian country, loves its McDonalds.
Have you actually read the Quran? I'm not saying Islam doesn't promote some terrible things, but have you personally read the Quran and extrapolated the meaning behind its teachings? Every single one?
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On November 14 2015 11:58 FFGenerations wrote:
women aren't allowed to lose their virginity before they get married off (by arrangement by their fathers for money (or something)
instead they have anal sex (until they get sold?)
source: "normal" jordan friend
not that i'm dissing anal sex
just sayin they all have to take it in the butt
anal is forbidden is Islam so......
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On November 14 2015 12:02 Cricketer12 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2015 11:58 FFGenerations wrote:
women aren't allowed to lose their virginity before they get married off (by arrangement by their fathers for money (or something)
instead they have anal sex (until they get sold?)
source: "normal" jordan friend
not that i'm dissing anal sex
just sayin they all have to take it in the butt anal is forbidden is Islam so......
idk i just remember him or someone telling me that the young people all take it in the butt to preserve their virginity. he was a normal young person in a decently wealthy family who came over here for a few years.
religious enough to never touch pork (pigs are fuckin disgusting holy shit) and fast during the fasting time (have to sleep during the day then) and last i heard he got a nice wife from an arrangement
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Why would a religion that tells me I can beat my wife tell me Paradise is at the feet of my mother (not literal, but figurative meaning that one should take his best care of and around women).
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On November 14 2015 12:03 FFGenerations wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2015 12:02 Cricketer12 wrote:On November 14 2015 11:58 FFGenerations wrote:
women aren't allowed to lose their virginity before they get married off (by arrangement by their fathers for money (or something)
instead they have anal sex (until they get sold?)
source: "normal" jordan friend
not that i'm dissing anal sex
just sayin they all have to take it in the butt anal is forbidden is Islam so...... idk i just remember him or someone telling me that the young people all take it in the butt to preserve their virginity. he was a normal young person in a decently wealthy family who came over here for a few years
Isn't that standard southern christianity?
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On November 14 2015 12:03 FFGenerations wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2015 12:02 Cricketer12 wrote:On November 14 2015 11:58 FFGenerations wrote:
women aren't allowed to lose their virginity before they get married off (by arrangement by their fathers for money (or something)
instead they have anal sex (until they get sold?)
source: "normal" jordan friend
not that i'm dissing anal sex
just sayin they all have to take it in the butt anal is forbidden is Islam so...... idk i just remember him or someone telling me that the young people all take it in the butt to preserve their virginity. he was a normal young person in a decently wealthy family who came over here for a few years
well then maybe that was something he did because thats what he thought was necessary based on his interpretations of the Qur'an, but from my experience at least I don't really see this kind of thing happening.
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FFGenerations maybe your friend just wanted to have butt sex.
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On November 14 2015 11:58 Souma wrote:This is the problem with Westerners these days. They conflate "Islam" with "things certain Muslims believe in certain regions." It's equivalent to saying Christianity promotes McDonalds because America, a heavily Christian country, loves its McDonalds. Have you actually read the Quran? I'm not saying Islam doesn't promote some terrible things, but have you personally read the Quran and extrapolated the meaning behind its teachings? Every single one?
Isn't Quran a pretty violent holy book? I mean it was written during a period of never-ending conflicts between tribes in the Arabian peninsula......it's pretty much a propaganda book. I mean there are of course violent passages in the Old and New Testaments but the Quran is filled with Muhammad's stories of conquest and rise of power in the middle east. Muhammad was a military leader first and foremost and prophet second.
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yeah idk i just heard someone ask how the muslims treat women differently to seculars and i remembered they engage in arranged marriages and take it in the butt . arguebly these aren't bad things which is pretty much how you justify anything religious or non religious
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On November 14 2015 11:44 ahswtini wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2015 11:42 Cricketer12 wrote:
This thread is proving the point I was making when I said it doesn't matter what moderates say/do. No matter what people will ONLY focus on the extremely small minority regardless of the fact 99.999% of us aren't doing this stuff. yes the 99.999% wont pick up a rifle and slaughter civilians. what do u think that number will drop to when u start asking how many people outright condemn these acts?
I think everyone would agree that the people that carried out today's attacks are following some very misguided ideology.
I also believe if the U.S. didnt bomb all the middle eastern countries for their oil, then they wouldn't have much need to hate us (the west) for our freedoms. Its a case of the chickens coming home to roost. Sometimes you just have to follow the trail of blood, and its a fact that the U.S. has spilled the most muslim blood on muslim soil in the past half-century. It dosent excuse any of the terrorist attacks, but at the same time maybe we need to wake up and ask ourselves are they really bombing us cause of our freedoms, or cause of our terrible foreign policy in that region, thats centered around rounding up their precious resources and bombing people back to the stone ages in the process. Would you expect some kid in Iraq who lost family or friends to condemn these attacks? You being in the U.S and I in Canada are really out of touch with the people over there. Its kind of like how we might look at a celebrity in Hollywood not being in touch with us. We are living privileged lives, we have safety, food, shelter, basic human needs that a lot of those people dont have. And a lot of that has to do with our countries bombing the fuck out of them. So I might get why some streets in muslims countries tomorrow will have kids burning french flags and shouting allah akbar. So you are right 99.999% of people wont condemn those attacks, but then again 99.9999% of americans dont condemn the wars in the middle east or the daily drone strikes.
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On November 14 2015 11:53 damoonwolf wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2015 11:32 Cricketer12 wrote:
YOU ARE NOT ALOUD BY THE QUR'AN TO HIT YOUR WIFE. False A Koran's verse say" if you have a doubt about the faithfulness of you wife, put her in other badroom and hit her"
That's why religions are wrong. They're outdated. The British say "passé", the french say "has been". Interestingly enough.
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On November 14 2015 12:06 Souma wrote:
FFGenerations maybe your friend just wanted to have butt sex.
we were really good friends
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On November 14 2015 11:58 Souma wrote:This is the problem with Westerners these days. They conflate "Islam" with "things certain Muslims believe in certain regions." It's equivalent to saying Christianity promotes McDonalds because America, a heavily Christian country, loves its McDonalds. Have you actually read the Quran? I'm not saying Islam doesn't promote some terrible things, but have you personally read the Quran and extrapolated the meaning behind its teachings? Every single one?
I've attempted to read the Quran a few times. It's so full of shit and so stupid that to continue reading is an utter waste of time. A book that should in theory be perfect is full of holes and outright stupidity. I highly doubt wisdom came from warlords and merchants in the middle east in a time where information was complete shit compared to now.
America is a secular country, with a large christian base. It is not a Christian country despite the fact that Fox News would have a collective cum shot that would reach all the way to Canada if that were the case. Religion is ignorance. And all of it should be met with scorn.
It has a secular constitution, the separation of church and state.
"Extrapolated the meanings?"
"Men are the managers of the affairs of women for that God has preferred in bounty one of them over another, and for that they have expended of their property. Righteous women are therefore obedient, guarding the secret for God's guarding. And those you fear may be rebellious admonish; banish them to their couches, and beat them. If they then obey you, look not for any way against them; God is All-high, All-great."
When you read ludicrous shit like this a sane person does not keep parsing through the shit that has been scrawled onto a page. You don't try to "extrapolate" the meaning from stupidity.
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Just awful, today we are all french
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On November 14 2015 12:07 FFGenerations wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2015 12:06 Souma wrote:
FFGenerations maybe your friend just wanted to have butt sex. we were really good friends
really good friends or really good friends 
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On November 14 2015 11:58 Souma wrote:This is the problem with Westerners these days. They conflate "Islam" with "things certain Muslims believe in certain regions." It's equivalent to saying Christianity promotes McDonalds because America, a heavily Christian country, loves its McDonalds. Have you actually read the Quran? I'm not saying Islam doesn't promote some terrible things, but have you personally read the Quran and extrapolated the meaning behind its teachings? Every single one?
That's not a problem with westerners, that's the nature of the religion.
We're talking about theocratic countries where over 95% of people are the same religion and have been for centuries. It's a religion that pervades daily life the way no other major religion does.
The ones being disingenuous are the ones saying the religion is only my first-world interpretation of one holy book. That's the whole thing and nothing else "counts." So when Iran executes (Muslim) homosexuals on principle, they insist we can ignore that because people also do bad things without religion. Anti-semitism, misogyny, and homophobia are not just isolated regional quirks of the Muslim world. But if Pakistan elects a female prime minister, that's suddenly evidence of Islamic enlightenment, even though that isn't in the "book" either. So it's not that nothing else counts, it's that conveniently only the problems don't count.
It doesn't mean people are calling the entire Muslim world jihadists or personally attacking somebody. People discuss Islam in this way merely to point out that problems still exist, problems which first and foremost hurt Muslims.
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On November 14 2015 11:58 Souma wrote:This is the problem with Westerners these days. They conflate "Islam" with "things certain Muslims believe in certain regions." It's equivalent to saying Christianity promotes McDonalds because America, a heavily Christian country, loves its McDonalds. Have you actually read the Quran? I'm not saying Islam doesn't promote some terrible things, but have you personally read the Quran and extrapolated the meaning behind its teachings? Every single one?
That's a kind of bad analogy, no? Those polls are opinions with their source in the koran and the hadith, mcdonalds doesnt have anything at all to do with christianity
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On November 14 2015 12:06 ref4 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2015 11:58 Souma wrote:This is the problem with Westerners these days. They conflate "Islam" with "things certain Muslims believe in certain regions." It's equivalent to saying Christianity promotes McDonalds because America, a heavily Christian country, loves its McDonalds. Have you actually read the Quran? I'm not saying Islam doesn't promote some terrible things, but have you personally read the Quran and extrapolated the meaning behind its teachings? Every single one? Isn't Quran a pretty violent holy book? I mean it was written during a period of never-ending conflicts between tribes in the Arabian peninsula......it's pretty much a propaganda book. I mean there are of course violent passages in the Old and New Testaments but the Quran is filled with Muhammad's stories of conquest and rise of power in the middle east. Muhammad was a military leader first and foremost and prophet second.
I don't know, I've only read like half of the Quran and I don't remember what was on it to be frank. I do know it promotes things that are outdated and should be frowned upon.
That being said, my point is that if you haven't read the Quran, you have no basis to talk about what Islam does or does not teach. This of course applies to me too. A lot of hostility and misunderstanding is born because people have been spouting falsities towards something they actually have never read.
On November 14 2015 12:08 SK.Testie wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2015 11:58 Souma wrote:This is the problem with Westerners these days. They conflate "Islam" with "things certain Muslims believe in certain regions." It's equivalent to saying Christianity promotes McDonalds because America, a heavily Christian country, loves its McDonalds. Have you actually read the Quran? I'm not saying Islam doesn't promote some terrible things, but have you personally read the Quran and extrapolated the meaning behind its teachings? Every single one? I've attempted to read the Quran a few times. It's so full of shit and so stupid that to continue reading is an utter waste of time. A book that should in theory be perfect is full of holes and outright stupidity. I highly doubt wisdom came from warlords and merchants in the middle east in a time where information was complete shit compared to now. America is a secular country, with a large christian base. It is not a Christian country despite the fact that Fox News would have a collective cum shot that would reach all the way to Canada if that were the case. Religion is ignorance. And all of it should be met with scorn. It has a secular constitution, the separation of church and state.
America, a secular country... If only it really were.
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On November 14 2015 12:08 Jaaaaasper wrote:
Just awful, today we are all french
French, Americans, Lebanese, Indians, who cares. We are all humans. That's the only thing that matters to me.
It append in my capital, so i'm really pissed off of course, but no loss is a bigger loss than anyone.
We are all humans. Dot.
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