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Karla Homolka is an example to test the limits of my belief in going "soft on crime". I'd rather see a thousand guilty men go free than put 1 innocent man in prison.
As long as Homolka continues on her current path the Canadian taxpayer is the big winner here.
I can deal with criminals running around.... i dont want an oppressive Orelian State calling me a terrorist because i say bad things about the Finance Minister.
Re: homolka & Bernardo
my grandmother worked in the lab that tested Bernardo when he was in custody and the cops were looking for the "Scarborough Rapist " years before he started murdering young girls. they had him. and they misinterpreted the test results and let Bernarndo go. way 2 go guys 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Smith_(pathologist)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motherisk
"The report called for further investigation of cases where testing by Motherisk had been used as evidence in child protection and criminal proceeding, citing "serious implications for the fairness of those proceedings"
i prefer a lawless frontier to this BS.
personal self defense is your best defense against criminals. relying upon the state is wishful thinking at best. as you've said the system is a mess... and the system is mess on dozens of levels.
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Interesting tidbit of my own, I almost started working for the Motherisk commission on behalf of the Ontario government.
Didn't because it was an administrative assistant role and it was a fairly long commitment of 8 months while I am actively looking for work in Ottawa again and the pay was poor and it was far from where I live in Mississauga.
And yeah, I agree about Homolka, I'm just saying she's probably not the best example for most people since she crosses that line for many. In that individual case, I feel like the line was crossed but I also really deeply understand that its better to cross it once in the direction we did than many times in the other direction.
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Plus he is flatout wrong on his analysis of sexual identity, gender identity and its relation to immutable sexual preferences.
In what sense is he wong? Is it that "99.7% of people who inhabit a body with a given biological sex, identify with that biological sex."
Or is it his conclusion:
"It's.. They are incredibly tightly linked. If you can't attribute causality a link that is that tight, you have to dispense with the notion of causality altogether."
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I see the papers are already trying to paint him as a SoCon boogeyman.
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the liberal party has to approve every article the Star publishes that's not in the sports section.
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I don't think he's a SoCon boogeyman but he is Stephen Harper lite from what I've read.
I'm surprised the cons decided to support the same kind of policy direction that just got thwomped last election.
He's not Kellie Leitch, but he's not exactly a pure fiscal conservative either. He does have a lot of support from the SoCon base so I think that might be why he's painted that way?
I honestly thought Maxime Bernier was their best chance at forming government next election. I don't think they can do anything but force a minority liberal government at best now.
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the left wing media again trying to blur the line between teenager and child in order to make things seem more extreme
https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2017/05/31/convicted-serial-killer-karla-homolka-volunteering-at-montreal-elementary-school.html.
she volunteers at a public school. Mahaffy was almost 16 and French was almost 15 when they were murdered.
“I think she’s dangerous and I certainly wouldn’t take the chance with my kids to be around her,” he added.
she has never killed a child before and i do not think she ever will. the children are safe.
“These are joys the French and Mahaffy families will never enjoy because of Karla Homolka’s participation with Paul Bernardo to murder their children,” Tim Danson said in a phone interview.
bullshit. they had all the time needed to go on field trips with their children in elementary school because they were not murdered until they were in high school.
if one wishes to discuss the merits of Homolka's sentencing.. fine. do not cloud the issue with BS.
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That whole case has a lot of shame is more important than reformation going on.
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On June 02 2017 08:46 JimmyJRaynor wrote:the left wing media again trying to blur the line between teenager and child in order to make things seem more extreme https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2017/05/31/convicted-serial-killer-karla-homolka-volunteering-at-montreal-elementary-school.html. she volunteers at a public school. Mahaffy was almost 16 and French was almost 15 when they were murdered. “These are joys the French and Mahaffy families will never enjoy because of Karla Homolka’s participation with Paul Bernardo to murder their children,” Tim Danson said in a phone interview.bullshit. they had all the time needed to go on field trips with their children in elementary school because they were not murdered until they were in high school. if one wishes to discuss the merits of Homolka's sentencing.. fine. do not cloud the issue with BS.
Are you for real ? They didnt say they wont get to go on field trips with their kids, they said they wont get to experience joys with their kids. Reformation and rehab is fine, preferred , but there needs to be a more even handed approach to this. I dont think the kids are unsafe either but I certainly wont blame some people for not being willing to forgive or forget.
On June 02 2017 08:46 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
“I think she’s dangerous and I certainly wouldn’t take the chance with my kids to be around her,” he added.
she has never killed a child before and i do not think she ever will. the children are safe.
That is someones opinion which just like yours is subjective but still appeals to facts. Whether she actually killed a child or not doesnt remove the fact that she was charged and convicted for manslaughter so you can either go back to the merrits of the sentencing or you can acknowledge that this is a bs point to raise (and just like the previous one is petty as fuck.)
If we are talking about FACTS there is no BS here, that comment you just made is typical of Toronto contrarians.
"I will take this "fact" and I will throw it at you without taking a look at facts that matter more. You know like the actual conviction. Fuck that, my facts matter more."
I get that you dont like liberals because you seem to need really no excuse at times to express your problems with them especially when no one gives a shit and Im not suggesting the media (liberal or otherwise) doesn't try to blur things but are you seriously fucking nitpicking on the fact that they didnt make clear distinctions between children and high schoolers? Teenagers isnt its own class, you are either a child or an adult for the most part, legally speaking. And 15-16 year olds are not adults. But again even raising this point is just so obtuse and insensitive to reality, its exasperating,.
On June 02 2017 13:31 Dark_Chill wrote:
That whole case has a lot of shame is more important than reformation going on.
I am all for reformation, but you dont put a bank robber or a guy who was the complicit in the bank robbery a security guard for the vault. How'd you feel about that if it was your money? Not to great I imagine,
Thats a bit of a slap in the face to the one who has been wronged.
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Yeah what does this have to do with left wing media?
Is somehow the fact she was both complicit in some actions and actively helped to kidnap and murder 15/16 year old girls with Paul Bernardo supposed to not matter when she's caring for younger children because they're not 15/16?
If you have a criminal conviction you can't work with the vulnerable sector - elderly, children and youths. Tons of jobs need criminal background checks to ensure you are able to work in the vulnerable sector.
Something as simple as a possession offence can stop that. So why would manslaughter not?
The issue is that Karla Hommolka should not be working with children. Full stop. Sure she served her sentence, and that means she isn't in the criminal justice system. But that doesn't mean she has zero repurcussions with the rest of her life. Just because you can be reformed doesnt mean there are zero consequences for the rest of your life.
If someone with a minor criminal offence needs to apply for a pardon to work with children, then Karla Hommolka should. Seriously. Its not a left or right issue. This woman is one of the most notorious criminals in Canada and was involved in one of the most notorious criminal cases in our country's history.
She doesn't get a free pass. And I say this as someone who believes we don't even need prisons for most people who break the law (short of people like paul bernardo) and that most criminals should never step foot in prison.
The details of her case are such that she really does not have the opportunity to be a 100% normal person.
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it follows the general theme of labelling a crime perpetrated on a teenager of 17 as the same as a crime perpetrated on a child of 5. This is done by whoever is attempting to sensationalize any kind of illicit activity. left, right, center, whoever. all sides of media employ this B.S. tactic to further whatever their particular goals are. i notice it most with left leaning media though.
my view of the particular media outlet employing this tactic diminishes in proportion with how hard they BS on age. So if a headline reads "Child Rapist" and it turns out the victims are 17+ ... then the media outlet loses a lot of credibility in my eyes. in this particular case its intermingled in the middle of article; its quotes from others and not the reporter themselves; they keep things pretty slippery. its a small infraction... but BS nonetheless. a major factor favouring the star's credibility is the headline reads "teen killer".
here is another example.
https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2017/04/20/york-region-police-arrest-over-100-men-in-child-sex-trafficking-bust.html
advertising was used for girls as old as 16. 16 isn't "child". merely reading the headline you might believe... "wow 100 guys wanted to buy sex from 7 year old girls".
when you really dig into this what you discover is... it took the OPP/York Region cops 4+ years and $1.8 million dollars to charge 100 guys who wanted to buy sex from teenage girls. the reality has almost nothing to do with the headline. But, they hide in under "child prostitution" so people won't realize what a fucking fail this was.
of course, all involved will waste no time in patting each other on the back... when really.. if u take a hard look at it... 4 fucking years for 100 guys ... some of whom were trying to buy sex from a 16 year old? ... i can walk down Parliament street tonight and watch more girls than i can count on 1 hand under 18 trying to sell themselves.
what a total fucking failure this stupid sting operation was... both in terms of time and money. and if the press reported on it accurately a proper assessment could be made.
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TORONTO — Sales of existing homes across the Greater Toronto Area dropped a whopping 20.3 per cent in May from a year ago, while the average home price in the region fell about six per cent from April, results based on the first full month of data following a major initiative by the Ontario government to cool Canada’s biggest housing market.
The Toronto Real Estate Board said Monday there were 10,196 sales through the Multiple Listing Service last month, down from 12,790 sales reported in May 2016. Detached home sales fell 26.3 per cent during the period and condominium apartment sales were off 6.4 per cent.
The Toronto home market has not seen such substantial declines in both sales and prices since the recession of 2008.
“The actual, or normalized, effect of the Ontario Fair Housing Plan remains to be seen. In the past, some housing policy changes have initially led to an overreaction on the part of homeowners and buyers, which later balanced out,” said Jason Mercer, director of market analysis with TREB, in a statement.
The Ontario government announced 16 measures on April 20 to cool the housing market, among them a 15 per cent non-resident speculation tax and expansion of rent controls that limit annual increases, that some commentators have suggested could cool the appetite of investors looking for income properties
TREB pointed to a 14.9 per cent increase in the average price of a home from a year ago, but the $863,910 May figure for the GTA compares with an average of $920,791 in April, a 6.2 per cent drop.
Active listings — the number of properties available for sale — rose 42.9 per cent in May from a year ago, but the board pointed out that May, 2016 was a record low.
“The increase in active listings suggests that homeowners, after a protracted delay, are starting to react to the strong price growth we’ve experienced over the past year by listing their home for sale to take advantage of these equity gains,” Mercer said.
The province stepped in with its rule changes after March prices climbed about 33 per cent on a year-over-year basis, a point that now appears to have been the peak of the housing market in the GTA.
Christopher Alexander, Regional Director, RE/MAX INTEGRA Ontario-Atlantic Canada Region, said in an interview his company has noticed “a flood of new listings” to hit the market, but suggested they are selling, just not as quickly as from January from April.
“I think we are seeing some flattening in prices from previous rules,” Alexander said. “These are the biggest measures the government has taken in the last several years. There has been a lot of talk about the market being overheated so a lot of buyers are seeing how the market is going to play out.”
He suggests the response could be similar to what happened in Vancouver, which is now seeing prices and sales start to rise again after the province put in a 15 per cent tax on foreign buyers in August, 2016. Sales in in Greater Vancouver in May jumped 22.8 per cent from April, while prices rose 8.8 per cent in May from a year ago and 2.8 per cent from April.
“I think if we have a bit of a pause (in Toronto), I think the market is going to accelerate in the fall strongly,” Alexander said.
TREB said active listings increased considerably for low-rise home types, including detached and semi-detached houses and townhouses, but were down for condominium apartments in May from a year ago.
“Home buyers definitely benefited from a better supplied market in May, both in comparison to the same time last year and to the first four months of 2017,” said Larry Cerqua, president of the board in a statement.
http://business.financialpost.com/personal-finance/mortgages-real-estate/toronto-home-sales-drop-most-since-recession-as-new-rules-put-brakes-on-market
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People generally know this already, Trudeau is just saying it nicely.
Trump is easily swayed by whoever strokes his ego a little, and whoever talked to him last.
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what people? hardly any americans know what Trudeau is saying about Trump. hardly any americans know what Trudeau is saying about anything.
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On June 23 2017 15:05 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
what people? hardly any americans know what Trudeau is saying about Trump. hardly any americans know what Trudeau is saying about anything.
Not Trudeau specifically, Trump on flip-flopping and having an easily swayed temperament.
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On June 23 2017 23:56 WolfintheSheep wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2017 15:05 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
what people? hardly any americans know what Trudeau is saying about Drumpf. hardly any americans know what Trudeau is saying about anything.
Not Trudeau specifically, Drumpf on flip-flopping and having an easily swayed temperament.
He just needed an excuse to shit on Trudeau, your point was obvious.
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