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WeSt
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Portugal918 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-09 11:44:14
July 09 2010 11:43 GMT
#6501
I don't know about JWH-018's effects or toxicity, but I do know most of the so called "legal marijuana" incences are really harmful. Most of these have JWH-018 in their ingredients even if it doesn't come listed. Most of the times these legal high herbs have some kind of chemical in them disguised in a long list of natural plants with no psychoactive effects. I've experienced vomits, nausea, and lost sense of space with a spice called "Senses"... and I've been using weed for years.
zvz is imba
n0ise
Profile Joined April 2010
3452 Posts
July 09 2010 11:50 GMT
#6502
On July 09 2010 20:19 ghermination wrote:
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On July 09 2010 16:29 MadVillain wrote:
so anybody try JWH-018? a friend of mine who does all sorts of substances (dxm, jwh, x, shrooms ) said it was just like weed but way more powerful. Apparently a strong does at first is like 2-3mg. I might look into this further.


but meanwhile i'll just blaze the green. so i watched the Lebron decision while high, and all I could think about was how ridiculous sports are in general. I just thought "damn this guy is getting paid millions of dollars to put a ball in a basket" and we dedicated so much time and money just covering every step of his decision. Sorta crazy but i love it lol.

I wouldn't trust any research cannabinoids until their possible toxicity has been confirmed or denied.
JWH-018 is significantly more potent than THC and still legal, so it has it's benefits. But there's been VERY little research into how it impacts your body both physically and mentally so it's taking a risk by putting it inside yourself.
Compare it to the Radon water thing. Nobody had any idea it could possibly be bad until all of those people ended up dead.


This, pretty much. There was a period in which my dog and his dog-friends were doing it, because it was more accessible than it's green counterpart. He can attest that it has given him effects *at least* on par with a really strong weed "session" - probably more powerful. But as ghermination said, the thought of taking a lab-produced substance with extremely limited testing isn't really heart-warming, so for now, my dawg only takes stuff from which he knows what to expect.
LarJarsE
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States1378 Posts
July 09 2010 18:03 GMT
#6503
On July 07 2010 21:22 danmooj1 wrote:
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On July 07 2010 21:12 WeSt wrote:
I don't really like benzos, but I know some people who do. Benzos fuck you up man... that crap destroys your memory real quick! Also you will become tolerant in just 2 weeks of use and fisically dependent in 2-4 months. I usually don't tell people not to do drugs (except heroin), but I know a good amount of people that are total zombies thanks to benzos and other pharms.


Yeah benzos are not to be taken lightly. I'm not a big fan of benzos either but I like to experiment and I got a chance to get pure powder form so I thought I might as well.

I can get another benzo called phenazepam but I lost interest. It has a ridiculously long half life and is notorious for black outs and causing people to do stupid shit. Here's a trip report, he had one hell of a ride.

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Background:

I am heavily experienced with sedatives. My favorites are clonazepam (Klonopin), temazepam (Restoril), and phenobarbital. I'm sure secobarbital (Seconal, Tuinal) would also be added to that list if I were ever given the opportunity to try it.

I have had a few blackouts while mixing benzodiazepines with Alcohol before, but the worst up until this experience only lasted two days. That one included 35mgs of clonazepam, 75mgs of clorazepate (Tranxene), 40mgs of oxycodone (experienced Opiate user then, currently Opiate dependent), and from what my friends said, over a 12 pack of beer. I have never had a blackout from Alcohol alone.

Since then, I have been very careful when mixing depressants. At least up until this horrific experience I am about to write about.

I also want to mention that we are all from out in the country. The closest large city to us is Pittsburgh. This may help readers to picture some of this mess better. I mean, we are somewhat used to large cities, but most of us have lived in the country most of our lives. The places I speak about are all small town cities, and the main city we cop dope at and where some of us live has a population of only around 30,000.


Preface:

This is going to be a bit different from my other trip reports, as I normally only write reports based on entheogenic experiences and herbal adventures with uncommon (to the United States) or rare psychoactive plants. However, this is a priceless warning for anyone that may have the desire to experiment with pharmaceutical grade benzodiazepine powders without a proper scale.

I have a scale accurate to 0.001g, but I did not have it in my possession during this experience, not would it have done any good if I did, as phenazepam is active at 0.5mgs. I'm sure 1-3mgs is plenty for recreational use even though I am fairly certain this is not one of the better benzodiazepines.


Story:

Well, here we go. First off I have to mention that at least 90% of this report is seen through the eyes of other people that I was around during the week long circus because I barely remember anything that happened. Also, there is no discerning the time frame in which these events took place except for the start, before I went to jail, and after I got out of jail. The stories told in between are in no particular order.

It all started with me and my girlfriend "A" at one of our friend's trailer. No one else was there, and we were bored so we decided to dip into the 1g of phenazepam powder I had received the day before. As I said, I didn't have a scale at the time, so we just took a knife and swallowed a tiny little amount. It was a completely tasteless, white powder.

After about 1/2 an hour we ended up taking another tiny dose as we didn't feel too much from the first amount. As far as I know the night ended there. Nothing outlandish happened, and I remember not being too impressed with it.

Somewhere along the line I ended up at another friend's apartment "J" and "L." They are both very fond of benzodiazepines, so I figured they would enjoy the large amount that I had of something new. Another friend of mine, "G" was there, and he was drunk, acting like an asshole so I decided to feed him a bump of the powder to knock his ass out. It did. He slept until 4 in the morning, when he awoke concerned that his girlfriend was wondering where the hell he was.

His girlfriend lived in the same apartment complex, so me and "J" walked over with him. When we got there, his girlfriend barely said anything other than expressed that she was somewhat worried because she knows how he is when he drinks.

Well "G," for some reason or another had a guilty conscience or maybe even a bit delusional started screaming, "I didn't fucking do anything! What the fuck is wrong with you!?!" He proceeded to grab her by her neck, and her friend broke it up. "J" and I didn't want to be involved in his episodes, so we went back over to his apartment.

Yes, I know, it was very irresponsible of me to have given him the drug in the first place, knowing how he is, but that just shows how intoxicated I was, as I am a very responsible person when it comes to drugs.

Another section of the story began when I was with my friend "Je" and his girlfriend "An." I suppose we were smoking Crack all night while eating massive amounts of phenazepam and for some odd reason "Je" wanted to partake in some of my DOM with his girlfriend early in the morning. I gave him 5mgs and her 3mgs.

At some point, I ended up with my girlfriend again, still with the last two friends mentioned, and we were on another mission to get money for Crack and Heroin. Apparently we showed up at "M's" house, the place we go to do our hard drug deals, and we bought some Heroin. I remember doing a couple bags and telling my girlfriend to be careful. What I don't remember is walking back and forth screaming at my girlfriend, before we got the stuff, to get back in the car while I was walking through the drug dealer's yard (a drug dealer that I didn't personally know), and my girl was falling into the fence. "M" and his girl were telling us that we were going to get shot while the dealer was inquiring about what the hell our problem was. Not my type of behavior at all even though I am a drug addict.

I suppose we got the money from "Je" and "An" panhandling it from local gas stations and grocery stores. I normally never go for that standard of drug behavior. If I can't manipulate my parents into giving me money or sell drugs to get money, I just don't do drugs.

Apparently we went across the river into WV, as we live on the border of Ohio and WV, to find more sources to panhandle, and at some point some form of "logical" reasoning hit me. I can't drive, so lets let my friend "Je" drive who doesn't have a license and is probably so sedated that he forgot he had even taken the DOM and whatever was going on seemed perfectly normal to him. We were all taking key bump after key bump of the phenazepam and licking it off of the knife.

Well, of course, here come the police. I was in the passenger seat, when one of the two cops approached my vehicle about "Je" harassing customers at the gas station we were at. He already had a warrant for stealing $6 worth of gas at that particular store, and I had recently spent a couple months in jail on a possession of Heroin charge in Ohio.

The police were adamant about searching my car, but I refused to let them. Our girlfriend's were half passed out in the back seat, and I told the cops that they were sick, and I was just trying to get them back to Ohio to go home. Well, while we were waiting to get authorization to leave, I reached into the back seat, and the undercover cop sitting at the pump beside me gave the signal to search the vehicle. My girlfriend was so out of it that I'm not even sure if she knew there were ever any police there or perhaps she thought they left while they were searching my car, but she was wobbling around the back of my car talking about the syringes in the trunk.

There is no paraphernalia charge in WV, but the cop lied and said he found a bag of dope as well. The shit was in a woman's purse, bag type thing and for some reason I did think there was half of a bag left in my car, so I didn't fight the arrest.

So there we were; me and "Je" were off to Moundsville regional jail, and the police took the girls to "An's" house.

The only things I remember about being in that jail was the meal trays (not the food), they were yellow, "Je" being my cell mate, and the arraignment being held in a room with a video where each inmate talked to the fat guy on the screen. "Je" kept asking if he could make a plea, and I was laughing because we weren't even in court! He was arguing with the fat guy, irritatingly stating, "I just want to make a fucking plea!" I don't even remember being out of my normal clothes.

I believe we were there for 2-3 days, not really sure, but on the second or third day we got bonded out. "Je" was talking about some big dude wanting to fight us over something, but I don't remember anyone that was there except for us.

My Mother was the one that drove down to get us, but "Je's" Father was with her as well. I didn't say much, but "Je" and his Dad were arguing the whole way home about getting his disability check because he wanted to get drugs.

This is where things started getting really out of hand. I had no idea where my girlfriend was and neither did "Je" know where "An" was. So, I went on a search to see what the hell was going on. Here they were together prostituting themselves on the streets for Crack and Heroin, not to mention sleeping with each other! I didn't know how to deal with this at all because my girlfriend had never really been like that. I guess they still had Heroin when they were brought back to "An's," so I ended up getting out of my charges.

After sticking through it for a day or two, I couldn't take it anymore, so I left my girl on the streets. Somehow I still had the phenazepam powder. I guess the cops never found it in my pocket or something. I don't have a clue.

I ended up at home after getting out of jail. I don't think it was the day I got out but more likely the next day after eating more of the damn shit, I was being bitched out by my Dad for being heavily intoxicated. He thought I was on Heroin, and I was swearing to God that I wasn't on anything when I probably looked like I ate a couple Quaaludes. Here my best friend "Ji" (I know lots of "J" friends; sorry) stopped over. "D" came right behind him, and I guess "Ji" was telling him he probably should stop by later and that it wasn't a good time. "D" isn't quite used to my wild life. He is a friend that I play guitar with sometimes, and he's a few years younger than myself.

I guess "Ji" and "D" were in "D's" car smoking a joint when my Dad took off around them in the driveway on his motorcycle having had enough of the bullshit, and I came running out of the house with a knife to my throat yelling "You think I'm afraid of death? I'm not afraid to die! I know what comes after this!" My neighbors were out on their porches probably thinking, "What in the fuck is this dude on?" God, if they only knew.

Here the reason I was flipping out was because my Mom told me she was going to commit suicide by eating a bottle of Methadone followed by a bottle of temazepam. I calmed down a little and was yelling at my Mother, "Why would you tell me that RIGHT NOW!?!"

"Ji" talked me into leaving and agreed to take me into town so I could get a $50 rock of Crack to get my fucking head out of the clouds. I vaguely remember smoking it at his house and up in the woods while we hiked. I was told that I was nodding off hardcore in between hits and that the $50 piece lasted me four hours! Shit, that would normally be gone in ten to twenty minutes.

At yet another point, I was back at "J's" apartment drinking wine with my ex-girlfriend that left me more than a year before and had been trying to get back together with me. Shit, there was no drug in the world (apparently) that would have had me sleep with that crazy *****. < That word can be whatever you want it to be. *smiles*

Well, I did talk her into "taking her car to get food," when I was really planning on going downtown to get Crack. I didn't make it 1/4 a mile. I remember thinking, "Damn, this car has balls. ...What the FUCK am I doing in this yard!" I flipped the car over the guardrail, completely totaling it. I have never wrecked a car in my life, and believe me, I have driven under the influence of just about everything.

Here comes the police. Of course they thought I was drunk, but I had not had enough wine to get a DUI. The cop couldn't for the life of him figure out what the hell my problem was. I guess I didn't appear very intoxicated at that moment. The fucked up part is the next day I wasn't even sore from the accident. That's how loose my muscles were from that damn drug.

Anyway, I went back to "J's" and had to explain what happened. My ex-girlfriend tried to sleep with me anyway! FUCK! I couldn't catch a break. I turned her down. I couldn't bring myself to it. She still seemed disgusting to me. "J" kept fucking with me, "You sure you don't want a condom?" while the girl was begging me! I had to bitch at him after the third time he mentioned it.

What was really funny is that "J" came up to me that night with this baggie and was like "Can you put some of that powder in here so I can save it." "Sure," I replied. I scooped some in. An hour later he did it again! He ended up doing that three times. It was hilarious. He doesn't even remember that.

During one of these days, "J" and I went for a hike in the woods with some Kratom. We had an awesome time. A week later, I mentioned something about a vague memory, possibly a dream of walking up into the hollow around where I live. "J" was like, "Yeah, you were with me!"

It seemed like every day that went by after all of this someone was telling me something else that happened that I had no fucking idea ever existed. A complete week of my life washed away as if I slept through it, but I don't ever remember sleeping!


Credits:

My girlfriend came back to "M's" house to get drugs with "An" with her pants undone and they were giggling with each other while she was trying to put "An's" belt back on after they got kicked out of "An's" Uncle's house for having sex. My girlfriend is not bisexual.

She also went to her Mother's house one day drunk as hell, still blacked out and stole her Brother's truck to go to a party. She can't drive a standard. Truck in the woods. Things ran over. Vehicle damaged. She remembered nothing of this when she spoke with her Mom about it after she snapped out of the blackout. I'm not even sure she even believes it really happened.

"An," "Je's" girl got arrested, and he was in court to see her. This was 6 days after she had taken any of the drug, and he said she was so out of it that she didn't even recognize her own Mother.

"Je" couldn't deal with the fact that his girl had slept with mine as well as prostituted herself, so he ended up in jail again on drug charges. The bounty hunters from WV came and got him on a warrant. When he got out, he informed me that he was in the same pod that we were in and some of the same people were there. I guess the reason the big dude was so pissed off at me was because I was slamming the phone for some reason or another. The guy was like, "Man, that's my only connection to the outside world!" And "Je," the guy was pissed at him because we lost a game of cards and he was supposed to give up his breakfast and didn't. I don't remember playing cards.

Seriously though, picture that. Two dudes from out of state come into this jail pod and act like they run the place when there are people there serving year long sentences. My God.

"G," the guy who grabbed up his girl, lost his girl, and got arrested. He is banned from the apartment complex.

"J" was calling people yelling, "Praise Mother Russia!" Phenazepam is a Russian benzodiazepine for those that don't know. However, for the most part, "J" and his girlfriend were the only two that stayed at home away from the drama but still suffer severe memory loss from that horrific week.


The End:

My girlfriend and I have worked things out. She is no longer on the streets. She is very ashamed of everything that she did, and I have forgiven her due to circumstance.

All I can say to end this is, if you do not have an appropriate scale, DO NOT experiment with pharmaceutical grade benzodiazepine powders, at least ones as potent as alprazolam (Xanax). This is an account of a MASSIVE overdose. I would not be alive today if benzodiazepines affected the GABA receptors the same way that barbiturates do. I am still lucky to be alive due to all the other drugs (including other benzodiazepines that weren't mentioned) that I ingested during this mess.


Smocking crack and doing heroin.. Hmm lets give this guy a big round of applause for admitting he is a dumb loser druggie who manipulates his parents for drug money

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If I can't manipulate my parents into giving me money or sell drugs to get money, I just don't do drugs.


Who thefawk panhandles for drug money? CRACK? You gotta be kidding me.

Seriously: Fuck drugs. Smoke weed occasionally and live life. Thats it. Infrequent psychedelics (like a salvia trip or something) to expand your consciousness and think about life in a more open fashion with a different perspective. Build yourself off of your experiences, don't do so much dope you can't even remember who you are. That shit is stupid.
since 98'
Terrakin
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States1440 Posts
July 09 2010 22:54 GMT
#6504
protip: cannabis is a drug
Fame was like a drug. But what was even more like a drug were the drugs.
oo_xerox
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States852 Posts
July 10 2010 06:02 GMT
#6505
On July 05 2010 22:40 Xeofreestyler wrote:
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On July 05 2010 22:27 oo_xerox wrote:
this is for customers not sellers pls leave......


lol who said they're sellers?

On July 06 2010 02:07 LeperKahn wrote:
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On July 05 2010 22:27 oo_xerox wrote:
this is for customers not sellers pls leave......


trolling the high kids eh?

guys listen to Shpongle's album Nothing Lasts... But nothing is lost
amazing music

On July 06 2010 02:15 WeSt wrote:
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On July 05 2010 22:27 oo_xerox wrote:
this is for customers not sellers pls leave......


If you actually read my post you should know I don't support drug dealing.


My first troll comment..........i hope i dont get banned......i was high so sorry ;P
I could get a more coherent article by gluing a Sharpie to a dog's cook and letting it hump the page.
JadeFist
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States1225 Posts
July 10 2010 06:03 GMT
#6506
Anyone smoke and play Smash 64. Just did tonight with bro and some friends.

Was pretty fun but I sucked.
Grobyc
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada18410 Posts
July 10 2010 06:11 GMT
#6507
On July 10 2010 15:03 JadeFist wrote:
Anyone smoke and play Smash 64. Just did tonight with bro and some friends.

Was pretty fun but I sucked.

yeah, a few times. sooooooooooooooooooooooo fucking intense. I always seemed to just barely pull out on top against my friend when we do. Epic Fox(IMBA, him) vs C.Falcon micro. We were actually planning on emulating it on the PC and streaming it live lol.
If you watch Godzilla backwards it's about a benevolent lizard who helps rebuild a city and then moonwalks into the ocean.
MadVillain
Profile Joined June 2010
United States402 Posts
July 10 2010 06:21 GMT
#6508
On July 10 2010 15:03 JadeFist wrote:
Anyone smoke and play Smash 64. Just did tonight with bro and some friends.

Was pretty fun but I sucked.



This is exactly how I got good at smash. Just blazing and playing till all hours of the night. Its unbelievably fun. I wish they could remake it on the 3ds or something so they're would be online play that would be TIGHT.
For The Swarm!
maneatingshoe
Profile Joined April 2009
Canada484 Posts
July 10 2010 06:57 GMT
#6509
just bought a xbox 360 controller for my computer, am super blazed, getting down to some snes roms
SiNiquity
Profile Joined April 2010
United States734 Posts
July 10 2010 07:14 GMT
#6510
Never been high, and my job prevents me from ever getting there. Enjoy fellas. I'm just high on life
'i' before 'e' except after 'c' ~ it's scientifically proven.
NrG.Bamboo
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States2756 Posts
July 10 2010 15:13 GMT
#6511
On July 10 2010 16:14 SiNiquity wrote:
Never been high, and my job prevents me from ever getting there. Enjoy fellas. I'm just high on life

What job? =]
I need to protect all your life you can enjoy the vibrant life of your battery
niteReloaded
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Croatia5281 Posts
July 10 2010 16:12 GMT
#6512
I'm not high and I'll do my best to write this post in perfect grammar, sporting a coherent thought process, ALL TO RUIN YOUR THREAD HAHAHAHAHA.

watcha gonna do bout it?*

*(intention grammar mistakes for stylistic purposes)
SiNiquity
Profile Joined April 2010
United States734 Posts
July 10 2010 18:39 GMT
#6513
On July 11 2010 00:13 Valentine wrote:
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On July 10 2010 16:14 SiNiquity wrote:
Never been high, and my job prevents me from ever getting there. Enjoy fellas. I'm just high on life

What job? =]

One that does drug testing =]
'i' before 'e' except after 'c' ~ it's scientifically proven.
locodoco
Profile Joined July 2010
Korea (South)1615 Posts
July 10 2010 18:43 GMT
#6514
any1 here getting green hook ups in korea?
i wish riot would give me better ping
MiniRoman
Profile Blog Joined September 2003
Canada3953 Posts
July 10 2010 19:14 GMT
#6515
17 days clean in recovery. fuck my life is boring now. well i guess it was always boring but i was high so it was coo, cunttttttt

NA 4 life ~_~

for real though my attitude has changed a lot in these last couple of weeks. I'm two months into the program and my desire to use / overall drug intake has decreased substantially. The first time I experienced sober joy and happiness it felt like I was high. Very fucking strange. I was addicted to feeling different and after so long sobreity felt different, again -- very fucking strange. I'm a lot healthier, work is much easier and my ability to finish personal projects is a lot better. Still I miss all the drugs. Life is whack.
Nak Allstar.
Lurker87
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States172 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-10 19:22:19
July 10 2010 19:20 GMT
#6516
Does anyone else's APM sometimes appear to increase when baked? In SC1, it would go from ~110 to about 140. In SC2, it goes from about 100 to 120. Weed is OP -.-
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-10 19:38:08
July 10 2010 19:35 GMT
#6517
well, i just took a home drug test and im negative for thc
about a month clean now

that's about 5 years worth of daily smoking cleaned out of my system

(i don't really miss it at all but I was ready to stop)
Darpa
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada4413 Posts
July 10 2010 19:44 GMT
#6518
I swear, Sc2 is way to complicated to play stoned, SNES bomberman with 4 players stoned is the most intense competition... mario kart is also up there.
"losers always whine about their best, Winners go home and fuck the prom queen"
NrG.Bamboo
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States2756 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-10 20:40:00
July 10 2010 20:36 GMT
#6519
On July 11 2010 03:39 SiNiquity wrote:
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On July 11 2010 00:13 Valentine wrote:
On July 10 2010 16:14 SiNiquity wrote:
Never been high, and my job prevents me from ever getting there. Enjoy fellas. I'm just high on life

What job? =]

One that does drug testing =]

Well I was kind of thinking that most people don't have one job for the rest of their lives, I wanted to know if this was some sort of long term career or something :p

That's all.
On July 11 2010 04:14 MiniRoman wrote:
17 days clean in recovery. fuck my life is boring now. well i guess it was always boring but i was high so it was coo, cunttttttt

NA 4 life ~_~

for real though my attitude has changed a lot in these last couple of weeks. I'm two months into the program and my desire to use / overall drug intake has decreased substantially. The first time I experienced sober joy and happiness it felt like I was high. Very fucking strange. I was addicted to feeling different and after so long sobreity felt different, again -- very fucking strange. I'm a lot healthier, work is much easier and my ability to finish personal projects is a lot better. Still I miss all the drugs. Life is whack.

Awesome! Really happy for you man.
I need to protect all your life you can enjoy the vibrant life of your battery
FakeSteve[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Valhalla18444 Posts
July 10 2010 20:48 GMT
#6520
i envy you people's ability to get totally destroyed by weed

other than my chun li being far more aggressive i am relatively unchanged under the influence. makes me feel great though, does wonders for joint pain!

with school coming up in september i'm saying goodbye to the stuff more or less
Moderatormy tatsu loops r fuckin nice
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