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FFW_Rude
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France10201 Posts
January 07 2015 13:17 GMT
#61
On January 07 2015 22:15 Nebuchad wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 07 2015 22:10 Biff The Understudy wrote:
On January 07 2015 22:08 Roggay wrote:
On January 07 2015 22:03 Biff The Understudy wrote:
What is really telling is that those islamists cunts don't target the racist anti-muslim far right.

They didn't target Minute which is an openly fascist anti-arab anti-muslim newspaper. They didn't target Eric Zemmour that calls for all muslims in France to be deported. They didn't target Marine Le Pen and her neo fascist discourse.

They target free thinkers, people with no hatred, people whose weapon is humour and satire.

Charlie Hebdo was probably less protected than those other targets. Its hard to begin with to target individual people and I guess Minute has more protections.

Charlie and its journalists were under 24 hours police protection. That's not the reason. The reason is that free thinkers are a much bigger threat to fundamentalists than hateful fascists.

Charlie has been threatened and targeted multiple times. I never heard of anyone trying to kill Le Pen. They shouldn't: she is their best ally.


Do we know if these two guys decided to do that by themselves or if they were sent? If we don't know, it's early to say stuff like this.


The only thing we know is that those people shouldn't have the right to live. But we know nothing. Names or why are unknown. They screamed "We made vengeance for the prophet mahomet". That's all.
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endy
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Switzerland8970 Posts
January 07 2015 13:19 GMT
#62
On January 07 2015 22:03 Biff The Understudy wrote:
What is really telling is that those islamists cunts don't target the racist anti-muslim far right.

They didn't target Minute which is an openly fascist anti-arab anti-muslim newspaper. They didn't target Eric Zemmour that calls for all muslims in France to be deported. They didn't target Marine Le Pen and her neo fascist discourse.

They target free thinkers, people with no hatred, people whose weapon is humour and satire.


That's also what surprised me the most. A question begs to be asked: who does this attack benefit?
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heliusx
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States2306 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-07 13:21:03
January 07 2015 13:19 GMT
#63
On January 07 2015 22:12 RCMDVA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 07 2015 22:11 FFW_Rude wrote:
On January 07 2015 22:08 Roggay wrote:
On January 07 2015 22:03 Biff The Understudy wrote:
What is really telling is that those islamists cunts don't target the racist anti-muslim far right.

They didn't target Minute which is an openly fascist anti-arab anti-muslim newspaper. They didn't target Eric Zemmour that calls for all muslims in France to be deported. They didn't target Marine Le Pen and her neo fascist discourse.

They target free thinkers, people with no hatred, people whose weapon is humour and satire.

Charlie Hebdo was probably less protected than those other targets. Its hard to begin with to target individual people and I guess Minute has more protections.


Yeah that's really a powerfull thing to go to unarmed civilian with assault riffle. Next time they should attack an army camp. Just to see if they can fire more than two bullets...


Ft. Hood, TX.


He was in the military he knew exactly where to go to target unarmed soldiers. Besides he worked there, its not like he had to fight his way in.
dude bro.
klup
Profile Joined May 2013
France612 Posts
January 07 2015 13:19 GMT
#64
On January 07 2015 22:10 Biff The Understudy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 07 2015 22:08 Roggay wrote:
On January 07 2015 22:03 Biff The Understudy wrote:
What is really telling is that those islamists cunts don't target the racist anti-muslim far right.

They didn't target Minute which is an openly fascist anti-arab anti-muslim newspaper. They didn't target Eric Zemmour that calls for all muslims in France to be deported. They didn't target Marine Le Pen and her neo fascist discourse.

They target free thinkers, people with no hatred, people whose weapon is humour and satire.

Charlie Hebdo was probably less protected than those other targets. Its hard to begin with to target individual people and I guess Minute has more protections.

Charlie and its journalists were under 24 hours police protection. That's not the reason. The reason is that free thinkers are a much bigger threat to fundamentalists than hateful fascists.

Charlie has been threatened and targeted multiple times. I never heard of anyone trying to kill Le Pen. They shouldn't: she is their best ally.


Indeed those guys are fanatics, what fanatics wants is war! What Le Pen will give them is war ! What Charlie Hebdo was doing is discussing these issues really smart with humor and without an ounce of hatred, trying to "defuse the bomb" of a religious/racist war with humanist ideas. Unfortunately the perfect target for those fanatics.
FFW_Rude
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France10201 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-07 13:23:51
January 07 2015 13:21 GMT
#65
Coco is alive. She saw everything from under a desk...

http://www.humanite.fr/charlie-hebdo-le-temoignage-de-la-dessinatrice-coco-562041

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Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42381 Posts
January 07 2015 13:21 GMT
#66
On January 07 2015 22:19 heliusx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 07 2015 22:12 RCMDVA wrote:
On January 07 2015 22:11 FFW_Rude wrote:
On January 07 2015 22:08 Roggay wrote:
On January 07 2015 22:03 Biff The Understudy wrote:
What is really telling is that those islamists cunts don't target the racist anti-muslim far right.

They didn't target Minute which is an openly fascist anti-arab anti-muslim newspaper. They didn't target Eric Zemmour that calls for all muslims in France to be deported. They didn't target Marine Le Pen and her neo fascist discourse.

They target free thinkers, people with no hatred, people whose weapon is humour and satire.

Charlie Hebdo was probably less protected than those other targets. Its hard to begin with to target individual people and I guess Minute has more protections.


Yeah that's really a powerfull thing to go to unarmed civilian with assault riffle. Next time they should attack an army camp. Just to see if they can fire more than two bullets...


Ft. Hood, TX.


He was in the military he knew exactly where to go to target unarmed soldiers.


You don't have to look far for 'unarmed' soldiers on an army base..
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
WhiteDog
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France8650 Posts
January 07 2015 13:23 GMT
#67
Frightening. Apparently they were 2 and got into the newsroom during a meeting, shot down many of the well known cartoonist of Charlie Hebdo: Charb, Cabu, Wolinski and Tignous.
"every time WhiteDog overuses the word "seriously" in a comment I can make an observation on his fragile emotional state." MoltkeWarding
FFW_Rude
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France10201 Posts
January 07 2015 13:23 GMT
#68
On January 07 2015 22:21 Grettin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 07 2015 22:19 heliusx wrote:
On January 07 2015 22:12 RCMDVA wrote:
On January 07 2015 22:11 FFW_Rude wrote:
On January 07 2015 22:08 Roggay wrote:
On January 07 2015 22:03 Biff The Understudy wrote:
What is really telling is that those islamists cunts don't target the racist anti-muslim far right.

They didn't target Minute which is an openly fascist anti-arab anti-muslim newspaper. They didn't target Eric Zemmour that calls for all muslims in France to be deported. They didn't target Marine Le Pen and her neo fascist discourse.

They target free thinkers, people with no hatred, people whose weapon is humour and satire.

Charlie Hebdo was probably less protected than those other targets. Its hard to begin with to target individual people and I guess Minute has more protections.


Yeah that's really a powerfull thing to go to unarmed civilian with assault riffle. Next time they should attack an army camp. Just to see if they can fire more than two bullets...


Ft. Hood, TX.


He was in the military he knew exactly where to go to target unarmed soldiers.


You don't have to look far for 'unarmed' soldiers on an army base..

Yes but that wasn't the point.
#1 KT Rolster fanboy. KT BEST KT ! Hail to KT playoffs Zergs ! Unofficial french translator for SlayerS_`Boxer` biography "Crazy as me".
klup
Profile Joined May 2013
France612 Posts
January 07 2015 13:23 GMT
#69
On January 07 2015 22:19 endy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 07 2015 22:03 Biff The Understudy wrote:
What is really telling is that those islamists cunts don't target the racist anti-muslim far right.

They didn't target Minute which is an openly fascist anti-arab anti-muslim newspaper. They didn't target Eric Zemmour that calls for all muslims in France to be deported. They didn't target Marine Le Pen and her neo fascist discourse.

They target free thinkers, people with no hatred, people whose weapon is humour and satire.


That's also what surprised me the most. A question begs to be asked: who does this attack benefit?


There is no "who does this attack benefit" because those guys are just stupid and fanatics, I'm not conviced that they are acting for a greater plan. Just human stupidity and hate at its finest.
Spaylz
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Japan1743 Posts
January 07 2015 13:25 GMT
#70
Fuck, man. Fuck these guys.

Cabu was a major figure of French journalism, and has been for many years. To have him die like that... It's nothing short of shameful.

Charlie Hebdo is known for being provocative toward pretty much everything, and especially when religion is involved. They shit on extremism from all three major religions. This is just... I am speechless.
I like words.
Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France7888 Posts
January 07 2015 13:27 GMT
#71
On January 07 2015 22:19 endy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 07 2015 22:03 Biff The Understudy wrote:
What is really telling is that those islamists cunts don't target the racist anti-muslim far right.

They didn't target Minute which is an openly fascist anti-arab anti-muslim newspaper. They didn't target Eric Zemmour that calls for all muslims in France to be deported. They didn't target Marine Le Pen and her neo fascist discourse.

They target free thinkers, people with no hatred, people whose weapon is humour and satire.


That's also what surprised me the most. A question begs to be asked: who does this attack benefit?

Well, it's not that surprising. Fundamentalists benefit from being hatred and feared, but being laughed at, that's intolerable for them. Le Pen or Zemmour say that those people are a danger and that we are at war: that's exactly what they want. Cabu and Charb were saying they were pathetic morons that deserve to be mocked, and they killed them.
The fellow who is out to burn things up is the counterpart of the fool who thinks he can save the world. The world needs neither to be burned up nor to be saved. The world is, we are. Transients, if we buck it; here to stay if we accept it. ~H.Miller
WhiteDog
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France8650 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-07 13:33:22
January 07 2015 13:30 GMT
#72
On January 07 2015 22:27 Biff The Understudy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 07 2015 22:19 endy wrote:
On January 07 2015 22:03 Biff The Understudy wrote:
What is really telling is that those islamists cunts don't target the racist anti-muslim far right.

They didn't target Minute which is an openly fascist anti-arab anti-muslim newspaper. They didn't target Eric Zemmour that calls for all muslims in France to be deported. They didn't target Marine Le Pen and her neo fascist discourse.

They target free thinkers, people with no hatred, people whose weapon is humour and satire.


That's also what surprised me the most. A question begs to be asked: who does this attack benefit?

Well, it's not that surprising. Fundamentalists benefit from being hatred and feared, but being laughed at, that's intolerable for them. Le Pen or Zemmour say that those people are a danger and that we are at war: that's exactly what they want. Cabu and Charb were saying they were pathetic morons that deserve to be mocked, and they killed them.

Apparently they were talking a really bad french, so it's not sure they're french. Maybe they didn't even know about Zemmour, he is a french phenomena, but the caricature of the prophet had an eccho internationally.
"every time WhiteDog overuses the word "seriously" in a comment I can make an observation on his fragile emotional state." MoltkeWarding
Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France7888 Posts
January 07 2015 13:33 GMT
#73
On January 07 2015 22:30 WhiteDog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 07 2015 22:27 Biff The Understudy wrote:
On January 07 2015 22:19 endy wrote:
On January 07 2015 22:03 Biff The Understudy wrote:
What is really telling is that those islamists cunts don't target the racist anti-muslim far right.

They didn't target Minute which is an openly fascist anti-arab anti-muslim newspaper. They didn't target Eric Zemmour that calls for all muslims in France to be deported. They didn't target Marine Le Pen and her neo fascist discourse.

They target free thinkers, people with no hatred, people whose weapon is humour and satire.


That's also what surprised me the most. A question begs to be asked: who does this attack benefit?

Well, it's not that surprising. Fundamentalists benefit from being hatred and feared, but being laughed at, that's intolerable for them. Le Pen or Zemmour say that those people are a danger and that we are at war: that's exactly what they want. Cabu and Charb were saying they were pathetic morons that deserve to be mocked, and they killed them.

Apparently they were talking a really bad french, so it's not sure they're french. Maybe they didn't even know about Zemmour, he is a french phenomena, but the caricature of the prophet had an eccho internationally.

Dunno if posted :
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2e6xny_attentats-au-siege-de-charlie-hebdo-images-de-la-fuite-des-terroristes_news?start=3

No, they were speaking a French with no accent according to Libération.
The fellow who is out to burn things up is the counterpart of the fool who thinks he can save the world. The world needs neither to be burned up nor to be saved. The world is, we are. Transients, if we buck it; here to stay if we accept it. ~H.Miller
heliusx
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States2306 Posts
January 07 2015 13:33 GMT
#74
On January 07 2015 22:21 Grettin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 07 2015 22:19 heliusx wrote:
On January 07 2015 22:12 RCMDVA wrote:
On January 07 2015 22:11 FFW_Rude wrote:
On January 07 2015 22:08 Roggay wrote:
On January 07 2015 22:03 Biff The Understudy wrote:
What is really telling is that those islamists cunts don't target the racist anti-muslim far right.

They didn't target Minute which is an openly fascist anti-arab anti-muslim newspaper. They didn't target Eric Zemmour that calls for all muslims in France to be deported. They didn't target Marine Le Pen and her neo fascist discourse.

They target free thinkers, people with no hatred, people whose weapon is humour and satire.

Charlie Hebdo was probably less protected than those other targets. Its hard to begin with to target individual people and I guess Minute has more protections.


Yeah that's really a powerfull thing to go to unarmed civilian with assault riffle. Next time they should attack an army camp. Just to see if they can fire more than two bullets...


Ft. Hood, TX.


He was in the military he knew exactly where to go to target unarmed soldiers.


You don't have to look far for 'unarmed' soldiers on an army base..

I didn't mean to imply soldiers walk around armed. He knew where to go to target men who couldn't defend themselves because they were unarmed and there was no security around.
dude bro.
FFW_Rude
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France10201 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-07 13:34:47
January 07 2015 13:33 GMT
#75
On January 07 2015 22:30 WhiteDog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 07 2015 22:27 Biff The Understudy wrote:
On January 07 2015 22:19 endy wrote:
On January 07 2015 22:03 Biff The Understudy wrote:
What is really telling is that those islamists cunts don't target the racist anti-muslim far right.

They didn't target Minute which is an openly fascist anti-arab anti-muslim newspaper. They didn't target Eric Zemmour that calls for all muslims in France to be deported. They didn't target Marine Le Pen and her neo fascist discourse.

They target free thinkers, people with no hatred, people whose weapon is humour and satire.


That's also what surprised me the most. A question begs to be asked: who does this attack benefit?

Well, it's not that surprising. Fundamentalists benefit from being hatred and feared, but being laughed at, that's intolerable for them. Le Pen or Zemmour say that those people are a danger and that we are at war: that's exactly what they want. Cabu and Charb were saying they were pathetic morons that deserve to be mocked, and they killed them.

Apparently they were talking a really bad french, so it's not sure they're french. Maybe they didn't even know about Zemmour, he is a french phenomena, but the caricature of the prophet had an eccho internationally.

Dunno if posted, a video of the two armed men :
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2e6xny_attentats-au-siege-de-charlie-hebdo-images-de-la-fuite-des-terroristes_news?start=3


""Ils ont tiré sur Wolinski, Cabu… ça a duré cinq minutes… Je m’étais réfugiée sous un bureau… Ils parlaient parfaitement le français… Se revendiquaient d’Al-Qaïda.""

They were talking perfect french. it's from coco who survived the attack. Oh man... She opened the door for them

http://www.humanite.fr/charlie-hebdo-le-temoignage-de-la-dessinatrice-coco-562041
#1 KT Rolster fanboy. KT BEST KT ! Hail to KT playoffs Zergs ! Unofficial french translator for SlayerS_`Boxer` biography "Crazy as me".
Furikawari
Profile Joined February 2014
France2522 Posts
January 07 2015 13:33 GMT
#76
Apparenlty they were speaking fluent french.
Spaylz
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Japan1743 Posts
January 07 2015 13:34 GMT
#77
On January 07 2015 22:30 WhiteDog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 07 2015 22:27 Biff The Understudy wrote:
On January 07 2015 22:19 endy wrote:
On January 07 2015 22:03 Biff The Understudy wrote:
What is really telling is that those islamists cunts don't target the racist anti-muslim far right.

They didn't target Minute which is an openly fascist anti-arab anti-muslim newspaper. They didn't target Eric Zemmour that calls for all muslims in France to be deported. They didn't target Marine Le Pen and her neo fascist discourse.

They target free thinkers, people with no hatred, people whose weapon is humour and satire.


That's also what surprised me the most. A question begs to be asked: who does this attack benefit?

Well, it's not that surprising. Fundamentalists benefit from being hatred and feared, but being laughed at, that's intolerable for them. Le Pen or Zemmour say that those people are a danger and that we are at war: that's exactly what they want. Cabu and Charb were saying they were pathetic morons that deserve to be mocked, and they killed them.

Apparently they were talking a really bad french, so it's not sure they're french. Maybe they didn't even know about Zemmour, he is a french phenomena, but the caricature of the prophet had an eccho internationally.



Coco's testimony suggests they spoke perfect French. Are there any other witnesses to refute or corroborate that?
I like words.
ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22208 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-07 13:34:55
January 07 2015 13:34 GMT
#78

this is the reality facing the streets of Europe
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Aeromi
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
France14459 Posts
January 07 2015 13:35 GMT
#79
On January 07 2015 22:34 ahswtini wrote:

this is the reality facing the streets of Europe

Sorry, I can't allow you to post this.
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FFW_Rude
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France10201 Posts
January 07 2015 13:35 GMT
#80
On January 07 2015 22:35 Aeromi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 07 2015 22:34 ahswtini wrote:

this is the reality facing the streets of Europe

Sorry, I can't allow you to post this.


Thank you.
#1 KT Rolster fanboy. KT BEST KT ! Hail to KT playoffs Zergs ! Unofficial french translator for SlayerS_`Boxer` biography "Crazy as me".
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