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On January 08 2015 06:40 zatic wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2015 06:31 Ishentar wrote:On January 08 2015 06:24 Millitron wrote:On January 08 2015 06:08 Ishentar wrote:On January 08 2015 06:03 r00ty wrote:On January 08 2015 05:56 Ishentar wrote:
@zatic : Well I've seen on french news websites photos of ammunition and loaded magazines. I think it doesn't look like hunting caliber which is the only one legally available, i'll PM you if I find them. There's just marginal differences between the military and civil variants. E.g. .223 Remington (civil) and 5.56mm NATO. Pic: + Show Spoiler + Indeed, few differences, however I think the experts are able to distinguish the 2 calibers. Moreover, I have an hard time loading them since my student connection is really bad, but the videos of the shooting are quite easy to find online, according to the rate of fire on them, if you know weapons, you should be able to deduce whether they're automatic or not. Some sources I'm finding are saying the terrorists used AK47's. Which are obviously military weapons which are outright banned in France. The videos clearly sound like semi-automatic fire, which corroborates that. The AK47 is capable of both semi-automatic and fully automatic fire. Just checked some french armories online, AK variants are available if you have have been allowed to own one. Meaning you need to sign up to a club, go shooting 3 times a year and ask your GP for a doctor's note. It's really not that hard. Probably anyone French of legal age on this forum could do it. Again I am not saying those jihadists where shooting club members and used legally bought guns. Given their history I highly doubt it. But I hate this misinformation that they used "military grade" guns which are supposedly banned in France. It's simply false. The same thing happens again and again in Germany after guns are used in violent crime. The officials then tell us all is well because military weapons are banned anyway when in reality the shooting was committed with guns that are readily accessible for anyone with a license (and that licenses aren't really that hard to come by).
yes there are a lot more weapons owned privately in the EU than most ppl think and it is realtively easy to akquire them.
...also i feel like this is really besides the point of this thread so sorry
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On January 08 2015 07:09 ThomasjServo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2015 07:00 Boucot wrote:
Apparently the terrorists have been identified because one of them forgot his ID card in the stolen car. Confirmed idiots. It is almost comical that is how they ID'd one of them considering most media I consumed today was discussing the proficient, calm manner in which the attack was executed. I cannot think of a way for them to get out of the way of Interpol now.
Well the attack was planned and cold blooded, but they tried to escape Paris in an extreme hurry for they're hunted men.
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On January 08 2015 07:12 Kleinmuuhg wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2015 06:40 zatic wrote:On January 08 2015 06:31 Ishentar wrote:On January 08 2015 06:24 Millitron wrote:On January 08 2015 06:08 Ishentar wrote:On January 08 2015 06:03 r00ty wrote:On January 08 2015 05:56 Ishentar wrote:
@zatic : Well I've seen on french news websites photos of ammunition and loaded magazines. I think it doesn't look like hunting caliber which is the only one legally available, i'll PM you if I find them. There's just marginal differences between the military and civil variants. E.g. .223 Remington (civil) and 5.56mm NATO. Pic: + Show Spoiler + Indeed, few differences, however I think the experts are able to distinguish the 2 calibers. Moreover, I have an hard time loading them since my student connection is really bad, but the videos of the shooting are quite easy to find online, according to the rate of fire on them, if you know weapons, you should be able to deduce whether they're automatic or not. Some sources I'm finding are saying the terrorists used AK47's. Which are obviously military weapons which are outright banned in France. The videos clearly sound like semi-automatic fire, which corroborates that. The AK47 is capable of both semi-automatic and fully automatic fire. Just checked some french armories online, AK variants are available if you have have been allowed to own one. Meaning you need to sign up to a club, go shooting 3 times a year and ask your GP for a doctor's note. It's really not that hard. Probably anyone French of legal age on this forum could do it. Again I am not saying those jihadists where shooting club members and used legally bought guns. Given their history I highly doubt it. But I hate this misinformation that they used "military grade" guns which are supposedly banned in France. It's simply false. The same thing happens again and again in Germany after guns are used in violent crime. The officials then tell us all is well because military weapons are banned anyway when in reality the shooting was committed with guns that are readily accessible for anyone with a license (and that licenses aren't really that hard to come by). yes there are a lot more weapons owned privately in the EU than most ppl think and it is realtively easy to akquire them.
Relative to what? The US? That's absolutely not true.
The point is, if these guns were acquired illegally, which they probably were, all the gun control in the world wouldn't have stopped them. What good is requiring a psyche test and mountains of paperwork when criminals can just go buy anything they want on the black market?
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According to BFMTV, a police intervention is ongoing in Reims with the RAID. It's official.
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On January 08 2015 07:00 Boucot wrote:
Apparently the terrorists have been identified because one of them forgot his ID card in the stolen car. Confirmed idiots.
Any chance whatsoever it was planted? Why would they have ID cards lying around.
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On January 08 2015 07:16 Millitron wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2015 07:12 Kleinmuuhg wrote:On January 08 2015 06:40 zatic wrote:On January 08 2015 06:31 Ishentar wrote:On January 08 2015 06:24 Millitron wrote:On January 08 2015 06:08 Ishentar wrote:On January 08 2015 06:03 r00ty wrote:On January 08 2015 05:56 Ishentar wrote:
@zatic : Well I've seen on french news websites photos of ammunition and loaded magazines. I think it doesn't look like hunting caliber which is the only one legally available, i'll PM you if I find them. There's just marginal differences between the military and civil variants. E.g. .223 Remington (civil) and 5.56mm NATO. Pic: + Show Spoiler + Indeed, few differences, however I think the experts are able to distinguish the 2 calibers. Moreover, I have an hard time loading them since my student connection is really bad, but the videos of the shooting are quite easy to find online, according to the rate of fire on them, if you know weapons, you should be able to deduce whether they're automatic or not. Some sources I'm finding are saying the terrorists used AK47's. Which are obviously military weapons which are outright banned in France. The videos clearly sound like semi-automatic fire, which corroborates that. The AK47 is capable of both semi-automatic and fully automatic fire. Just checked some french armories online, AK variants are available if you have have been allowed to own one. Meaning you need to sign up to a club, go shooting 3 times a year and ask your GP for a doctor's note. It's really not that hard. Probably anyone French of legal age on this forum could do it. Again I am not saying those jihadists where shooting club members and used legally bought guns. Given their history I highly doubt it. But I hate this misinformation that they used "military grade" guns which are supposedly banned in France. It's simply false. The same thing happens again and again in Germany after guns are used in violent crime. The officials then tell us all is well because military weapons are banned anyway when in reality the shooting was committed with guns that are readily accessible for anyone with a license (and that licenses aren't really that hard to come by). yes there are a lot more weapons owned privately in the EU than most ppl think and it is realtively easy to akquire them. Relative to what? The US? That's absolutely not true. The point is, if these guns were acquired illegally, which they probably were, all the gun control in the world wouldn't have stopped them. What good is requiring a psyche test and mountains of paperwork when criminals can just go buy anything they want on the black market?
Because going through illegal channels is harder than legal channels. Which is why we make things illegal in the first place.
The definition of criminals is that they do things against the law. Doesn't mean the law is useless.
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On January 08 2015 07:11 DeepElemBlues wrote:
Infiltration through refugees and immigrants is something that has gone on for thousands of years, it is something that people very much should think about.
What the fuck ? Are you really from the country of the "melting pot" ?
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On January 08 2015 07:09 ThomasjServo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2015 07:00 Boucot wrote:
Apparently the terrorists have been identified because one of them forgot his ID card in the stolen car. Confirmed idiots. It is almost comical that is how they ID'd one of them considering most media I consumed today was discussing the proficient, calm manner in which the attack was executed. I cannot think of a way for them to get out of the way of Interpol now.
Well the guy who grabbed the shoe must not of been the guy who left the ID. My presumption would be it had to be the teenager otherwise how could they have ID'd him?
+ Show Spoiler +Or... It's a frame up. **removes tinfoil hat**
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On January 08 2015 07:20 -Zoda- wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2015 07:11 DeepElemBlues wrote:
Infiltration through refugees and immigrants is something that has gone on for thousands of years, it is something that people very much should think about. What the fuck ? Are you really from the country of the "melting pot" ?
He is a hardcore republican. I'm sorry to say that almost everything I have ever read from him has given me a total headache at best.
Now it is a real question whether or not French people will be stupid enough to put all muslims in the same basket or not... I suspect they will and the great winner of this whole thing will be Le Pen, but we never know, as we say "le pire n'est pas certain"...
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On January 08 2015 07:19 DeltaSigmaL wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2015 07:16 Millitron wrote:On January 08 2015 07:12 Kleinmuuhg wrote:On January 08 2015 06:40 zatic wrote:On January 08 2015 06:31 Ishentar wrote:On January 08 2015 06:24 Millitron wrote:On January 08 2015 06:08 Ishentar wrote:On January 08 2015 06:03 r00ty wrote:On January 08 2015 05:56 Ishentar wrote:
@zatic : Well I've seen on french news websites photos of ammunition and loaded magazines. I think it doesn't look like hunting caliber which is the only one legally available, i'll PM you if I find them. There's just marginal differences between the military and civil variants. E.g. .223 Remington (civil) and 5.56mm NATO. Pic: + Show Spoiler + Indeed, few differences, however I think the experts are able to distinguish the 2 calibers. Moreover, I have an hard time loading them since my student connection is really bad, but the videos of the shooting are quite easy to find online, according to the rate of fire on them, if you know weapons, you should be able to deduce whether they're automatic or not. Some sources I'm finding are saying the terrorists used AK47's. Which are obviously military weapons which are outright banned in France. The videos clearly sound like semi-automatic fire, which corroborates that. The AK47 is capable of both semi-automatic and fully automatic fire. Just checked some french armories online, AK variants are available if you have have been allowed to own one. Meaning you need to sign up to a club, go shooting 3 times a year and ask your GP for a doctor's note. It's really not that hard. Probably anyone French of legal age on this forum could do it. Again I am not saying those jihadists where shooting club members and used legally bought guns. Given their history I highly doubt it. But I hate this misinformation that they used "military grade" guns which are supposedly banned in France. It's simply false. The same thing happens again and again in Germany after guns are used in violent crime. The officials then tell us all is well because military weapons are banned anyway when in reality the shooting was committed with guns that are readily accessible for anyone with a license (and that licenses aren't really that hard to come by). yes there are a lot more weapons owned privately in the EU than most ppl think and it is realtively easy to akquire them. Relative to what? The US? That's absolutely not true. The point is, if these guns were acquired illegally, which they probably were, all the gun control in the world wouldn't have stopped them. What good is requiring a psyche test and mountains of paperwork when criminals can just go buy anything they want on the black market? Because going through illegal channels is harder than legal channels. Which is why we make things illegal in the first place. The definition of criminals is that they do things against the law. Doesn't mean the law is useless.
It might. Had there been good Samaritans in that office with a gun, there might not be 22 innocent people dead.
On January 08 2015 07:20 -Zoda- wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2015 07:11 DeepElemBlues wrote:
Infiltration through refugees and immigrants is something that has gone on for thousands of years, it is something that people very much should think about. What the fuck ? Are you really from the country of the "melting pot" ?
We don't all like unrestricted immigration.
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BFM TV : ALERTE INFO :
ATTENTAT MEURTRIER CONTRE CHARLIE HEBDO : Une opération de police avec la participation du RAID est en cours à Reims.
BFM TV is a french live news 24/7 channel, they have been told by their sources, which have french police confirmation that a police intervention with the participation of the RAID is ongoing in Reims.
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It is a sad day. This makes me SO FUCKING ANGRY. Condolences and all my support and love for France in these dark times.. My French is not that good but I saw some comments here indicating that the terrorists have been identified, I truly hope so, god fucking damnit. But love is stronger than hate, as Charlie Hebdo said, and THIS is the time to prove that.
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On January 07 2015 23:38 KeksX wrote:
We have a lot of press inquiries about the incidents in Paris in the moment. I've told the dpa(german press agency) three sentences about that and don't intend to write anything more:
"This is not funny. To react to satire with criminal charges, subscription cancellations or Kalashnikov banging is considered rude in the scene. Our sympathies/compassion goes to our french colleagues. This could not have happened at the TITANIC, since we only have 6 editors."
Man..this is so dark and so funny
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On January 08 2015 07:20 -Zoda- wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2015 07:11 DeepElemBlues wrote:
Infiltration through refugees and immigrants is something that has gone on for thousands of years, it is something that people very much should think about. What the fuck ? Are you really from the country of the "melting pot" ?
What I said wasn't against immigration itself.
It was a statement of fact. Refugees and immigrants have been used as cover to infiltrate smugglers and their goods, spies, saboteurs, provocateurs, and raiders for thousands of years.
It's something governments think about very much and it's a serious issue so the people should think about it as well.
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On January 08 2015 07:19 Tien wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2015 07:00 Boucot wrote:
Apparently the terrorists have been identified because one of them forgot his ID card in the stolen car. Confirmed idiots. Any chance whatsoever it was planted? Why would they have ID cards lying around.
Wtf i though the same... How could you lose an ID card as the only way to track you??
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RAID operation underway in Reims
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Yes, many french sources have received police information stating that an anti-terror intervention of the RAID is under way in the french northeastern city of Reims.
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On January 08 2015 07:27 DeepElemBlues wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2015 07:20 -Zoda- wrote:On January 08 2015 07:11 DeepElemBlues wrote:
Infiltration through refugees and immigrants is something that has gone on for thousands of years, it is something that people very much should think about. What the fuck ? Are you really from the country of the "melting pot" ? What I said wasn't against immigration itself. It was a statement of fact. Refugees and immigrants have been used as cover to infiltrate smugglers and their goods, spies, saboteurs, provocateurs, and raiders for thousands of years. It's something governments think about very much and it's a serious issue so the people should think about it as well.
Except those people were French citizen, born in France, genius. They were not infiltrated members of Kim Jong Il secret services of henchmen of Bin Laden on a secret mission disguised as refugees.
I mean seriously...
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John Cleese was interviewed on Dutch television two weeks ago and someone asked him if he would be interested in writing something akin to Life of Brian but concerning Islam instead of Christianity. He replied that he would not consider something like that because he would fear for his life. :/
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