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Just_a_Moth
Profile Joined March 2012
Canada1961 Posts
February 24 2022 04:43 GMT
#26241
I am surprised they just went straight for Kyiv, but I don't know anything about geopolitics/war stuff.
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15723 Posts
February 24 2022 04:52 GMT
#26242
On February 24 2022 13:43 Just_a_Moth wrote:
I am surprised they just went straight for Kyiv, but I don't know anything about geopolitics/war stuff.

When all the world will do is tweet condemnation, why not just go for it? It’s free.
Dav1oN
Profile Joined January 2012
Ukraine3164 Posts
February 24 2022 04:56 GMT
#26243
Can confirm, multiple explosions
In memory of Geoff "iNcontroL" Robinson 11.09.1985 - 21.07.2019 A tribute to incredible man, embodiment of joy, esports titan, starcraft community pillar all in one. You will always be remembered!
Archile
Profile Joined June 2011
United States403 Posts
February 24 2022 05:20 GMT
#26244
stay safe out there
Just a bad player trying to be a little less bad
Lmui
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada6215 Posts
February 24 2022 05:20 GMT
#26245
Straight for the capital city. Not just content to take a region piecemeal. Sorry to the Ukrainians who happen to live next to Russia. Ukraine has nowhere near enough of a military to stop the invasion. I hope they managed to get some retaliation in, but the initial reports are pretty negative.
maybenexttime
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Poland5656 Posts
February 24 2022 05:31 GMT
#26246
I hope NATO decides to intervene. It's better to stop the madman before it gets really out of hand. At the very least, we should sanction them into oblivion.
Starlightsun
Profile Blog Joined June 2016
United States1405 Posts
February 24 2022 05:43 GMT
#26247
On February 24 2022 14:31 maybenexttime wrote:
I hope NATO decides to intervene. It's better to stop the madman before it gets really out of hand. At the very least, we should sanction them into oblivion.


Belarus as well.
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16097 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-02-24 05:51:23
February 24 2022 05:48 GMT
#26248
This has to be very strange and nerve wracking for the people at IEM Katowice when all of this is happening just over the border.

Stay safe out there my Ukranian Starcraft friends. I don't have even the slightest idea of where this is all going but I hope everyone can stay as safe as possible and that it's over quickly.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
maybenexttime
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Poland5656 Posts
February 24 2022 05:48 GMT
#26249
On February 24 2022 14:43 Starlightsun wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 24 2022 14:31 maybenexttime wrote:
I hope NATO decides to intervene. It's better to stop the madman before it gets really out of hand. At the very least, we should sanction them into oblivion.


Belarus as well.

They don't have anything worth sanctioning. It's a Russian puppet completely reliant on Russia economically.
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16097 Posts
February 24 2022 05:51 GMT
#26250
On February 24 2022 14:48 maybenexttime wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 24 2022 14:43 Starlightsun wrote:
On February 24 2022 14:31 maybenexttime wrote:
I hope NATO decides to intervene. It's better to stop the madman before it gets really out of hand. At the very least, we should sanction them into oblivion.


Belarus as well.

They don't have anything worth sanctioning. It's a Russian puppet completely reliant on Russia economically.


They've been getting sanctioned already by the EU for years now too last I checked.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
plasmidghost
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgium16168 Posts
February 24 2022 05:55 GMT
#26251
Come on Ukraine

Yugoslavia will always live on in my heart
plasmidghost
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgium16168 Posts
February 24 2022 05:57 GMT
#26252
Following along here: https://www.reddit.com/live/18hnzysb1elcs
Yugoslavia will always live on in my heart
TheLordofAwesome
Profile Joined May 2014
Korea (South)2655 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-02-24 06:08:53
February 24 2022 06:07 GMT
#26253
On February 24 2022 14:31 maybenexttime wrote:
I hope NATO decides to intervene. It's better to stop the madman before it gets really out of hand. At the very least, we should sanction them into oblivion.

Are you kidding me? USA declares war on Russia, the world ends in a nuclear holocaust. Worst case scenario right there, including for everyone in Ukraine

Putin's not a madman. He wants to restore the Russian Empire. He made that very clear in his hourlong history speech a day or two ago.
r00ty
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany1057 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-02-24 06:12:44
February 24 2022 06:08 GMT
#26254
This is terrible. Please stay safe, everybody in Ukraine.

The cold war is back and the west was never that divided in my lifetime.

On February 24 2022 15:07 TheLordofAwesome wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On February 24 2022 14:31 maybenexttime wrote:
I hope NATO decides to intervene. It's better to stop the madman before it gets really out of hand. At the very least, we should sanction them into oblivion.

Are you kidding me? USA declares war on Russia, the world ends in a nuclear holocaust. Worst case scenario right there, including for everyone in Ukraine

Putin's not a madman. He wants to restore the Russian Empire. He made that very clear in his hourlong history speech a day or two ago.


Russian government just threatened the west with consequences "we have never seen before".
plasmidghost
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgium16168 Posts
February 24 2022 06:11 GMT
#26255
Does this mean military defenses from other nations?

Yugoslavia will always live on in my heart
Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10228 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-02-24 06:12:43
February 24 2022 06:11 GMT
#26256
I don't think anyone will come help Ukraine in any way that tangibly matters on the battlefield.

Would Russia attack unarmed people should Ukraine choose to surrender? I would like to think "No." If that is true, then maybe laying down your arms is the best answer. Obviously, if I'm wrong, then that would be a fatal mistake too. Seems they are pretty fucked either way.

On February 24 2022 15:11 plasmidghost wrote:
Does this mean military defenses from other nations?

https://twitter.com/ZelenskyyUa/status/1496728317969539076

No. Even he is not asking for military assistance.
"The right to vote is only the oar of the slaveship, I wanna be free." -- бум бум сучка!
TheLordofAwesome
Profile Joined May 2014
Korea (South)2655 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-02-24 06:16:10
February 24 2022 06:15 GMT
#26257
On February 24 2022 15:11 plasmidghost wrote:
Does this mean military defenses from other nations?

https://twitter.com/ZelenskyyUa/status/1496728317969539076

Really wouldn't put much store in Zelensky's tweets. US/Europe won't even sanction most Russian oil/gas (maaaybe NordStream2). You think they are going to fight for Ukraine now? After Zelensky has done literally nothing to prepare his own nation for this war, which he was publicly warned was coming for months and repeatedly laughed off? After Putin threatened to nuke anyone who intervened?

At most this tweet means that the US/British arms lift to Ukraine might continue. But even that probably won't.
maybenexttime
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Poland5656 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-02-24 06:16:07
February 24 2022 06:15 GMT
#26258
On February 24 2022 15:07 TheLordofAwesome wrote:
Are you kidding me? USA declares war on Russia, the world ends in a nuclear holocaust. Worst case scenario right there, including for everyone in Ukraine

Then don't declare war. Send peacekeeping troops into Ukraine and beat back any invading forces. Impose air superiority on Ukraine's behalf. If Putin is not a madman, it won't escalate into a nuclear war. If he is, it'll spiral into WW3 eventually. Let's not repeat the same mistake we made before WW2.

Putin's not a madman. He wants to restore the Russian Empire. He made that very clear in his hourlong history speech a day or two ago.

His diatribe was full of historical revisionism and conspiracy theories.
Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10228 Posts
February 24 2022 06:17 GMT
#26259
On February 24 2022 15:15 maybenexttime wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 24 2022 15:07 TheLordofAwesome wrote:
Are you kidding me? USA declares war on Russia, the world ends in a nuclear holocaust. Worst case scenario right there, including for everyone in Ukraine

Then don't declare war. Send peacekeeping troops into Ukraine and beat back any invading forces. Impose air superiority on Ukraine's behalf. If Putin is not a madman, it won't escalate into a nuclear war. If he is, it'll spiral into WW3 eventually. Let's not repeat the same mistake we made before WW2.

Let's not make the mistakes that led to WWI which led to WWII, either.
"The right to vote is only the oar of the slaveship, I wanna be free." -- бум бум сучка!
TheLordofAwesome
Profile Joined May 2014
Korea (South)2655 Posts
February 24 2022 06:20 GMT
#26260
On February 24 2022 15:15 maybenexttime wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 24 2022 15:07 TheLordofAwesome wrote:
Are you kidding me? USA declares war on Russia, the world ends in a nuclear holocaust. Worst case scenario right there, including for everyone in Ukraine

Then don't declare war. Send peacekeeping troops into Ukraine and beat back any invading forces. Impose air superiority on Ukraine's behalf. If Putin is not a madman, it won't escalate into a nuclear war. If he is, it'll spiral into WW3 eventually. Let's not repeat the same mistake we made before WW2.

Show nested quote +
Putin's not a madman. He wants to restore the Russian Empire. He made that very clear in his hourlong history speech a day or two ago.

His diatribe was full of historical revisionism and conspiracy theories.

Oh so if you don't call it war, it isn't one. Putin didn't declare war on Ukraine this morning. He's sending peacekeepers there right now.

How do you impose air superiority on Ukraine's behalf? By killing the Russian Air Force with the US Air Force. Only way to do it. That's war, plain and simple. That war ends with nuclear missiles obliterating human life as we know it.

Putin's speech contained lots of historical revisionism. Doesn't make him insane. Lots of Russian nationalists think the way he does.
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