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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
February 22 2022 15:53 GMT
#26221
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Silvanel
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Poland4742 Posts
February 22 2022 16:01 GMT
#26222
If Germans didn't halt NordStream2 themselves US would do it for them (using the means Trump used) or at least I hope so they would. Afterall it was Biden who lifted Trump sanctions...
Pathetic Greta hater.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-02-22 17:02:15
February 22 2022 16:02 GMT
#26223


edit:
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-02-22 18:36:41
February 22 2022 17:36 GMT
#26224


edit:

"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-02-22 19:39:17
February 22 2022 19:29 GMT
#26225
Biden speaking now.

edit:

"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16324 Posts
February 22 2022 21:12 GMT
#26226
On February 23 2022 00:28 m4ini wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 22 2022 23:42 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
On February 22 2022 20:20 Kreuger wrote:
Looks like Nord Stream 2 is dead atm. Thats one good thing today atleast


I'll believe it when I see sections of it being dismantled. Which we won't.

Addressing lawmakers on Tuesday in the House of Commons, Prime Minister Boris Johnson said the first tranche of sanctions would target Rossiya, IS Bank, General Bank, Promsvyazbank and the Black Sea Bank.

The measures would also sanction three “very high net worth” individuals: Gennady Timchenko, Boris Rotenberg and Igor Rotenberg.

The individuals concerned will see their U.K. assets frozen and be banned from traveling to the country, Johnson said. All U.K. individuals and entities will also be barred from having dealings with them, he added.


Source


Yeah no shit, it would be absolutely retarded to do so. The thing is built. It does make absolutely no difference whether or not it gets dismantled or just not certified, the effect objectively is the same other than some random not being satisfied for some reason. Do you even understand the difference between sanction and punishment?

What would be the point of dismantling it? If Putin rows back tomorrow, which he won't obviously - but lets assume, then there's nothing speaking against opening Nordstream, since we very much have on record that germany is willing to put a knot in it if Putin misbehaves - and isn't blackmailable like experts on reddit, and probably you too, explained.

Any news on the Superbowl?

Show nested quote +
indeed, all we have now is 'halted certification'. Which is just a fancy way of saying 'we will wait for the current public perception to move on and then do it anyway'.


No, what that means is that it's halted until the situation is resolved, one way or another. This isn't the US, or the UK for that matter.

Nordstream might come back, sure. For that, certain requirements need to be fulfilled.

How people genuinely with a straight face argue that Nordstream as a sanction needs to be gone entirely when the entire point of a sanction is that it's reversible in case the situation improves/resolves is absolutely ridiculous.

Yeah, they dismantle Nordstream tomorrow. What now, what incentive has Putin now to make good on things? Not that he would in the first place, not just yet - but it's shocking how stupid some people are here.

Also: lol at the UKs sanctions. All bluster, no balls - much like the US and the rest of europe. Big talk, tiny dicks.


I also fail to see how this is seemingly all germanys fault to some posters here.

As long as Nordstream 2 is actually put on hold what is there to complain about regarding sanctions? Is it germanys fault that Putin wants to create an empire and screws the energy system?
Do people actually believe Ukraine would have a chance against russia if germany sent some weapons? Come on...
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
February 22 2022 21:58 GMT
#26227
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43677 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-02-22 21:59:35
February 22 2022 21:59 GMT
#26228
The combination of a no fly zone and western weapons would give Ukraine a fighting chance. The invasion doesn’t need to go that badly before Putin stops looking like a strongman. It is a move made out of weakness, not strength, much like the Argentine invasion of the Falklands. If it goes well it covers up the issues at home but if it goes badly it highlights them.
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Ikirouta
Profile Blog Joined November 2017
Finland739 Posts
February 22 2022 23:45 GMT
#26229
Ukraine activates its reserves. I'll go buy some grease for my combat boots, just in case.
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-02-23 03:15:17
February 23 2022 02:54 GMT
#26230




User was warned for this post.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
zatic
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Zurich15363 Posts
February 23 2022 06:09 GMT
#26231
Russian intelligence has never been great with timing their reactions to events properly. Recall the reaction to the Chechen terrorist apartment bombing which happened before the bombs went off. And this was the FSB false flag operation which brought Putin to power in the first place. Definitely not a first.
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Geisterkarle
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
Germany3257 Posts
February 23 2022 09:34 GMT
#26232
On February 23 2022 06:58 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
https://twitter.com/NatashaBertrand/status/1496241253066887173

I'm not sure about Lavrov, but wasn't a few days ago that Biden wanted to talk to Putin. And Putin said, he will check his planer, but it looks not that good
> https://www.tagesschau.de/ausland/europa/macron-biden-putin-ukraine-baerbock-103.html
(German)
"Es gibt soweit keine konkreten Pläne dazu"
("There are no concrete plans for this so far".)
So this "no I will not meet with you" is maybe just a backlash.
Also this basically says "we have nothing to talk about" ... and hell they have! I don't like that arrogant move from Blinken!
There can only be one Geisterkarle
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-02-23 15:01:25
February 23 2022 14:57 GMT
#26233
Makes me wonder if the West is still sending armaments and equipment to Ukraine, this is after it was reported the Russian troops could not stay in their positions indefinitely due to the harsh conditions. Source

US. intelligence officials have revealed to Newsweek that President Joe Biden's administration has informed Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy of intelligence assessing that Russia is preparing to conduct a full-scale invasion of the neighboring country within the next 48 hours.

"The President of Ukraine has been warned Russia will highly likely begin an invasion within 48 hours based on U.S. intelligence," the U.S. official with direct knowledge told Newsweek.

"Additionally," the U.S. official added, "reporting from aircraft observers indicates Russia violated Ukrainian airspace earlier today, flying possible reconnaissance aircraft for a short period over Ukraine."

A source close to Zelenskyy's government also confirmed to Newsweek that such a warning was received.

The information was confirmed by a second U.S. intelligence official, who emphasized the comprehensive nature of the military operation the Pentagon anticipated from Russia.

The official told Newsweek that the invasion will include not only a push from the pro-Moscow rebel-held Donbas region in the east, where additional Russian units were sent Monday as peacekeepers, but also a major thrust toward the capital Kyiv from the northern border with Belarus, where Russian troops recently extended joint exercises with their ally.

The second U.S. official said that the operation would likely occur at nighttime and include be preempted by cyber attacks, but both officials maintained that Russia's plans could change based on daily developments.

Shortly after Newsweek was made aware of these U.S. assessments, the websites for Ukraine's Defense Ministry, Foreign Ministry and other institutions abruptly went offline in what signaled a potential sweeping cyber attack, which would add to a series of apparent cyber assaults that the White House has publicly blamed on Moscow.


Source
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-02-24 00:57:56
February 24 2022 00:53 GMT
#26234
Russia has closed the Airspace along the border of Ukraine. While Finland has stated it is ready to apply for NATO membership if brought up.




edit: And there it is Zelensky has stated that Putin has ordered the invasion of Ukraine.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Dav1oN
Profile Joined January 2012
Ukraine3164 Posts
February 24 2022 01:01 GMT
#26235
Great, one more night of insomnia. Let's hope me and my citizens won't have to go to the nearest local military station during the night to get a weapon/equipment in order to defend our families/land

Airports in Dnipro, Zaporizhzhia and Kharkiv are closed at least till the morning. Hoping this is another overreaction, otherwise don't even want to imagine -.-
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
February 24 2022 01:15 GMT
#26236
Emergency UN meeting scheduled for 2130 ET.

UNITED NATIONS — The U.N. Security Council has scheduled an emergency meeting Wednesday night at the request of Ukraine, which says there is an immediate threat of a Russian invasion.


Source
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Just_a_Moth
Profile Joined March 2012
Canada1964 Posts
February 24 2022 02:11 GMT
#26237
On February 24 2022 10:01 Dav1oN wrote:
Great, one more night of insomnia. Let's hope me and my citizens won't have to go to the nearest local military station during the night to get a weapon/equipment in order to defend our families/land

Airports in Dnipro, Zaporizhzhia and Kharkiv are closed at least till the morning. Hoping this is another overreaction, otherwise don't even want to imagine -.-

I know it doesn't mean anything, but I am hoping for you guys too, that you don't have to fight.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-02-24 02:28:01
February 24 2022 02:24 GMT
#26238
According to this reporter, fighting has broken out. Invasion underway.



edit: ????

"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-02-24 03:12:39
February 24 2022 02:52 GMT
#26239
Confirmation.



Edit: Kramatorsk is being bombed.

Edit#2: Now Kyiv is being bombed.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15742 Posts
February 24 2022 04:40 GMT
#26240
Can’t believe they’re actually going for the whole thing and the world is pretending it isn’t happening. This is an incredibly dangerous precedent. The world is so used to peace that our leaders assume it’s always an option. Sad world.
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