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Silvanel
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Poland4725 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-09-20 14:59:49
September 20 2019 14:51 GMT
#25121
250kg, 500kg even 1tone bomb yeah. Or artillery ordnance. But this is 5,5tone bomb it is not normal by any standard. Thats why we can say when exactly was it droped and what was the target.
Pathetic Greta hater.
Dav1oN
Profile Joined January 2012
Ukraine3164 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-09-20 22:56:05
September 20 2019 20:36 GMT
#25122
On September 20 2019 17:07 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
Somehow i missed this from a couple of weeks back but Erdogan said it's unacceptable that Turkey cannot have nuclear weapons.An insane dictator right on Europes doorstep with nukes is just what we all need.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-turkey-nuclear-erdogan/erdogan-says-its-unacceptable-that-turkey-cant-have-nuclear-weapons-idUSKCN1VP2QN
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ANKARA (Reuters) - Turkish President Tayyip Erdogan said on Wednesday it was unacceptable for nuclear-armed states to forbid Ankara from obtaining its own nuclear weapons, but did not say whether Turkey had plans to obtain them.

“Some countries have missiles with nuclear warheads, not one or two. But (they tell us) we can’t have them. This, I cannot accept,” he told his ruling AK Party members in the eastern city of Sivas.


Well, that is a signature move of the worst dictators imo. I wonder if some of them understands how expensive and dangerous this could be, and what the consequences are.

On the other hand Australia is far away from dictators. You guys are lucky living on a remote island at this point :D
In memory of Geoff "iNcontroL" Robinson 11.09.1985 - 21.07.2019 A tribute to incredible man, embodiment of joy, esports titan, starcraft community pillar all in one. You will always be remembered!
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21634 Posts
September 20 2019 20:53 GMT
#25123
On September 21 2019 05:36 Dav1oN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2019 17:07 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
Somehow i missed this from a couple of weeks back but Erdogan said it's unacceptable that Turkey cannot have nuclear weapons.An insane dictator right on Europes doorstep with nukes is just what we all need.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-turkey-nuclear-erdogan/erdogan-says-its-unacceptable-that-turkey-cant-have-nuclear-weapons-idUSKCN1VP2QN

ANKARA (Reuters) - Turkish President Tayyip Erdogan said on Wednesday it was unacceptable for nuclear-armed states to forbid Ankara from obtaining its own nuclear weapons, but did not say whether Turkey had plans to obtain them.

“Some countries have missiles with nuclear warheads, not one or two. But (they tell us) we can’t have them. This, I cannot accept,” he told his ruling AK Party members in the eastern city of Sivas.


Well, that is a signature move of the worst dictators imo. I wonder if some of them understands how expensive and dangerous this could, and what the consequences are.

On the other hand Australia is far away from dictators. You guys are lucky living on a remote island at this point :D
A nuke is the only way to ensure no direct foreign intervention will happen. Which is why all the dictators that fear being removed want one.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Sent.
Profile Joined June 2012
Poland9177 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-09-20 21:05:49
September 20 2019 21:05 GMT
#25124
It's also a status symbol. Showing the world you have nuclear weapons is like showing the world your nation is strong, which is what dictators relying on nationalist sentiments like to do. I doubt Erdogan is afraid of a direct foreign intervention, Turkey is not North Korea or Iran.
You're now breathing manually
Big J
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria16289 Posts
September 29 2019 20:42 GMT
#25125
Austrian parliamental election result:
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The 5 parties making it into parliament and their leader:
ÖVP - conservatives, Sebastian Kurz
SPÖ - social-democrats, Joy Pamela Rendi-Wagner
FPÖ - nationalists, Norbert Hofer
GRÜNE - greens, Werner Kogler
NEOS - liberals, Beate Meinl-Reisinger


FPÖ lost a little more than expected, ÖVP/Greens slightly overperformed, but pretty much the expected results.
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18387 Posts
September 29 2019 20:45 GMT
#25126
Kurz got way more than he wanted: 37%, no more Peter Pilz in the parliament
Big J
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria16289 Posts
September 29 2019 20:52 GMT
#25127
On September 30 2019 05:45 sharkie wrote:
Kurz got way more than he wanted: 37%, no more Peter Pilz in the parliament


I don't care what he wanted, the polls said 32.2-35.8% and 30.9-37.1 in the last 2 weeks. It seems to be 37.1%.
Sent.
Profile Joined June 2012
Poland9177 Posts
September 29 2019 21:05 GMT
#25128
I'm honestly surprised FPÖ managed to get that many votes after that Russian scandal.
You're now breathing manually
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11483 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-09-29 21:18:41
September 29 2019 21:17 GMT
#25129
That's the power of creating your own alternative media, and just calling everything that disagrees with you "Lügenpresse", "Lying news" (A nice term from Nazi times, btw). If you get people into that bubble, it is really hard for them to leave again. Which is why authoritarians like doing that so much.
Big J
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria16289 Posts
September 29 2019 21:28 GMT
#25130
On September 30 2019 06:05 Sent. wrote:
I'm honestly surprised FPÖ managed to get that many votes after that Russian scandal.


They polled even higher (20%) but were hit with another scandal about their former chairman Strache last week.
In general the Ibiza scandal was hardly a motive in this election according to polling. ÖVP gained some voters from the FPÖ, Greens from the SPÖ. Greens/SPÖ are very dissatisfied with the last Kurz government, ÖVP/FPÖ are very satisfied.
The ÖVP-FPÖ coalition lost 4% of voters in total, mostly people who used to vote FPÖ but didn't vote at all this time.
Dav1oN
Profile Joined January 2012
Ukraine3164 Posts
September 30 2019 12:32 GMT
#25131
On September 30 2019 06:17 Simberto wrote:
That's the power of creating your own alternative media, and just calling everything that disagrees with you "Lügenpresse", "Lying news" (A nice term from Nazi times, btw). If you get people into that bubble, it is really hard for them to leave again. Which is why authoritarians like doing that so much.


I was able to see these "alternative media" show/topics on one of German channel stating about genocide of russian speaking people in eastern Ukraine. Which isn't even close to reality O.o I also member Sarah Wagengkhen (or something like that) spreading the same bshit.

We're living in a weird period where people gonna claim anything just to gain a personal profit (influence, financial etc).

That is a common problem, the same goes with media in the US, Russia, here in Ukraine to some degree. Opinion manipulation is a very dangerous threat...
In memory of Geoff "iNcontroL" Robinson 11.09.1985 - 21.07.2019 A tribute to incredible man, embodiment of joy, esports titan, starcraft community pillar all in one. You will always be remembered!
Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
September 30 2019 13:05 GMT
#25132
Makes me glad that people still watch and read the BBC for news in the UK. Though sometimes the impartiality rules seem a bit stringent at times, which lend legitmacy to circumstances that shouldn't have any legitimacy. More recently a complaint was upheld for a journalist implying that Trump said something racist. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-49825570
Artisreal
Profile Joined June 2009
Germany9235 Posts
September 30 2019 13:37 GMT
#25133
To be fair there's a mild storm brewing because of this incident, against the complaints body of the BBC.
Rightly so if the guardians reporting about the original content of the complaint is even close to correct.
passive quaranstream fan
Dav1oN
Profile Joined January 2012
Ukraine3164 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-09-30 21:48:34
September 30 2019 21:48 GMT
#25134
On September 30 2019 22:05 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
Makes me glad that people still watch and read the BBC for news in the UK. Though sometimes the impartiality rules seem a bit stringent at times, which lend legitmacy to circumstances that shouldn't have any legitimacy. More recently a complaint was upheld for a journalist implying that Trump said something racist. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-49825570


BBC Nature related channels are incredible, only thanks to Sir David Attenborough, if the rest of BBC channels are half as good as Nature one...that would be great for all viewers
In memory of Geoff "iNcontroL" Robinson 11.09.1985 - 21.07.2019 A tribute to incredible man, embodiment of joy, esports titan, starcraft community pillar all in one. You will always be remembered!
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21965 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-10-10 19:04:58
October 10 2019 11:09 GMT
#25135
You can just look at what happened to Greek bond yield.

Rest edited out cause the implications are terrifying and I like to keep my fear to myself.
Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10685 Posts
October 10 2019 11:47 GMT
#25136
Seeing as it was the Banks that got saved by the bailouts for Greece in the first place, i don't see what exactly the issue is?
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18824 Posts
October 10 2019 11:52 GMT
#25137
Holding the debt of another country at negative returns is not the same thing as bailing someone out on credit and then paying the bail.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
Sent.
Profile Joined June 2012
Poland9177 Posts
October 13 2019 19:27 GMT
#25138
First exit polls from Poland:

PiS: 43.6% (239 out of 460 seats)
KO: 27.4% (130 out of 460 seats) - everything between center right liberals and greens
Lewica: 11.9% (43 out of 460 seats) - the left
Konfederacja 6,4% (13 out of 460 seats) - far right
German minority - 1 seat
You're now breathing manually
Silvanel
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Poland4725 Posts
October 13 2019 19:44 GMT
#25139
Konfederacja in parliment is a fucking shame.
Pathetic Greta hater.
Yurie
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
11803 Posts
October 13 2019 20:25 GMT
#25140
On October 14 2019 04:44 Silvanel wrote:
Konfederacja in parliment is a fucking shame.


Guess you are lucky that PiS has its own majority.
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