EPTOr to quote Schumpeter: The March into Socialism. The conservative states and ever-growing firms are investing more and more money in preventing change, thus the capitalist system is transforming itself slowly into a centrally planned socialist regime. Just look at the increase in taxes overall and how they have been shifted more and more on the general public to prevent progressive creative destruction processes.
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
Or to quote Schumpeter: The March into Socialism. The conservative states and ever-growing firms are investing more and more money in preventing change, thus the capitalist system is transforming itself slowly into a centrally planned socialist regime. Just look at the increase in taxes overall and how they have been shifted more and more on the general public to prevent progressive creative destruction processes. | ||
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xM(Z
Romania5299 Posts
i'm really curious what mods think of echo-chambers. it looks to be the preferred method to keep things in check here. make a bubble of same-minded individuals then enjoy leisure time during modding. it's useless and pointless; just close /general if it's such a strain on humans resources 'cause the shit going on here is fucked up. | ||
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom10018 Posts
On July 13 2018 20:20 xM(Z wrote: whoa dudes, take a step back and look at the circle jerk going on here for the last two pages or so; one stroke after the other then round it goes again 'til completion. i'm really curious what mods think of echo-chambers. it looks to be the preferred method to keep things in check here. make a bubble of same-minded individuals then enjoy leisure time during modding. it's useless and pointless; just close /general if it's such a strain on humans resources 'cause the shit going on here is fucked up. Dude. It was your decision to sign up for a marxist forum. If you didn't want to come here and talk about seizing the means of production why did you even come here at all? | ||
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SoSexy
Italy3725 Posts
If a populist government were to cure cancer, they would probably say something like 'it's mostly propaganda and it is causing problem because many doctors are now jobless'. Fortunately, all they can do is repeat the same things in the hope that they grow louder - but the majority of people are tired of this shit, governments change and they can't wrap their head around this fact. Quite a funny spectacle! | ||
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Sent.
Poland9332 Posts
On July 13 2018 20:30 Jockmcplop wrote: Dude. It was your decision to sign up for a marxist forum. If you didn't want to come here and talk about seizing the means of production why did you even come here at all? It wasn't a marxist forum when young and innocent Kickboxer joined it. E-marxists seized his means of funposting. | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom10018 Posts
On July 13 2018 20:34 SoSexy wrote: It has always been like that. If you state something different from the majority of this forum, they immediately jump on you as high school bullies. There are people who believe that they have the key to understanding the universe, that every other person is wrong because they can't see the sacred truth that they hold. If a populist government were to cure cancer, they would probably say something like 'it's mostly propaganda and it is causing problem because many doctors are now jobless'. Fortunately, all they can do is repeat the same things in the hope that they grow louder - but the majority of people are tired of this shit, governments change and they can't wrap their head around this fact. Quite a funny spectacle! It must be confusing for you trying to act the victim while simultaneously gloating at everyone about how powerful the right is becoming. | ||
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SoSexy
Italy3725 Posts
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
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iamthedave
England2814 Posts
On July 13 2018 20:34 SoSexy wrote: It has always been like that. If you state something different from the majority of this forum, they immediately jump on you as high school bullies. There are people who believe that they have the key to understanding the universe, that every other person is wrong because they can't see the sacred truth that they hold. If a populist government were to cure cancer, they would probably say something like 'it's mostly propaganda and it is causing problem because many doctors are now jobless'. Fortunately, all they can do is repeat the same things in the hope that they grow louder - but the majority of people are tired of this shit, governments change and they can't wrap their head around this fact. Quite a funny spectacle! No, that doesn't happen. It's more if you say something stupid and refuse to back down when presented with ample evidence of your wrongness. Unfortunately, many people choose to scream and cry oppression rather than look at the evidence of their wrongness and consider 'hmm, perhaps all of this evidence means my opinion might be factually inaccurate'. And if you're the sort of poster who backs the mass death of people with different skin colours or ethnicities, then yes, you're going to get dogpiled. That's called being an arsehole. | ||
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xM(Z
Romania5299 Posts
On July 13 2018 20:46 Jockmcplop wrote: is there in your brain a part that doesn't see that as an act of a gloating victim?.It must be confusing for you trying to act the victim while simultaneously gloating at everyone about how powerful the right is becoming. stuff like <but then what else could it be?> type of thing; just curious if you thought of it(the act) or recognized it before hand based on your vast online experience or something. | ||
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SoSexy
Italy3725 Posts
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SoSexy
Italy3725 Posts
On July 13 2018 21:01 iamthedave wrote: No, that doesn't happen. It's more if you say something stupid and refuse to back down when presented with ample evidence of your wrongness. Unfortunately, many people choose to scream and cry oppression rather than look at the evidence of their wrongness and consider 'hmm, perhaps all of this evidence means my opinion might be factually inaccurate'. And if you're the sort of poster who backs the mass death of people with different skin colours or ethnicities, then yes, you're going to get dogpiled. That's called being an arsehole. You are going too far there. I never said that. But I can make an exception for people that like to accuse others of things they never said. | ||
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom10018 Posts
I'm not going to sit here and trade insults. I would say that if you're going to complain about the bullies on this site, then maybe its worth a try treating people with just a tiny bit of decency instead of all out balls to the wall insults all the time. Just to see if you feel less bullied in response like | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
On July 13 2018 21:04 SoSexy wrote: Your post is really stupid, mouse. First, your post-modern definition makes no sense because it could be applied to everything. Except that in everyday language, we mutually understand some concepts. Otherwise dictionaries wouldn't exist. Since things like 'definitions' exist, we have a sufficiently well-defined idea of right and left, enough to have a discussion but not enough to avoid edgy kids like you trying to sound smart. Second, I didn't want it to rhyme. WHere on earth did you take that idea? No really. What does left mean to you? In what context? Italian, British, European, American? What does right mean to you? Is trump on the right? The US thread thinks he is, but he is applying economic left 1930s European ideology to trade. So what does right and left mean? It means totally different things to me and you and nearly everyone else in the thread and the wider world, such a useless term they both are that you are only capable to use it as a general perjorative and as an empty rallying cry. Instead of describing the policies and politics you disfavour and favour you say left and right, instead of being able to express what you truly mean, you say you are on the left andright, sometimes at the same time, whilst also deploring the left and right at the same time! So yes, for you, left and right is entirely meaningless, as your personal definitons don't match the left and right of anything in particular. Are we supposed to just bend to your defnitions instead of ours? So sosexy, when you say that xyz government are propagating propaganda, why don't you write what you really mean? When you write that you state soemthign different, what is it that is different? When you state that populist government (what does this even mean?) are victims or media, state some examples. When you write that you dislike the left/right, why don't you write what are the policies you disfavour? You don't and you cannot, and instead you come up with left/right, and that's why they are meaningless. They are meaningless precisely because you are arguing with people before setting out what is meant by left/right with everyone in the world who have culturally different left/right. | ||
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
On July 13 2018 20:20 xM(Z wrote: whoa dudes, take a step back and look at the circle jerk going on here for the last two pages or so; one stroke after the other then round it goes again 'til completion. i'm really curious what mods think of echo-chambers. it looks to be the preferred method to keep things in check here. make a bubble of same-minded individuals then enjoy leisure time during modding. it's useless and pointless; just close /general if it's such a strain on humans resources 'cause the shit going on here is fucked up. if you want to know what the mods think you should go to website feedback and ask there. or pm them directly. maybe others find plenty of use in a discussion without the more problematic individuals. maybe it's not making an echo chamber, but just getting rid of the crazies. there's still a pretty large variety of viewpoints remaining. I don't see a circle jerk, unless you're using that term so broadly that it would apply to a lot of thing sin general (and would undoubtedly then also apply to many discussions you have with like-minded people). | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
On July 13 2018 20:34 SoSexy wrote: It has always been like that. If you state something different from the majority of this forum, they immediately jump on you as high school bullies. There are people who believe that they have the key to understanding the universe, that every other person is wrong because they can't see the sacred truth that they hold. If a populist government were to cure cancer, they would probably say something like 'it's mostly propaganda and it is causing problem because many doctors are now jobless'. Fortunately, all they can do is repeat the same things in the hope that they grow louder - but the majority of people are tired of this shit, governments change and they can't wrap their head around this fact. Quite a funny spectacle! kickboxer was like that. thinking he had the sacred truth. you are too. most people are in general. calling people high school bullies like that is an ad hominem; it's a way to dismiss their arguments without having to actually address their points. it lets you feel like you're a victim and the aggrieved party rather than admitting you just didn't know what you were on about. The key to understanding the universe is known btw, roughly speaking: science, empiricism, rigorous analysis. ofc it's not a "sacred" truth, it's a self-evident one, which demonstrates its value. a populist government is very unlikely to cure cancer. populist governments by their nature tend to collapse fairly quickly and cause some damage on the way, and not be focused on thoughtful policy. so long term research projects wouldn't be likely under them. and if it did cure cancer, that'd be great; but there'd also be the question: did it happen due to the government, or did it just happen independently while they happened to be the ones in charge? | ||
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SoSexy
Italy3725 Posts
On July 13 2018 21:13 Jockmcplop wrote: Meh. I'm not going to sit here and trade insults. I would say that if you're going to complain about the bullies on this site, then maybe its worth a try treating people with just a tiny bit of decency instead of all out balls to the wall insults all the time. Just to see if you feel less bullied in response like The general feeling of this forum is well-summarized by a thread that I was trying to find from many years ago. Is there a way to search all posts made by one user? I only see my last 50, if I can find it I'll share it with you and honestly, it is hard to ignore that toxicity. | ||
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SoSexy
Italy3725 Posts
On July 13 2018 21:27 zlefin wrote: kickboxer was like that. thinking he had the sacred truth. you are too. most people are in general. calling people high school bullies like that is an ad hominem; it's a way to dismiss their arguments without having to actually address their points. it lets you feel like you're a victim and the aggrieved party rather than admitting you just didn't know what you were on about. The key to understanding the universe is known btw, roughly speaking: science, empiricism, rigorous analysis. ofc it's not a "sacred" truth, it's a self-evident one, which demonstrates its value. a populist government is very unlikely to cure cancer. populist governments by their nature tend to collapse fairly quickly and cause some damage on the way, and not be focused on thoughtful policy. so long term research projects wouldn't be likely under them. and if it did cure cancer, that'd be great; but there'd also be the question: did it happen due to the government, or did it just happen independently while they happened to be the ones in charge? This is the forum that predicted a 'thermonuclear war in 6 months if Trump gets elected'... | ||
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