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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
On December 21 2017 18:22 maybenexttime wrote: Did his boss also attack him physically? Counterquestion: Did the train officers worker-rights make an exception for being physically attacked? If not, maybe next time vote in favor of workers rights and a proper distribution of power instead of running to daddy government to overrule contractual rights of the employer when it pleases your agenda. | ||
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Sent.
Poland9193 Posts
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
On December 21 2017 18:47 Sent. wrote: We know he was fired, we don't know if his employer had the right to fire him like that. True, but then the issue simply becomes a question of making the legal system work for everyone, regardless of money or social position.  And that may be the case anyways, which would make it a rather apolitical topic. | ||
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sharkie
Austria18402 Posts
You dont see a problem when you get fired for being attacked? | ||
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TheDwf
France19747 Posts
On December 21 2017 19:10 sharkie wrote: You dont see a problem when you get fired for being attacked? I don't see any problem with punishing racial slurs, but in fact I am not for firing workers like that | ||
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Dapper_Cad
United Kingdom964 Posts
On December 21 2017 19:45 TheDwf wrote: I don't see any problem with punishing racial slurs, but in fact I am not for firing workers like that Personally I'm for scouring every newspaper in Europe for examples that confirm my theory that people with dark skin are "culturally" inferior and that this fact is obscured by a bleeding heart liberal elite as the thin end of the wedge for an ideology of white replacement backed by a Jewish conspiracy while ignoring that the world is burning. To each their own I guess. | ||
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Simberto
Germany11507 Posts
On December 21 2017 20:32 Dapper_Cad wrote: Personally I'm for scouring every newspaper in Europe for examples that confirm my theory that people with dark skin are "culturally" inferior and that this fact is obscured by a bleeding heart liberal elite as the thin end of the wedge for an ideology of white replacement backed by a Jewish conspiracy while ignoring that the world is burning. To each their own I guess. I assume that is sarcasm? It is hard to tell on the internet, as there are people who actually hold that position. | ||
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TheDwf
France19747 Posts
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Gorsameth
Netherlands21668 Posts
On December 21 2017 20:53 TheDwf wrote: What does "scouring" mean here? thoroughly search. subject (a place, text, etc.) to a thorough search in order to locate something. "David scoured each newspaper for an article on the murder" | ||
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SoSexy
Italy3725 Posts
Because your eyes are closed. This shit is disgusting, exactly like you are. One is doing a shit job, is attacked and robbed and all prosecution cares about is that during those moments he got mad and shouted an insult. He's a stupid ass for not keeping his composure under an assault and robbery! NExt time he shall shout, but politely and without using certain words. Do you see how wrong this is? At the end of the day we have a hard-working, honest guy who got fired because he got assaulted and a violent thief who is laughing at the justice system. Have you ever been attacked or robbed? Do you know what it feels like?? People like you should be restricted from voting because they are clearly detached from reality. But don't worry, one day it's gonna be payback for all the people you fucked over with this mindset. | ||
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
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TheDwf
France19747 Posts
On December 21 2017 21:02 SoSexy wrote: Because your eyes are closed. This shit is disgusting, exactly like you are. One is doing a shit job, is attacked and robbed and all prosecution cares about is that during those moments he got mad and shouted an insult. He's a stupid ass for not keeping his composure under an assault and robbery! NExt time he shall shout, but politely and without using certain words. Have you ever been attacked or robbed? Do you know what it feels like? People like you should be restricted from voting because they are clearly detached from reality. I see that my little provocation worked, I was sure that you would get mad. As a matter of fact, right-wing authoritarians persons like you are a much bigger threat to democracy than people like me, as you would accept any dangerous demagogue to bring “law and order” in your country; while people like me know better than picking anecdotes with perception bias to prove that strangers/people of color/Muslims/whatever are dooming our societies. Being attacked sucks and I am sure that everyone condemns the aggression, but if the fight involved a white native the officer would never insult him of “filthy white” or “shit Italian” despite being in the same state of anger. Ask yourself why “shit nigger” came to his lips. But of course you don't care since you think that racist reactions are justified (and not just in this heated situation). My eyes are not closed, as I understand far better than you how our stupid societies organize shortage, then make little people pit against each other for some crumbs at the bottom. If you were more rational and able to cast aside for a minute your hilariously wrong “justice protects strangers and delinquents against honest natives” narrative, you would ask yourself why free public transportations lowers the number of that kind of aggressions. You could also see that the kind of left to which I belong defends better work conditions for workers like your train officer, along with a rise of their wages; while “law and order” candidates are the ones who cut jobs and freeze wages. The irony is that what you deem as my “lax approach” would have saved your train officer if I was in charge of his case, as I don't believe in the punitive approach and thus I would not have fired him. | ||
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[DUF]MethodMan
Germany1716 Posts
On December 21 2017 22:09 TheDwf wrote: I see that my little provocation worked, I was sure that you would get mad. As a matter of fact, right-wing authoritarians persons like you are a much bigger threat to democracy than people like me, as you would accept any dangerous demagogue to bring “law and order” in your country; while people like me know better than picking anecdotes with perception bias to prove that strangers/people of color/Muslims/whatever are dooming our societies. Being attacked sucks and I am sure that everyone condemns the aggression, but if the fight involved a white native the officer would never insult him of “filthy white” or “shit Italian” despite being in the same state of anger. Ask yourself why “shit nigger” came to his lips. But of course you don't care since you think that racist reactions are justified (and not just in this heated situation). My eyes are not closed, as I understand far better than you how our stupid societies organize shortage, then make little people pit against each other for some crumbs at the bottom. If you were more rational and able to cast aside for a minute your hilariously wrong “justice protects strangers and delinquents against honest natives” narrative, you would ask yourself why free public transportations lowers the number of that kind of aggressions. You could also see that the kind of left to which I belong defends better work conditions for workers like your train officer, along with a rise of their wages; while “law and order” candidates are the ones who cut jobs and freeze wages. The irony is that what you deem as my “lax approach” would have saved your train officer if I was in charge of his case, as I don't believe in the punitive approach and thus I would not have fired him. You're arguing out of utopia, while the case happened in the real world. Public transport has to be paid for, thus there is a need for officers who check tickets. Why "shit nigger" came to his lips? Because it's the worst possible insult he could think of, not because he thought him to be inferior in some way. If I call you a frog eating, unclean, backstabbing baguette, do I really think you are one of these things or do I want to insult you? Get fucking real. | ||
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Artisreal
Germany9235 Posts
On December 21 2017 23:01 [DUF]MethodMan wrote: You're arguing out of utopia, while the case happened in the real world. Public transport has to be paid for, thus there is a need for officers who check tickets. Why "shit nigger" came to his lips? Because it's the worst possible insult he could think of, not because he thought him to be inferior in some way. If I call you a frog eating, unclean, backstabbing baguette, do I really think you are one of these things or do I want to insult you? Get fucking real. Why do I insult people again? With clearly racial slurs? Oh yes, because I appreciate the human in front of me, totally forgot. Thanks for reminding me. | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10700 Posts
But its hilarious as usual when the right wing is suddenly ok with breaking laws or company doctrine just because it hurts one of the supposedly surpressed white guys. I also hope the other guy was charged. Btw: You insult people to hurt them, so using the most loaded word doesn't necessarily make you a racist. You just acted racist in that moment. | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
Anyhow, reading the article the employee wasn't fired for being attacked he got fired for inappropriate behaviour. For all we know he could be fired because he was biting the man or company policy was to not try to recover the items violently. Or perhaps the employee was using the words excessively as opposed to singlely in the moment. I agree that if it was shouted in the middle of the fight once, he should not had been fired, but we simply don't have all the facts. Why would a train company decide to fire the employee, unless they either got a public complaint, or they were looking for a reason to fire him internally anyways, or the events as narrated don't match to the event? It's just extra work for HR. We don't have the information, and in any case I don't see how this is related to politics at all, but apparently for sosexy, the politics thread is just an excuse for an opportunity to stir up racial resentment. | ||
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Longshank
1648 Posts
On December 21 2017 23:41 Dangermousecatdog wrote: Google translate of the article says On 24 January 2018, Moussa Diatta , 23, resident in Brescia, will be tried by the gup of the court of Brescia for robbery. So the other guy will probably be charged. Anyhow, reading the article the employee wasn't fired for being attacked he got fired for inappropriate behaviour. For all we know he could be fired because he was biting the man or company policy was to not try to recover the items violently. Or perhaps the employee was using the words excessively as opposed to singlely in the moment. I agree that if it was shouted in the middle of the fight once, he should not had been fired, but we simply don't have all the facts. Why would a train company decide to fire the employee, unless they either got a public complaint, or they were looking for a reason to fire him internally anyways, or the events as narrated don't match to the event? It's just extra work for HR. We don't have the information, and in any case I don't see how this is related to politics at all, but apparently for sosexy, the politics thread is just an excuse for an opportunity to stir up racial resentment. I was waiting for this post. People are getting upset based on Sosexy's totally unbiased story. None of us have enough information to say whether it was right or wrong to fire him. | ||
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SoSexy
Italy3725 Posts
On December 21 2017 23:18 Velr wrote: Btw: You insult people to hurt them, so using the most loaded word doesn't necessarily make you a racist. You just acted racist in that moment. The only one who got this. You need to seriously stop seeing racism everywhere - you insult to insult.I would like to see the same situation with a gay person as the attacker and the train officer saying 'vaffanculo' (which is the italian version of 'fuck you' but meaning more like 'go take it in the ass'). What a terrible homophobe! Anyways, this mentally ill policy is making the parties supporting it losing so many votes that it will be its own undoing. Now, to respond to the guy still living in 1848 aka TheDwf. I understand you like Marx and I understand you have a boner when you talk about historical materialism but the world is not the same. You are still applying categories that do not exist anymore. Marx's analysis is on point on many things, but you treat it like it was the Holy Word of God. It is not. Even Frankfurt School realized this, yet everytime you go with the same charade. According to you,with free public transportation this problem would be resolved. So your solution to people not buying the tickets is remove tickets - is this your plan concerning fiscal evasion too? It's incredible that you can't see how, even if we adopt free public transportation, there will be tensions because economy is not the magic wand that explains everything about human society. According to this deranged reasoning, 'high powers' pin poor people one against each other. I hate corporations but you have to understand that certain topics go above that. If my Afghan neighbour infibulates his daughter, you can talk shit about high powers but it's not the issue there. No free ticket will solve that issue. What is next in your agenda? Adopt universal income and terrorism will stop? Here's the video of the aggression, which happened in September. Can't find it on youtube but this is a legit italian newspaper: http://video.corriere.it/chiede-biglietto-controllore-aggredito-rapinato-arrestato-senegalese/4945beae-a359-11e7-a066-220c02125bda Poor guy...you can see how that word really troubled him and made him sad. Passengers shitting their pants is pathetic but if they attack him they are going to jail. I hope I never see something like this because I would not be able to ignore it. Fuck that pig. (Did I offend pig lovers?) | ||
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Nyxisto
Germany6287 Posts
On December 21 2017 23:18 Velr wrote: I wouldn't have fired him for it. A stupid slurr in a very heated moment. If he wasn't acting racist before i would let it go. We don't fire people for (silent) controversial beliefs last I checked. Well if it was silent we by definition wouldn't talk about it. If it was a private belief we wouldn't be talking about it either. We've never fired someone for being a racist, because we don't have any technology to detect anybody's internal racism. We do however fire people for throwing racially charged slurs around, because speaking out in public is, although some people seem to confuse it, not the same as privately thinking something. Sure, it's a somewhat heated situation, but we expect grown adults to have the mental faculties to control what they say or do. It's really not that difficult There is absolutely no contradiction here. Assaulting someone on a train is a crime and ought to be punished, and throwing the n-word around is too, so we ought to punish that as well. | ||
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TheDwf
France19747 Posts
On December 22 2017 03:52 SoSexy wrote: Even Frankfurt School realized this, yet everytime you go with the same charade. According to you,with free public transportation this problem would be resolved. So your solution to people not buying the tickets is remove tickets - is this your plan concerning fiscal evasion too? It's incredible that you can't see how, even if we adopt free public transportation, there will be tensions because economy is not the magic wand that explains everything about human society. According to this deranged reasoning, 'high powers' pin poor people one against each other. I hate corporations but you have to understand that certain topics go above that. If my Afghan neighbour infibulates his daughter, you can talk shit about high powers but it's not the issue there. No free ticket will solve that issue. What is next in your agenda? Adopt universal income and terrorism will stop? Nah, free tickets should solve terrorism too, they're really versatile | ||
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