On May 27 2014 11:28 OuchyDathurts wrote: There's a difference between self improvement and playing a fake character. If you're being a fake to score pussy you should indeed be shamed.
"Playing a fake character".
Everytime you go to a gym and you say "Oh boy, there is no way I can lift that much." but your coach tell you that "Yes you can!" and keeps pushing you to do it even though you still think that you personally can't do it that someone else can. But he encourage you to have the same mindset as those guys better than ya.
You have to fake a character to get our of your current comfort zone in order to gain the confidence for self-improvement.
I feel like there's a difference between pushing yourself to an eventual goal and tricking a girl into thinking that you're different than you are so that she'll sleep with you.
Its not exactly tricking a girl into thinking that you are different. Girls are EXTREMELY apt at body languages due to biological evolution. In the first couple of minutes of talking to a guy, they can tell whether or not someone is being completely genuine or just faking it. So they can end it anytime they want if they feel being tricked.
For the guys that are faking it so well, you won't be able to tell because he have practiced it a lot but after that much time to faking a certain character that it is completely real, the person is not faking it anymore, he improve himself to the level of actually becoming that attractive guy.
Scenerio one: Saturday morning, a couple get up in the morning. Girl ask the men about what's the plan for the day. Guy says: "I don't know, haven't really thought about it."
Scenerio two: Same day, same thing asked by the girl. The guy answers with confidence "Oh, let's go to that new Italian restaurent place that opened up last week and then later we can catch that new movie about Jesus Christ."
Which scenerio do you think the girl will be attracted to?
The first scenerio is the average answer from an average men. The 2nd answer is clearly given by a men of sophiscated tastes, social awareness and have an interesting life.
The girl would obviously be more captivated by the 2nd one.
There are communities out there to improve men's lifestyle in such ways and they aren't "confused" as you make them sound to be. And no one should shame someone to learn the method of improvement.
What the hell does this have to do with anything?
This guy is disturbed so any other thing is extraneous and arguably irrelevant.
This isn't about his inability to attract women or whatever. This is much deeper issue of his psyche. Girls not being attracted to him is because he's nuts and on top of that he is sounds and acts gay his non verbal communication is strange. nuts being the things I named before, narcissist, totally warped view of reality (appearance being most important thing), etc. etc. I mean just watch this video.
I'm saying that to prevent further incidence of a guy's inability to attract girls to lash out, encourage them to learn about material in order to help them get girls is part of the solution.
Scenerio one: Saturday morning, a couple get up in the morning. Girl ask the men about what's the plan for the day. Guy says: "I don't know, haven't really thought about it."
Scenerio two: Same day, same thing asked by the girl. The guy answers with confidence "Oh, let's go to that new Italian restaurent place that opened up last week and then later we can catch that new movie about Jesus Christ."
Which scenerio do you think the girl will be attracted to?
The first scenerio is the average answer from an average men. The 2nd answer is clearly given by a men of sophiscated tastes, social awareness and have an interesting life.
The girl would obviously be more captivated by the 2nd one.
There are communities out there to improve men's lifestyle in such ways and they aren't "confused" as you make them sound to be. And no one should shame someone to learn the method of improvement.
This isn't about his inability to attract women or whatever. This is much deeper issue of his psyche. Girls not being attracted to him is because he's nuts and on top of that he is sounds and acts gay, his non verbal communication is strange, he uses a lot of the same words over and over to sound important or aloof. nuts being the things I named before, narcissist, totally warped view of reality (appearance being most important thing), etc. etc. I mean just watch this video.
Ding Ding Ding!
The guy had zero redeeming qualities at all. I wanted to slap the shit out of him after 10 seconds of watching a video. I can't imagine being in some sort of social situation trapped with the guy.
On May 27 2014 11:28 OuchyDathurts wrote: There's a difference between self improvement and playing a fake character. If you're being a fake to score pussy you should indeed be shamed.
"Playing a fake character".
Everytime you go to a gym and you say "Oh boy, there is no way I can lift that much." but your coach tell you that "Yes you can!" and keeps pushing you to do it even though you still think that you personally can't do it that someone else can. But he encourage you to have the same mindset as those guys better than ya.
You have to fake a character to get our of your current comfort zone in order to gain the confidence for self-improvement.
I feel like there's a difference between pushing yourself to an eventual goal and tricking a girl into thinking that you're different than you are so that she'll sleep with you.
Its not exactly tricking a girl into thinking that you are different. Girls are EXTREMELY apt at body languages due to biological evolution. In the first couple of minutes of talking to a guy, they can tell whether or not someone is being completely genuine or just faking it. So they can end it anytime they want if they feel being tricked.
For the guys that are faking it so well, you won't be able to tell because he have practiced it a lot but after that much time to faking a certain character that it is completely real, the person is not faking it anymore, he improve himself to the level of actually becoming that attractive guy.
Scenerio one: Saturday morning, a couple get up in the morning. Girl ask the men about what's the plan for the day. Guy says: "I don't know, haven't really thought about it."
Scenerio two: Same day, same thing asked by the girl. The guy answers with confidence "Oh, let's go to that new Italian restaurent place that opened up last week and then later we can catch that new movie about Jesus Christ."
Which scenerio do you think the girl will be attracted to?
The first scenerio is the average answer from an average men. The 2nd answer is clearly given by a men of sophiscated tastes, social awareness and have an interesting life.
The girl would obviously be more captivated by the 2nd one.
There are communities out there to improve men's lifestyle in such ways and they aren't "confused" as you make them sound to be. And no one should shame someone to learn the method of improvement.
What the hell does this have to do with anything?
This guy is disturbed so any other thing is extraneous and arguably irrelevant.
This isn't about his inability to attract women or whatever. This is much deeper issue of his psyche. Girls not being attracted to him is because he's nuts and on top of that he is sounds and acts gay his non verbal communication is strange. nuts being the things I named before, narcissist, totally warped view of reality (appearance being most important thing), etc. etc. I mean just watch this video.
I'm saying that to prevent further incidence of a guy's inability to attract girls to lash out, encourage them to learn about material in order to help them get girls is part of the solution.
No no no, don't learn material. BE A BETTER PERSON. Granted he was a mental defective so nothing is going to change that part. But he'd have to literally relearn everything from square one. He'd have to entirely change his outlook on life, money, girls, entitlement, race, everything. Not just read off queue cards, go into a jungle somewhere and reflect on how awful he was as a person and change everything.
On May 27 2014 11:28 OuchyDathurts wrote: There's a difference between self improvement and playing a fake character. If you're being a fake to score pussy you should indeed be shamed.
"Playing a fake character".
Everytime you go to a gym and you say "Oh boy, there is no way I can lift that much." but your coach tell you that "Yes you can!" and keeps pushing you to do it even though you still think that you personally can't do it that someone else can. But he encourage you to have the same mindset as those guys better than ya.
You have to fake a character to get our of your current comfort zone in order to gain the confidence for self-improvement.
Ummm, I've never had to fake a character for anything so I'm not quite sure what you're on about. You don't have to fake shit, you just do it. I don't play roles, life isn't a TV show.
If you actually want to go to a new Italian joint and watch a movie about god then cool beans. If you're just saying that to sound interesting and get laid you're fake as fuck and not actually improving yourself in any manner. There's a massive difference there.
On May 27 2014 11:28 OuchyDathurts wrote: There's a difference between self improvement and playing a fake character. If you're being a fake to score pussy you should indeed be shamed.
Or company A that copying the management strategy of company B because company B is generating more profits. "Stop faking it, company A! We all know that you are just a little sore loser with all those bankruptcy! There is no need to try harder!"
If a person is trying to get what he wants in a legal manner, who are you to judge him?
You understand the difference between real life and pretend right? If company A is a better company and your company sucks its logical to want to take on a better business structure. That actually improves your company. PRETENDING to be like company A for image purposes while not actually wanting to improve makes you pathetic.
I can judge whoever I want. If someone is fake I'll call them out on it, its generally pretty easy to see through. How about genuinely trying to be a better person and not just pretending to be a better person? The first way makes the world a better place the second is just pathetic.
See there with the shaming on people trying to improve. Why are you putting people down bro?
The problem has nothing to do with his inability to attract girls, that's just his warped perception or projection of his underlying problem due to his narcissism and lack of insight.
The guy was lost and needed serious mental network and probably meds. Then after he becomes stable and is able to meet in groups with other people and talk about these things he talks about in his video, then he can work on the relationship/women frustration.
I mean, he could have simply hired an escort if that's what it was really about.
PS- I read something recently about what guys are girls fear the most when online dating.
For guys it's that the chick is fat. For girls it's that the guy is a psychopath.
This guy is a psychopath. Nothing he can do to correct that other than years of therapy and meds.
On May 27 2014 11:28 OuchyDathurts wrote: There's a difference between self improvement and playing a fake character. If you're being a fake to score pussy you should indeed be shamed.
"Playing a fake character".
Everytime you go to a gym and you say "Oh boy, there is no way I can lift that much." but your coach tell you that "Yes you can!" and keeps pushing you to do it even though you still think that you personally can't do it that someone else can. But he encourage you to have the same mindset as those guys better than ya.
You have to fake a character to get our of your current comfort zone in order to gain the confidence for self-improvement.
Ummm, I've never had to fake a character for anything so I'm not quite sure what you're on about. You don't have to fake shit, you just do it. I don't play roles, life isn't a TV show.
If you actually want to go to a new Italian joint and watch a movie about god then cool beans. If you're just saying that to sound interesting and get laid you're fake as fuck and not actually improving yourself in any manner. There's a massive difference there.
Yay for edits
On May 27 2014 11:33 Xiphos wrote:
On May 27 2014 11:28 OuchyDathurts wrote: There's a difference between self improvement and playing a fake character. If you're being a fake to score pussy you should indeed be shamed.
Or company A that copying the management strategy of company B because company B is generating more profits. "Stop faking it, company A! We all know that you are just a little sore loser with all those bankruptcy! There is no need to try harder!"
If a person is trying to get what he wants in a legal manner, who are you to judge him?
You understand the difference between real life and pretend right? If company A is a better company and your company sucks its logical to want to take on a better business structure. That actually improves your company. PRETENDING to be like company A for image purposes while not actually wanting to improve makes you pathetic.
I can judge whoever I want. If someone is fake I'll call them out on it, its generally pretty easy to see through. How about genuinely trying to be a better person and not just pretending to be a better person? The first way makes the world a better place the second is just pathetic.
See there with the shaming on people trying to improve. Why are you putting people down bro?
Pretending to be someone else isn't improving. And again, I'll shame who I like to shame and pretending to be someone else, reading off some bullshit queue cards from some jackass in a fluffy hat is at the top of my list.
Scenerio one: Saturday morning, a couple get up in the morning. Girl ask the men about what's the plan for the day. Guy says: "I don't know, haven't really thought about it."
Scenerio two: Same day, same thing asked by the girl. The guy answers with confidence "Oh, let's go to that new Italian restaurent place that opened up last week and then later we can catch that new movie about Jesus Christ."
Which scenerio do you think the girl will be attracted to?
The first scenerio is the average answer from an average men. The 2nd answer is clearly given by a men of sophiscated tastes, social awareness and have an interesting life.
The girl would obviously be more captivated by the 2nd one.
There are communities out there to improve men's lifestyle in such ways and they aren't "confused" as you make them sound to be. And no one should shame someone to learn the method of improvement.
This isn't about his inability to attract women or whatever. This is much deeper issue of his psyche. Girls not being attracted to him is because he's nuts and on top of that he is sounds and acts gay, his non verbal communication is strange, he uses a lot of the same words over and over to sound important or aloof. nuts being the things I named before, narcissist, totally warped view of reality (appearance being most important thing), etc. etc. I mean just watch this video.
Ding Ding Ding!
The guy had zero redeeming qualities at all. I wanted to slap the shit out of him after 10 seconds of watching a video. I can't imagine being in some sort of social situation trapped with the guy.
On May 27 2014 11:28 OuchyDathurts wrote: There's a difference between self improvement and playing a fake character. If you're being a fake to score pussy you should indeed be shamed.
"Playing a fake character".
Everytime you go to a gym and you say "Oh boy, there is no way I can lift that much." but your coach tell you that "Yes you can!" and keeps pushing you to do it even though you still think that you personally can't do it that someone else can. But he encourage you to have the same mindset as those guys better than ya.
You have to fake a character to get our of your current comfort zone in order to gain the confidence for self-improvement.
I feel like there's a difference between pushing yourself to an eventual goal and tricking a girl into thinking that you're different than you are so that she'll sleep with you.
Its not exactly tricking a girl into thinking that you are different. Girls are EXTREMELY apt at body languages due to biological evolution. In the first couple of minutes of talking to a guy, they can tell whether or not someone is being completely genuine or just faking it. So they can end it anytime they want if they feel being tricked.
For the guys that are faking it so well, you won't be able to tell because he have practiced it a lot but after that much time to faking a certain character that it is completely real, the person is not faking it anymore, he improve himself to the level of actually becoming that attractive guy.
On May 27 2014 11:40 MarlieChurphy wrote:
On May 27 2014 11:23 Xiphos wrote: MarlieChurphy,
Scenerio one: Saturday morning, a couple get up in the morning. Girl ask the men about what's the plan for the day. Guy says: "I don't know, haven't really thought about it."
Scenerio two: Same day, same thing asked by the girl. The guy answers with confidence "Oh, let's go to that new Italian restaurent place that opened up last week and then later we can catch that new movie about Jesus Christ."
Which scenerio do you think the girl will be attracted to?
The first scenerio is the average answer from an average men. The 2nd answer is clearly given by a men of sophiscated tastes, social awareness and have an interesting life.
The girl would obviously be more captivated by the 2nd one.
There are communities out there to improve men's lifestyle in such ways and they aren't "confused" as you make them sound to be. And no one should shame someone to learn the method of improvement.
What the hell does this have to do with anything?
This guy is disturbed so any other thing is extraneous and arguably irrelevant.
This isn't about his inability to attract women or whatever. This is much deeper issue of his psyche. Girls not being attracted to him is because he's nuts and on top of that he is sounds and acts gay his non verbal communication is strange. nuts being the things I named before, narcissist, totally warped view of reality (appearance being most important thing), etc. etc. I mean just watch this video.
I'm saying that to prevent further incidence of a guy's inability to attract girls to lash out, encourage them to learn about material in order to help them get girls is part of the solution.
No no no, don't learn material. BE A BETTER PERSON. Granted he was a mental defective so nothing is going to change that part. But he'd have to literally relearn everything from square one. He'd have to entirely change his outlook on life, money, girls, entitlement, race, everything. Not just read off queue cards, go into a jungle somewhere and reflect on how awful he was as a person and change everything.
Please learn some basic psychology treatment for depression.
You can't be a better person if you don't know what "better" is.
To bring down the terms simpler for you. Let's talk about SC players. When your first started playing the game, you can't win so you write about it on TL.net Then people tell you to watch Jaedong's replays and try to emulate him. Same concept, I hope this simpler analogy can help you to understand the concept better.
On May 27 2014 11:51 MarlieChurphy wrote: The problem has nothing to do with his inability to attract girls, that's just his warped perception or projection of his underlying problem due to his narcissism and lack of insight.
The guy was lost and needed serious mental network and probably meds. Then after he becomes stable and is able to meet in groups with other people and talk about these things he talks about in his video, then he can work on the relationship/women frustration.
I mean, he could have simply hired an escort if that's what it was really about.
Agreed. I remember at one point in his manifesto he mentions prostitution being "fake because you have to pay for it" or something along those lines.
So clearly his issues weren't JUST about having sex like he sort of seems to imply through some of the videos.
I mean he was driving hours and hours to Arizona spending hundreds on lottery tickets near the end...could easily have driven to Vegas and been done with his virginity in a day if that was really all it was about for him.
On May 27 2014 11:51 MarlieChurphy wrote: The problem has nothing to do with his inability to attract girls, that's just his warped perception or projection of his underlying problem due to his narcissism and lack of insight.
The guy was lost and needed serious mental network and probably meds. Then after he becomes stable and is able to meet in groups with other people and talk about these things he talks about in his video, then he can work on the relationship/women frustration.
I mean, he could have simply hired an escort if that's what it was really about.
Agreed. I remember at one point in his manifesto he mentions prostitution being "fake because you have to pay for it" or something along those lines.
So clearly his issues weren't JUST about having sex like he sort of seems to imply through some of the videos.
I mean he was driving hours and hours to Arizona spending hundreds on lottery tickets near the end...could easily have driven to Vegas and been done with his virginity in a day if that was really all it was about for him.
Where did you see this (and read that)? I think someone removed a number of his YT videos.
Scenerio one: Saturday morning, a couple get up in the morning. Girl ask the men about what's the plan for the day. Guy says: "I don't know, haven't really thought about it."
Scenerio two: Same day, same thing asked by the girl. The guy answers with confidence "Oh, let's go to that new Italian restaurent place that opened up last week and then later we can catch that new movie about Jesus Christ."
Which scenerio do you think the girl will be attracted to?
The first scenerio is the average answer from an average men. The 2nd answer is clearly given by a men of sophiscated tastes, social awareness and have an interesting life.
The girl would obviously be more captivated by the 2nd one.
There are communities out there to improve men's lifestyle in such ways and they aren't "confused" as you make them sound to be. And no one should shame someone to learn the method of improvement.
This isn't about his inability to attract women or whatever. This is much deeper issue of his psyche. Girls not being attracted to him is because he's nuts and on top of that he is sounds and acts gay, his non verbal communication is strange, he uses a lot of the same words over and over to sound important or aloof. nuts being the things I named before, narcissist, totally warped view of reality (appearance being most important thing), etc. etc. I mean just watch this video.
Ding Ding Ding!
The guy had zero redeeming qualities at all. I wanted to slap the shit out of him after 10 seconds of watching a video. I can't imagine being in some sort of social situation trapped with the guy.
On May 27 2014 11:43 Xiphos wrote:
On May 27 2014 11:37 Coppermantis wrote:
On May 27 2014 11:33 Xiphos wrote:
On May 27 2014 11:28 OuchyDathurts wrote: There's a difference between self improvement and playing a fake character. If you're being a fake to score pussy you should indeed be shamed.
"Playing a fake character".
Everytime you go to a gym and you say "Oh boy, there is no way I can lift that much." but your coach tell you that "Yes you can!" and keeps pushing you to do it even though you still think that you personally can't do it that someone else can. But he encourage you to have the same mindset as those guys better than ya.
You have to fake a character to get our of your current comfort zone in order to gain the confidence for self-improvement.
I feel like there's a difference between pushing yourself to an eventual goal and tricking a girl into thinking that you're different than you are so that she'll sleep with you.
Its not exactly tricking a girl into thinking that you are different. Girls are EXTREMELY apt at body languages due to biological evolution. In the first couple of minutes of talking to a guy, they can tell whether or not someone is being completely genuine or just faking it. So they can end it anytime they want if they feel being tricked.
For the guys that are faking it so well, you won't be able to tell because he have practiced it a lot but after that much time to faking a certain character that it is completely real, the person is not faking it anymore, he improve himself to the level of actually becoming that attractive guy.
On May 27 2014 11:40 MarlieChurphy wrote:
On May 27 2014 11:23 Xiphos wrote: MarlieChurphy,
Scenerio one: Saturday morning, a couple get up in the morning. Girl ask the men about what's the plan for the day. Guy says: "I don't know, haven't really thought about it."
Scenerio two: Same day, same thing asked by the girl. The guy answers with confidence "Oh, let's go to that new Italian restaurent place that opened up last week and then later we can catch that new movie about Jesus Christ."
Which scenerio do you think the girl will be attracted to?
The first scenerio is the average answer from an average men. The 2nd answer is clearly given by a men of sophiscated tastes, social awareness and have an interesting life.
The girl would obviously be more captivated by the 2nd one.
There are communities out there to improve men's lifestyle in such ways and they aren't "confused" as you make them sound to be. And no one should shame someone to learn the method of improvement.
What the hell does this have to do with anything?
This guy is disturbed so any other thing is extraneous and arguably irrelevant.
This isn't about his inability to attract women or whatever. This is much deeper issue of his psyche. Girls not being attracted to him is because he's nuts and on top of that he is sounds and acts gay his non verbal communication is strange. nuts being the things I named before, narcissist, totally warped view of reality (appearance being most important thing), etc. etc. I mean just watch this video.
I'm saying that to prevent further incidence of a guy's inability to attract girls to lash out, encourage them to learn about material in order to help them get girls is part of the solution.
No no no, don't learn material. BE A BETTER PERSON. Granted he was a mental defective so nothing is going to change that part. But he'd have to literally relearn everything from square one. He'd have to entirely change his outlook on life, money, girls, entitlement, race, everything. Not just read off queue cards, go into a jungle somewhere and reflect on how awful he was as a person and change everything.
Please learn some basic psychology treatment for depression.
Is this a forum for clinical psychologists or something?
You don't have to fake anything in life. If you look at yourself and find a flaw fix the flaw, don't pretend it doesn't exist. CERTAINLY don't fake shit to cover it up because then you're only putting a bandaid on something. ESPECIALLY in this guys case he's a ticking time bomb. You're just going to go around lying to everyone to lure someone in only for them to later find out you're a complete fucking homicidal lunatic?
Use some self reflection not some "paint by numbers to get your dick wet" system. "Hmmm, You know what? I'm a negative person and that's not really cool. I'm going to try and catch myself when I'm negative and try and look at the bright side of things". THAT is self improvement. Going "Hmmm. You know what? I'm a negative person and that's not really cool. I'm just going to broadcast fake positivity and hope no one gets to know me and finds out I'm a negative nelly deep down" is sad and will never leave to self improvement.
[QUOTE]On May 27 2014 11:54 Xiphos wrote: [QUOTE]On May 27 2014 11:48 OuchyDathurts wrote: [QUOTE]On May 27 2014 11:40 MarlieChurphy wrote: [QUOTE]On May 27 2014 11:23 Xiphos wrote: MarlieChurphy,
Scenerio one: Saturday morning, a couple get up in the morning. Girl ask the men about what's the plan for the day. Guy says: "I don't know, haven't really thought about it."
Scenerio two: Same day, same thing asked by the girl. The guy answers with confidence "Oh, let's go to that new Italian restaurent place that opened up last week and then later we can catch that new movie about Jesus Christ."
Which scenerio do you think the girl will be attracted to?
The first scenerio is the average answer from an average men. The 2nd answer is clearly given by a men of sophiscated tastes, social awareness and have an interesting life.
The girl would obviously be more captivated by the 2nd one.
There are communities out there to improve men's lifestyle in such ways and they aren't "confused" as you make them sound to be. And no one should shame someone to learn the method of improvement. [/QUOTE]
This isn't about his inability to attract women or whatever. This is much deeper issue of his psyche. Girls not being attracted to him is because he's nuts and on top of that he is sounds and acts gay, his non verbal communication is strange, he uses a lot of the same words over and over to sound important or aloof. nuts being the things I named before, narcissist, totally warped view of reality (appearance being most important thing), etc. etc. I mean just watch this video. [/QUOTE]
Ding Ding Ding!
The guy had zero redeeming qualities at all. I wanted to slap the shit out of him after 10 seconds of watching a video. I can't imagine being in some sort of social situation trapped with the guy.
[QUOTE]On May 27 2014 11:43 Xiphos wrote: [QUOTE]On May 27 2014 11:37 Coppermantis wrote: [QUOTE]On May 27 2014 11:33 Xiphos wrote: [QUOTE]On May 27 2014 11:28 OuchyDathurts wrote: There's a difference between self improvement and playing a fake character. If you're being a fake to score pussy you should indeed be shamed.[/QUOTE]
"Playing a fake character".
Everytime you go to a gym and you say "Oh boy, there is no way I can lift that much." but your coach tell you that "Yes you can!" and keeps pushing you to do it even though you still think that you personally can't do it that someone else can. But he encourage you to have the same mindset as those guys better than ya.
You have to fake a character to get our of your current comfort zone in order to gain the confidence for self-improvement. [/QUOTE]
I feel like there's a difference between pushing yourself to an eventual goal and tricking a girl into thinking that you're different than you are so that she'll sleep with you. [/QUOTE]
Its not exactly tricking a girl into thinking that you are different. Girls are EXTREMELY apt at body languages due to biological evolution. In the first couple of minutes of talking to a guy, they can tell whether or not someone is being completely genuine or just faking it. So they can end it anytime they want if they feel being tricked.
For the guys that are faking it so well, you won't be able to tell because he have practiced it a lot but after that much time to faking a certain character that it is completely real, the person is not faking it anymore, he improve himself to the level of actually becoming that attractive guy.
[QUOTE]On May 27 2014 11:40 MarlieChurphy wrote: [QUOTE]On May 27 2014 11:23 Xiphos wrote: MarlieChurphy,
Scenerio one: Saturday morning, a couple get up in the morning. Girl ask the men about what's the plan for the day. Guy says: "I don't know, haven't really thought about it."
Scenerio two: Same day, same thing asked by the girl. The guy answers with confidence "Oh, let's go to that new Italian restaurent place that opened up last week and then later we can catch that new movie about Jesus Christ."
Which scenerio do you think the girl will be attracted to?
The first scenerio is the average answer from an average men. The 2nd answer is clearly given by a men of sophiscated tastes, social awareness and have an interesting life.
The girl would obviously be more captivated by the 2nd one.
There are communities out there to improve men's lifestyle in such ways and they aren't "confused" as you make them sound to be. And no one should shame someone to learn the method of improvement. [/QUOTE]
What the hell does this have to do with anything?
This guy is disturbed so any other thing is extraneous and arguably irrelevant.
This isn't about his inability to attract women or whatever. This is much deeper issue of his psyche. Girls not being attracted to him is because he's nuts and on top of that he is sounds and acts gay his non verbal communication is strange. nuts being the things I named before, narcissist, totally warped view of reality (appearance being most important thing), etc. etc. I mean just watch this video.
[url=http://youtu.be/zBvaVWdJRQM]http://youtu.be/zBvaVWdJRQM[/url][/QUOTE] You can't be a better person if you don't know what "better" is.
To bring down the terms simpler for you. Let's talk about SC players. When your first started playing the game, you can't win so you write about it on TL.net Then people tell you to watch Jaedong's replays and try to emulate him. Same concept, I hope this simpler analogy can help you to understand the concept better. [/QUOTE]
Maybe if you have a mental condition you don't know what better is. Most people should be able to spot someone with better qualities than themselves. Tim is a really nice guy, Fred is very helpful, Greg is very wise for his age. Those guys all have better traits, we know they're better because we're objective and because we can reflect upon yourselves and our actions and notice the difference between us and them.
Well, to be fair I've played 2 1v1 games of SC2 ever and just did whatever. But emulation isn't improvement. You're just acting different. I can try and do what jaedong does and that's super. But I'm really not a better player, I just know how to follow the queue cards in one specific scenario. If I don't actually think through every single step to understand why JD does X in Y situation, why Z is better than A in this scenario, etc I'm not getting any better. There's a difference.
Scenerio one: Saturday morning, a couple get up in the morning. Girl ask the men about what's the plan for the day. Guy says: "I don't know, haven't really thought about it."
Scenerio two: Same day, same thing asked by the girl. The guy answers with confidence "Oh, let's go to that new Italian restaurent place that opened up last week and then later we can catch that new movie about Jesus Christ."
Which scenerio do you think the girl will be attracted to?
The first scenerio is the average answer from an average men. The 2nd answer is clearly given by a men of sophiscated tastes, social awareness and have an interesting life.
The girl would obviously be more captivated by the 2nd one.
There are communities out there to improve men's lifestyle in such ways and they aren't "confused" as you make them sound to be. And no one should shame someone to learn the method of improvement.
This isn't about his inability to attract women or whatever. This is much deeper issue of his psyche. Girls not being attracted to him is because he's nuts and on top of that he is sounds and acts gay, his non verbal communication is strange, he uses a lot of the same words over and over to sound important or aloof. nuts being the things I named before, narcissist, totally warped view of reality (appearance being most important thing), etc. etc. I mean just watch this video.
Ding Ding Ding!
The guy had zero redeeming qualities at all. I wanted to slap the shit out of him after 10 seconds of watching a video. I can't imagine being in some sort of social situation trapped with the guy.
On May 27 2014 11:43 Xiphos wrote:
On May 27 2014 11:37 Coppermantis wrote:
On May 27 2014 11:33 Xiphos wrote:
On May 27 2014 11:28 OuchyDathurts wrote: There's a difference between self improvement and playing a fake character. If you're being a fake to score pussy you should indeed be shamed.
"Playing a fake character".
Everytime you go to a gym and you say "Oh boy, there is no way I can lift that much." but your coach tell you that "Yes you can!" and keeps pushing you to do it even though you still think that you personally can't do it that someone else can. But he encourage you to have the same mindset as those guys better than ya.
You have to fake a character to get our of your current comfort zone in order to gain the confidence for self-improvement.
I feel like there's a difference between pushing yourself to an eventual goal and tricking a girl into thinking that you're different than you are so that she'll sleep with you.
Its not exactly tricking a girl into thinking that you are different. Girls are EXTREMELY apt at body languages due to biological evolution. In the first couple of minutes of talking to a guy, they can tell whether or not someone is being completely genuine or just faking it. So they can end it anytime they want if they feel being tricked.
For the guys that are faking it so well, you won't be able to tell because he have practiced it a lot but after that much time to faking a certain character that it is completely real, the person is not faking it anymore, he improve himself to the level of actually becoming that attractive guy.
On May 27 2014 11:40 MarlieChurphy wrote:
On May 27 2014 11:23 Xiphos wrote: MarlieChurphy,
Scenerio one: Saturday morning, a couple get up in the morning. Girl ask the men about what's the plan for the day. Guy says: "I don't know, haven't really thought about it."
Scenerio two: Same day, same thing asked by the girl. The guy answers with confidence "Oh, let's go to that new Italian restaurent place that opened up last week and then later we can catch that new movie about Jesus Christ."
Which scenerio do you think the girl will be attracted to?
The first scenerio is the average answer from an average men. The 2nd answer is clearly given by a men of sophiscated tastes, social awareness and have an interesting life.
The girl would obviously be more captivated by the 2nd one.
There are communities out there to improve men's lifestyle in such ways and they aren't "confused" as you make them sound to be. And no one should shame someone to learn the method of improvement.
What the hell does this have to do with anything?
This guy is disturbed so any other thing is extraneous and arguably irrelevant.
This isn't about his inability to attract women or whatever. This is much deeper issue of his psyche. Girls not being attracted to him is because he's nuts and on top of that he is sounds and acts gay his non verbal communication is strange. nuts being the things I named before, narcissist, totally warped view of reality (appearance being most important thing), etc. etc. I mean just watch this video.
I'm saying that to prevent further incidence of a guy's inability to attract girls to lash out, encourage them to learn about material in order to help them get girls is part of the solution.
No no no, don't learn material. BE A BETTER PERSON. Granted he was a mental defective so nothing is going to change that part. But he'd have to literally relearn everything from square one. He'd have to entirely change his outlook on life, money, girls, entitlement, race, everything. Not just read off queue cards, go into a jungle somewhere and reflect on how awful he was as a person and change everything.
Please learn some basic psychology treatment for depression.
Is this a forum for clinical psychologists or something?
You don't have to fake anything in life. If you look at yourself and find a flaw fix the flaw, don't pretend it doesn't exist. CERTAINLY don't fake shit to cover it up because then you're only putting a bandaid on something. ESPECIALLY in this guys case he's a ticking time bomb. You're just going to go around lying to everyone to lure someone in only for them to later find out you're a complete fucking homicidal lunatic?
Use some self reflection not some "paint by numbers to get your dick wet" system. "Hmmm, You know what? I'm a negative person and that's not really cool. I'm going to try and catch myself when I'm negative and try and look at the bright side of things". THAT is self improvement. Going "Hmmm. You know what? I'm a negative person and that's not really cool. I'm just going to broadcast fake positivity and hope no one gets to know me and finds out I'm a negative nelly deep down" is sad and will never leave to self improvement.
You don't have to fake it if you know the correct direction to improve.
However most men want to have some empirical evidence of what methods work and what doesn't. So looking at examples and copying example is the best option to learn mistakes from other people and emulating their success. It might not necessarily work for you so you look further into models and well documentated work to try something else and then eventually you find the method that works best for you by either finding the golden ticket or by amalgamating those knowledge learned from the professionals.
The general success to any field will always be formulastic and calculable. As long as you able to gather all the necessary variables, condition, and factors, you should certainly succeed in it and there are models to follow. I personally never rush into something if I didn't know the statistics of the success beforehand.
And regarding this: "Well, to be fair I've played 2 1v1 games of SC2 ever and just did whatever. But emulation isn't improvement. You're just acting different. I can try and do what jaedong does and that's super. But I'm really not a better player, I just know how to follow the queue cards in one specific scenario. If I don't actually think through every single step to understand why JD does X in Y situation, why Z is better than A in this scenario, etc I'm not getting any better. There's a difference."
If you study someone and copy what they are doing, you will have this "Euraka" moment of "OH THATS WHY HE CHOOSE TO EXPAND THERE INSTEAD!". Oh sick, I'll remember to do that next time. You won't 100% copy and understand what the professionals are doing but you can certainly emulate their success.
On May 27 2014 11:51 MarlieChurphy wrote: The problem has nothing to do with his inability to attract girls, that's just his warped perception or projection of his underlying problem due to his narcissism and lack of insight.
The guy was lost and needed serious mental network and probably meds. Then after he becomes stable and is able to meet in groups with other people and talk about these things he talks about in his video, then he can work on the relationship/women frustration.
I mean, he could have simply hired an escort if that's what it was really about.
Agreed. I remember at one point in his manifesto he mentions prostitution being "fake because you have to pay for it" or something along those lines.
So clearly his issues weren't JUST about having sex like he sort of seems to imply through some of the videos.
I mean he was driving hours and hours to Arizona spending hundreds on lottery tickets near the end...could easily have driven to Vegas and been done with his virginity in a day if that was really all it was about for him.
Where did you see this (and read that)? I think someone removed a number of his YT videos.
Xiphos self-improvement is sold as a product. Part of selling it as a product is making the consumer assume that they are flawed. If you buy into the values self-improvement gurus tell as well as the way they ideologically reconstruct your interpretation of the world you are at there mercy to adopt their viewpoints of what you are and what you should be. That's why we have so many dumb nerds going to the gym trying to get buff, buying expensive clothing, and paying money for PUA bootcamps. It is an industry that feeds off that which perceives itself as weak and pretends to offer a simple solution to all life's woes. Trust me the day I rid myself of self-help gurus I began to feel much more empowered and in control of my life. It can be addicting and comforting to consume there rhetoric but the way they portray the world is simply not true no matter how much they have conditioned themselves to believe it.
Scenerio one: Saturday morning, a couple get up in the morning. Girl ask the men about what's the plan for the day. Guy says: "I don't know, haven't really thought about it."
Scenerio two: Same day, same thing asked by the girl. The guy answers with confidence "Oh, let's go to that new Italian restaurent place that opened up last week and then later we can catch that new movie about Jesus Christ."
Which scenerio do you think the girl will be attracted to?
The first scenerio is the average answer from an average men. The 2nd answer is clearly given by a men of sophiscated tastes, social awareness and have an interesting life.
The girl would obviously be more captivated by the 2nd one.
There are communities out there to improve men's lifestyle in such ways and they aren't "confused" as you make them sound to be. And no one should shame someone to learn the method of improvement.
This isn't about his inability to attract women or whatever. This is much deeper issue of his psyche. Girls not being attracted to him is because he's nuts and on top of that he is sounds and acts gay, his non verbal communication is strange, he uses a lot of the same words over and over to sound important or aloof. nuts being the things I named before, narcissist, totally warped view of reality (appearance being most important thing), etc. etc. I mean just watch this video.
Ding Ding Ding!
The guy had zero redeeming qualities at all. I wanted to slap the shit out of him after 10 seconds of watching a video. I can't imagine being in some sort of social situation trapped with the guy.
On May 27 2014 11:43 Xiphos wrote:
On May 27 2014 11:37 Coppermantis wrote:
On May 27 2014 11:33 Xiphos wrote:
On May 27 2014 11:28 OuchyDathurts wrote: There's a difference between self improvement and playing a fake character. If you're being a fake to score pussy you should indeed be shamed.
"Playing a fake character".
Everytime you go to a gym and you say "Oh boy, there is no way I can lift that much." but your coach tell you that "Yes you can!" and keeps pushing you to do it even though you still think that you personally can't do it that someone else can. But he encourage you to have the same mindset as those guys better than ya.
You have to fake a character to get our of your current comfort zone in order to gain the confidence for self-improvement.
I feel like there's a difference between pushing yourself to an eventual goal and tricking a girl into thinking that you're different than you are so that she'll sleep with you.
Its not exactly tricking a girl into thinking that you are different. Girls are EXTREMELY apt at body languages due to biological evolution. In the first couple of minutes of talking to a guy, they can tell whether or not someone is being completely genuine or just faking it. So they can end it anytime they want if they feel being tricked.
For the guys that are faking it so well, you won't be able to tell because he have practiced it a lot but after that much time to faking a certain character that it is completely real, the person is not faking it anymore, he improve himself to the level of actually becoming that attractive guy.
On May 27 2014 11:40 MarlieChurphy wrote:
On May 27 2014 11:23 Xiphos wrote: MarlieChurphy,
Scenerio one: Saturday morning, a couple get up in the morning. Girl ask the men about what's the plan for the day. Guy says: "I don't know, haven't really thought about it."
Scenerio two: Same day, same thing asked by the girl. The guy answers with confidence "Oh, let's go to that new Italian restaurent place that opened up last week and then later we can catch that new movie about Jesus Christ."
Which scenerio do you think the girl will be attracted to?
The first scenerio is the average answer from an average men. The 2nd answer is clearly given by a men of sophiscated tastes, social awareness and have an interesting life.
The girl would obviously be more captivated by the 2nd one.
There are communities out there to improve men's lifestyle in such ways and they aren't "confused" as you make them sound to be. And no one should shame someone to learn the method of improvement.
What the hell does this have to do with anything?
This guy is disturbed so any other thing is extraneous and arguably irrelevant.
This isn't about his inability to attract women or whatever. This is much deeper issue of his psyche. Girls not being attracted to him is because he's nuts and on top of that he is sounds and acts gay his non verbal communication is strange. nuts being the things I named before, narcissist, totally warped view of reality (appearance being most important thing), etc. etc. I mean just watch this video.
I'm saying that to prevent further incidence of a guy's inability to attract girls to lash out, encourage them to learn about material in order to help them get girls is part of the solution.
No no no, don't learn material. BE A BETTER PERSON. Granted he was a mental defective so nothing is going to change that part. But he'd have to literally relearn everything from square one. He'd have to entirely change his outlook on life, money, girls, entitlement, race, everything. Not just read off queue cards, go into a jungle somewhere and reflect on how awful he was as a person and change everything.
Please learn some basic psychology treatment for depression.
Is this a forum for clinical psychologists or something?
You don't have to fake anything in life. If you look at yourself and find a flaw fix the flaw, don't pretend it doesn't exist. CERTAINLY don't fake shit to cover it up because then you're only putting a bandaid on something. ESPECIALLY in this guys case he's a ticking time bomb. You're just going to go around lying to everyone to lure someone in only for them to later find out you're a complete fucking homicidal lunatic?
Use some self reflection not some "paint by numbers to get your dick wet" system. "Hmmm, You know what? I'm a negative person and that's not really cool. I'm going to try and catch myself when I'm negative and try and look at the bright side of things". THAT is self improvement. Going "Hmmm. You know what? I'm a negative person and that's not really cool. I'm just going to broadcast fake positivity and hope no one gets to know me and finds out I'm a negative nelly deep down" is sad and will never leave to self improvement.
You don't have to fake it if you know the correct direction to improve.
However most men want to have some empirical evidence of what methods work and what doesn't. So looking at examples and copying example is the best option to learn mistakes from other people and emulating their success. It might not necessarily work for you so you look further into models and well documentated work to try something else and then eventually you find the method that works best for you by either finding the golden ticket or by amalgamating those knowledge learned from the professionals.
The general success to any field will always be formulastic and calculable. As long as you able to gather all the necessary variables, condition, and factors, you should certainly succeed in it and there are models to follow. I personally never rush into something if I didn't know the statistics of the success beforehand.
Well I have no idea wtf happened to the quote in the above post.
If you're into evidence you should be able to see the evidence with your own eyes, there aren't secrets, you don't need a kabal of jackasses to tell you how. If you're always calculating things before doing them you're not living life (a turn off for females btw). What girls like is plain a day and pretending to be someone who you aren't to get a chick I find sad. Be confident, be funny, be enjoyable to be around. Girls are more forgiving than men in the looks department. If a chick wants a rich guy you don't want her to begin with. Don't be beta as fuck (like the killer), don't whine, don't mope, don't be a bitch. Be spontaneous, be sweet sometimes, don't be clingy, don't be needy. If you're scared of rejection go to a bar and swing for the fucking fences. Go find the hottest fucking chick you can and give it a shot, when it fails go for another dime piece, before long you won't give a single fuck about rejection. Maybe you get lucky and one of the smoking hot chicks is into you! Not the fake you you're getting from some formula, the real you! Holy shit now you're set! None of this is rocket science, none of this is a formula, and none of this came from some secret society of dudes trying to get laid. It's just the obvious facts of life that stare you in the face every single day.
On May 27 2014 12:18 puppykiller wrote: Xiphos self-improvement is sold as a product. Part of selling it as a product is making the consumer assume that they are flawed. If you buy into the values self-improvement gurus tell as well as the way they ideologically reconstruct your interpretation of the world you are at there mercy to adopt their viewpoints of what you are and what you should be. That's why we have so many dumb nerds going to the gym trying to get buff, buying expensive clothing, and paying money for PUA bootcamps. It is an industry that feeds off that which perceives itself as weak and pretends to offer a simple solution to all life's woes. Trust me the day I rid myself of self-help gurus I began to feel much more empowered and in control of my life. It can be addicting and comforting to consume there rhetoric but the way they portray the world is simply not true no matter how much they have conditioned themselves to believe it.
Its not exactly as product, at least for me personally.
I make sure that the example I follow TRULY works.
Like the JD's example, I know he is a beast of SC player so I know that by studying him, I can get value out of it.
Again I'm not saying to get scammed by PUA bootcamps because there are some guys can't get girls for shit but just tries to steal people's money. I personally didn't pay a dime beside electricity bills, internet fee, and the purchase of a laptop in order to learn the right mindset from the PUA community. The general idea of self improvement by PUA shouldn't be called "pathetic". Even for the fake PUA guys that just want to steal money, those guys paying for them is finding comfort and is an act of trying to cure themselves.
Scenerio one: Saturday morning, a couple get up in the morning. Girl ask the men about what's the plan for the day. Guy says: "I don't know, haven't really thought about it."
Scenerio two: Same day, same thing asked by the girl. The guy answers with confidence "Oh, let's go to that new Italian restaurent place that opened up last week and then later we can catch that new movie about Jesus Christ."
Which scenerio do you think the girl will be attracted to?
The first scenerio is the average answer from an average men. The 2nd answer is clearly given by a men of sophiscated tastes, social awareness and have an interesting life.
The girl would obviously be more captivated by the 2nd one.
There are communities out there to improve men's lifestyle in such ways and they aren't "confused" as you make them sound to be. And no one should shame someone to learn the method of improvement.
This isn't about his inability to attract women or whatever. This is much deeper issue of his psyche. Girls not being attracted to him is because he's nuts and on top of that he is sounds and acts gay, his non verbal communication is strange, he uses a lot of the same words over and over to sound important or aloof. nuts being the things I named before, narcissist, totally warped view of reality (appearance being most important thing), etc. etc. I mean just watch this video.
Ding Ding Ding!
The guy had zero redeeming qualities at all. I wanted to slap the shit out of him after 10 seconds of watching a video. I can't imagine being in some sort of social situation trapped with the guy.
On May 27 2014 11:43 Xiphos wrote:
On May 27 2014 11:37 Coppermantis wrote:
On May 27 2014 11:33 Xiphos wrote:
On May 27 2014 11:28 OuchyDathurts wrote: There's a difference between self improvement and playing a fake character. If you're being a fake to score pussy you should indeed be shamed.
"Playing a fake character".
Everytime you go to a gym and you say "Oh boy, there is no way I can lift that much." but your coach tell you that "Yes you can!" and keeps pushing you to do it even though you still think that you personally can't do it that someone else can. But he encourage you to have the same mindset as those guys better than ya.
You have to fake a character to get our of your current comfort zone in order to gain the confidence for self-improvement.
I feel like there's a difference between pushing yourself to an eventual goal and tricking a girl into thinking that you're different than you are so that she'll sleep with you.
Its not exactly tricking a girl into thinking that you are different. Girls are EXTREMELY apt at body languages due to biological evolution. In the first couple of minutes of talking to a guy, they can tell whether or not someone is being completely genuine or just faking it. So they can end it anytime they want if they feel being tricked.
For the guys that are faking it so well, you won't be able to tell because he have practiced it a lot but after that much time to faking a certain character that it is completely real, the person is not faking it anymore, he improve himself to the level of actually becoming that attractive guy.
On May 27 2014 11:40 MarlieChurphy wrote:
On May 27 2014 11:23 Xiphos wrote: MarlieChurphy,
Scenerio one: Saturday morning, a couple get up in the morning. Girl ask the men about what's the plan for the day. Guy says: "I don't know, haven't really thought about it."
Scenerio two: Same day, same thing asked by the girl. The guy answers with confidence "Oh, let's go to that new Italian restaurent place that opened up last week and then later we can catch that new movie about Jesus Christ."
Which scenerio do you think the girl will be attracted to?
The first scenerio is the average answer from an average men. The 2nd answer is clearly given by a men of sophiscated tastes, social awareness and have an interesting life.
The girl would obviously be more captivated by the 2nd one.
There are communities out there to improve men's lifestyle in such ways and they aren't "confused" as you make them sound to be. And no one should shame someone to learn the method of improvement.
What the hell does this have to do with anything?
This guy is disturbed so any other thing is extraneous and arguably irrelevant.
This isn't about his inability to attract women or whatever. This is much deeper issue of his psyche. Girls not being attracted to him is because he's nuts and on top of that he is sounds and acts gay his non verbal communication is strange. nuts being the things I named before, narcissist, totally warped view of reality (appearance being most important thing), etc. etc. I mean just watch this video.
I'm saying that to prevent further incidence of a guy's inability to attract girls to lash out, encourage them to learn about material in order to help them get girls is part of the solution.
No no no, don't learn material. BE A BETTER PERSON. Granted he was a mental defective so nothing is going to change that part. But he'd have to literally relearn everything from square one. He'd have to entirely change his outlook on life, money, girls, entitlement, race, everything. Not just read off queue cards, go into a jungle somewhere and reflect on how awful he was as a person and change everything.
Please learn some basic psychology treatment for depression.
Is this a forum for clinical psychologists or something?
You don't have to fake anything in life. If you look at yourself and find a flaw fix the flaw, don't pretend it doesn't exist. CERTAINLY don't fake shit to cover it up because then you're only putting a bandaid on something. ESPECIALLY in this guys case he's a ticking time bomb. You're just going to go around lying to everyone to lure someone in only for them to later find out you're a complete fucking homicidal lunatic?
Use some self reflection not some "paint by numbers to get your dick wet" system. "Hmmm, You know what? I'm a negative person and that's not really cool. I'm going to try and catch myself when I'm negative and try and look at the bright side of things". THAT is self improvement. Going "Hmmm. You know what? I'm a negative person and that's not really cool. I'm just going to broadcast fake positivity and hope no one gets to know me and finds out I'm a negative nelly deep down" is sad and will never leave to self improvement.
If you study someone and copy what they are doing, you will have this "Euraka" moment of "OH THATS WHY HE CHOOSE TO EXPAND THERE INSTEAD!". Oh sick, I'll remember to do that next time. You won't 100% copy and understand what the professionals are doing but you can certainly emulate their success.
You only get that Eureka moment when you want to have it. I'll go down the DotA route since that's more my thing. If I watch Dendi or RTZ or whoever and see them do something and say "That was neato! I want to do that!" and do it in a pub game, I'm probably actually losing the game for my team. I can do what I saw him do but if I don't understand WHY he did what he did it's fruitless and I'm most likely actually a worse player for doing it. That's my point, you're not improving yourself unless you question yourself. Monkey see monkey do doesn't lead to improvement unless monkey questions.
On May 27 2014 12:18 puppykiller wrote: Xiphos self-improvement is sold as a product. Part of selling it as a product is making the consumer assume that they are flawed. If you buy into the values self-improvement gurus tell as well as the way they ideologically reconstruct your interpretation of the world you are at there mercy to adopt their viewpoints of what you are and what you should be. That's why we have so many dumb nerds going to the gym trying to get buff, buying expensive clothing, and paying money for PUA bootcamps. It is an industry that feeds off that which perceives itself as weak and pretends to offer a simple solution to all life's woes. Trust me the day I rid myself of self-help gurus I began to feel much more empowered and in control of my life. It can be addicting and comforting to consume there rhetoric but the way they portray the world is simply not true no matter how much they have conditioned themselves to believe it.
Its not exactly as product, at least for me personally.
I make sure that the example I follow TRULY works.
Like the JD's example, I know he is a beast of SC player so I know that by studying him, I can get value out of it.
Again I'm not saying to get scammed by PUA bootcamps because there are some guys can't get girls for shit but just tries to steal people's money. I personally didn't pay a dime beside electricity bills, internet fee, and the purchase of a laptop in order to learn the right mindset from the PUA community. The general idea of self improvement by PUA shouldn't be called "pathetic". Even for the fake PUA guys that just want to steal money, those guys paying for them is finding comfort and is an act of trying to cure themselves.
Again, if you're trying to improve yourself, REALLY IMPROVE YOURSELF that's fine. But putting on a fake show to put out an image that you've somehow improved when you in fact haven't is pathetic.
Look at a druggy, if he never wants to change he'll always be a druggy. His mom, his wife, his kids, no one else can make him better, no one else can change him. He has to want it himself. He has to want it with every fiber of his being. He has to look at himself and think "I'm a fucking piece of shit and I'm destroying the life of every single person I know and I need to fucking change". No outside force can make him better, he needs to genuinely want it himself.
Scenerio one: Saturday morning, a couple get up in the morning. Girl ask the men about what's the plan for the day. Guy says: "I don't know, haven't really thought about it."
Scenerio two: Same day, same thing asked by the girl. The guy answers with confidence "Oh, let's go to that new Italian restaurent place that opened up last week and then later we can catch that new movie about Jesus Christ."
Which scenerio do you think the girl will be attracted to?
The first scenerio is the average answer from an average men. The 2nd answer is clearly given by a men of sophiscated tastes, social awareness and have an interesting life.
The girl would obviously be more captivated by the 2nd one.
There are communities out there to improve men's lifestyle in such ways and they aren't "confused" as you make them sound to be. And no one should shame someone to learn the method of improvement.
This isn't about his inability to attract women or whatever. This is much deeper issue of his psyche. Girls not being attracted to him is because he's nuts and on top of that he is sounds and acts gay, his non verbal communication is strange, he uses a lot of the same words over and over to sound important or aloof. nuts being the things I named before, narcissist, totally warped view of reality (appearance being most important thing), etc. etc. I mean just watch this video.
Ding Ding Ding!
The guy had zero redeeming qualities at all. I wanted to slap the shit out of him after 10 seconds of watching a video. I can't imagine being in some sort of social situation trapped with the guy.
On May 27 2014 11:43 Xiphos wrote:
On May 27 2014 11:37 Coppermantis wrote:
On May 27 2014 11:33 Xiphos wrote:
On May 27 2014 11:28 OuchyDathurts wrote: There's a difference between self improvement and playing a fake character. If you're being a fake to score pussy you should indeed be shamed.
"Playing a fake character".
Everytime you go to a gym and you say "Oh boy, there is no way I can lift that much." but your coach tell you that "Yes you can!" and keeps pushing you to do it even though you still think that you personally can't do it that someone else can. But he encourage you to have the same mindset as those guys better than ya.
You have to fake a character to get our of your current comfort zone in order to gain the confidence for self-improvement.
I feel like there's a difference between pushing yourself to an eventual goal and tricking a girl into thinking that you're different than you are so that she'll sleep with you.
Its not exactly tricking a girl into thinking that you are different. Girls are EXTREMELY apt at body languages due to biological evolution. In the first couple of minutes of talking to a guy, they can tell whether or not someone is being completely genuine or just faking it. So they can end it anytime they want if they feel being tricked.
For the guys that are faking it so well, you won't be able to tell because he have practiced it a lot but after that much time to faking a certain character that it is completely real, the person is not faking it anymore, he improve himself to the level of actually becoming that attractive guy.
On May 27 2014 11:40 MarlieChurphy wrote:
On May 27 2014 11:23 Xiphos wrote: MarlieChurphy,
Scenerio one: Saturday morning, a couple get up in the morning. Girl ask the men about what's the plan for the day. Guy says: "I don't know, haven't really thought about it."
Scenerio two: Same day, same thing asked by the girl. The guy answers with confidence "Oh, let's go to that new Italian restaurent place that opened up last week and then later we can catch that new movie about Jesus Christ."
Which scenerio do you think the girl will be attracted to?
The first scenerio is the average answer from an average men. The 2nd answer is clearly given by a men of sophiscated tastes, social awareness and have an interesting life.
The girl would obviously be more captivated by the 2nd one.
There are communities out there to improve men's lifestyle in such ways and they aren't "confused" as you make them sound to be. And no one should shame someone to learn the method of improvement.
What the hell does this have to do with anything?
This guy is disturbed so any other thing is extraneous and arguably irrelevant.
This isn't about his inability to attract women or whatever. This is much deeper issue of his psyche. Girls not being attracted to him is because he's nuts and on top of that he is sounds and acts gay his non verbal communication is strange. nuts being the things I named before, narcissist, totally warped view of reality (appearance being most important thing), etc. etc. I mean just watch this video.
I'm saying that to prevent further incidence of a guy's inability to attract girls to lash out, encourage them to learn about material in order to help them get girls is part of the solution.
No no no, don't learn material. BE A BETTER PERSON. Granted he was a mental defective so nothing is going to change that part. But he'd have to literally relearn everything from square one. He'd have to entirely change his outlook on life, money, girls, entitlement, race, everything. Not just read off queue cards, go into a jungle somewhere and reflect on how awful he was as a person and change everything.
Please learn some basic psychology treatment for depression.
Is this a forum for clinical psychologists or something?
You don't have to fake anything in life. If you look at yourself and find a flaw fix the flaw, don't pretend it doesn't exist. CERTAINLY don't fake shit to cover it up because then you're only putting a bandaid on something. ESPECIALLY in this guys case he's a ticking time bomb. You're just going to go around lying to everyone to lure someone in only for them to later find out you're a complete fucking homicidal lunatic?
Use some self reflection not some "paint by numbers to get your dick wet" system. "Hmmm, You know what? I'm a negative person and that's not really cool. I'm going to try and catch myself when I'm negative and try and look at the bright side of things". THAT is self improvement. Going "Hmmm. You know what? I'm a negative person and that's not really cool. I'm just going to broadcast fake positivity and hope no one gets to know me and finds out I'm a negative nelly deep down" is sad and will never leave to self improvement.
If you study someone and copy what they are doing, you will have this "Euraka" moment of "OH THATS WHY HE CHOOSE TO EXPAND THERE INSTEAD!". Oh sick, I'll remember to do that next time. You won't 100% copy and understand what the professionals are doing but you can certainly emulate their success.
You only get that Eureka moment when you want to have it. I'll go down the DotA route since that's more my thing. If I watch Dendi or RTZ or whoever and see them do something and say "That was neato! I want to do that!" and do it in a pub game, I'm probably actually losing the game for my team. I can do what I saw him do but if I don't understand WHY he did what he did it's fruitless and I'm most likely actually a worse player for doing it. That's my point, you're not improving yourself unless you question yourself. Monkey see monkey do doesn't lead to improvement unless monkey questions.
Ofc you have to question yourself but at the very end, you will still be doing what ever Dendi is doing. That is emulation.
And in talking about wanting to change. Yeah all those guys who are into PUA really wants to change too. And many people needs to have example to get the concept.
Scenerio one: Saturday morning, a couple get up in the morning. Girl ask the men about what's the plan for the day. Guy says: "I don't know, haven't really thought about it."
Scenerio two: Same day, same thing asked by the girl. The guy answers with confidence "Oh, let's go to that new Italian restaurent place that opened up last week and then later we can catch that new movie about Jesus Christ."
Which scenerio do you think the girl will be attracted to?
The first scenerio is the average answer from an average men. The 2nd answer is clearly given by a men of sophiscated tastes, social awareness and have an interesting life.
The girl would obviously be more captivated by the 2nd one.
There are communities out there to improve men's lifestyle in such ways and they aren't "confused" as you make them sound to be. And no one should shame someone to learn the method of improvement.
This isn't about his inability to attract women or whatever. This is much deeper issue of his psyche. Girls not being attracted to him is because he's nuts and on top of that he is sounds and acts gay, his non verbal communication is strange, he uses a lot of the same words over and over to sound important or aloof. nuts being the things I named before, narcissist, totally warped view of reality (appearance being most important thing), etc. etc. I mean just watch this video.
Ding Ding Ding!
The guy had zero redeeming qualities at all. I wanted to slap the shit out of him after 10 seconds of watching a video. I can't imagine being in some sort of social situation trapped with the guy.
On May 27 2014 11:43 Xiphos wrote:
On May 27 2014 11:37 Coppermantis wrote:
On May 27 2014 11:33 Xiphos wrote:
On May 27 2014 11:28 OuchyDathurts wrote: There's a difference between self improvement and playing a fake character. If you're being a fake to score pussy you should indeed be shamed.
"Playing a fake character".
Everytime you go to a gym and you say "Oh boy, there is no way I can lift that much." but your coach tell you that "Yes you can!" and keeps pushing you to do it even though you still think that you personally can't do it that someone else can. But he encourage you to have the same mindset as those guys better than ya.
You have to fake a character to get our of your current comfort zone in order to gain the confidence for self-improvement.
I feel like there's a difference between pushing yourself to an eventual goal and tricking a girl into thinking that you're different than you are so that she'll sleep with you.
Its not exactly tricking a girl into thinking that you are different. Girls are EXTREMELY apt at body languages due to biological evolution. In the first couple of minutes of talking to a guy, they can tell whether or not someone is being completely genuine or just faking it. So they can end it anytime they want if they feel being tricked.
For the guys that are faking it so well, you won't be able to tell because he have practiced it a lot but after that much time to faking a certain character that it is completely real, the person is not faking it anymore, he improve himself to the level of actually becoming that attractive guy.
On May 27 2014 11:40 MarlieChurphy wrote:
On May 27 2014 11:23 Xiphos wrote: MarlieChurphy,
Scenerio one: Saturday morning, a couple get up in the morning. Girl ask the men about what's the plan for the day. Guy says: "I don't know, haven't really thought about it."
Scenerio two: Same day, same thing asked by the girl. The guy answers with confidence "Oh, let's go to that new Italian restaurent place that opened up last week and then later we can catch that new movie about Jesus Christ."
Which scenerio do you think the girl will be attracted to?
The first scenerio is the average answer from an average men. The 2nd answer is clearly given by a men of sophiscated tastes, social awareness and have an interesting life.
The girl would obviously be more captivated by the 2nd one.
There are communities out there to improve men's lifestyle in such ways and they aren't "confused" as you make them sound to be. And no one should shame someone to learn the method of improvement.
What the hell does this have to do with anything?
This guy is disturbed so any other thing is extraneous and arguably irrelevant.
This isn't about his inability to attract women or whatever. This is much deeper issue of his psyche. Girls not being attracted to him is because he's nuts and on top of that he is sounds and acts gay his non verbal communication is strange. nuts being the things I named before, narcissist, totally warped view of reality (appearance being most important thing), etc. etc. I mean just watch this video.
I'm saying that to prevent further incidence of a guy's inability to attract girls to lash out, encourage them to learn about material in order to help them get girls is part of the solution.
No no no, don't learn material. BE A BETTER PERSON. Granted he was a mental defective so nothing is going to change that part. But he'd have to literally relearn everything from square one. He'd have to entirely change his outlook on life, money, girls, entitlement, race, everything. Not just read off queue cards, go into a jungle somewhere and reflect on how awful he was as a person and change everything.
Please learn some basic psychology treatment for depression.
Is this a forum for clinical psychologists or something?
You don't have to fake anything in life. If you look at yourself and find a flaw fix the flaw, don't pretend it doesn't exist. CERTAINLY don't fake shit to cover it up because then you're only putting a bandaid on something. ESPECIALLY in this guys case he's a ticking time bomb. You're just going to go around lying to everyone to lure someone in only for them to later find out you're a complete fucking homicidal lunatic?
Use some self reflection not some "paint by numbers to get your dick wet" system. "Hmmm, You know what? I'm a negative person and that's not really cool. I'm going to try and catch myself when I'm negative and try and look at the bright side of things". THAT is self improvement. Going "Hmmm. You know what? I'm a negative person and that's not really cool. I'm just going to broadcast fake positivity and hope no one gets to know me and finds out I'm a negative nelly deep down" is sad and will never leave to self improvement.
If you study someone and copy what they are doing, you will have this "Euraka" moment of "OH THATS WHY HE CHOOSE TO EXPAND THERE INSTEAD!". Oh sick, I'll remember to do that next time. You won't 100% copy and understand what the professionals are doing but you can certainly emulate their success.
You only get that Eureka moment when you want to have it. I'll go down the DotA route since that's more my thing. If I watch Dendi or RTZ or whoever and see them do something and say "That was neato! I want to do that!" and do it in a pub game, I'm probably actually losing the game for my team. I can do what I saw him do but if I don't understand WHY he did what he did it's fruitless and I'm most likely actually a worse player for doing it. That's my point, you're not improving yourself unless you question yourself. Monkey see monkey do doesn't lead to improvement unless monkey questions.
Ofc you have to question yourself but at the very end, you will still be doing what ever Dendi is doing. That is emulation.
Emulation is not improvement, flat out, that is a fact.
If I do what he does I'm not a better player.
If I see what he does and question why I can come to an answer. Now I've gained a piece of knowledge. Now I'm a better player for having that knowledge. That knowledge might lead to me questioning something else and gaining another piece of knowledge.
That is self improvement. Emulating is not self improvement.
Scenerio one: Saturday morning, a couple get up in the morning. Girl ask the men about what's the plan for the day. Guy says: "I don't know, haven't really thought about it."
Scenerio two: Same day, same thing asked by the girl. The guy answers with confidence "Oh, let's go to that new Italian restaurent place that opened up last week and then later we can catch that new movie about Jesus Christ."
Which scenerio do you think the girl will be attracted to?
The first scenerio is the average answer from an average men. The 2nd answer is clearly given by a men of sophiscated tastes, social awareness and have an interesting life.
The girl would obviously be more captivated by the 2nd one.
There are communities out there to improve men's lifestyle in such ways and they aren't "confused" as you make them sound to be. And no one should shame someone to learn the method of improvement.
This isn't about his inability to attract women or whatever. This is much deeper issue of his psyche. Girls not being attracted to him is because he's nuts and on top of that he is sounds and acts gay, his non verbal communication is strange, he uses a lot of the same words over and over to sound important or aloof. nuts being the things I named before, narcissist, totally warped view of reality (appearance being most important thing), etc. etc. I mean just watch this video.
Ding Ding Ding!
The guy had zero redeeming qualities at all. I wanted to slap the shit out of him after 10 seconds of watching a video. I can't imagine being in some sort of social situation trapped with the guy.
On May 27 2014 11:43 Xiphos wrote:
On May 27 2014 11:37 Coppermantis wrote:
On May 27 2014 11:33 Xiphos wrote:
On May 27 2014 11:28 OuchyDathurts wrote: There's a difference between self improvement and playing a fake character. If you're being a fake to score pussy you should indeed be shamed.
"Playing a fake character".
Everytime you go to a gym and you say "Oh boy, there is no way I can lift that much." but your coach tell you that "Yes you can!" and keeps pushing you to do it even though you still think that you personally can't do it that someone else can. But he encourage you to have the same mindset as those guys better than ya.
You have to fake a character to get our of your current comfort zone in order to gain the confidence for self-improvement.
I feel like there's a difference between pushing yourself to an eventual goal and tricking a girl into thinking that you're different than you are so that she'll sleep with you.
Its not exactly tricking a girl into thinking that you are different. Girls are EXTREMELY apt at body languages due to biological evolution. In the first couple of minutes of talking to a guy, they can tell whether or not someone is being completely genuine or just faking it. So they can end it anytime they want if they feel being tricked.
For the guys that are faking it so well, you won't be able to tell because he have practiced it a lot but after that much time to faking a certain character that it is completely real, the person is not faking it anymore, he improve himself to the level of actually becoming that attractive guy.
On May 27 2014 11:40 MarlieChurphy wrote:
On May 27 2014 11:23 Xiphos wrote: MarlieChurphy,
Scenerio one: Saturday morning, a couple get up in the morning. Girl ask the men about what's the plan for the day. Guy says: "I don't know, haven't really thought about it."
Scenerio two: Same day, same thing asked by the girl. The guy answers with confidence "Oh, let's go to that new Italian restaurent place that opened up last week and then later we can catch that new movie about Jesus Christ."
Which scenerio do you think the girl will be attracted to?
The first scenerio is the average answer from an average men. The 2nd answer is clearly given by a men of sophiscated tastes, social awareness and have an interesting life.
The girl would obviously be more captivated by the 2nd one.
There are communities out there to improve men's lifestyle in such ways and they aren't "confused" as you make them sound to be. And no one should shame someone to learn the method of improvement.
What the hell does this have to do with anything?
This guy is disturbed so any other thing is extraneous and arguably irrelevant.
This isn't about his inability to attract women or whatever. This is much deeper issue of his psyche. Girls not being attracted to him is because he's nuts and on top of that he is sounds and acts gay his non verbal communication is strange. nuts being the things I named before, narcissist, totally warped view of reality (appearance being most important thing), etc. etc. I mean just watch this video.
I'm saying that to prevent further incidence of a guy's inability to attract girls to lash out, encourage them to learn about material in order to help them get girls is part of the solution.
No no no, don't learn material. BE A BETTER PERSON. Granted he was a mental defective so nothing is going to change that part. But he'd have to literally relearn everything from square one. He'd have to entirely change his outlook on life, money, girls, entitlement, race, everything. Not just read off queue cards, go into a jungle somewhere and reflect on how awful he was as a person and change everything.
Please learn some basic psychology treatment for depression.
Is this a forum for clinical psychologists or something?
You don't have to fake anything in life. If you look at yourself and find a flaw fix the flaw, don't pretend it doesn't exist. CERTAINLY don't fake shit to cover it up because then you're only putting a bandaid on something. ESPECIALLY in this guys case he's a ticking time bomb. You're just going to go around lying to everyone to lure someone in only for them to later find out you're a complete fucking homicidal lunatic?
Use some self reflection not some "paint by numbers to get your dick wet" system. "Hmmm, You know what? I'm a negative person and that's not really cool. I'm going to try and catch myself when I'm negative and try and look at the bright side of things". THAT is self improvement. Going "Hmmm. You know what? I'm a negative person and that's not really cool. I'm just going to broadcast fake positivity and hope no one gets to know me and finds out I'm a negative nelly deep down" is sad and will never leave to self improvement.
If you study someone and copy what they are doing, you will have this "Euraka" moment of "OH THATS WHY HE CHOOSE TO EXPAND THERE INSTEAD!". Oh sick, I'll remember to do that next time. You won't 100% copy and understand what the professionals are doing but you can certainly emulate their success.
You only get that Eureka moment when you want to have it. I'll go down the DotA route since that's more my thing. If I watch Dendi or RTZ or whoever and see them do something and say "That was neato! I want to do that!" and do it in a pub game, I'm probably actually losing the game for my team. I can do what I saw him do but if I don't understand WHY he did what he did it's fruitless and I'm most likely actually a worse player for doing it. That's my point, you're not improving yourself unless you question yourself. Monkey see monkey do doesn't lead to improvement unless monkey questions.
Ofc you have to question yourself but at the very end, you will still be doing what ever Dendi is doing. That is emulation.
And in talking about wanting to change. Yeah all those guys who are into PUA really wants to change too. And many people needs to have example to get the concept.
You shouldn't need an example. You should be able to look at the world objectively. Maybe there is something wrong with people in PUA and they're not able to see what is in front of them.
I can look at another human and see the good and the bad in them. I can look at myself and see the good and the bad in me.
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