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Xiphos
Canada7507 Posts
His dad discovered his YouTube channel, assigned police to look at his psyche, police said that everything is okay with him, then hours before his deeds, he posted his final video, people looked at it, didn't do shit about to detain him. That last video is sort of the final cry for help "Okay looks like nobody really cares about me anyways to correct me, I have to go with it." So the problem lies within the external forces just as much as he is to blame. | ||
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MarlieChurphy
United States2065 Posts
It's arguably worse than cancer yet there isn't much awareness or teaching going on about basic psychology and human behaviors, or traumas of the past. If you read into this kid's story you can tell he is severely messed up. And obviously his family could have been doing more but they probably didn't care enough. Raised by narcissists etc. | ||
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GoTuNk!
Chile4591 Posts
On May 27 2014 10:24 MarlieChurphy wrote: Yea there is a big problem, or rather, lack of understanding and dealing with mentally disturbed people in this culture. It's arguably worse than cancer yet there isn't much awareness or teaching going on about basic psychology and human behaviors, or traumas of the past. If you read into this kid's story you can tell he is severely messed up. And obviously his family could have been doing more but they probably didn't care enough. Raised by narcissists etc. I have no idea how the room mates didn't pick up anything, he doesn't seem to be the guy that did his part on the house chores I assume if you get stabbed by surprise on a key part (neck, gut, back), there is nothing you can do to defend yourself, even against a 145 pound guy. | ||
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Xiphos
Canada7507 Posts
The kid is too much of a "traditionalist" in a sense that before feminism's takeover, it has always been that if you are wealthy, you can get ladies. But afterward, women are aspiring a lot more from a men, that's how "PUA" came to be in order to adapt to that system. His mindset was stuck in time and couldn't accept it. Modernized women in the west don't exactly care much about money (they still do but not as much), they care about how smooth a men is at leading. He don't have the physique or the appropriate conversational topics (he is a terrific writer and conversationalist but in the wrong subject) to be a leader. And his mindset is way too angry at the world which completely destroys the smooth department. His blame toward men that evolved with the time drove him to madness. No you shouldn't shame another men for learning any techniques, instead you should encourage him because instead of getting stuck in time in the pre-feminism movement and getting angry at it, he is moving on with the time to use the current psychology of the women to his advantage. | ||
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Warlock40
601 Posts
On May 27 2014 10:28 GoTuNk! wrote: I have no idea how the room mates didn't pick up anything, he doesn't seem to be the guy that did his part on the house chores I assume if you get stabbed by surprise on a key part (neck, gut, back), there is nothing you can do to defend yourself, even against a 145 pound guy. Apparently, one of them had tried to move out, but couldn't due to financial reasons or something. Pretty sad stuff. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24427 Posts
On May 27 2014 10:39 Xiphos wrote: Another huge problem is how the society is hating on men who learn how to get into relationship with girls through training and techniques by saying how it is "creepy". I'm talking about the PUA stuff. The kid is too much of a "traditionalist" in a sense that before feminism's takeover, it has always been that if you are wealthy, you can get ladies. But afterward, women are aspiring a lot more from a men, that's how "PUA" came to be in order to adapt to that system. His mindset was stuck in time and couldn't accept it. Modernized women in the west don't exactly care much about money (they still do but not as much), they care about how smooth a men is at leading. He don't have the physique or the appropriate conversational topics (he is a terrific writer and conversationalist but in the wrong subject) to be a leader. And his mindset is way too angry at the world which completely destroys the smooth department. His blame toward men that evolved with the time drove him to madness. No you shouldn't shame another men for learning any techniques, instead you should encourage him because instead of getting stuck in time in the pre-feminism movement and getting angry at it, he is moving on with the time to use the current psychology of the women to his advantage. I think some of the problems with a lot of PUA type stuff is 1. A lot of it comes from a pretty misogynistic place. 2. It encourages guys to 'play a role' rather than just improve themselves or find someone who appreciates who they are. 3. It furthers psychological misgivings about courting that are apparently destructive to individuals and society at large. To be fair not all of it comes from this angle, but more than enough to besmirch the entirety of the subject to the general public. If someone is trying to 'hook up' with 'lots of' chicks without the intention of pursuing a relationship of value, the guy is pretty much a creep. | ||
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caelym
United States6430 Posts
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MarlieChurphy
United States2065 Posts
Besides, this kid and those pua communities are just as confused as anyone else who simply doesn't understand basic psychology and human behaviors. These stereotypical things that women are attracted to are mostly just nonsense. This kid had no status, was super shy weird and awkward, and was mentally unstable as fuck, jealous and envious of everything, and had no idea what a male female relationship was like at all since his mom neglected or abandoned him. The only girl he could even hope to get would be is an equally messed up chick at at alanon meeting or something. Even if this guy looked like brad pitt, his personality is repulsive to anyone, and obviously weighs more on random encounters of people he meets. He needed treatment and probably meds. Not enough people know anything about how to see warning signs, how to manage, how to get people to the proper avenues, even authorities aren't trained on these things. People just knee jerk react with anger and aggression. Here is another example of mentally disturbed person being ridiculed and attacked instead of helped. http://gawker.com/philly-man-caught-on-video-masturbating-on-city-bus-1572529449 or this http://www.break.com/video/crazy-woman-thinks-mail-man-is-stalking-her-2505114 etc etc People like this are clearly troubled and the majority has no idea how to react as they weren't taught how to deal with stuff like this. | ||
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Emerson_H
United States460 Posts
"How could an inferior, ugly black boy be able to get a white girl and not me? I am beautiful, and I am half white myself. I am descended from British aristocracy. He is descended from slaves. I deserve it more. I tried not to believe his foul words, but they were already said, and it was hard to erase from my mind. If this is actually true, if this ugly black filth was able to have sex with a blonde white girl at the age of thirteen while I’ve had to suffer virginity all my life, then this just proves how ridiculous the female gender is. They would give themselves to this filthy scum, but they reject ME? The injustice! Females truly have something mentally wrong with them. Their minds are flawed, and at this point in my life I was beginning to see it. The more I explored my college town of Isla Vista, the more ridiculousness I witnessed. All of the hot, beautiful girls walked around with obnoxious, tough jock-type men who partied all the time and acted crazy. They should be going for intelligent gentlemen such as myself. Women are sexually attracted to the wrong type of man. This is a major flaw in the very foundation of humanity. It is completely and utterly wrong, in every sense of the word. As these truths fully dawned on me, I became deeply disturbed by them. Deeply disturbed, offended, and traumatized." The guy was truly bonkers. | ||
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heliusx
United States2306 Posts
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MarlieChurphy
United States2065 Posts
That is the problem here. | ||
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Xiphos
Canada7507 Posts
On May 27 2014 10:55 GreenHorizons wrote: I think some of the problems with a lot of PUA type stuff is 1. A lot of it comes from a pretty misogynistic place. 2. It encourages guys to 'play a role' rather than just improve themselves or find someone who appreciates who they are. 3. It furthers psychological misgivings about courting that are apparently destructive to individuals and society at large. To be fair not all of it comes from this angle, but more than enough to besmirch the entirety of the subject to the general public. If someone is trying to 'hook up' with 'lots of' chicks without the intention of pursuing a relationship of value, the guy is pretty much a creep. Men like to have sex with attractive women. And not a lot men who learned PUA type stuff is to actually increase his chances with the women of his dream but thought that he can't offer much in terms of charms and charisma. Only a few men in the tiniest fraction is make banging chicks a "job" to do. A lot of men go to PUA because they are misogynistic as they couldn't understand the psychology of a women and get frustrated by their lack of understanding. But PUA teaches the mind of a girl so people came out of it with a more balanced view. Women likes those "role" those men plays because it is an interesting persona. The more you "roleplay", you become that role and appears genuine. And you can't just remain "who you are" but rather it should be "who is your best version of yourself" to constant seek improvement on yourself. That's kind of like saying a homeless person should stay who they are. And those "role" that one chooses IS their best version of attraction so that's actively improving themselves. On your third point, that's kind of what happened to Elliot in that his mind still reconcile with the thinking process of a girl but Elliot is mentally illed with Asperger's syndrome and extreme sociopathic behavior by even convincing the cops that he is sane. So this is an exception case for him personally. I think PUA is all about the mindset of the person performing. Some would just want to get laid without getting into a relationship. There is nothing wrong with that, women want to get laid as well without those restrictions. As matter of fact, the rise of feminism have increased more women to get into the mindset that they don't exactly need to be in a relationship, they can be independent but still humans are evolved/designed to have sex. Both gender have urges and feminism helps the decrease of gender codependency. | ||
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Yorbon
Netherlands4272 Posts
On May 27 2014 11:03 MarlieChurphy wrote: How would you say one should react to stuff like this? I mean, it seemed the people in your examples couldn't be reasoned with. (How) would you tell the person in the bus to stop? Or the person that accuses you of stalking to go away? Who would you call to get them help? Xiphos don't degenerate this topic into anything other than him being mentally unstable and not getting proper treatment. It doesn't matter what he subscribed to or disagreed with, being unstable warps his perception of whatever it is. Video games, PUA, society, politics, whatever. It's all just a superficial topical argument for the uninformed. Besides, this kid and those pua communities are just as confused as anyone else who simply doesn't understand basic psychology and human behaviors. These stereotypical things that women are attracted to are mostly just nonsense. This kid had no status, was super shy weird and awkward, and was mentally unstable as fuck, jealous and envious of everything, and had no idea what a male female relationship was like at all since his mom neglected or abandoned him. The only girl he could even hope to get would be is an equally messed up chick at at alanon meeting or something. Even if this guy looked like brad pitt, his personality is repulsive to anyone, and obviously weighs more on random encounters of people he meets. He needed treatment and probably meds. Not enough people know anything about how to see warning signs, how to manage, how to get people to the proper avenues, even authorities aren't trained on these things. People just knee jerk react with anger and aggression. Here is another example of mentally disturbed person being ridiculed and attacked instead of helped. http://gawker.com/philly-man-caught-on-video-masturbating-on-city-bus-1572529449 or this http://www.break.com/video/crazy-woman-thinks-mail-man-is-stalking-her-2505114 etc etc People like this are clearly troubled and the majority has no idea how to react as they weren't taught how to deal with stuff like this. | ||
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Xiphos
Canada7507 Posts
Scenerio one: Saturday morning, a couple get up in the morning. Girl ask the men about what's the plan for the day. Guy says: "I don't know, haven't really thought about it." Scenerio two: Same day, same thing asked by the girl. The guy answers with confidence "Oh, let's go to that new Italian restaurent place that opened up last week and then later we can catch that new movie about Jesus Christ." Which scenerio do you think the girl will be attracted to? The first scenerio is the average answer from an average men. The 2nd answer is clearly given by a men of sophiscated tastes, social awareness and have an interesting life. The girl would obviously be more captivated by the 2nd one. There are communities out there to improve men's lifestyle in such ways and they aren't "confused" as you make them sound to be. And no one should shame someone to learn the method of improvement. | ||
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OuchyDathurts
United States4588 Posts
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Xiphos
Canada7507 Posts
On May 27 2014 11:28 OuchyDathurts wrote: There's a difference between self improvement and playing a fake character. If you're being a fake to score pussy you should indeed be shamed. "Playing a fake character". Everytime you go to a gym and you say "Oh boy, there is no way I can lift that much." but your coach tell you that "Yes you can!" and keeps pushing you to do it even though you still think that you personally can't do it that someone else can. But he encourage you to have the same mindset as those guys better than ya. You have to fake a character to get our of your current comfort zone in order to gain the confidence for self-improvement. Or company A that copying the management strategy of company B because company B is generating more profits. "Stop faking it, company A! We all know that you are just a little sore loser with all those bankruptcy! There is no need to try harder!" If a person is trying to get what he wants in a legal manner, who are you to judge him? | ||
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MarlieChurphy
United States2065 Posts
On May 27 2014 11:20 Yorbon wrote: How would you say one should react to stuff like this? I mean, it seemed the people in your examples couldn't be reasoned with. (How) would you tell the person in the bus to stop? Or the person that accuses you of stalking to go away? Who would you call to get them help? That I don't know. Me personally might take time out of my day to follow the person or get their information so it could be given to the proper authorities. There is a network out there for everything, it just needs to be shown to some people since they clearly aren't capable or don't know how to get help themselves. | ||
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Coppermantis
United States845 Posts
On May 27 2014 11:33 Xiphos wrote: "Playing a fake character". Everytime you go to a gym and you say "Oh boy, there is no way I can lift that much." but your coach tell you that "Yes you can!" and keeps pushing you to do it even though you still think that you personally can't do it that someone else can. But he encourage you to have the same mindset as those guys better than ya. You have to fake a character to get our of your current comfort zone in order to gain the confidence for self-improvement. I feel like there's a difference between pushing yourself to an eventual goal and tricking a girl into thinking that you're different than you are so that she'll sleep with you. | ||
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OuchyDathurts
United States4588 Posts
On May 27 2014 11:33 Xiphos wrote: "Playing a fake character". Everytime you go to a gym and you say "Oh boy, there is no way I can lift that much." but your coach tell you that "Yes you can!" and keeps pushing you to do it even though you still think that you personally can't do it that someone else can. But he encourage you to have the same mindset as those guys better than ya. You have to fake a character to get our of your current comfort zone in order to gain the confidence for self-improvement. Ummm, I've never had to fake a character for anything so I'm not quite sure what you're on about. You don't have to fake shit, you just do it. I don't play roles, life isn't a TV show. If you actually want to go to a new Italian joint and watch a movie about god then cool beans. If you're just saying that to sound interesting and get laid you're fake as fuck and not actually improving yourself in any manner. There's a massive difference there. Yay for edits On May 27 2014 11:33 Xiphos wrote: Or company A that copying the management strategy of company B because company B is generating more profits. "Stop faking it, company A! We all know that you are just a little sore loser with all those bankruptcy! There is no need to try harder!" If a person is trying to get what he wants in a legal manner, who are you to judge him? You understand the difference between real life and pretend right? If company A is a better company and your company sucks its logical to want to take on a better business structure. That actually improves your company. PRETENDING to be like company A for image purposes while not actually wanting to improve makes you pathetic. I can judge whoever I want. If someone is fake I'll call them out on it, its generally pretty easy to see through. How about genuinely trying to be a better person and not just pretending to be a better person? The first way makes the world a better place the second is just pathetic. | ||
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MarlieChurphy
United States2065 Posts
On May 27 2014 11:23 Xiphos wrote: MarlieChurphy, Scenerio one: Saturday morning, a couple get up in the morning. Girl ask the men about what's the plan for the day. Guy says: "I don't know, haven't really thought about it." Scenerio two: Same day, same thing asked by the girl. The guy answers with confidence "Oh, let's go to that new Italian restaurent place that opened up last week and then later we can catch that new movie about Jesus Christ." Which scenerio do you think the girl will be attracted to? The first scenerio is the average answer from an average men. The 2nd answer is clearly given by a men of sophiscated tastes, social awareness and have an interesting life. The girl would obviously be more captivated by the 2nd one. There are communities out there to improve men's lifestyle in such ways and they aren't "confused" as you make them sound to be. And no one should shame someone to learn the method of improvement. What the hell does this have to do with anything? This guy is disturbed so any other thing is extraneous and arguably irrelevant. This isn't about his inability to attract women or whatever. This is much deeper issue of his psyche. Girls not being attracted to him is because he's nuts and on top of that he is sounds and acts gay, his non verbal communication is strange, he uses a lot of the same words over and over to sound important or aloof/pretentious. And nuts being the things I named before, narcissist, totally warped view of reality (appearance being most important thing), etc. etc. I mean just watch this video. | ||
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