EPTDBZ Power Level List (and discussions) - Page 9
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Boonbag
France3318 Posts
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Uhnno
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LegalLord
United Kingdom13775 Posts
On September 23 2013 22:51 kwizach wrote: How would Goku know he needs to teleport him to a red sun? I suppose he could always ask his universe-observing friends. Also, they can sense energy, so I don't see why he couldn't tell that Superman is drawing energy from the sun. On September 24 2013 00:26 Boonbag wrote: I just want to say eventho it's not totally related that I had to endure the last OAV of dbz the other day with some people and it was utter and complete shit. Don't make the same fucking mistake. Which one is that? Last one I remember was Episode of Bardock, which was pretty good as far as DBZ films go. | ||
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Musicus
Germany23576 Posts
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Mohdoo
United States15645 Posts
On September 24 2013 05:10 Musicus wrote: I was going to watch Battle of Gods soon... should I really not? You should. I think we all owe it to dbz to watch it. I didn't think it was so bad. Was NOT what I hoped for, but I gotta take what I can get. I'm no worse off after watching it :p | ||
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Canucklehead
Canada5074 Posts
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omgimonfire15
United States233 Posts
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FT.aCt)Sony
United States1047 Posts
I've attached a spoiler below with the correct numbering from DBZ (if you want a DB and a GT let me know. Even though GT is a total failure.) + Show Spoiler + Time: Raditz Battle Farmer 5 Gohan 1-710 Gohan really angry 1, 130 Goku 334 Goku without heavy clothes 416 Goku Kamehameha 924 Krillin 206 Master Roshi 160 Piccolo 322 Piccolo without weighted clothes 408 Piccolo Makankosappo (first try) 1,330 Piccolo Makankosappo (second try) 1,440 Raditz 1,200 Tien 250 Turtle 0.001 Yamcha 177 Time: Saiya-jin Battle Chaozu 610 Gohan 981 Masenko 2,800 Oozaru 9,810-28,000 Goku 5,000 Goku charged up 8,000 Goku Kaio-Ken 12,000 Goku Kaio-Ken x2 16,000 Goku Kaio-Ken x3 24,000 Goku Kaio-Ken x4+Kamehameha 32,000 Krillin 1,083 - max 1,770 Nappa 4,000 Piccolo 1,220 - max 3,500 Saibamen 1,200 Tien 1,830 Vegeta 18,000 Oozaru 180,000 Yamcha 1,480 Time: Freeza Saga Gohan 1,500 Gohan after Guru charge 12,500 Gohan after Senzu Heal 17,000 Gohan while fighting Freeza 20,000 Krillin 1,500 Krillin after Guru's charge 11,000 Krillin after Senzu Heal 16,500 Krillin after Dende's Heal 19,000 Freeza's Henchmen 500 Kui 19,000 Dodoria 21,000 Zarbon 23,000 - Transformed 33,000 Vegeta 24,000 Vegeta after Zarbon Fight 35,000 Vegeta after Recoome Fight 300,000 Vegeta after Krillin's Attack 1,000,000 Guldo 10,000 Recoome 40,000 Burter 45,000 Jeice 50,000 Captain Ginyu 120,000 Ginyu In Goku's Body 23,000 Nail 42,000 Dende 10 Piccolo 200,000 Piccolo after fusion with Nail 800,000 Piccolo after Dende Heal 1,500,000 Goku 5,000 Goku after gravity training 180,000 Goku after Ginyu fight 300,000 Goku kaio-Ken x10 3,000,000 Goku kaio-Ken x20 6,000,000 Goku Super Saiyan 15,000,000 Freiza 530,000 Freiza form 2 1,000,000 Freiza form 3 2,500,000 Freiza final Form 4,000,000 Freiza 50% of max 6,000,000 Freiza 70% of max 8,400,000 Freiza 100% of max 12,000,000 Time: Garlic Jr. Saga Garlic Jr. 1,000,000 Garlic Jr. transformed 4,000,000 Gohan 900,000 Gohan really masenko 4,500,000 Kami 300,000 Krillin 600,000 Piccolo 2,000,000 Time: Trunks Saga Vegeta 4,000,000 Piccolo 3,000,000 Gohan 1,000,000 Krillin 750,000 Tien 800,000 Yamcha 700,000 Chaozu 500,000 Freeza's Henchmen 5,000 Freeza bot 12,500,000 King Cold 13,000,000 Super Saiya-jin Trunks 18,000,000 Surpressed 5 Super Saiya-jin Goku 20,000,000 Time: Android Saga Super Saiyan Goku 23,000,000 Goku sick 5,000,000 Goku after room of spirit and time 110,000,000 Super Saiyan Vegeta 25,000,000 Vegeta after room of spirit and time 90,000,00 Super Saiya-jin Trunks 20,000,000 Trunks Ultra Super Saiyan 130,000,000 Piccolo 18,000,000 Piccolo after fusion with Kami 40,000,000 Gohan 6,000,000 Gohan after room of spirit and time 120,000,000 Krillin 4,500,000 Tien 4,000,000 Yamcha 3,000,000 Android 16 40,000,000 Android 17 35,000,000 Android 18 35,000,000 Android 19 10,000,000 Android 20 5,000,000 Cell 35,000,000 Cell after absorbing humans 45,000,000 Cell after absorbing Android 17 65,000,000 Perfect Cell 125,000,000 Time: Cell Saga Super Saiyan Trunks 105,000,000 Super Saiyan Vegeta 100,000,000 Super Saiyan Gohan 130,000,000 SSJ2 Gohan 325,000,000 Super Saiyan Goku 120,000,000 Piccolo 60,000,000 Perfect Cell 125,000,000 Super Perfect Cell 300,000,000 Majin Buu Saga Fat Buu: 45,000,000 Majin Buu: 80,000,000 Good Buu: 55,000,000 Bad Buu: 65,000,000 Super Buu: 70,000,000 Ultimate Buu: 50,000,000 Majin Gotunks Buu: 90,000,000 Majin Veggetto Buu: 100,000,000 Goku: 5,000,000 Goku: super saiyan: 27,000,000 Goku: super saiyan 2: 49,500,000 Goku: super saiyan 3: 79,999,999 Goku: genki-dama: 100,000,000 Piccolo: 26,000,000 Gohan: 3,000,000 Gohan: super saiyan: 25,000,000 Gohan: with the Z sword: 53,000,000 Goten: 1,500,000 Goten: super saiyan: 10,000,000 Trunks: 1,500,000 Trunks: super saiyan: 10,000,000 Gotunks: 3,000,000 Gotunks: super saiyan: 20,000,000 Gotunks: super saiyan 3: 75,000,000 Vegeta: 5,000,000 Vegeta: super saiyan: 26,500,000 Vegeta: super saiyan 2: 49,000,000 Veggetto: 10,000,000 Veggetto: super saiyan: 53,000,000 Veggetto: super saiyan 2: 99,500,000 | ||
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Musicus
Germany23576 Posts
On September 24 2013 05:24 Mohdoo wrote: You should. I think we all owe it to dbz to watch it. I didn't think it was so bad. Was NOT what I hoped for, but I gotta take what I can get. I'm no worse off after watching it :p On September 24 2013 05:27 Canucklehead wrote: I enjoyed battle of gods. It's worth watching for any dbz fan. Ok that's all I need, thanks! | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On September 24 2013 05:33 FT.aCt)Sony wrote: Just going through the list you have alot of numbers that are way off. Example is Goku super sayain during Freiza saga is 15 million not 150 million. So you can make alot of adjustments on it. I've attached a spoiler below with the correct numbering from DBZ (if you want a DB and a GT let me know. Even though GT is a total failure.) + Show Spoiler + Time: Raditz Battle Farmer 5 Gohan 1-710 Gohan really angry 1, 130 Goku 334 Goku without heavy clothes 416 Goku Kamehameha 924 Krillin 206 Master Roshi 160 Piccolo 322 Piccolo without weighted clothes 408 Piccolo Makankosappo (first try) 1,330 Piccolo Makankosappo (second try) 1,440 Raditz 1,200 Tien 250 Turtle 0.001 Yamcha 177 Time: Saiya-jin Battle Chaozu 610 Gohan 981 Masenko 2,800 Oozaru 9,810-28,000 Goku 5,000 Goku charged up 8,000 Goku Kaio-Ken 12,000 Goku Kaio-Ken x2 16,000 Goku Kaio-Ken x3 24,000 Goku Kaio-Ken x4+Kamehameha 32,000 Krillin 1,083 - max 1,770 Nappa 4,000 Piccolo 1,220 - max 3,500 Saibamen 1,200 Tien 1,830 Vegeta 18,000 Oozaru 180,000 Yamcha 1,480 Time: Freeza Saga Gohan 1,500 Gohan after Guru charge 12,500 Gohan after Senzu Heal 17,000 Gohan while fighting Freeza 20,000 Krillin 1,500 Krillin after Guru's charge 11,000 Krillin after Senzu Heal 16,500 Krillin after Dende's Heal 19,000 Freeza's Henchmen 500 Kui 19,000 Dodoria 21,000 Zarbon 23,000 - Transformed 33,000 Vegeta 24,000 Vegeta after Zarbon Fight 35,000 Vegeta after Recoome Fight 300,000 Vegeta after Krillin's Attack 1,000,000 Guldo 10,000 Recoome 40,000 Burter 45,000 Jeice 50,000 Captain Ginyu 120,000 Ginyu In Goku's Body 23,000 Nail 42,000 Dende 10 Piccolo 200,000 Piccolo after fusion with Nail 800,000 Piccolo after Dende Heal 1,500,000 Goku 5,000 Goku after gravity training 180,000 Goku after Ginyu fight 300,000 Goku kaio-Ken x10 3,000,000 Goku kaio-Ken x20 6,000,000 Goku Super Saiyan 15,000,000 Freiza 530,000 Freiza form 2 1,000,000 Freiza form 3 2,500,000 Freiza final Form 4,000,000 Freiza 50% of max 6,000,000 Freiza 70% of max 8,400,000 Freiza 100% of max 12,000,000 Time: Garlic Jr. Saga Garlic Jr. 1,000,000 Garlic Jr. transformed 4,000,000 Gohan 900,000 Gohan really masenko 4,500,000 Kami 300,000 Krillin 600,000 Piccolo 2,000,000 Time: Trunks Saga Vegeta 4,000,000 Piccolo 3,000,000 Gohan 1,000,000 Krillin 750,000 Tien 800,000 Yamcha 700,000 Chaozu 500,000 Freeza's Henchmen 5,000 Freeza bot 12,500,000 King Cold 13,000,000 Super Saiya-jin Trunks 18,000,000 Surpressed 5 Super Saiya-jin Goku 20,000,000 Time: Android Saga Super Saiyan Goku 23,000,000 Goku sick 5,000,000 Goku after room of spirit and time 110,000,000 Super Saiyan Vegeta 25,000,000 Vegeta after room of spirit and time 90,000,00 Super Saiya-jin Trunks 20,000,000 Trunks Ultra Super Saiyan 130,000,000 Piccolo 18,000,000 Piccolo after fusion with Kami 40,000,000 Gohan 6,000,000 Gohan after room of spirit and time 120,000,000 Krillin 4,500,000 Tien 4,000,000 Yamcha 3,000,000 Android 16 40,000,000 Android 17 35,000,000 Android 18 35,000,000 Android 19 10,000,000 Android 20 5,000,000 Cell 35,000,000 Cell after absorbing humans 45,000,000 Cell after absorbing Android 17 65,000,000 Perfect Cell 125,000,000 Time: Cell Saga Super Saiyan Trunks 105,000,000 Super Saiyan Vegeta 100,000,000 Super Saiyan Gohan 130,000,000 SSJ2 Gohan 325,000,000 Super Saiyan Goku 120,000,000 Piccolo 60,000,000 Perfect Cell 125,000,000 Super Perfect Cell 300,000,000 Majin Buu Saga Fat Buu: 45,000,000 Majin Buu: 80,000,000 Good Buu: 55,000,000 Bad Buu: 65,000,000 Super Buu: 70,000,000 Ultimate Buu: 50,000,000 Majin Gotunks Buu: 90,000,000 Majin Veggetto Buu: 100,000,000 Goku: 5,000,000 Goku: super saiyan: 27,000,000 Goku: super saiyan 2: 49,500,000 Goku: super saiyan 3: 79,999,999 Goku: genki-dama: 100,000,000 Piccolo: 26,000,000 Gohan: 3,000,000 Gohan: super saiyan: 25,000,000 Gohan: with the Z sword: 53,000,000 Goten: 1,500,000 Goten: super saiyan: 10,000,000 Trunks: 1,500,000 Trunks: super saiyan: 10,000,000 Gotunks: 3,000,000 Gotunks: super saiyan: 20,000,000 Gotunks: super saiyan 3: 75,000,000 Vegeta: 5,000,000 Vegeta: super saiyan: 26,500,000 Vegeta: super saiyan 2: 49,000,000 Veggetto: 10,000,000 Veggetto: super saiyan: 53,000,000 Veggetto: super saiyan 2: 99,500,000 Can you (and others) explain why non Super Saiyan forms are so "weak" and why the Super Saiyan has to have this huge multiplier? My observation during watching is (as I stated before) that the power spike is not as drastic after you first achieve Super Saiyan. | ||
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Uhnno
Netherlands288 Posts
On September 24 2013 05:33 FT.aCt)Sony wrote: Just going through the list you have alot of numbers that are way off. Example is Goku super sayain during Freiza saga is 15 million not 150 million. So you can make alot of adjustments on it. I've attached a spoiler below with the correct numbering from DBZ (if you want a DB and a GT let me know. Even though GT is a total failure.) + Show Spoiler + Time: Raditz Battle Farmer 5 Gohan 1-710 Gohan really angry 1, 130 Goku 334 Goku without heavy clothes 416 Goku Kamehameha 924 Krillin 206 Master Roshi 160 Piccolo 322 Piccolo without weighted clothes 408 Piccolo Makankosappo (first try) 1,330 Piccolo Makankosappo (second try) 1,440 Raditz 1,200 Tien 250 Turtle 0.001 Yamcha 177 Time: Saiya-jin Battle Chaozu 610 Gohan 981 Masenko 2,800 Oozaru 9,810-28,000 Goku 5,000 Goku charged up 8,000 Goku Kaio-Ken 12,000 Goku Kaio-Ken x2 16,000 Goku Kaio-Ken x3 24,000 Goku Kaio-Ken x4+Kamehameha 32,000 Krillin 1,083 - max 1,770 Nappa 4,000 Piccolo 1,220 - max 3,500 Saibamen 1,200 Tien 1,830 Vegeta 18,000 Oozaru 180,000 Yamcha 1,480 Time: Freeza Saga Gohan 1,500 Gohan after Guru charge 12,500 Gohan after Senzu Heal 17,000 Gohan while fighting Freeza 20,000 Krillin 1,500 Krillin after Guru's charge 11,000 Krillin after Senzu Heal 16,500 Krillin after Dende's Heal 19,000 Freeza's Henchmen 500 Kui 19,000 Dodoria 21,000 Zarbon 23,000 - Transformed 33,000 Vegeta 24,000 Vegeta after Zarbon Fight 35,000 Vegeta after Recoome Fight 300,000 Vegeta after Krillin's Attack 1,000,000 Guldo 10,000 Recoome 40,000 Burter 45,000 Jeice 50,000 Captain Ginyu 120,000 Ginyu In Goku's Body 23,000 Nail 42,000 Dende 10 Piccolo 200,000 Piccolo after fusion with Nail 800,000 Piccolo after Dende Heal 1,500,000 Goku 5,000 Goku after gravity training 180,000 Goku after Ginyu fight 300,000 Goku kaio-Ken x10 3,000,000 Goku kaio-Ken x20 6,000,000 Goku Super Saiyan 15,000,000 Freiza 530,000 Freiza form 2 1,000,000 Freiza form 3 2,500,000 Freiza final Form 4,000,000 Freiza 50% of max 6,000,000 Freiza 70% of max 8,400,000 Freiza 100% of max 12,000,000 Time: Garlic Jr. Saga Garlic Jr. 1,000,000 Garlic Jr. transformed 4,000,000 Gohan 900,000 Gohan really masenko 4,500,000 Kami 300,000 Krillin 600,000 Piccolo 2,000,000 Time: Trunks Saga Vegeta 4,000,000 Piccolo 3,000,000 Gohan 1,000,000 Krillin 750,000 Tien 800,000 Yamcha 700,000 Chaozu 500,000 Freeza's Henchmen 5,000 Freeza bot 12,500,000 King Cold 13,000,000 Super Saiya-jin Trunks 18,000,000 Surpressed 5 Super Saiya-jin Goku 20,000,000 Time: Android Saga Super Saiyan Goku 23,000,000 Goku sick 5,000,000 Goku after room of spirit and time 110,000,000 Super Saiyan Vegeta 25,000,000 Vegeta after room of spirit and time 90,000,00 Super Saiya-jin Trunks 20,000,000 Trunks Ultra Super Saiyan 130,000,000 Piccolo 18,000,000 Piccolo after fusion with Kami 40,000,000 Gohan 6,000,000 Gohan after room of spirit and time 120,000,000 Krillin 4,500,000 Tien 4,000,000 Yamcha 3,000,000 Android 16 40,000,000 Android 17 35,000,000 Android 18 35,000,000 Android 19 10,000,000 Android 20 5,000,000 Cell 35,000,000 Cell after absorbing humans 45,000,000 Cell after absorbing Android 17 65,000,000 Perfect Cell 125,000,000 Time: Cell Saga Super Saiyan Trunks 105,000,000 Super Saiyan Vegeta 100,000,000 Super Saiyan Gohan 130,000,000 SSJ2 Gohan 325,000,000 Super Saiyan Goku 120,000,000 Piccolo 60,000,000 Perfect Cell 125,000,000 Super Perfect Cell 300,000,000 Majin Buu Saga Fat Buu: 45,000,000 Majin Buu: 80,000,000 Good Buu: 55,000,000 Bad Buu: 65,000,000 Super Buu: 70,000,000 Ultimate Buu: 50,000,000 Majin Gotunks Buu: 90,000,000 Majin Veggetto Buu: 100,000,000 Goku: 5,000,000 Goku: super saiyan: 27,000,000 Goku: super saiyan 2: 49,500,000 Goku: super saiyan 3: 79,999,999 Goku: genki-dama: 100,000,000 Piccolo: 26,000,000 Gohan: 3,000,000 Gohan: super saiyan: 25,000,000 Gohan: with the Z sword: 53,000,000 Goten: 1,500,000 Goten: super saiyan: 10,000,000 Trunks: 1,500,000 Trunks: super saiyan: 10,000,000 Gotunks: 3,000,000 Gotunks: super saiyan: 20,000,000 Gotunks: super saiyan 3: 75,000,000 Vegeta: 5,000,000 Vegeta: super saiyan: 26,500,000 Vegeta: super saiyan 2: 49,000,000 Veggetto: 10,000,000 Veggetto: super saiyan: 53,000,000 Veggetto: super saiyan 2: 99,500,000 There are tons of things wrong in your list, especially during the Cell and Buu Saga, somehow everyone in Buu is weaker than Perfect Cell, when obviously that is not true. Even SSJ 3 Goku is weaker than Cell, who got his ass handed by SSJ2 Gohan. It's fun to make up numbers, but the official formulas have been ignored real badly. | ||
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LazerApe
Sweden206 Posts
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eshlow
United States5210 Posts
On September 24 2013 05:30 omgimonfire15 wrote: What I have always wanted to know is how power levels translate to speed, strength, endurance, etc. For instance, if it is strictly linear and power levels relate to speed, shouldn't everyone be many times the speed of light at the end of the series? If this is the case, why can cell trick them with solar flare? Their speed isn't even close to reaching relativistic speeds which is why characters that can approach the speed of light such as Superman would rape them in a fight. The relative feat we have is Gotenks went around the world a couple times and took a short nap before going to fight Buu.... so lets be generous and say he took at 20 minute nap of his 30 minute time limit and leaves a few minutes to fight Buu. That leaves circling the earth a couple times in a couple minutes to multiple minutes which is much much much much slower than the speed of light which goes around the earth 7 times in one second. Additionally, it takes all of the characters multiple minutes to arrive to these fights, which if they were moving anywhere close to the speed of light they should be able to near instantly reach these fights. The translation that they were moving many times the speed of light (I think it was raditz or someone in the anime) is completely wrong. Strength isn't that measurable except for the heavy weights and extra gravity but that's earlier in the series so you can't really put a number on it unfortunately. | ||
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Wrongspeedy
United States1655 Posts
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fuzzy_panda
New Zealand1681 Posts
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BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
On September 24 2013 05:44 Uhnno wrote: There are tons of things wrong in your list, especially during the Cell and Buu Saga, somehow everyone in Buu is weaker than Perfect Cell, when obviously that is not true. Even SSJ 3 Goku is weaker than Cell, who got his ass handed by SSJ2 Gohan. It's fun to make up numbers, but the official formulas have been ignored real badly. agree with this especially this part: Veggetto: super saiyan 2: 99,500,000 Perfect cell: 125,000,000 Super Perfect Cell 300,000,000 My thoughts were, what? cell is stronger than vegitto? The character who played around with Super Buu even kicking his ass when he was a piece of candy XD | ||
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Dazed.
Canada3301 Posts
On September 24 2013 14:19 BigFan wrote: To be fair he was a jaw breaker.agree with this especially this part: Veggetto: super saiyan 2: 99,500,000 Perfect cell: 125,000,000 Super Perfect Cell 300,000,000 My thoughts were, what? cell is stronger than vegitto? The character who played around with Super Buu even kicking his ass when he was a piece of candy XD | ||
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RyLai
United States477 Posts
On September 23 2013 19:49 Tobberoth wrote: It's not trolling, Akira Toriyama officially released powerlevels and put final form Frieza at 12 million while SSJ Goku sits at 15 million. It might not be logical, but it is official. I'll solve this problem with commonly used magic I call analytical comparison and basic math. Frieza form 2 is over 1 million. (Not debatable) Piccolo is stronger than Frieza Form 2, therefore, Piccolo is also over 1 million. (Not debatable.) In Goku's initial fight versus Frieza's final form, Piccolo states this is a fight outside of our league/realm of understanding. Also, at this point, Goku has yet to use Kaioken (the art's pretty noticeable), therefore, any number short of 1 million can't be debated to be true unless you live in a world where math doesn't exist. Goku uses Kaioken x20, and blows a Kamehameha at Frieza. Frieza blocks it with his hand, while claiming to be at 50% the entire time. Goku says he wasn't bluffing after all. This means, even if Frieza was wrong, he's not far off from being at 50% of his actual power. Ergo, 1+ million x 20 <= 50% Frieza, meaning Frieza's strength exceeds 40 million. Conclusion, doesn't quite matter if you don't believe Frieza to be at 120 million, you STILL can NEVER debate if you have any common sense that Frieza is anything short of 40 million at full power, meaning the 12 million power level publication is absolute bullshit or we're dealing with a different type of math that's not linear, which isn't true since AT isn't a mathematician and likely could never create such a formula to account for those numbers (and likely wouldn't care to, because to him, it's simple strength comparisons instead of throwing numbers on everything like I did, which means some of the stuff he wrote doesn't seem as ridiculous cause he never assigned a number to it). We assigned numbers to the characters after the creation of the story, which WILL create some weird numbers because of the multipliers at work. You could easily get away with it until someone stronger than a SS2 can go SS and even SS3 on top of it. On September 24 2013 05:33 FT.aCt)Sony wrote: Just going through the list you have alot of numbers that are way off. Example is Goku super sayain during Freiza saga is 15 million not 150 million. So you can make alot of adjustments on it. I've attached a spoiler below with the correct numbering from DBZ (if you want a DB and a GT let me know. Even though GT is a total failure.) Sorry you did all that work, but... The math and analysis I just did above means... Well... Your list is WAYYYYYYYYYYYY off... Ignoring all the inconsistencies everyone else pointed out before I even looked at it. It is mathematically impossible for Frieza to be 12 million at full power. Not improbable, not unlikely, not unimaginable, IMPOSSIBLE. Though you never made that statement, would you care to explain how Goku at 15 million could beat Frieza at 40+ million (and that's absolute minimal estimation) to the point where he could say, "I'm done. I know your pride is shattered by seeing someone stronger than you, and that's enough". If you could explain that, then we all might as well quit the numbers business with DBZ (yeah, we should've quit a long time ago, but hey it's fun and we can post numbers that mostly work with the storyline; yes some people pointing out things where we can only use the explanation of "plot", cause AT don't work with no numbers yo). On September 23 2013 22:07 Greenei wrote: I think Nappa needs to be higher, otherwise Piccolo could've dealt with him more easily. Also in Androidsaga SSJ Goku without desease should be better then SSJ Vegeta, because there is no reason to assume that Vegeta overtook Goku. ANd after the 1 year training Goku would obviously kick Vegetas butt. There was a listing of Nappa being at 7,500 at max power. I avoid it cause I can't find a manga citation, and forgot where it came from. If I find something somewhat reliable, I'll put it up with a note next to it. Oh, and Piccolo says he's probably stronger than Goku. I think Kami might've said it too. Piccolo trained with Goku for 3 years, and before mastered Super Saiyan, the Super Saiyan form is your max strength, you can't lower the strength without being injured or drained on energy (otherwise the mastered Super Saiyan shown during the Cell Games would have no meaning other than: plot). Basically, what I'm getting at is, Piccolo should have a pretty good idea of how strong Goku in Super Saiyan form should be. On September 23 2013 17:12 zeo wrote: Great thread. I was wondering, what would the power levels in the original Dragon Ball be like? Like Goku in monkey form ect. Monkey form Goku in its first appearance is at 100, base Goku at the start of DBZ is 10. Tien vs Goku, both were 180. Vs Piccolo Sr., both were 260. Off the top of my head. I might add a Dragonball section because I think Shonen Jump did throw out power levels for the DB characters. I just prefer not to cite numbers unless it was explicitly in the manga, implied in the manga, or Daizenshuu. On September 23 2013 17:13 Dazed_Spy wrote: 1) Ive always hated the Buu saga.  2) Everyone knows the split technique, and so Goku could do the same thing. Piccolo also knew this technique long before SSJ, and yet couldnt keep pace with Goku's training. Goku and Gohan also were implied to have trained together during the wait for the Androids, yet, again, by the power level increase Piccolo was easily more than doubling them. Through a technique they already knew? Your grasping at straws and you know it. 3) Theres no hint of him being a meglomaniac at all after he renounces his past, and [multiple times at that] the DBZ fighters arent training 'to be the best', but literally to defeat incoming threats which will kill them all and burn the planet to the ground. Whatever degree of warrior pride Piccolo had doesnt extend that far, hes not Vegeta for crying out loud. 4) Ive never heard anything about Goku not knowing split form, and given he learned the Kamamah wave [and basically everything, ever] in a split second, I highly doubt he cant do it. And more importantly, Tien/Krillin etc also know this technique, and should be able to outpace base sayans using it just as Piccolo did, but they fell behind instead. Unless this split form technique is only one "mysterious" part of Piccolos "mysterious" but never before mentioned and randomly discovered and never transmitted training regimine, inbetween the freiza and android sagas--- which he randomly stopped using despite increasing at dramatic rates that would surely see him surpass SSJ2 long before the Buu Saga. Sorry, no matter what way you splice it, whatever excuse is eventually banked on, its just contrived nonsense for bad writing. DBZ was entertaining as a kid but its not really a workable anime/manga in a rigid sense. I've yet to see Goku or Krillin use that technique in the manga, or even the anime. You must be referring to the afterimage technique. It's not even remotely close to the same thing. Looking back though, I haven't seen Piccolo use it in the manga. May have gotten that mixed up with the anime. Either way, plot. I'm not here to explain HOW they got this strong, just saying they're roughly this strong. How exactly they got there, you'd have to ask AT, and I'm willing to bet he'd either forgotten or he'd have to take some time to give a good reason you wouldn't even care to take, because everyone knowing the split technique is bullshit too, unless you'd like to cite the page where each of the characters uses it for me? After the fight with 17 and 18, Krillin says he feels like Piccolo's motivation is the just to be the strongest, rather than world domination. I don't have access to Japanese raws, and my Japanese isn't good enough to confirm it 100% even if I did, so I might be subject to mistranslation. On September 23 2013 19:20 Tobberoth wrote: Super Saiyajin, the japanese term for super saiyan. Yes, Ultimate Gohan and Mystic Gohan refers to the same form. I don't think it's actually ever named in the series, fans started calling it Mystic Gohan and then it was called "Ultimate gohan" in some video games. I saw one of the "databooks" (or maybe it was a Shonen Jump page) list it as Ultimate Gohan in Japanese. Could be the influence of the game though. I just took the Japanese name for it cause Ultimate Gohan being the strongest fighter sounds better than Mystic Gohan being the strongest fighter, cause one's "Ultimate". On September 23 2013 19:37 SolidMoose wrote: These numbers are way bigger than any other list I've seen. Particularly, the huge jump starts at Frieza where I've read 6 million at 50%, not 60 million. I've seen those same numbers, just with one less 0. Just did the math my love. Probably going to add that to the OP cause I'm tired of people with 0 research who don't care to analyze the situation themselves keep throwing this out there when there are more important issues to discuss, like whether SS kid Trunks could land a punch of SS Vegeta's face even if all Vegeta was doing was dodging. Seriously, there are more important issues to discuss that could make this list more accurate and we're arguing about Goku and Frieza not being in the 100 million zone... | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
One of the problems with the assumption that "Frieza must be XX" etc, is what if DBZ fighting is like Tennis? In tennis, even being slightly better at the game results in total domination. | ||
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Exitor45
United States72 Posts
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