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TheQuiff
Scotland91 Posts
I still have like 3 more episodes to watch tonight. Even then goku moved quickly and and couldnt be hut by the fastest member of the Ginyu gang. But Vegeta threw the DB and he caught it a Vegeta what shocked at his speed. It's hard to see if hes powerful at all. He feared for his life when he knew the Ginyu Gang were coming. So then he was weaker that Ginyu. Maybe its in the next 2 episode he does that powerup thing but he still weak atm. | ||
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RyLai
United States477 Posts
On September 24 2013 19:43 Olinimmm wrote: Btw why do you put SSJ gotenks pre>>>>>>>>>>Base gotenks post? It's heavily implied by both Gotenks and Piccolo that his base is superior to his SSJ pre rosat. Because, mathematically, unless Fusion has different SS multipliers, that means post-RoSaT Gotenks would've gotten stronger by at least 50 times. I honestly wish the Fusion SS multipliers were different (this is the exact reason why the numbers get ridiculous), but if I changed them without a strong suggestion of what the actual multiplier is, then I'd be doing what people who don't follow set multipliers do and be throwing out pure bullshit. At this point, I'm settling with bullshit supported by mathematical calculations. But yeah... I've found the parts that suggest that base Gotenks post-RoSaT>SS Gotenks pre-RoSaT... Damn it AT... Why were you so bad with math?! T.T This would mean Gotenks post-RoSaT is over 50x stronger than SS2 Majin Vegeta... That means SS3 Gotenks is over 20,000x stronger... That's 120 trillion... Err... Excuse me... "OVER" 120 trillion... I hate math right now... I hate it so much... However, this would also imply that Goten and Trunks got 50 times stronger (unless the Fusion dance equation is actually multiplication-based instead addition), which makes then... VEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERY scary little kids... Would mean Goten and Trunks>Goku and Vegeta... Even if I adjusted the numbers for Goku and Vegeta to compensate, a lot of the numbers have to be shifted around and it's still highly probable that Goten and Trunks will still end up stronger than Vegeta and Goku. O.O Also, this implies that somehow Goten and Trunks received a 50x boost in less than 2 weeks of training. Maybe the strength of the fusion itself is what became stronger, so the fusion multiplier got higher... Still, you see the giant mess that comes with making base Gotenks post-RoSaT just being even with SS Gotenks pre-RoSaT? I don't want to deal with that giant mess or the number inflation. Yeah, it's kinda bad... But if enough people support the numbers inflation and can come up with solutions to cleaning up the mess a bit, I'll update it... Cause at this point, it creates way more problems than it solves (which is 2 lines from Piccolo that creates one implication). | ||
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RyLai
United States477 Posts
On September 24 2013 20:06 TheQuiff wrote: Ahh okay. I still have like 3 more episodes to watch tonight. Even then goku moved quickly and and couldnt be hut by the fastest member of the Ginyu gang. But Vegeta threw the DB and he caught it a Vegeta what shocked at his speed. It's hard to see if hes powerful at all. He feared for his life when he knew the Ginyu Gang were coming. So then he was weaker that Ginyu. Maybe its in the next 2 episode he does that powerup thing but he still weak atm. If you don't mind the spoiler: + Show Spoiler + He demolishes Jiece after eating a Senzu bean and obtaining Zenkai, which entices Ginyu to try and swap bodies with Vegeta. So yeah, he gets a MASSIVE powerup. He also demolishes Ginyu in Goku's body, though that doesn't mean much, because Ginyu had a power level of 23,000 when using Goku's body (in the manga, don't know what number the anime posted). However, later, he fights Frieza in his first form and goes pretty even with him, which has some people list Vegeta at 530,000 instead of 250,000. This may or may not be true because we don't know if Frieza was at 100% in his first form. He easily could be, since he was PIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIISSed. But a counterargument is that Frieza came back from fighting Nail, where he says he won't go full out, so Frieza probably arrived at the scene short of full power. | ||
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TheQuiff
Scotland91 Posts
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RyLai
United States477 Posts
On September 24 2013 20:58 TheQuiff wrote: So did Vegeta obtain another senzu bean? Zenkai he can turn that on whenever he wants and i was led to believe it was only a temp thing not perm? + He get's stronger everytime he kills someone? It's permanent. Vegeta only got 1 Senzu Bean (after getting beat to a pulp by Recoome). He only gets Zenkai after getting beat half-to-death then recovering. He doesn't get stronger after he kills someone. You could technically get a Zenkai whenever you want if you have access to constant healing (Vegeta uses this tactic later in the story, and Goku used it during his training at 100g's; he constantly injured/trained himself to near death, then ate a Senzu Bean, which is why he had so few left when he arrived on Namek). You never see Vegeta's combat abilities after fighting Recoome until he fights Jiece and Ginyu. By that time, he fully surpassed Jiece. The only evidence we have that Vegeta surpassed Ginyu's original power is the V-Jump power level listing they have for him, but Vegeta's strength is likely over 60,000, since Ginyu estimates anyone who can shit on the regular members of the Ginyu force to be in that range, and well... Vegeta took a dump on Jiece. | ||
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Dazed.
Canada3301 Posts
edit: and holy shit once dende gets to earth? when beans run out you just make the plant-guy heal you. | ||
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RyLai
United States477 Posts
On September 25 2013 06:51 Dazed_Spy wrote: Zenkai is a load of shit. The second I, as a sayan, learned of it, and procured sensu beans for crying out loud--- I would just impale myself with my fist, and eat a bean. Continue onto infinity. Fuck training, I can just impale myself. edit: and holy shit once dende gets to earth? when beans run out you just make the plant-guy heal you. Goku basically did that on his trip to Namek. Vegeta did that in his battle with Frieza. The bonus seemed to disappear or at least have significantly reduced effectiveness once they unlocked the Super Saiyan form. A fractional increase like it was at the beginning was fine, but when it started getting ridiculous was when the Ginyu Force arrived. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
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RyLai
United States477 Posts
On September 25 2013 16:22 Shikyo wrote: But, but... Where is Broly? T_T I didn't do movie characters for obvious reasons (they often don't fit well into the story line). Some are easier to fit than others though (first Broly movie, Fusion Reborn, and Battle of Gods). For a lot of the more sketchy ones, we have to rely on movie pamphlet numbers, or other sketchy, but published, numbers. That being said, I calculated Broly's power to be around 2.8 billion (probably closer to 2.5 billion, but it's in the ballpark of 2.8). You might ask why Broly shit-stomped everyone and is still ranked lower than SS2 Gohan (and even Perfect Cell, which is just how the numbers turned out). Broly was dominating 2 Super Saiyans, 2 Ascended Super Saiyans, and a "Super" Namekian. All of those 5 listed fighters were outclassed (with the possible exception of 100% SS Goku) by Cell's spawns - the Cell Jrs. SS2 Gohan DEMOLISHED (well beyond what Broly did to the Saiyan hit squad) the Cell Jrs. Gohan demonstrated a greater domination of a larger number of fighters that were superior to the ones Broly fought. Conclusion: SS2 Gohan would DESTROY Broly in a fight. | ||
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obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
Also it was humorous that this turned into a goku vs superman discussion for a while. | ||
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massivez
Belgium653 Posts
Who do you guys think had the best charachter arc? For me it was Gohan from the beginning of DBZ, a little child with a power lvl of 1 at the start into losing his father at a very young age, into beïng thrown to the wolves by Piccolo in the battle against the saiyans. He sees Krillin, Piccolo and Goku(2 times) die all before the age of 11. Always comes short too saving his friends until het let's it all go in the end to finish Cell and save the earth. Perfect ending imo. I even pretend Buu saga didn't happen. | ||
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bo1b
Australia12814 Posts
On September 26 2013 03:39 massivez wrote: Yeh, the power gains of base saiyans in the Namek saga where insane. Or rage Gohan for an example from having no chance to beat any of the ginyu members to almost killing Frieza's second transformation after 1 zenkai. Who do you guys think had the best charachter arc? For me it was Gohan from the beginning of DBZ, a little child with a power lvl of 1 at the start into losing his father at a very young age, into beïng thrown to the wolves by Piccolo in the battle against the saiyans. He sees Krillin, Piccolo and Goku(2 times) die all before the age of 11. Always comes short too saving his friends until het let's it all go in the end to finish Cell and save the earth. Perfect ending imo. I even pretend Buu saga didn't happen. I'm almost 100% convinced that was going to be the original ending point of dbz. | ||
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bo1b
Australia12814 Posts
#hercule satan | ||
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NewSunshine
United States5938 Posts
On September 26 2013 03:56 bo1b wrote: I'm almost 100% convinced that was going to be the original ending point of dbz. It probably was at first. When they did the remaster, Dragonball Z Kai, that's where it stopped, and as an ending, it's just so much better. | ||
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massivez
Belgium653 Posts
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NewSunshine
United States5938 Posts
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
Oh by the way, Final Flash is still stronger than anything Gohan showed. Oh and about Gohan's storyline, I really liked the very early part where Piccolo seemed like an asshole but grew close with Gohan and then sacrificed himself to save him | ||
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RyLai
United States477 Posts
On September 26 2013 01:35 obesechicken13 wrote: According to the math Vegito should be stronger than anything in the forseeable future/ the next saga. Seems a bit unfair. You could fuse piccolo with yamcha and get someone Buu level. Maybe not Yamcha. There's no way Vegito is stronger than Buriel. That equation is so broken lol. Also it was humorous that this turned into a goku vs superman discussion for a while. Piccolo fused with Yamcha doesn't get rival bonus, so they likely wouldn't be remotely as strong. Remember Kibito and Kaioshin (Supreme Kai)? They're STILL weaker than all of the Saiyans cause of no rival/compatibility bonus. And yes, Vegito SHOULD be stronger than anything that can come in ANY future that has Goku and Vegeta being alive (this should tell you where I stand on the Vegito vs Billis argument). Vegito>All. On September 26 2013 04:54 NewSunshine wrote: It probably was at first. When they did the remaster, Dragonball Z Kai, that's where it stopped, and as an ending, it's just so much better. Actually, DBZ Kai stopped at the end of the Cell Games because it was cancelled due to low ratings in Japan. (I'm guessing all the hardcore DBZ fans protested and bailed at the thought of a third iteration of the Buu Saga.) I personally like SS3 and the concept of Ultimate Gohan (though his potential SHOULD'VE been unlocked by Guru, his turning Super Saiyan, or when he became Super Saiyan 2 for the first time. On September 26 2013 05:04 massivez wrote: Frieza was the original intended ending. After that the Cell saga. Should've ended there. Someone deserves a Senzu Bean! | ||
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NewSunshine
United States5938 Posts
On September 26 2013 06:20 RyLai wrote: Actually, DBZ Kai stopped at the end of the Cell Games because it was cancelled due to low ratings in Japan. (I'm guessing all the hardcore DBZ fans protested and bailed at the thought of a third iteration of the Buu Saga.) LOL, I didn't know that. Buu saga was bad in comparison, yeah. I mean, I saw all of it when I was still a kid, so I still love all of it, but that I get. | ||
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arb
Noobville17922 Posts
On September 25 2013 06:51 Dazed_Spy wrote: Zenkai is a load of shit. The second I, as a sayan, learned of it, and procured sensu beans for crying out loud--- I would just impale myself with my fist, and eat a bean. Continue onto infinity. Fuck training, I can just impale myself. edit: and holy shit once dende gets to earth? when beans run out you just make the plant-guy heal you. he does expressly state it cant be self inflicted it has to be done by someone else | ||
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