EPTAlso 70% Billis > Super Saiyan God so I guess either Billis is more than 70 trillions or Goku is under
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Lylat
France8575 Posts
Also 70% Billis > Super Saiyan God so I guess either Billis is more than 70 trillions or Goku is under | ||
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RyLai
United States477 Posts
On September 23 2013 06:40 MoonfireSpam wrote: Mm well depending on how good the sub I watched was, Whis said Bills went at 70% tops. Power levels always seem a bit wierd since although its like "fighting potential", I'm sure there's been a few instances where people of lesser power can just expend all their power in one go and potentially kill people more "powerful". I guess it's a bit like Joules vs Watts. As per any discussion like this: EVERYONE EXCEPT ME IS WRONG!!!!!11!1!!1111!!!11111oneoneone Yeah, that's the argument I used to solve the Trunks barely stronger than Frieza problem. To be honest, I have trouble believing Trunks was as strong as Goku on Namek when he met him. Maybe he was, in-fact, stronger. I admitted that there was bias on my part to try and reduce the inflation of the numbers. In the end, Goku's base value should be much lower than 120 million, but I'm well within that limit, sooooooooo... On September 23 2013 06:39 blade55555 wrote: haha except that SSJ3 was = to buu where gohan smashed his face  Wrong my dear. SS3 < Super Buu << Ultimate Gohan. Oh, unless you mean Gotenks, who is stronger than SS2 Goku, then you're right, SS3 = Super Buu << Ultimate Gohan. But for Goku, he's only roughly equal to Kid Buu, both of whom are vastly inferior to Super Buu, simply because Super Buu must be vastly superior to base Gotenks and Gotenks has a 400x multiplier for SS3 before he goes even to Super Buu. =.= | ||
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Musicus
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Paperplane
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Superouman
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RyLai
United States477 Posts
On September 23 2013 06:46 Lylat wrote: How can you say that Vegito is stronger than Gogeta when in Vegito Vegeta has the upper hand while in Gogeta Goku has the upper hand and Goku >>>>> Vegeta ? Also 70% Billis > Super Saiyan God so I guess either Billis is more than 70 trillions or Goku is under Vegito is stronger because the Potara fusion mechanic creates a MUCH STRONGER fusion than the Fusion dance counterpart. I used to be part of the Gogeta>Vegito camp too until I read it for myself in the manga. I think it's mentioned in the anime too. And yeah, Billis does beat Goku using only 70%. But at the same time, Goku finishes off the fight in Super Saiyan, not Super Saiyan God form. Though if you had to put your money on it, I'd tell you bet on 70% Billis. I guess I'd rather say Goku is under 70 million, but this way sort of gives an easier idea of what the numbers are. Of course, Goku could be way under like he was against Frieza. Frieza went up to 70% and Goku was at 3 million and struggling. | ||
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JustPassingBy
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Also kind of disappointed with the whole Super Saiyan god, I had hoped that all Saiyan's would've fused together... | ||
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Musicus
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YumYumGranola
Canada346 Posts
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Witten
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RyLai
United States477 Posts
On September 23 2013 06:49 Musicus wrote: Why is Frieza's final from 60,000,000 - 120,000,000? Wasn't it stated his power always doubles? So 4,000,000 - 8,000,000. http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/36558/731745-yehbiatch7zt.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.comicvine.com/forums/battles-7/hollow-ichigo-vs-ss-goku-29840/?page=3&h=1116&w=750&sz=316&tbnid=3Dvd-uNtaveJWM:&tbnh=90&tbnw=60&zoom=1&usg=__daYuawaiPww20Erh7sjUA-YcVY4=&docid=4B_IPFmSpefVVM&sa=X&ei=emc_UoKYKsewjAK2zIHgCg&ved=0CDgQ9QEwAQ Daizenshuu bitchesssss! But seriously, the power doubles thingy is a English dub thing. It's not real. Frieza's first iteration of his final form was like 3%, so 3.6 million. Don't know where to find it, so I didn't include it cause I was too lazy to confirm. Frieza's 100% is known to be 120 million. On September 23 2013 06:52 Superouman wrote: You didn't give any kind of source. You kind of show these numbers out of nowhere. Added source for the pre Trunks Saga numbers. It's as meticulous as I am about following basically only the manga, and anything else I only allow if it's reasonable and has no contradictions and at the very least was released in someone run by Shonen Jump (like King Kai being 3,500 and Vegeta being 250,000 after fighting Recoome). Everything after Trunks Saga is based on calculation and interpretation based on the story. Sadly, some people's words are less reliable than others (Vegeta). For example, the reason Goku's power in the Cell Games is so high, is because when he leaves the HBTC/RoSaT, he powers up to about half and surprises EVERYONE (including Vegeta, who was the strongest at the time, meaning he's at the very least stronger than Vegeta). So pick a number higher than Vegeta's, and double it without going absurdly high. Numbers in Buu saga are based off of well-known character strength comparisons. Power differential in difference of strength required to win a fight are based on fights with known power levels. On September 23 2013 06:50 Paperplane wrote: Where do all these numbers even come from? Didn't they stop saying powerlevels after the frieza arc? Yes, any power level list that includes post Frieza arc (aside from Trunks' power level of 5) is all left to interpretation within known limits (like base Goku not being any stronger than 120 million after the Buu Saga). | ||
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RyLai
United States477 Posts
On September 23 2013 07:01 YumYumGranola wrote: I thought Freiza final form was something in the range of 10 million? Not sure about your list bud, seems to me like an attempt to just rationalize the highest numbers you possible can :/ The original online publication of 12 million was a widespread publication of a well-known source's typo/mistranslation. I put up a French version of the Daizenshuu, and it lists Frieza as 120 million in a far more readable way than the Japanese version. (Japanese denominations were 10 thousands and 100 millions.) | ||
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JustPassingBy
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I thought he was at some point even weaker than Vegeta (without Kaioken), considering how Ginyu was beaten up so badly. | ||
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Musicus
Germany23576 Posts
On September 23 2013 07:07 JustPassingBy wrote: What the... how comes Goku's power increases over 30 fold between his arrival at namek and his fight before Frieza? I thought he was at some point even weaker than Vegeta (without Kaioken), considering how Ginyu was beaten up so badly. All Saiyans get a crazy power up after being close to death or something. | ||
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alypse
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RyLai
United States477 Posts
On September 23 2013 07:07 JustPassingBy wrote: What the... how comes Goku's power increases over 30 fold between his arrival at namek and his fight before Frieza? I thought he was at some point even weaker than Vegeta (without Kaioken), considering how Ginyu was beaten up so badly. 1) Plot, and Zenkai (the most overabused mechanic in the Frieza Arc, which proceeded to be useless after that until Cell's revival) 2) He was, according to V-Jump. Ginyu in Goku's body is at 23,000. Goku in his own body (before body swap) is 90,000, but he can go as high as 900,000 with Kaioken x10. After his battle with Recoome and a Senzu Bean, Vegeta was listed by V-Jump as being at 250,000. On September 23 2013 07:13 Musicus wrote: All Saiyans get a crazy power up after being close to death or something. Someone deserves a Senzu Bean! ^ | ||
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Musicus
Germany23576 Posts
On September 23 2013 07:15 RyLai wrote: 1) Plot, and Zenkai (the most overabused mechanic in the Frieza Arc, which proceeded to be useless after that until Cell's revival) 2) He was, according to V-Jump. Ginyu in Goku's body is at 23,000. Goku in his own body (before body swap) is 90,000, but he can go as high as 900,000 with Kaioken x10. After his battle with Recoome and a Senzu Bean, Vegeta was listed by V-Jump as being at 250,000. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNNWjcVTnYE Someone deserves a Senzu Bean! ^ Still hate you, because now I have the urge the rewatch all of it... again. | ||
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Like a Boss
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MooMooMugi
United States10531 Posts
For example: Before: Gohan: -about 1,500 upon arrival -14,000 after Guru unlocks potential Vegeta: -upon arrival: 24,000 -after Zarbon: ~30,000 -After fighting Recoome: 250,000 (according to V-Jump, which I guess is considered a good source) <-- WTF??? almost 10x his power after one fight? When Freiza actually gets off his ass and fights: Vegeta: over 2,000,000 (2,400,000 is a good approximation) Gohan: probably close to 1,000,000 when he's really mad How does Vegeta 10x his power with just a single "near-death" experience and Gohan 100x his power even after his potential is unlocked just because hes mad? LOL | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45234 Posts
And the higher amounts are absurd... I mean, I assume the mathematics is correct behind it... but jumping from millions and billions in a single (Fusion) saga to sextillions... it's just so... unnecessary lol Anyways, it's cool to see the numbers behind the power levels. I watched the show religiously and several times through, but I hadn't thought about this stuff before. | ||
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