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Hattori_Hanzo
Profile Joined October 2010
Singapore1229 Posts
July 27 2013 10:08 GMT
#381
This is how a civilization dies, parents paying to lose their authority to the state to let the"experts" handle it.
Then wonder why their children don't listen to them.
Sad really.
Cauterize the area
Reggiegigas
Profile Joined August 2010
234 Posts
July 27 2013 10:57 GMT
#382
On July 27 2013 06:27 schimmetje wrote:
This is retarded and it's got nothing to do with the children, it's about pandering and control. But maybe, if the children are what the government is so worried about, it's time for them to man the fuck up and tell people to take some responsibility in raising those. But of course "we'll get rid of the things you don't like" will always have appeal somewhere.

So many of you use this argument in the thread. Don't you realize how disrespectful and ignorant you're being blaming the parents, basically telling them they're bad at parenting?

No?
LAN-f34r
Profile Joined December 2010
New Zealand2099 Posts
July 27 2013 11:10 GMT
#383
Lets face it. Not all parents are good parents. This will help the children of said parents (children of sucky parents are still children). Also, not all parents are very tech savy (to say nothing of grandparents etc that may take care of them). They may not know how to make a filter - this will support those parents.

Independent of any other (more controversial) benefits, I believe that this out ways any cons.
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peacenl
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
550 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-27 11:39:49
July 27 2013 11:24 GMT
#384
Next thing you know we'll have counselors talking to children who accidentally watched porn. Or a new illness called porn addiction.

Moral of my story is that it's up to children to explore the world, if porn was really that bad we would all be fucked up right now. If you keep protecting them they will grow with disillusions and not able to deal with the real world. If the government had anything to say about they would put rubber blocks all over your house, so that kids wouldn't be able to hurt themselves. When that same child goes out to friends who didn't have those rubber blocks they would freak and the first time they really got hurt be in so much pain that they get trauma's. Simply because the kid will have built op zero tolerance.

What people don't realize is that once the internet is censored it opens a new world to more censoring. This is not my prediction, this is fact, it's happened almost everywhere where government has the ability to censor, they abused it to censor anything that opposes government in the slightest way.

There are great free filters that parents can download (even better than the government ever could because it also blocks spyware), let the government create a campaign inform people on these filters and not force this garbage on the people, with opt-out. The government should be working for the people, not forcing us into stuff. This role has somehow been lost years ago, I pity the fact that still so many people don't understand the role of government.
- One does not simply walk into a bar and start calling the shots.
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schimmetje
Profile Joined August 2010
Netherlands1104 Posts
July 27 2013 13:10 GMT
#385
On July 27 2013 19:57 Reggiegigas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2013 06:27 schimmetje wrote:
This is retarded and it's got nothing to do with the children, it's about pandering and control. But maybe, if the children are what the government is so worried about, it's time for them to man the fuck up and tell people to take some responsibility in raising those. But of course "we'll get rid of the things you don't like" will always have appeal somewhere.

So many of you use this argument in the thread. Don't you realize how disrespectful and ignorant you're being blaming the parents, basically telling them they're bad at parenting?

No?


Well you're sort of right, I do not have much respect for people who need to limit my rights to raise their kids.
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Miscellany
Profile Joined September 2011
Wales125 Posts
July 27 2013 13:18 GMT
#386
On July 27 2013 20:10 LAN-f34r wrote:
Lets face it. Not all parents are good parents. This will help the children of said parents (children of sucky parents are still children). Also, not all parents are very tech savy (to say nothing of grandparents etc that may take care of them). They may not know how to make a filter - this will support those parents.

Independent of any other (more controversial) benefits, I believe that this out ways any cons.

I must say I agree.
Crushinator
Profile Joined August 2011
Netherlands2138 Posts
July 27 2013 13:19 GMT
#387
On July 27 2013 19:57 Reggiegigas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2013 06:27 schimmetje wrote:
This is retarded and it's got nothing to do with the children, it's about pandering and control. But maybe, if the children are what the government is so worried about, it's time for them to man the fuck up and tell people to take some responsibility in raising those. But of course "we'll get rid of the things you don't like" will always have appeal somewhere.

So many of you use this argument in the thread. Don't you realize how disrespectful and ignorant you're being blaming the parents, basically telling them they're bad at parenting?

No?


I think these parents are indeed terrible at parenting and do not deserve any respect.

So what?
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44442 Posts
July 27 2013 13:34 GMT
#388
On July 27 2013 04:49 Reggiegigas wrote:
I think there's a fault in an argument here.

People are saying this is just censoring sex. And sex is natural. That by itself is true. There is nothing really wrong with children seeing normal sex, depending on context of course. There is nothing wrong with sex, as in, a pair making love.

But porn is not merely sex. Porn is, in 99% of cases, a sort of sex that doesn't really happen in real life: a situation where the woman's role is to please the man, where the end of the scene is when the man ejaculates, because his pleasure is what matters; the woman's is inconsequential. But of course, in this male power fantasy the woman's senses are overloaded with pleasure simply from pleasuring him. If you can't see how damaging this is to the psychology and view of sex in young people, I don't know what to tell you.

There is no loss in censoring it. Good riddance, I say.

I am the 1%.
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nimbim
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany986 Posts
July 27 2013 13:38 GMT
#389
On July 27 2013 20:24 peacenl wrote:
Next thing you know we'll have counselors talking to children who accidentally watched porn. Or a new illness called porn addiction.

Moral of my story is that it's up to children to explore the world, if porn was really that bad we would all be fucked up right now. If you keep protecting them they will grow with disillusions and not able to deal with the real world. If the government had anything to say about they would put rubber blocks all over your house, so that kids wouldn't be able to hurt themselves. When that same child goes out to friends who didn't have those rubber blocks they would freak and the first time they really got hurt be in so much pain that they get trauma's. Simply because the kid will have built op zero tolerance.


Hardcore porn can actually have a negative impact on adolescents. I remember watching a documentary (not the ridiculous "we tell you what's true" type) about people who had kinda severe experiences that crippled them in their later love lives. Like 1st time in a threesome, ATM in 14+14yr relationships etc.
Young people are dumb and a good plentiful of parents leave sex education up to the school system, so they end up mistaking sex for something entirely physical.
Godwrath
Profile Joined August 2012
Spain10167 Posts
July 27 2013 13:42 GMT
#390
On July 27 2013 04:49 Reggiegigas wrote:
If you can't see how damaging this is to the psychology and view of sex in young people, I don't know what to tell you.

I can't, please point it out for me. Because i have been pretty lucky with my sexual relationships. Talking about porn making you a mysonigist prick is the same as saying that watching violent movies will make your adolescent kid a mass murderer.
xM(Z
Profile Joined November 2006
Romania5299 Posts
July 27 2013 15:01 GMT
#391
this is all about the burden of being stupid. when it's to much of it, people just delegate someone else to carry it.
And my fury stands ready. I bring all your plans to nought. My bleak heart beats steady. 'Tis you whom I have sought.
Lonyo
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United Kingdom3884 Posts
July 27 2013 15:07 GMT
#392
As long as they ban the Daily Mail with the default filter it's all fine.
HOLY CHECK!
Uni1987
Profile Joined September 2010
Netherlands642 Posts
July 27 2013 15:16 GMT
#393
My collection is big enough, no need to browse anyway.
.............
Xialos
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Canada508 Posts
July 27 2013 15:40 GMT
#394
On July 27 2013 19:57 Reggiegigas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2013 06:27 schimmetje wrote:
This is retarded and it's got nothing to do with the children, it's about pandering and control. But maybe, if the children are what the government is so worried about, it's time for them to man the fuck up and tell people to take some responsibility in raising those. But of course "we'll get rid of the things you don't like" will always have appeal somewhere.

So many of you use this argument in the thread. Don't you realize how disrespectful and ignorant you're being blaming the parents, basically telling them they're bad at parenting?

No?


A lot of parents should not be parents, you seem a little bit naive....
ODKStevez
Profile Joined February 2011
Ireland1225 Posts
July 27 2013 15:41 GMT
#395
As someone from the UK, what scares me is what they will do next. Looks like i'll be moving from here in the future. The internet should NEVER be in control of governments. Power hungry bastards.
Luppa <3
peacenl
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
550 Posts
July 27 2013 15:44 GMT
#396
On July 27 2013 22:38 nimbim wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2013 20:24 peacenl wrote:
Next thing you know we'll have counselors talking to children who accidentally watched porn. Or a new illness called porn addiction.

Moral of my story is that it's up to children to explore the world, if porn was really that bad we would all be fucked up right now. If you keep protecting them they will grow with disillusions and not able to deal with the real world. If the government had anything to say about they would put rubber blocks all over your house, so that kids wouldn't be able to hurt themselves. When that same child goes out to friends who didn't have those rubber blocks they would freak and the first time they really got hurt be in so much pain that they get trauma's. Simply because the kid will have built op zero tolerance.


Hardcore porn can actually have a negative impact on adolescents. I remember watching a documentary (not the ridiculous "we tell you what's true" type) about people who had kinda severe experiences that crippled them in their later love lives. Like 1st time in a threesome, ATM in 14+14yr relationships etc.
Young people are dumb and a good plentiful of parents leave sex education up to the school system, so they end up mistaking sex for something entirely physical.

That's why I take documentaries with a grain of salt every time I see one. They can dramatize one subject so much so that it becomes a new social issue, even though it's only affecting a very minute percentage of the population.

It's simply a matter of how many young persons are affected by trauma. Honestly, these type of ideas scare me to death, because its implementation affects millions of people and I didn't find any scientific base to back these claims on Google Scholar and Citeseer.
- One does not simply walk into a bar and start calling the shots.
- Failure doesn't mean you are a failure it just means you haven't succeeded yet.
Talin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Montenegro10532 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-27 16:02:21
July 27 2013 15:59 GMT
#397
On July 27 2013 20:10 LAN-f34r wrote:
Lets face it. Not all parents are good parents. This will help the children of said parents (children of sucky parents are still children). Also, not all parents are very tech savy (to say nothing of grandparents etc that may take care of them). They may not know how to make a filter - this will support those parents.

Independent of any other (more controversial) benefits, I believe that this out ways any cons.


I agree that there are good parents and bad parents, I just don't think that quality of parenting is determined by the degree of obsessiveness over children coming across porn.

I'm all down with government measures that counteract some of the aspects of actual bad parenting, but there's no evidence to suggest that this one does that at all. It's very much based in the obsolete "everything about sex is dirty and/or immoral" premise, that itself stems mainly from religious beliefs and traditions.
peacenl
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
550 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-27 16:18:41
July 27 2013 16:12 GMT
#398
On July 28 2013 00:59 Talin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2013 20:10 LAN-f34r wrote:
Lets face it. Not all parents are good parents. This will help the children of said parents (children of sucky parents are still children). Also, not all parents are very tech savy (to say nothing of grandparents etc that may take care of them). They may not know how to make a filter - this will support those parents.

Independent of any other (more controversial) benefits, I believe that this out ways any cons.


I agree that there are good parents and bad parents, I just don't think that quality of parenting is determined by the degree of obsessiveness over children coming across porn.

I'm all down with government measures that counteract some of the aspects of actual bad parenting, but there's no evidence to suggest that this one does that at all. It's very much based in the obsolete "everything about sex is dirty and/or immoral" premise, that itself stems mainly from religious beliefs and traditions.


It's not the governments' role to interfere with our lives, it should be kept to a minimum at least to ensure our freedoms. However, this idea is completely twisted it seems as they want to take every opportunity to impose things on us, just because something affects a small amount of the population. Government laws, measures should be a last resort because it doesn't fix the problem from its root (such as bad parenting and parents not using internet filters), but takes away the symptoms of a problem, while at the same time the true problem doesn't disappear. I haven't found the logic thus far other than misuse of power because of inability to solve problems.
- One does not simply walk into a bar and start calling the shots.
- Failure doesn't mean you are a failure it just means you haven't succeeded yet.
Xialos
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Canada508 Posts
July 27 2013 16:22 GMT
#399
On July 28 2013 01:12 peacenl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2013 00:59 Talin wrote:
On July 27 2013 20:10 LAN-f34r wrote:
Lets face it. Not all parents are good parents. This will help the children of said parents (children of sucky parents are still children). Also, not all parents are very tech savy (to say nothing of grandparents etc that may take care of them). They may not know how to make a filter - this will support those parents.

Independent of any other (more controversial) benefits, I believe that this out ways any cons.


I agree that there are good parents and bad parents, I just don't think that quality of parenting is determined by the degree of obsessiveness over children coming across porn.

I'm all down with government measures that counteract some of the aspects of actual bad parenting, but there's no evidence to suggest that this one does that at all. It's very much based in the obsolete "everything about sex is dirty and/or immoral" premise, that itself stems mainly from religious beliefs and traditions.


It's not the governments' role to interfere with our lives, it should be kept to a minimum at least to ensure our freedoms. However, this idea is completely twisted it seems as they want to take every opportunity to impose things on us, just because something affects a small amount of the population. Government laws, measures should be a last resort because it doesn't fix the problem from its root (such as bad parenting and parents not using internet filters), but takes away the symptoms of a problem, while at the same time the true problem doesn't disappear. I haven't found the logic thus far other than abuse of power.


You said : «It's not the governments' role to interfere with our lives, it should be kept to a minimum»

You realize that it's a subjective opinion? The political spectrum has 2 sides, right and left... You are clearly on the right side, but some people are on the left side you know... consider that.
FFGenerations
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
7088 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-27 16:37:35
July 27 2013 16:31 GMT
#400
i heard on the radio earlier today that microsoft (and other companies) has implemented a "popup" that will "warn" you if you search for "child pornography" using their search engine (bing)

ahh nice, i searched for kiddie porn and it works. not much of a popup tho, they could have used that 4chan YOUR IP HAS BEEN LOGGED AND FORWARDED TO THE FBI image lol

or maybe a popup image of "Have a seat over there..." (and paedobear in the corner). like the microsoft paperclip except pedobear
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