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On June 25 2013 20:32 RParks42 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 19:53 marvellosity wrote:On June 25 2013 19:47 RParks42 wrote:On June 25 2013 19:30 marvellosity wrote:On June 25 2013 19:24 RParks42 wrote:On June 25 2013 19:05 marvellosity wrote:On June 25 2013 18:45 RParks42 wrote:On June 25 2013 18:39 marvellosity wrote:
I don't know what RParks is on about, the overwhelming consensus is that being gay is not a choice. I don't think you'll find any reputable scientist who says it is. Pretty established as 'fact', really. I didn't say it was a choice, I said it wasn't conclusive that it wasn't a choice, and so using it as fact for one side then dismissing the knowledge when used for the other side of the argument is disingenuous You're using nitpicky semantics. Just to repeat, the overwhelming consensus is that it isn't a choice, and you won't find any reputable scientist who says it is. You know your point is a bad one when whatever I just said refutes your response to it already :/ It's about as conclusive as it gets without being 100% confirmed like gravity. So treating it as fact is not disingenuous at all. If you show me a citation from a reputable source of this being confirmed as fact, I will admit that I am wrong. I have yet to find something that has said it is 100% conclusive. What you call semantics I call the little details that matter when it comes to legal matters, aka the only thing that has any merit in the discussion of the legality of gay marriage in the US. Once again you fail to see that, just because I say it hasn't been proven, doesn't mean that I am saying it has been disproven. In legal terms, if you don't have proof beyond a reasonable doubt, you can't be proven guilty of something. Little things, like how accurate the proof is, are the basis of the decision for this. I've stated this multiple times as well, but I'll do it again: I personally don't think being gay is a choice. This is an irrelevant argument to use in a courtroom, however, so why would I try to use it to persuade the opinion of someone concerning gay marriage and it's legality, when the only thing that truly matters in the argument is how can we change it. Personally I think it's almost ignorant of some members of the LGBT community to be so harsh to people that oppose gay rights but aren't demonstrative about it. You are entitled an opinion, whether it's one way or the other. Equality in this context is about freedom of choice, so why should I be subject to such hate for having a different opinion, even though I can sympathize with their plight? I don't think it's been contended in any court room that homosexuality is a choice, mainly because even the most die-hard righties/conservatives/whatever know that's a lost argument. 32's evolution/god analogy above is pretty good. Very good actually. I don't think it's ignorant for anyone from any community, LGBT or not, to be harsh to people who oppose equality. People who oppose equality deserve all the opprobrium they get. You confuse equality with your own moral sense of right and wrong. Equality is equal rights, but some confuse right with privilege. In the US, we have defined rights, they are the ones listed in the constitution. Some countries have their own privileges that they have deemed worthy of being a right, and I am unaware of the specifics ranging from country to country. Marriage is not a right. Healthcare is not a right. An automobile is not a right. A college education and a nice job are not rights. Those are privileges. There is a good deal of hypocrisy by the way in stating that people who don't agree with you deserve the criticism because Equality obviously dictates that I must agree with you. Treating someone equally doesn't mean I have to think of them as my equal, but treat them as my equal. I don't think people who drop out of high school are right, but am I going to treat them with contempt because they made a decision I don't agree with? Obviously not. I'm not confusing anything. In fact you just talk about stuff that doesn't even attempt to deconstruct what I said? I'm not interested in your continued semantics crusade; if you like in your world, equality would be equal rights and privileges for straights, gays, whites, blacks, whatever. Saying marriage is not a right and therefore my equality argument is invalid is an exceptionally poor argument. Not sure where you're going with your high-school dropout analogy. Do people argue high-school dropouts should have fewer rights (and legal privileges, if you like...) that people who don't drop out of high school? You say "if you like in your world", and that is exactly where I currently reside, in the real world. What country is it that you live in that equality isn't about equal rights? I'm pretty sure that they have a few names for what they call a country that considers equality being everyone having equal everything, those are Communism and Socialism. For the same reason that I will say those are both completely valid ways of operating a country, and it is under the complete discretion of the countries at hand to do what they choose, they typically doesn't work out. Within that context, that Equality is equal rights, my saying that marriage is not a right in fact does invalidate your claim that gay marriage would be necessary for equality. The only rights gays have within the US are the rights that every other American citizen has, aka all of them. All of those extra things, the flashy things that the government pays for, are all privileges handed down at the behest of the country by the ones we elected there in the first place. If you disagree with my definition of equality, then of course we are going to have a differing opinion.
You write all these long paragraphs and yet you don't understand the basic distinction between equality of outcome and equality of opportunity? Really? Gays being married is akin to socialism? Yes, I do believe we have different definitions of equality. Mine involves equality, yours involves inequality.
I think we're done.
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I have solved the rainbow mystery!!!
If you squint your eyes really hard when you look at the logo you realize that the horse face turns into a troll face
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For those of you who are interested on what makes people/animals gay, this study is very interesting
http://www.pnas.org/content/102/12/4608.long
Mod edit: click for nsfw rat sex: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-5RUgySIHu6w/Tlse2mehacI/AAAAAAAACmM/FtiLgo3BhVo/s400/rat_lordosis.png
Bottom Rat is exhibiting Lordosis
The arching of the back in mammals, including mice and human for sex (doggie style) is called Lordosis
-Male Rats typically do not exhibit Lordosis behavior, since they are the mounters (top)
-Study injects female hormones into male rats--> Male rats begin exhibiting Lordosis
-Female rats typically exhibit Lordosis for sex
-Study injects male hormones into female rats ---> Female rats have significantly lower amount of Lordosis
Current scientific understanding and research such as this one suggests that varying sexual orientation is likely caused by hormones/ or hormone imbalances.
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On June 25 2013 21:19 neoghaleon55 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +For those of you who are interested on what makes people/animals gay, this study is very interesting http://www.pnas.org/content/102/12/4608.long![[image loading]](http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-5RUgySIHu6w/Tlse2mehacI/AAAAAAAACmM/FtiLgo3BhVo/s400/rat_lordosis.png) Bottom Rat is exhibiting Lordosis-Male Rats typically do not exhibit Lordosis behavior, since they are the mounters (top) -Study injects female hormones into male rats--> Male rats begin exhibiting Lordosis -Female rats typically exhibit Lordosis for sex -Study injects male hormones into female rats ---> Female rats have significantly lower amount of Lordosis Current scientific understanding and research such as this one suggests that varying sexual orientation is likely caused by hormones/ or hormone imbalances.
Spoilering that pic would be nice.
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Aw, I was feeling down and happened upon this new fantastic and pretty TL horse logo. It made my day and was very heartwarming!
How very disappointed I was when I find its thread full of people who feel provoked by a message of love and equality. What kind of person goes out of their way to find strained and convoluted arguments just to pick on a not very complicated message of showing understanding towards each other? This ruins everything, I don't want to live on this planet.
Thank you to teamliquid for the nice gesture, nevertheless!
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On June 25 2013 21:22 Roxor9999 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 21:19 neoghaleon55 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +For those of you who are interested on what makes people/animals gay, this study is very interesting http://www.pnas.org/content/102/12/4608.longBottom Rat is exhibiting Lordosis The arching of the back in mammals, including mice and human for sex (doggie style) is called Lordosis-Male Rats typically do not exhibit Lordosis behavior, since they are the mounters (top) -Study injects female hormones into male rats--> Male rats begin exhibiting Lordosis -Female rats typically exhibit Lordosis for sex -Study injects male hormones into female rats ---> Female rats have significantly lower amount of Lordosis Current scientific understanding and research such as this one suggests that varying sexual orientation is likely caused by hormones/ or hormone imbalances. Spoilering that pic would be nice.
It's used scientifically
they are mice
grow up
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I think that if a gay people want to get married they should. Fine it's their business and doesn't effect me.
One thing that bothers me though is people who label anyone who is against gay marriage as 'homophobic.' Just because someone might have reasons to oppose gay marriage doesn't mean they are afraid of gays its so silly how much the term homophobia is thrown around.
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you might want to read about the part where it actually states that marriage is between a man and a woman.
But why is it defined this way? And again can you please tell me how you come to the conclusion that:
Healthcare is not a right. A college education and a nice job are not rights. Those are privileges.
those are not rights for people?
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On June 25 2013 21:23 neoghaleon55 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 21:22 Roxor9999 wrote:On June 25 2013 21:19 neoghaleon55 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +For those of you who are interested on what makes people/animals gay, this study is very interesting http://www.pnas.org/content/102/12/4608.longBottom Rat is exhibiting Lordosis The arching of the back in mammals, including mice and human for sex (doggie style) is called Lordosis-Male Rats typically do not exhibit Lordosis behavior, since they are the mounters (top) -Study injects female hormones into male rats--> Male rats begin exhibiting Lordosis -Female rats typically exhibit Lordosis for sex -Study injects male hormones into female rats ---> Female rats have significantly lower amount of Lordosis Current scientific understanding and research such as this one suggests that varying sexual orientation is likely caused by hormones/ or hormone imbalances. Spoilering that pic would be nice. It's used scientifically they are mice grow up
Be a little nicer please, it's a gaming forum, who plays games? Kids and young adults. Pics that are used scientifically doesn't make it right to show to kids and young adults, what a horrible reasoning you have.
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It's a great show of solidarity and I think it's great to show it in this way. Good gesture, TL.
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On June 25 2013 21:35 peacenl wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 21:23 neoghaleon55 wrote:On June 25 2013 21:22 Roxor9999 wrote:On June 25 2013 21:19 neoghaleon55 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +For those of you who are interested on what makes people/animals gay, this study is very interesting http://www.pnas.org/content/102/12/4608.longBottom Rat is exhibiting Lordosis The arching of the back in mammals, including mice and human for sex (doggie style) is called Lordosis-Male Rats typically do not exhibit Lordosis behavior, since they are the mounters (top) -Study injects female hormones into male rats--> Male rats begin exhibiting Lordosis -Female rats typically exhibit Lordosis for sex -Study injects male hormones into female rats ---> Female rats have significantly lower amount of Lordosis Current scientific understanding and research such as this one suggests that varying sexual orientation is likely caused by hormones/ or hormone imbalances. Spoilering that pic would be nice. It's used scientifically they are mice grow up Be a little nicer please, it's a gaming forum, who plays games? Kids and young adults. Pics that are used scientifically doesn't make it right to show to kids and young adults, what a horrible reasoning you have.
I take it you wouldn't recommend kids watch nature documentaries then...
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On June 25 2013 21:23 neoghaleon55 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 21:22 Roxor9999 wrote:On June 25 2013 21:19 neoghaleon55 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +For those of you who are interested on what makes people/animals gay, this study is very interesting http://www.pnas.org/content/102/12/4608.longBottom Rat is exhibiting Lordosis The arching of the back in mammals, including mice and human for sex (doggie style) is called Lordosis-Male Rats typically do not exhibit Lordosis behavior, since they are the mounters (top) -Study injects female hormones into male rats--> Male rats begin exhibiting Lordosis -Female rats typically exhibit Lordosis for sex -Study injects male hormones into female rats ---> Female rats have significantly lower amount of Lordosis Current scientific understanding and research such as this one suggests that varying sexual orientation is likely caused by hormones/ or hormone imbalances. Spoilering that pic would be nice. It's used scientifically they are mice grow up
maybe its not the best thing to suddenly have gay mice porn pop up at work?
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Blazinghand
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I think we all know the truth here, whatever"official" explanations may be given out: rainbows are metal as duck
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On June 25 2013 21:44 teddyoojo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 21:23 neoghaleon55 wrote:On June 25 2013 21:22 Roxor9999 wrote:On June 25 2013 21:19 neoghaleon55 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +For those of you who are interested on what makes people/animals gay, this study is very interesting http://www.pnas.org/content/102/12/4608.longBottom Rat is exhibiting Lordosis The arching of the back in mammals, including mice and human for sex (doggie style) is called Lordosis-Male Rats typically do not exhibit Lordosis behavior, since they are the mounters (top) -Study injects female hormones into male rats--> Male rats begin exhibiting Lordosis -Female rats typically exhibit Lordosis for sex -Study injects male hormones into female rats ---> Female rats have significantly lower amount of Lordosis Current scientific understanding and research such as this one suggests that varying sexual orientation is likely caused by hormones/ or hormone imbalances. Spoilering that pic would be nice. It's used scientifically they are mice grow up maybe its not the best thing to suddenly have gay mice porn pop up at work?
those rats are straight, bottom one is female.
but sorry, I didn't think about those at work
my mistake
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It's OK for TL to love ESPORTS equally, but I'd love to continue to see more starcraft stuff here than other esports.
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On June 25 2013 20:24 matsushi wrote:
Honestly, it doesn't matter whether or not it is a choice. Either way, homosexuality is something that should be accepted and respected. I personally believe that it's a choice (even if it's a subconscious one), but it's a choice we need to respect anyway. I think the "born gay" rhetoric is just rhetoric being used to gain the sympathy and understanding of very conservative people who are intolerant of gays. People change their sexual orientation all the time, which is why it doesn't make sense if you say that you were "born" a certain way or are stuck in a certain mold.
edit: Also, I think the new banner is funky as hell! GJ TL
I'm sorry, but I'm going to have to call you out on this one. As a gay person myself, there's almost nothing I wouldn't give to be straight. I did not choose to be picked on in high school because of a sexual orientation. I did not choose the path of most resistance. I do not find any sexual interest in females, nor can I connect with them on an emotional level like I do with other males. I have tried. I tried dating girls and I tried dating guys and the results are night and day.
I do think that traumatic / life scaring events can cause someone to change their sexuality, but that's something psychologically bound and I do not understand it completely. Although I don't think the answer is shock therapy, for what my opinion is worth.
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On June 25 2013 21:44 teddyoojo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 21:23 neoghaleon55 wrote:On June 25 2013 21:22 Roxor9999 wrote:On June 25 2013 21:19 neoghaleon55 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +For those of you who are interested on what makes people/animals gay, this study is very interesting http://www.pnas.org/content/102/12/4608.longBottom Rat is exhibiting Lordosis The arching of the back in mammals, including mice and human for sex (doggie style) is called Lordosis-Male Rats typically do not exhibit Lordosis behavior, since they are the mounters (top) -Study injects female hormones into male rats--> Male rats begin exhibiting Lordosis -Female rats typically exhibit Lordosis for sex -Study injects male hormones into female rats ---> Female rats have significantly lower amount of Lordosis Current scientific understanding and research such as this one suggests that varying sexual orientation is likely caused by hormones/ or hormone imbalances. Spoilering that pic would be nice. It's used scientifically they are mice grow up maybe its not the best thing to suddenly have gay mice porn pop up at work?
Should you be on TeamLiquid at work?
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On June 25 2013 22:09 Butterednuts wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 20:24 matsushi wrote:
Honestly, it doesn't matter whether or not it is a choice. Either way, homosexuality is something that should be accepted and respected. I personally believe that it's a choice (even if it's a subconscious one), but it's a choice we need to respect anyway. I think the "born gay" rhetoric is just rhetoric being used to gain the sympathy and understanding of very conservative people who are intolerant of gays. People change their sexual orientation all the time, which is why it doesn't make sense if you say that you were "born" a certain way or are stuck in a certain mold.
edit: Also, I think the new banner is funky as hell! GJ TL I'm sorry, but I'm going to have to call you out on this one. As a gay person myself, there's almost nothing I wouldn't give to be straight. I did not choose to be picked on in high school because of a sexual orientation. I did not choose the path of most resistance. I do not find any sexual interest in females, nor can I connect with them on an emotional level like I do with other males. I have tried. I tried dating girls and I tried dating guys and the results are night and day. I do think that traumatic / life scaring events can cause someone to change their sexuality, but that's something psychologically bound and I do not understand it completely. Although I don't think the answer is shock therapy, for what my opinion is worth.
You want to be straight yet you choose "Buttered Nuts" as your nickname? 
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On June 25 2013 22:12 Klondikebar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 21:44 teddyoojo wrote:On June 25 2013 21:23 neoghaleon55 wrote:On June 25 2013 21:22 Roxor9999 wrote:On June 25 2013 21:19 neoghaleon55 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +For those of you who are interested on what makes people/animals gay, this study is very interesting http://www.pnas.org/content/102/12/4608.longBottom Rat is exhibiting Lordosis The arching of the back in mammals, including mice and human for sex (doggie style) is called Lordosis-Male Rats typically do not exhibit Lordosis behavior, since they are the mounters (top) -Study injects female hormones into male rats--> Male rats begin exhibiting Lordosis -Female rats typically exhibit Lordosis for sex -Study injects male hormones into female rats ---> Female rats have significantly lower amount of Lordosis Current scientific understanding and research such as this one suggests that varying sexual orientation is likely caused by hormones/ or hormone imbalances. Spoilering that pic would be nice. It's used scientifically they are mice grow up maybe its not the best thing to suddenly have gay mice porn pop up at work? Should you be on TeamLiquid at work?
he works for the NSA, he's spying on a conversation about gay mice
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On June 25 2013 20:24 matsushi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 19:05 marvellosity wrote:On June 25 2013 18:45 RParks42 wrote:On June 25 2013 18:39 marvellosity wrote:
I don't know what RParks is on about, the overwhelming consensus is that being gay is not a choice. I don't think you'll find any reputable scientist who says it is. Pretty established as 'fact', really. I didn't say it was a choice, I said it wasn't conclusive that it wasn't a choice, and so using it as fact for one side then dismissing the knowledge when used for the other side of the argument is disingenuous You're using nitpicky semantics. Just to repeat, the overwhelming consensus is that it isn't a choice, and you won't find any reputable scientist who says it is. You know your point is a bad one when whatever I just said refutes your response to it already :/ It's about as conclusive as it gets without being 100% confirmed like gravity. So treating it as fact is not disingenuous at all. Honestly, it doesn't matter whether or not it is a choice. Either way, homosexuality is something that should be accepted and respected. I personally believe that it's a choice (even if it's a subconscious one), but it's a choice we need to respect anyway. I think the "born gay" rhetoric is just rhetoric being used to gain the sympathy and understanding of very conservative people who are intolerant of gays. People change their sexual orientation all the time, which is why it doesn't make sense if you say that you were "born" a certain way or are stuck in a certain mold. edit: Also, I think the new banner is funky as hell! GJ TL
Wait, what?
You're fucking kidding, right?
Not only does your opinion of, "They choose" go against more or less all given scientific evidence, but the claim that "People change their sexuality all the time" is absolutely absurd.
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