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Stol
Sweden185 Posts
On June 16 2013 01:59 Crushinator wrote: The OP isn't clear to me at all. Are these proposed exceptions to the 20-week limit? Then what is the suggested new limit, or is it then fine to destroy the foetus right up until birth? What this guy said, I dont really understand the OP. | ||
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Acertos
France852 Posts
No im not talking about the baby, he doesnt even know hes alive. Im talking the 25yr old single lady who wants to abort or the couple because their child has a severe desease. Abortion should be possible everywhere because accidents can happen not only for rape and incest. And suppose it talks about incests because they are the same biggots. A brother sister couple has a child. Ups the brother dies, the sister can abort because she cant take care of the baby but no if it was a normal couple the girl shouldnt have the right to abort. | ||
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Reason
United Kingdom2770 Posts
On June 16 2013 02:14 Stol wrote: What this guy said, I dont really understand the OP. Yeah this needs to be resolved. | ||
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jello_biafra
United Kingdom6641 Posts
On June 16 2013 02:13 Enki wrote: If the woman want's to get it done, that should be that. Also, I hate the justification for aborting a child because it was a result of incest (consensual anyways, if that happens). There are plenty of children who are born everyday with disabilities that were known beforehand. Why don't we just kill all children who are going to be born with defects and keep the gene pool clean then? I really hate justifying abortion because of that. It's not about keeping the gene pool clean it's about stopping someone from living a horrible life because of some condition. | ||
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Dunmer
United Kingdom568 Posts
On June 16 2013 02:20 jello_biafra wrote: It's not about keeping the gene pool clean it's about stopping someone from living a horrible life because of some condition. That's a stupid reason, firstly the child or anyone else for that matter won't know how the child's life will turn out. If your reason is justification then people who want to kill themselves but can't because of some terrible condition and they ask someone to do it for them should be allowed to do it in the same country? Which isn't the case as euthanasia is banned in the UK and a lot of other countries as far as I understand it. On the topic of abortion its stupid how if the man wants a baby and the woman doest she can abort and the man loses their child. Reverse the roles and the man has to pay welfare checks until the child is 18 even though he didn't want it? Seems fair to me... | ||
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HTOMario
United States439 Posts
On June 16 2013 02:18 Acertos wrote: I wonder how 60 yrs old rich biggots with wives full of silicon can decide what s good for someone's life. No im not talking about the baby, he doesnt even know hes alive. Im talking the 25yr old single lady who wants to abort or the couple because their child has a severe desease. Abortion should be possible everywhere because accidents can happen not only for rape and incest. And suppose it talks about incests because they are the same biggots. A brother sister couple has a child. Ups the brother dies, the sister can abort because she cant take care of the baby but no if it was a normal couple the girl shouldnt have the right to abort. The sister shouldn't be able too either. If a child is conceived because you willingly opened your legs or didn't wrap your dick. Take care of it... Oh I bought a dog but I just lost my job. let's me just go take him out back with my shot gun.... | ||
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Stol
Sweden185 Posts
On June 16 2013 02:26 Dunmer wrote: That's a stupid reason, firstly the child or anyone else for that matter won't know how the child's life will turn out. If your reason is justification then people who want to kill themselves but can't because of some terrible condition and they ask someone to do it for them should be allowed to do it in the same country? Which isn't the case as euthanasia is banned in the UK and a lot of other countries as far as I understand it. On the topic of abortion its stupid how if the man wants a baby and the woman doest she can abort and the man loses their child. Reverse the roles and the man has to pay welfare checks until the child is 18 even though he didn't want it? Seems fair to me... If you reverse the roles you use a condom. | ||
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Mooov99
United States14 Posts
On June 16 2013 02:13 Enki wrote: There are plenty of children who are born everyday with disabilities that were known beforehand. Why don't we just kill all children who are going to be born with defects and keep the gene pool clean then? . Now that is a great idea if I've ever heard one. | ||
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HTOMario
United States439 Posts
On June 16 2013 02:28 Mooov99 wrote: Now that is a great idea if I've ever heard one. Won't work, the US would lose most of the south. User was warned for this post | ||
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Dunmer
United Kingdom568 Posts
I was referring to the point in time where the baby is already conceived by accident or whatever and one of the parents wants an abortion. | ||
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revel8
United Kingdom3022 Posts
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Maxie
Sweden2653 Posts
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Christ the Redeemer
Brazil161 Posts
On June 16 2013 02:27 HTOMario wrote: The sister shouldn't be able too either. If a child is conceived because you willingly opened your legs or didn't wrap your dick. Take care of it... Oh I bought a dog but I just lost my job. let's me just go take him out back with my shot gun.... Exactly. I am ashamed of people's moral integrity and lack of sense of responsibility. You know very well that having sex potentially leads to pregnancy. If you don't want pregnancy, be responsible. The solution is not to kill the natural effect of your stupidity or irresponsibility, its much more simple, use protection. | ||
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jello_biafra
United Kingdom6641 Posts
On June 16 2013 02:26 Dunmer wrote: That's a stupid reason, firstly the child or anyone else for that matter won't know how the child's life will turn out. If your reason is justification then people who want to kill themselves but can't because of some terrible condition and they ask someone to do it for them should be allowed to do it in the same country? Which isn't the case as euthanasia is banned in the UK and a lot of other countries as far as I understand it. On the topic of abortion its stupid how if the man wants a baby and the woman doest she can abort and the man loses their child. Reverse the roles and the man has to pay welfare checks until the child is 18 even though he didn't want it? Seems fair to me... I think euthanasia should be allowed too and it's hardly a stupid justification, I'd rather not live at all than live with some terrible affliction. | ||
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Stol
Sweden185 Posts
On June 16 2013 02:30 Dunmer wrote: I was referring to the point in time where the baby is already conceived by accident or whatever and one of the parents wants an abortion. Well as a man I think thats a small price to pay for not being discriminated against in most parts of life. I also think that as long as my body is unaffected I dont really have much say in the matter. (edited in the quote) | ||
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Dazed.
Canada3301 Posts
On June 16 2013 01:49 farvacola wrote: You need successive inbreeding to realistically increase your chances of defects, and even then its a minor increase, that can pale in comparison to two unrelated individuals who happen to share similar defects within their family tree. I don't know what the big deal is with incestuous birth; congenial birth defects don't sound so bad. | ||
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Passion
Netherlands1486 Posts
On June 16 2013 02:34 Stol wrote: Well as a man I think thats a small price to pay for not being discriminated against in most parts of life. I also think that as long as my body is unaffected I dont really have much say in the matter. (edited in the quote) People being able to legally murder your offspring is a small price? For not being discriminated against?! Not being discriminated is a right. That's why we don't discriminate women, men, jews or people with a different skin colour where I'm from. Are you serious? | ||
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jello_biafra
United Kingdom6641 Posts
On June 16 2013 02:39 Passion wrote: People being able to legally murder your offspring is a small price? For not being discriminated against?! Not being discriminated is a right. That's why we don't discriminate women, men, jews or people with a different skin colour where I'm from. Are you serious? You got that the wrong way round, he was talking about if the man wanted an abortion but the woman didn't then it wouldn't happen and he would be forced to pay child support. Also, abortion != murder. | ||
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Hitch-22
Canada753 Posts
On June 16 2013 01:56 Christ the Redeemer wrote: First and foremost, abortion is a violation of life. HOWEVER, I think these are 2 valid points where abortion MAY BE allowed. I lol'd User was banned for this post. | ||
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Shai
Canada806 Posts
On June 16 2013 02:32 revel8 wrote: I would always support the woman's right to choose. Making it an issue of choice is ridiculous. It's a question of the definition of life. Either you believe the fetus is alive and has rights, or you believe it is a condition of the mother. Terminology like "pro choice" and "pro life" are sensationalist. Of course someone who's pro-abortion also believes in the value of life, and of course those who are anti-abortion believe in peoples' right to have the ability to choose in their life. EDIT: On June 16 2013 02:42 jello_biafra wrote: Also, abortion != murder. Well, that's really what the debate is about, when you get down to it. It's not a side point. | ||
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