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Please attempt to distinguish between extremists and non extremists to avoid starting the inevitable waste of time that is "can Islam be judged by its believers?" - KwarK | ||
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Antylamon
United States1981 Posts
On May 23 2013 03:41 TheFish7 wrote: From what I understand random passerby in England aren't as well armed as the random passerby in the States. Passerbys in the States aren't well-armed at all... | ||
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Detri
United Kingdom683 Posts
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Thrill
2599 Posts
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turdburgler
England6749 Posts
On May 23 2013 05:25 darthfoley wrote: Can anyone tell me how NSFW the video is? I can deal with bloody hands but if it's the actual attack or anything... just bloody hands and knife and an idiot. | ||
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Doctorbeat
Netherlands13241 Posts
On May 23 2013 05:40 edlover420 wrote: Actually by the most accepted interpretation of Qur'an it is actually stated that Allah will never forgive you if you kill another man and jihad is interpreted as a battle with yourself and your bad side to become better as a person. Yet some demagogues explain the words in Qur'an differently to naive uneducated people of the 3rd world countries, mainly not because they would believe so but because of their own economical interests and they train young man to become extremists and do crazy shit like this. What happened was indeed extremely shameful and all extremists are a disgrace for our religion. Hadith is a bitch. Though the religion is still partly to blame, when you have claims of it being the literal word of God. And many of the extremists are not 3rd world people but young muslims who grow up in Western nations and radicalize. | ||
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Sverigevader
Sweden388 Posts
On May 23 2013 05:40 edlover420 wrote: Actually by the most accepted interpretation of Qur'an it is actually stated that Allah will never forgive you if you kill another man and jihad is interpreted as a battle with yourself and your bad side to become better as a person. Yet some demagogues explain the words in Qur'an differently to naive uneducated people of the 3rd world countries, mainly not because they would believe so but because of their own economical interests and they train young man to become extremists and do crazy shit like this. What happened was indeed extremely shameful and all extremists are a disgrace for our religion. What about Muhammed? He killed a lot of people right? | ||
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CuddlyCuteKitten
Sweden2638 Posts
On May 23 2013 05:40 Corvi wrote: nah, muslim people use that all the time, mostly as a positive reaction. for example when i was in a rollercoaster a little while ago some muslims yelled it out of joy. oO It really is comparable to "Oh my god". It literally means "God is great" but the usage is pretty similar, although it's more commonly used with positive things. It's really common. I like "Insh allah" better tho, it means something like "if good wills it" and it's really common too. Most arab people are really laid back and also generally pretty happy. Makes for great patients, much happier and accepting than your typical Swede. | ||
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Kontys
Finland659 Posts
On May 23 2013 05:40 Antylamon wrote: Passerbys in the States aren't well-armed at all... Well, the actual course of events isn't clear as of yet. I would wager the perpetrators did their job quickly, without there necessary being people around to stop them. I think passersby in Finland would definitely interfere decisively. I have no real reason to believe a stranger of suitable physical size and strength would not interfere in England. What I gather from the news reports is that there were passersby, but they were women. | ||
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Roe
Canada6002 Posts
On May 23 2013 05:48 CuddlyCuteKitten wrote: It really is comparable to "Oh my god". It literally means "God is great" but the usage is pretty similar, although it's more commonly used with positive things. It's really common. I like "Insh allah" better tho, it means something like "if good wills it" and it's really common too. Most arab people are really laid back and also generally pretty happy. Makes for great patients, much happier and accepting than your typical Swede. I'm not sure if it's really fair to say that about Arabs; do you really know most Arabs that are alive? Do you really know most Swedish people? And is it fair to say well about one and not the other? As if the different cultures were reason to say the people are less happy and more extreme? What if the two were switched and you said that Swedes were much more accepting than your typical Arab, and much more laid back? Sounds like double standards playing in the background. | ||
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ShadeR
Australia7535 Posts
On May 23 2013 05:45 Sverigevader wrote: What about Muhammed? He killed a lot of people right? He was a full-time warlord i would assume so. | ||
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Tommylew
Wales2717 Posts
On May 23 2013 05:48 Kontys wrote: Well, the actual course of events isn't clear as of yet. I would wager the perpetrators did their job quickly, without there necessary being people around to stop them. I think passersby in Finland would definitely interfere decisively. I have no real reason to believe a stranger of suitable physical size and strength would not interfere in England. What I gather from the news reports is that there were passersby, but they were women. This attack was frenzied so happened very quickly, he was hit by a car then they set on him with knives very quickly. No passer boy would be able to gauge what was happening, and then they threatneded males who tried to approach with a gun, and knives... hence why noone could approach them. They let a few women go to the body, more out of the fact that "their" women have to see it in their own countries... yeh he was british with a cockeny accent... so he was home born. im guessing some people did try, but if your threatened with a gun you soon back off or the would be a lot more dead. | ||
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CuddlyCuteKitten
Sweden2638 Posts
On May 23 2013 05:51 Roe wrote: I'm not sure if it's really fair to say that about Arabs; do you really know most Arabs that are alive? Do you really know most Swedish people? And is it fair to say well about one and not the other? As if the different cultures were reason to say the people are less happy and more extreme? What if the two were switched and you said that Swedes were much more accepting than your typical Arab, and much more laid back? Sounds like double standards playing in the background. I meet about 20 ppl a day for perhaps 320 days a year. Decide for yourself how valid my observations are. And of course this is only in one specific circumstance as well. Also note that the vast majority of ppl are nice regardless of where they are from, its mostly a matter of degress. | ||
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Derez
Netherlands6068 Posts
On May 23 2013 05:35 dUTtrOACh wrote: Not to mention the difference between us and them (extremists) being that we won't take the information and use it as an excuse to commit atrocities. I agree. How the fuck can we ignore the fact that they're screaming "God is great" while hacking a human being to pieces? It's obviously a heavy influence to them and is likely their primary source of moral accountability. Oversimplifying things is exactly what the media has to do, because over-complicating simple things leads to more confusion. Listening to the attacker in the video's accent, he was obviously in the UK for a fairly long time, meaning associates of his and members of his community in the UK contributed to his beliefs and those of his accomplice. Pretending this isn't a Muslim problem won't help moderate Muslims in dealing with it. We won't take this information and use it to commit atrocities? Have you not been awake the last 10 years when various western powers have started assasinating 'targets' at will despite about every moral code prohibiting that? Or the widespread use of torture? Oversimplified reporting like this is exactly what allows the 'global war on terror' to exist, and creates such widespread support for it. | ||
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Stol
Sweden185 Posts
On May 23 2013 05:45 Doctorbeat wrote: Hadith is a bitch. Though the religion is still partly to blame, when you have claims of it being the literal word of God. And many of the extremists are not 3rd world people but young muslims who grow up in Western nations and radicalize. Religion is never to blame, you are always accountable for your own actions and even in religious texts I have at least personally never heard of someone saying: "Do whatever you want, God doesnt care". If you, as an individual, are to put the blame on God for your actions you would actually have to know that its what God wants. With religion being a matter of belief this is in itself a contradiction. People who assume they know what God wants are to blame. People who use religion as a tool to get others to do their bidding are to blame. People who use religion as an excuse to harm others are to blame. Religion is a belief and even God, should there be one, would hold you responsible for your own actions. You can only try to do what you think is right in the name of God and you alone are to blame for your actions. | ||
clementdudu
France819 Posts
On May 23 2013 05:43 Thrill wrote: His walk in the video doesn't look human... chav walk | ||
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Yuljan
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edlover420
349 Posts
Muslims view that the Muhammad fought only when attacked, or in the context of a wider war of self-defense. They argue that Muhammad was the first among the major military figures of history to lay down rules for humane warfare, and that he was scrupulous in limiting the loss of life as much as possible. | ||
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butchji
Germany1531 Posts
On May 23 2013 06:02 Yuljan wrote: Horrible to hear, but at least they attacked a soldier instead of a civilian. rofl, you can't be... well ze internetz | ||
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tenacity
1587 Posts
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Audemed
United States893 Posts
On May 23 2013 06:02 Yuljan wrote: Horrible to hear, but at least they attacked a soldier instead of a civilian. Sorry to hear your dad was murdered, what was he, a printer? Good thing they killed a printer rather than a baker. Lolz @ internet...sad lolz :/ | ||
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