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dirtydurb82
Profile Joined December 2012
United States178 Posts
April 17 2013 03:29 GMT
#81
I know more than a few companies participate in this type of shenanigans. I say, why not? Alls fair in love and war, and this is way more profitable than war.

Samsung, however, takes it to a whole new level!
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kaisen
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States601 Posts
April 17 2013 03:40 GMT
#82
Honestly, every companies do this. Samsung just got caught, that's it.
DeepElemBlues
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States5079 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-17 03:43:36
April 17 2013 03:43 GMT
#83
Yeah, so many companies do this that there's even a new legal / service niche industry for it, you pay them, they browse reviews of your business, prove that astroturfed bad reviews for you are astroturfed, and get them taken down off the internet.
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Aerisky
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States12129 Posts
April 17 2013 03:45 GMT
#84
Yeah it does sound like most companies would do this. To be fair, though, HTC probably doesn't do this because it comparatively doesn't have very much money at all to go toward marketing.

Not sure what "more than voluntary" even means though. If it's more than voluntary, it means it was...really voluntary as a result of samsung incentivising the behavior. So it was voluntary I guess? Probably voluntary either way lol
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Meatex
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia285 Posts
April 17 2013 03:49 GMT
#85
So? All companies do this - EA has been ousted for doing this as well and anybody who believes random comments from first time posters on a forum deserve to buy a POS phone... except samsung phones are good
So are HTC and it pretty much comes down to budget and a persons preference.
Really, why is real cheese so hard to come by in Korea? ^&^
kaisen
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States601 Posts
April 17 2013 03:59 GMT
#86
Didn't Bioware hire bunch of random gamers to talk shit about The Witcher 2 on gaming sites like gamefaqs and metacritic and got caught? This happened 2 years ago.
Raropatx
Profile Joined April 2013
United States3 Posts
April 17 2013 04:57 GMT
#87
I'll just leave this here...


meet "Koehler" [2][3]

"EliteIntel" [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7]

"bear22" [2] [3] [4] [5] [6]

"Ingenieur7" [2]

"affinity_12" [2] [3]


"Marco Bugatti"

"David Ferrari"

"ForzaItaliaAzzurri7"

"AwesomeDJFlame100"

"eurofootball42"

"SanchezStyle7"

"richstar85kr"

"zawchig888"


This is the work of one guy, he use to use a BMW logo across multiple web forums until he was caught out.
Watch your thoughts; they become words.
Kashll
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1117 Posts
April 17 2013 05:30 GMT
#88
On April 16 2013 19:51 Womwomwom wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 16 2013 18:52 sluggaslamoo wrote:
I remember back when HTC used to produce the best smartphones, but then they just had 0 innovation after the "desire" and completely fell off the radar.

They probably thought they could pull an Apple and continue producing overpriced clones of the same thing over and over but I guess they forgot that you needed to establish an overzealous fanbase first.


What is innovation to you?

Innovation for the sake of innovation doesn't sell products. Complete packages sell products. That's why Samsung has, theoretically, the best Android smartphone on the market: the Galaxy S lineup doesn't have any real flaws besides kind of questionable material choices. That's why the iPad is still the tablet market leader: it still has one of the best screens, unquestionable GPU power, and obscene battery size. That's why Apple devices are able to sell for high prices: because the overall hardware and software package is mostly complete. Don't kid yourself, Samsung and everyone else all have their own overzealous fanbases. That's to be expected.

What makes HTC phones a harder sell is the lack of attention to detail. Sense, for a long time, has been complete rubbish in terms of performance. They also have a nasty habit of packing fairly small batteries into their phones and dropping support for their phones extremely quickly. That's why they're doing poorly, just like LG's or Sony Ericsson's inability to update their phones on time (if at all). There isn't a conspiracy theory why brand x sells well and why brand y sells badly.

The problem here is that, although the HTC One has solved many of these problems, it can't get a market foothold. Some of the reasons include launching too close to the Galaxy S4 announcement/too late after the Sony Xperia Z launch but the main reason is that HTC isn't the the darling OEM of the carriers anymore and they don't have the advertising budget to make sure their device is seen over other competitors. Component delays don't help things either.

As noted by the OP's article, Samsung can literally pay some people to spread bad news about the phone and they can't do anything to combat it besides asking the government to step in. They can't compete against Samsung's marketing budget nor can create enough noise to get rid of constant "complaints" about the HTC One. By the time the government finds Samsung guilty (or not), its too late since HTC One has already missed its launch period.



I really wanted to report this for astroturfing but apparently you can't report red's posts. JOKE RUINED
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ExceeD_DreaM
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Canada500 Posts
April 17 2013 05:41 GMT
#89
I don't understand why Samsung would need to talk down HTC in the first place... I would understand Apple but HTC? HTC makes great phones, but sells no where near as many as Samsung does. They are no where close to being a rival..

I second that most companies would do this. Interesting that Taiwanese commission is the one suspecting Samsung of doing this. Protecting homegrown company it is.
haduken
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Australia8267 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-17 07:48:16
April 17 2013 07:35 GMT
#90
On April 17 2013 14:41 ExceeD_DreaM wrote:
I don't understand why Samsung would need to talk down HTC in the first place... I would understand Apple but HTC? HTC makes great phones, but sells no where near as many as Samsung does. They are no where close to being a rival..

I second that most companies would do this. Interesting that Taiwanese commission is the one suspecting Samsung of doing this. Protecting homegrown company it is.


HTC flagship phones have always been competitive. On engineering and design, I would probably put them above Samsung, but as others mentioned, their marketing sucks balls which is why they are lagging behind.

They put top quality hardware in a nice chasis but then royally fuck it up by using the stupid sense UI which lags everything then follow up with no updates or zero updates. Their UI team and their CEO needs to be shot.

If they release a phone on vanilla android, their sale will be through the roof!

My first two smart phone were HTC, but only the google nexus phones, then when nexus moved on to another brand, I stopped buying HTC.

Such a shame really, they were first to market on several trends but never really did anything with it, this is typical of Taiwanese tech companies. They are complacent staying as OEMs.
Rillanon.au
haduken
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Australia8267 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-17 07:47:21
April 17 2013 07:46 GMT
#91
On April 16 2013 21:45 Womwomwom wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 16 2013 20:44 opisska wrote:
On April 16 2013 17:55 Womwomwom wrote:
On April 16 2013 17:46 opisska wrote:
On April 16 2013 16:53 haduken wrote:
On April 16 2013 16:49 ETisME wrote:
read about it before, I hope I don't offend any Taiwanese by saying this but I find it a bit fishy:

Taiwan is EXTREMELY sensitive for HTC and samsung competition. Some politicians' choice of phone get flamed on media news if it isn't a HTC and sometimes they would even get asked why not using a HTC phone to support Taiwan industry on camera news.

HTC is under high competitive pressure, especially from Samsung. It isn't doing as well as before anymore, the chinese market didn't like HTC while the oversea is getting smashed by Samsung and Apple.

And to users who aren't aware, Taiwan has a separate political system than the Chinese one


That's Taiwan's own damn fault, just look at all the Taiwanese vendors like ASUS, HTC, Gigabyte, same old make cheap alternatives, race to the bottom, flood the market with 10000 products with random product names, shitty generic line ups with no continuity, confuse all consumers, zero innovation or invest into their marketing.

Such a shame as the new HTC phones are great products.

Is it any wonder they are getting owned by organised competitions?


Is this really how HTC is percieved in Australia or elsewhere? Because among my friends HTC is considered more of a premium brand, at least compared to shit like LG, Sony, or god forbid ZTE or Huawei. Yes, Samsung would be on par (Apple is a manufacturer of toys for kids and thus irrelevant), but not really valued more than HTC.


Samsung is definitely the top tier Android smartphone manufacturer as a result of an obscene advertising budget, good enough phones to justify the advertising claims, and carrier presence. HTC, LG, Sony don't have anywhere near the same amount of advertising or carrier presence so they've been regulated to the "cheap pack", through Sony seems to pushing extremely hard for more market share. Their flagship phones aren't without problems but they've had a top tier midrange for at least a year.

HTC's poor branding is an issue but the bigger problem is that Samsung can just shout over everyone else. They're the only ones that can actually get all of their phones on a carrier and in the United States (and Australia too), that's a really important thing. The branding thing is a problem with HTC but it honestly isn't any different from Samsung pumping out a billion different variants of Galaxy phones. The difference is that carriers actively advertise the Galaxy S flagship.

Also, come on Apple devices being toys for kids? Really? Let's not go there OK?



The Apple remark could have been done better, I agree. Just the point was that in the social group where most of my firends are, this is the perception - almost noone has an iPhone, partly because it would be just considered childish, partly because they really believe that it is not a good idea to buy one. This fact prevents the other brands from being "smashed" by Apple. Also in general, I believe that Apple's marketshare in everything is much lower in Czech than in the US, largely due to the widespread notion that iStuff is "snobbish".

The carrier thing is interesting - I have honestly no ideawhat phones are offered by carriers, it's not really profillic in here. Most of the people I know buy smartphones from computer vendors anyway.


That's fair enough, thanks for clarifying. Its interesting that continental Europe + eastern Europe doesn't really have as much attachment towards Apple products as English speaking countries. I wonder, does it have to do with less Apple store presence? I know the Apple Store is really Apple's true success story, since you actually have a reason to go there if you have a problem.

Yeah, carriers are important for the North American and Australian (and UK?) markets. I'm not sure why, I always buy my phones outright but I know a significant number of Australians who buy their phones on plans, where you pay as you go. Sometimes it actually isn't that much more expensive if you need an expensive, high data phone plan so I guess that's why people like to buy their phones this way. I've heard that the philosophy is a bit different in Europe and your anecdote seems to suggest that too.

But basically, that's the case. The only two companies that get all of their phones on all major carriers during the launch period is pretty much Apple and Samsung. When you're looking for a plan and a swanky new phone, you've only really got these two options to pick from.


Carriers plans means people can go into debt to afford their phones, rather than paying up front, this drives more sales obviously.

It means the world for phone manufacturers in countries like Australia, as not long ago, only way to buy phone upfront was to get it grey imported from hong kong with no warranty.

However that's changing now due to online retailers and prepay pricing coming down a lot... but majority of population probably still go on plans.
Rillanon.au
Raropatx
Profile Joined April 2013
United States3 Posts
April 17 2013 10:42 GMT
#92
On April 17 2013 13:57 Raropatx wrote:
I'll just leave this here...
...
This is the work of one guy, he use to use a BMW logo across multiple web forums until he was caught out.

just wanted to add that affinity_12 is still active and spreading fud on overclock.net and whirlpool forums
Watch your thoughts; they become words.
kmillz
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1548 Posts
April 19 2013 15:26 GMT
#93
Shame, I actually really like Samsung products, got a Samsung monitor and I had a Samsung Droid Charge (although my phone broke).

Needless to say, despite underhanded marketing techniques, I'll still buy from them because they're crap is usually pretty good in my experience (aside from my droid breaking grrr.....)
Ganz333
Profile Joined April 2013
United States7 Posts
April 20 2013 07:15 GMT
#94
On April 16 2013 17:21 Womwomwom wrote:
I don't think this is surprising. Anyone remember affinity_12? The same bloke has been doing rounds all around major tech forums and websites like The Verge, Engadget, Hardforum, Anandtech, Whirlpool, and so forth. Its kind of obvious that its him, he has a very specific posting style. Got the fucker banned because dude was shitting in my monitor thread,
I find this pretty interesting, is there any concrete proof this bloke is actually trolling all those sites? maybe the "talking points" coincide with other identities because they have been instructed on what to say
333
Womwomwom
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
5930 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-20 07:37:19
April 20 2013 07:28 GMT
#95
On April 20 2013 16:15 Ganz333 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 16 2013 17:21 Womwomwom wrote:
I don't think this is surprising. Anyone remember affinity_12? The same bloke has been doing rounds all around major tech forums and websites like The Verge, Engadget, Hardforum, Anandtech, Whirlpool, and so forth. Its kind of obvious that its him, he has a very specific posting style. Got the fucker banned because dude was shitting in my monitor thread,
I find this pretty interesting, is there any concrete proof this bloke is actually trolling all those sites? maybe the "talking points" coincide with other identities because they have been instructed on what to say


http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/postmessage.php?quote=87&topic_id=408046

Basically this, its definitely the same guy. Its hard to believe its a fanboy because he does a lot of crossposting and has the same rubbish talking points. A lot of effort just to participate on a forum if you ask me!

On April 17 2013 12:49 Meatex wrote:
So? All companies do this - EA has been ousted for doing this as well and anybody who believes random comments from first time posters on a forum deserve to buy a POS phone... except samsung phones are good
So are HTC and it pretty much comes down to budget and a persons preference.


That's a cop out and you know it. This is a matter of ethics, most companies do this but tend to do it through more "honest community participation. When AMD, Asus, and NEC do product promotion on forums, they have it clear what they're doing and actually have a reason for existing since they tend to offer support to the community.

This sort of sockpuppeting serves no purpose and companies that actively do this are no better than snake oil salesman, no matter the quality of their products.
Womwomwom
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
5930 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-20 07:31:08
April 20 2013 07:29 GMT
#96
Double post
logikly
Profile Joined February 2009
United States329 Posts
April 20 2013 07:36 GMT
#97
After living in Korea for a few years I believe it to be plausible that this is completely true. I'm interested in finding out more about this.
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Cubu
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
1171 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-20 07:56:20
April 20 2013 07:54 GMT
#98
edt: nvm misread the post
Belha
Profile Joined December 2010
Italy2850 Posts
April 20 2013 08:06 GMT
#99
Lol, I'm pretty sure most companies do this.
God, even political parties do this.

And of curse, it sux.
Chicken gank op
Proseat
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Germany5113 Posts
April 20 2013 08:13 GMT
#100
On April 16 2013 17:49 EvilTeletubby wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 16 2013 16:51 ControlMonkey wrote:
Relevant.


<3

That was one of my favorite bans.



Edit: And afterwards, he kept right at it.

Yeah, that ban post was hilarious back then. <3

Always wondered what became of the guy, missed him going at it again just after his temporary ban, haha.
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