Samsung, however, takes it to a whole new level!
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dirtydurb82
United States178 Posts
Samsung, however, takes it to a whole new level! | ||
kaisen
United States601 Posts
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DeepElemBlues
United States5079 Posts
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Aerisky
United States12128 Posts
Not sure what "more than voluntary" even means though. If it's more than voluntary, it means it was...really voluntary as a result of samsung incentivising the behavior. So it was voluntary I guess? Probably voluntary either way lol | ||
Meatex
Australia285 Posts
So are HTC and it pretty much comes down to budget and a persons preference. | ||
kaisen
United States601 Posts
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Raropatx
United States3 Posts
meet "Koehler" [2][3] "EliteIntel" [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] "bear22" [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] "Ingenieur7" [2] "affinity_12" [2] [3] "Marco Bugatti" "David Ferrari" "ForzaItaliaAzzurri7" "AwesomeDJFlame100" "eurofootball42" "SanchezStyle7" "richstar85kr" "zawchig888" This is the work of one guy, he use to use a BMW logo across multiple web forums until he was caught out. | ||
Kashll
United States1117 Posts
On April 16 2013 19:51 Womwomwom wrote: What is innovation to you? Innovation for the sake of innovation doesn't sell products. Complete packages sell products. That's why Samsung has, theoretically, the best Android smartphone on the market: the Galaxy S lineup doesn't have any real flaws besides kind of questionable material choices. That's why the iPad is still the tablet market leader: it still has one of the best screens, unquestionable GPU power, and obscene battery size. That's why Apple devices are able to sell for high prices: because the overall hardware and software package is mostly complete. Don't kid yourself, Samsung and everyone else all have their own overzealous fanbases. That's to be expected. What makes HTC phones a harder sell is the lack of attention to detail. Sense, for a long time, has been complete rubbish in terms of performance. They also have a nasty habit of packing fairly small batteries into their phones and dropping support for their phones extremely quickly. That's why they're doing poorly, just like LG's or Sony Ericsson's inability to update their phones on time (if at all). There isn't a conspiracy theory why brand x sells well and why brand y sells badly. The problem here is that, although the HTC One has solved many of these problems, it can't get a market foothold. Some of the reasons include launching too close to the Galaxy S4 announcement/too late after the Sony Xperia Z launch but the main reason is that HTC isn't the the darling OEM of the carriers anymore and they don't have the advertising budget to make sure their device is seen over other competitors. Component delays don't help things either. As noted by the OP's article, Samsung can literally pay some people to spread bad news about the phone and they can't do anything to combat it besides asking the government to step in. They can't compete against Samsung's marketing budget nor can create enough noise to get rid of constant "complaints" about the HTC One. By the time the government finds Samsung guilty (or not), its too late since HTC One has already missed its launch period. I really wanted to report this for astroturfing but apparently you can't report red's posts. JOKE RUINED ![]() | ||
ExceeD_DreaM
Canada500 Posts
I second that most companies would do this. Interesting that Taiwanese commission is the one suspecting Samsung of doing this. Protecting homegrown company it is. | ||
haduken
Australia8267 Posts
On April 17 2013 14:41 ExceeD_DreaM wrote: I don't understand why Samsung would need to talk down HTC in the first place... I would understand Apple but HTC? HTC makes great phones, but sells no where near as many as Samsung does. They are no where close to being a rival.. I second that most companies would do this. Interesting that Taiwanese commission is the one suspecting Samsung of doing this. Protecting homegrown company it is. HTC flagship phones have always been competitive. On engineering and design, I would probably put them above Samsung, but as others mentioned, their marketing sucks balls which is why they are lagging behind. They put top quality hardware in a nice chasis but then royally fuck it up by using the stupid sense UI which lags everything then follow up with no updates or zero updates. Their UI team and their CEO needs to be shot. If they release a phone on vanilla android, their sale will be through the roof! My first two smart phone were HTC, but only the google nexus phones, then when nexus moved on to another brand, I stopped buying HTC. Such a shame really, they were first to market on several trends but never really did anything with it, this is typical of Taiwanese tech companies. They are complacent staying as OEMs. | ||
haduken
Australia8267 Posts
On April 16 2013 21:45 Womwomwom wrote: That's fair enough, thanks for clarifying. Its interesting that continental Europe + eastern Europe doesn't really have as much attachment towards Apple products as English speaking countries. I wonder, does it have to do with less Apple store presence? I know the Apple Store is really Apple's true success story, since you actually have a reason to go there if you have a problem. Yeah, carriers are important for the North American and Australian (and UK?) markets. I'm not sure why, I always buy my phones outright but I know a significant number of Australians who buy their phones on plans, where you pay as you go. Sometimes it actually isn't that much more expensive if you need an expensive, high data phone plan so I guess that's why people like to buy their phones this way. I've heard that the philosophy is a bit different in Europe and your anecdote seems to suggest that too. But basically, that's the case. The only two companies that get all of their phones on all major carriers during the launch period is pretty much Apple and Samsung. When you're looking for a plan and a swanky new phone, you've only really got these two options to pick from. Carriers plans means people can go into debt to afford their phones, rather than paying up front, this drives more sales obviously. It means the world for phone manufacturers in countries like Australia, as not long ago, only way to buy phone upfront was to get it grey imported from hong kong with no warranty. However that's changing now due to online retailers and prepay pricing coming down a lot... but majority of population probably still go on plans. | ||
Raropatx
United States3 Posts
On April 17 2013 13:57 Raropatx wrote: I'll just leave this here... ... This is the work of one guy, he use to use a BMW logo across multiple web forums until he was caught out. just wanted to add that affinity_12 is still active and spreading fud on overclock.net and whirlpool forums ![]() | ||
kmillz
United States1548 Posts
Needless to say, despite underhanded marketing techniques, I'll still buy from them because they're crap is usually pretty good in my experience (aside from my droid breaking grrr.....) | ||
Ganz333
United States7 Posts
On April 16 2013 17:21 Womwomwom wrote: I find this pretty interesting, is there any concrete proof this bloke is actually trolling all those sites? maybe the "talking points" coincide with other identities because they have been instructed on what to sayI don't think this is surprising. Anyone remember affinity_12? The same bloke has been doing rounds all around major tech forums and websites like The Verge, Engadget, Hardforum, Anandtech, Whirlpool, and so forth. Its kind of obvious that its him, he has a very specific posting style. Got the fucker banned because dude was shitting in my monitor thread, | ||
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Womwomwom
5930 Posts
On April 20 2013 16:15 Ganz333 wrote: I find this pretty interesting, is there any concrete proof this bloke is actually trolling all those sites? maybe the "talking points" coincide with other identities because they have been instructed on what to say http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/postmessage.php?quote=87&topic_id=408046 Basically this, its definitely the same guy. Its hard to believe its a fanboy because he does a lot of crossposting and has the same rubbish talking points. A lot of effort just to participate on a forum if you ask me! On April 17 2013 12:49 Meatex wrote: So? All companies do this - EA has been ousted for doing this as well and anybody who believes random comments from first time posters on a forum deserve to buy a POS phone... except samsung phones are good So are HTC and it pretty much comes down to budget and a persons preference. That's a cop out and you know it. This is a matter of ethics, most companies do this but tend to do it through more "honest community participation. When AMD, Asus, and NEC do product promotion on forums, they have it clear what they're doing and actually have a reason for existing since they tend to offer support to the community. This sort of sockpuppeting serves no purpose and companies that actively do this are no better than snake oil salesman, no matter the quality of their products. | ||
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Womwomwom
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logikly
United States329 Posts
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Cubu
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Belha
Italy2850 Posts
God, even political parties do this. And of curse, it sux. | ||
Proseat
Germany5113 Posts
On April 16 2013 17:49 EvilTeletubby wrote: <3 That was one of my favorite bans. Edit: And afterwards, he kept right at it. Yeah, that ban post was hilarious back then. <3 Always wondered what became of the guy, missed him going at it again just after his temporary ban, haha. ![]() | ||
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