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aseq
Profile Joined January 2003
Netherlands3984 Posts
May 21 2013 12:51 GMT
#681
Nothing wrong with using samples, but DP just rip entire grooves (including all instruments). I like their music, don't get me wrong. But the whole vibe of the song is exactly the same. And I wouldn't have a problem with it if at least the public knows that they didn't just make these songs from scatch (and therefore are brilliant, which is the general consensus). If George Duke would re-release this song as a 2013 remix people would probably bash it, now it's suddenly great cos these guys wear helmets.
Duka08
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
3391 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-21 13:35:55
May 21 2013 13:35 GMT
#682
Sampling demonized in electronic music... What happened?

Is it because the album is popular, and people want to put them (and many other artists) on blast for "copying" now? There are lots of huge names in EDM right now that sample heavily and I haven't heard any outcry.
phil.ipp
Profile Joined May 2010
Austria1067 Posts
May 21 2013 13:45 GMT
#683
to take samples in electronic music and make a new track out of it is nothing bad.

but to take the whole track as a sample change one or two things up - thats not a new track

in electronic music we call this an edit or a remix.
Ryalnos
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1946 Posts
May 21 2013 15:46 GMT
#684
I think the random 'omg Daft Punk uses samples' post got some wires crossed here. Madeon's comment wasn't criticism, it was an observation of an interesting/not immediately obvious parallel between two neighboring tracks in an album,
which can only speak to better album cohesion as far as I'm concerned.

Earlier Tweet:

I feel so full and empty. This album is everything i wanted to hear. It's also so much of what i wanted to make.
Duka08
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
3391 Posts
May 21 2013 16:58 GMT
#685
On May 22 2013 00:46 Ryalnos wrote:
I think the random 'omg Daft Punk uses samples' post got some wires crossed here. Madeon's comment wasn't criticism, it was an observation of an interesting/not immediately obvious parallel between two neighboring tracks in an album,
which can only speak to better album cohesion as far as I'm concerned.

Earlier Tweet:

Show nested quote +
I feel so full and empty. This album is everything i wanted to hear. It's also so much of what i wanted to make.

I fully agree with your thoughts about Madeon's video/comment (my suspicions as well). It's thematic cohesion, I like it.

I think the sampling thing cropped up when someone posted the "before and after" style YouTube videos of their past works / samples.
d_so
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Korea (South)3262 Posts
May 21 2013 17:00 GMT
#686
On May 21 2013 09:53 Ryalnos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2013 09:24 WaveofShadow wrote:
On May 21 2013 06:35 Ryalnos wrote:
Hmmm... https://vine.co/v/b91KIMP2q12

I fucking love Madeon...what's he trying to say here?
A bunch of Daft Punk's music uses samples from older obscure songs; I don't find it difficult to believe that they'd adapt something to play with real instruments as well.


From Twitter:

Show nested quote +
About the Daft Punk album, has anyone else noticed the relationship between Touch and Get Lucky (same tempo, key and chord progression) ?


that is so interesting. I will give it a looksee

I REALLY like Touch. Something deep is going on here and I wish i could get to the bottom of it.
manner
Obstikal
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
616 Posts
May 21 2013 23:43 GMT
#687
Is there some where I can listen to the album for free besides itunes or w/e its called ? i dont want to DL it o.o

I figure there should be more links or streams of it out there now that the album is fully released.
Derez
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Netherlands6068 Posts
May 21 2013 23:46 GMT
#688
You can use spotify I guess.

https://play.spotify.com/album/4m2880jivSbbyEGAKfITCa
Obstikal
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
616 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-22 00:02:21
May 21 2013 23:56 GMT
#689
On May 21 2013 21:51 aseq wrote:
Nothing wrong with using samples, but DP just rip entire grooves (including all instruments). I like their music, don't get me wrong. But the whole vibe of the song is exactly the same. And I wouldn't have a problem with it if at least the public knows that they didn't just make these songs from scatch (and therefore are brilliant, which is the general consensus). If George Duke would re-release this song as a 2013 remix people would probably bash it, now it's suddenly great cos these guys wear helmets.


I'm sorry to insult you but you are an idiot if you think Duke can re-release his album remix and have it compared to the success that Daft Punk had with the sample that they took from his song. You are crediting Daft Punks success on the song due to their helmets? what?

It is also idiotic to imply that Daft Punk its trying to act as if they made all songs from scratch. Just because its the general consensus may think that, it doesnt mean they are guilty in trying secretly sample music. Most people are some what educated in what they listen to and know that maybe about 80% of songs today are inspired by old songs or samples and about 90% of EDM is based of samples of other music.

It's also even more idiotic to say that " the entire vibe is the same " from the song because of a sample. The additions they made into the song change it completely, its almost to say "hey, you enjoy DP? Listen to the song they sampled it from its just as good !" which is completely wrong. The only way you can say its giving you the same vibe is if you are being ignorant to the entire song.
Obstikal
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
616 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-22 00:02:55
May 22 2013 00:02 GMT
#690
On May 22 2013 08:46 Derez wrote:
You can use spotify I guess.

https://play.spotify.com/album/4m2880jivSbbyEGAKfITCa


Thank you
Arceus
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Vietnam8333 Posts
May 22 2013 03:33 GMT
#691
here it is http://nobpm.tumblr.com/post/50990752528/daft-punk-horizon-japan-bonus-track
some ambient sound that somewhat reminds me of Pink Floyd's Marooned
mavignon
Profile Joined November 2010
France369 Posts
May 22 2013 04:29 GMT
#692
On May 22 2013 02:00 d_so wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2013 09:53 Ryalnos wrote:
On May 21 2013 09:24 WaveofShadow wrote:
On May 21 2013 06:35 Ryalnos wrote:
Hmmm... https://vine.co/v/b91KIMP2q12

I fucking love Madeon...what's he trying to say here?
A bunch of Daft Punk's music uses samples from older obscure songs; I don't find it difficult to believe that they'd adapt something to play with real instruments as well.


From Twitter:

About the Daft Punk album, has anyone else noticed the relationship between Touch and Get Lucky (same tempo, key and chord progression) ?


that is so interesting. I will give it a looksee

I REALLY like Touch. Something deep is going on here and I wish i could get to the bottom of it.


Yes the whole album is meant to be listened as a whole. Check out the Chilly Gonzales vid from The Creators Project, he explains things about progression, how the piano part at the beginning of Within is made to make transition between the first 3 songs (same chord) and Within, etc.
Wrongspeedy
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1655 Posts
May 22 2013 06:00 GMT
#693
Love it. Instant Crush on Instant Crush of course. Can't wait to listen more to the album while driving at work tmw!
It is better to be a human dissatisfied than a pig satisfied; better to be Socrates dissatisfied than a fool satisfied.- John Stuart Mill
Tobberoth
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden6375 Posts
May 22 2013 08:56 GMT
#694
Don't really understand why this album is getting so much space everywhere... yeah it's Daft Punk, whoop de doo, the album is pretty mediocre. Not that Daft Punk has ever been amazing, but this is IMO far worse than their old stuff. It's not that it's "bad" per se, but it's not good and it's not interesting. The album is just... boring to listen to. I'm quite confident if it wasn't Daft Punk, it would have been ignored and forgotten.
RedTerror
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
New Zealand742 Posts
May 22 2013 09:05 GMT
#695
I like it better than Homework but not as much as Discovery. Giorgio, Instant crush, Touch and Contact are all very enjoyable songs.
Ryalnos
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1946 Posts
May 22 2013 14:53 GMT
#696
On May 22 2013 17:56 Tobberoth wrote:
Don't really understand why this album is getting so much space everywhere... yeah it's Daft Punk, whoop de doo, the album is pretty mediocre. Not that Daft Punk has ever been amazing, but this is IMO far worse than their old stuff. It's not that it's "bad" per se, but it's not good and it's not interesting. The album is just... boring to listen to. I'm quite confident if it wasn't Daft Punk, it would have been ignored and forgotten.


Music tastes are subjective. Move along...
0x64
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Finland4581 Posts
May 22 2013 17:15 GMT
#697
While we are on the subject...
Prodigy made awesome use of sampling.
Dump of assembler code from 0xffffffec to 0x64: End of assembler dump.
Obstikal
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
616 Posts
May 22 2013 17:42 GMT
#698
On May 23 2013 02:15 0x64 wrote:
While we are on the subject...
Prodigy made awesome use of sampling.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZYLp5uX9Yw


i would have never thought that song was made entirely from samples but man they did a great job with it ! very impressive
chillpenguin
Profile Joined March 2011
United States90 Posts
May 22 2013 18:52 GMT
#699
On May 23 2013 02:42 Obstikal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2013 02:15 0x64 wrote:
While we are on the subject...
Prodigy made awesome use of sampling.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZYLp5uX9Yw


i would have never thought that song was made entirely from samples but man they did a great job with it ! very impressive


I can't see the video cause it's blocked at my work, but I'm guessing that's the video of a dude recreating Smack my Bitch up in Abelton?

That's an example of some awesome shit you can do with samples, how you can manipulate them in such a way that they become their own instrument. The video I posted was an example of some lame shit you can do with samples.
Yoshi-
Profile Joined October 2008
Germany10227 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-22 18:56:06
May 22 2013 18:55 GMT
#700
+ Show Spoiler +
Here is the bonus track from the japanese edition


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