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On April 01 2013 04:13 docvoc wrote:
I see these all the time and I just think, god I hope not. I hope we never unlock immortality, because the things that could be abused with immortality vastly outweight the positives.
More so than killing every human alive?
Edit: I mean the abuses would have to be worse than killing every human alive, as the outcome without it is that everyone dies. I realised that someone might think I was suggesting that opposition meant you were literally killing people, which I'm not.
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On March 31 2013 13:58 Aelfric wrote:
No, even if they do i don't think they will let public know about it.
Oh you bet they will. The money they'll make... my god...
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Hopefully. Or if there's only enough immortality juice discovered just for me, that's ok too.
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lol fuck that I don't wanna be immortal anyway. The world is overpopulated, there are too many miseries in daily. I just wanna live happily until may be 60-70 and die easily.
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No, and thank the Lord for it.
Immortality is for antagonists and wussies.
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I read this really interesting article titled "5 Reasons Immortality Would be Worse than Death" and I thought they made some pretty funny points. If you lived forever, eventually you would get stuck somewhere for eternity..
We spend so much time being afraid of death that we forget the one, overwhelming benefit death offers every species: cutting short suffering. Obviously when we talk about immortality we're picturing always being young and healthy, not laying in a bed suffering from lung cancer forever and ever.
But it's a dangerous world out there, and any number of freak accidents could get you stuck somewhere, with no escape, for the rest of time.
Say an earthquake strikes the building that you're in, and it collapses while you're in the basement parking garage. You're pinned under a million tons of concrete and drywall. All you can do is wait for rescue. Only don't count on being rescued, because the people in charge of doing that tend to give up when shit gets too hard to dig through and they've pulled enough people out to say, "We tried."
The only hope you might have is that when they build on the newly vacant spot a decade later, they might discover you along with other dead bodies while moving the rubble. But if the city of Savannah is any indication, people find it easier to just build on top of all the corpses instead of moving them somewhere else.
OK, but really what are the odds you'll be caught in an earthquake (or any other disaster of that nature)? Well, if you live forever, the odds are pretty much 100 percent. Unless the world ends before it has a chance to happen. So now instead of getting trapped in a building, you have to worry about being the lone survivor of a nuclear war, or a giant meteor strike, or another Ice Age, or collision with another planet, or the sun dying.
Even if you make it out unscathed, you're now alone. You'll be forced to live out your life slowly going crazy like a less awesome Will Smith without any zombies to shoot. You won't even have the dog.
And that's assuming the Earth stays intact. A comet could come smashing into the planet like the Kool-Aid Man and send you hurtling through infinite space. Best case scenario is you only float through the void for a few decades before you crash on Mars. At that point you're basically passing the time until intelligent life evolves there. You're going to get really good at making sand castles.
So enjoy your life while you're alive. But if you run across the Holy Grail, don't drink from it. It's going to end badly.
http://www.cracked.com/article_18708_5-reasons-immortality-would-be-worse-than-death_p2.html
^ Funny read if you wanna see 2-5.
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No. I'm utterly convinced that no one will ever unlock the secret to immortality.
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really? utterly convinced? pretty strong statement right there.....got anything to back it up?
there have been plenty of studies on this you know, and we are actually fairly close to achieving it. theyve already gotten a mouse to reverse its aging process. it really shouldnt be too hard, definitely achievable. and no way that it doesnt get released to the public. i would pay a shitton of money for it.
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On April 01 2013 06:34 shizaep wrote:
No. I'm utterly convinced that no one will ever unlock the secret to immortality.
Same here. Death will always find a way.
Btw time travel will never be "unlocked" either.
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On April 01 2013 08:19 HeavenS wrote:
really? utterly convinced? pretty strong statement right there.....got anything to back it up?
there have been plenty of studies on this you know, and we are actually fairly close to achieving it. theyve already gotten a mouse to reverse its aging process. it really shouldnt be too hard, definitely achievable. and no way that it doesnt get released to the public. i would pay a shitton of money for it.
People would kill eachother for a recipe that gives immortality. Quite a paradox and just another reason for why it will never happen.
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On April 01 2013 08:19 HeavenS wrote:
really? utterly convinced? pretty strong statement right there.....got anything to back it up?
there have been plenty of studies on this you know, and we are actually fairly close to achieving it. theyve already gotten a mouse to reverse its aging process. it really shouldnt be too hard, definitely achievable. and no way that it doesnt get released to the public. i would pay a shitton of money for it.
You seem to be confusing the definitions of temporary and eternal. We are talking about immortality, not adding a few years to a life.
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I feel like if they did, you would have to justify why you should live longer. Probably a lot of the "justifications" will be "i have a lot of cash". To be honest, I think at this point I would prefer death. Thank you depression 
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On April 01 2013 08:19 HeavenS wrote:
really? utterly convinced? pretty strong statement right there.....got anything to back it up?
there have been plenty of studies on this you know, and we are actually fairly close to achieving it. theyve already gotten a mouse to reverse its aging process. it really shouldnt be too hard, definitely achievable. and no way that it doesnt get released to the public. i would pay a shitton of money for it.
I'd like to see a link to that or a DOI so I can look it up. As far as I know, we don't really know all the causes of aging. We know about telomeres shortening but that doesn't explain everything about aging.
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I'd rather die a thousand deaths than to live one life forever.
On April 01 2013 08:23 DaCruise wrote:Show nested quote +On April 01 2013 06:34 shizaep wrote:
No. I'm utterly convinced that no one will ever unlock the secret to immortality. Same here. Death will always find a way. Btw time travel will never be "unlocked" either.
Just as flying, going into space and walking on the moon were impossible (which is what you're referring to). It's as irresponsible and ignorant to state the impossibles as it is to say said impossibles are possible on a lack of evidence, all one can say is that time and time again the only thing humanity has managed to do is shape the definition of possible while always seemingly surpassing their own expectations.
Will we one day unlock FTL travel and possibly time travel or immortality? No idea, and neither do you which means both the statement that it's either inevitable or impossible are equally undetermined and as such can be removed from a discussion.
: D just a side note.
On April 01 2013 08:36 kmillz wrote:Show nested quote +On April 01 2013 08:19 HeavenS wrote:
really? utterly convinced? pretty strong statement right there.....got anything to back it up?
there have been plenty of studies on this you know, and we are actually fairly close to achieving it. theyve already gotten a mouse to reverse its aging process. it really shouldnt be too hard, definitely achievable. and no way that it doesnt get released to the public. i would pay a shitton of money for it. You seem to be confusing the definitions of temporary and eternal. We are talking about immortality, not adding a few years to a life.
Also immortality is a misnomer in the context used in this thread, all it means is "living forever" but a bus crash will still kill you (that is how I'm taking this).
maybe, with nano technology and stem cell research, we may go to an age where your body simply redefines aging (i.e. ages backwards, some animals can do this process) and can instantly mend any wound through nano processing.
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On April 01 2013 08:19 HeavenS wrote:
really? utterly convinced? pretty strong statement right there.....got anything to back it up?
there have been plenty of studies on this you know, and we are actually fairly close to achieving it. theyve already gotten a mouse to reverse its aging process. it really shouldnt be too hard, definitely achievable. and no way that it doesnt get released to the public. i would pay a shitton of money for it.
there are different kinds of immortality. the perfect godlike immortality will never be achieved. a gun will always kill a man, so will famine and dehydration. i also doubt eternal youth will be achieved. which leaves an immortality in which we become very old bit retain a sort of physical fitness. sadly what they have achieved for regular cells does not seem to work for braincells. so we would be fit in body but still age in mind. its not appealling imo, with an average lifespan of 80 in rich countries alzeimer is already becoming a big issue. imagine if we lived for much longer.
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I'm decently sure it's at least within the realm of possibilities that we can "cure" aging within 500 years or so, and that's all I would ever hope for in immortality, the ability to live for as long as you want. Actual immortality in the sense that you literally can't die, would be terrible and would be quite impossible unless we could regenerate our whole body instantly if it got harmed, and this somehow didn't wipe our brains.
We don't really know how aging works, but we already do experiments in prolonging life successfully, and one could say that it's all you need. If we within 50 years become able to prolong life by 30 years... then within those 30 years, we come up with a way to prolong life 50 years... then within those 50 years, we come up with a way to prolong it 100 years.. with some luck, you could be in the segment which benefits from each improvement and thus are always a few steps ahead of death. There is a TED talk on this exact matter.
I don't think it's really comparable to time travel or FTL travel. By our current knowledge, we know both to be impossible, we need to find something completely new to make it possible, physics as we know them today do not permit it. Prolonging life and thus effectively fighting aging, doesn't break physics, we just don't know how to do it and how well we could make it work. However, we know of animals who aren't affected by senescence because they can regenerate themselves, so to compare that to FTL or timetravel, we would have to know about elements moving faster than light/through time. Which we don't because if we did, we wouldn't consider it impossible.
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Yes dear Hug-A-Hydralisk, you will live forever if you can survive 20 more years. Life expectancy in 15 years will increase by 1 year per year because of all the new medical technologies including growing synthetic organs in labs that uses your own cells to make it so it is like your own organ and your body does not reject it, so that means when you are 60 you can just get a new heart like you are 20. Just this step will increase lifespan by a LOT and that is just the surface of whats to come.
New ways of treating diseases and slowing down aging are being worked on atm that will revolutionize the biology of humans. DNA analysis is available to the public allready, I paid 160$ to have my genome analyzed and it showed me all the odds that i will get certain diseases so I can prevent them better. In 10 years DNA sequencing will become even more efficient and we will be able to manipulate it directly in many amazing ways to increase our health and longevity.
In 20-30 years computers will be so powerful that they will be able to make blood-cell sized nanorobots programmed of fighting infections and disease as well as providing oxygens in a more efficient way. Such blood nanorobots might sound sci-fi to some people but it is not, even today scientists are making microscopics robots they can inject in the eyes of patients and control it with a joystick to fix a specific condition. Another one made tiny devices that cured diabetes in some animals when injected in the bloodstream.
Your iphone today is 1 million times more powerful than all the computers the nasa had COMBINED when they went on the moon, in 20 years that iphone will be the size of bloodcells. This also make rise to real artificial intelligence which will increase the speed of technology even more.
Most people think this will happen only in 100 or 300 years because they see the world in a linear way while it is augmenting exponentially. In 1970 a scientist by the name Jacques Monod published a book that won him a nobel prize that said: that size of the DNA prevent any modification to ever be made. In 1976 the first DNA manipulations started.
In 1990 the global consensus of geneticists agreed that we will NEVER be able to completely decode the human genome, the most optimistic said it will take 3 to 5 century
The Human genome project was completed in: 2003
All these ideas are based on real solid evidences and statistics of the current world and speed which it is evolving
I am convinced some people in here will live a thousand years
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On April 01 2013 08:50 TSORG wrote:Show nested quote +On April 01 2013 08:19 HeavenS wrote:
really? utterly convinced? pretty strong statement right there.....got anything to back it up?
there have been plenty of studies on this you know, and we are actually fairly close to achieving it. theyve already gotten a mouse to reverse its aging process. it really shouldnt be too hard, definitely achievable. and no way that it doesnt get released to the public. i would pay a shitton of money for it. there are different kinds of immortality. the perfect godlike immortality will never be achieved. a gun will always kill a man, so will famine and dehydration. i also doubt eternal youth will be achieved. which leaves an immortality in which we become very old bit retain a sort of physical fitness. sadly what they have achieved for regular cells does not seem to work for braincells. so we would be fit in body but still age in mind. its not appealling imo, with an average lifespan of 80 in rich countries alzeimer is already becoming a big issue. imagine if we lived for much longer.
Hm. The long term goal of nano bots have this very purpose and more.
You all thinking about a magic pill. That won´t happen. But a mix of major technologys is approaching that will change humanity forever. You can argue about the ethic and how long it will take but not that those technologys won´t ever come.
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Entropy will always win.
I do believe that at some point we will be able to live 200 years on average, but immortality ? I wouldnt bet the house on it.
Maybe we can find a way to transfer minds into new bodies, or something like that, but I dont think we will manage to get everlasting bodies, or transfer ourselves to a machine
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