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Alright, enough religious debate. If you want to talk about Pope Benedict and what he specifically did or didn't do, go ahead. But no more general discussion on the merits or ills of the Catholic church or their history. -page 12 | ||
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dreamsmasher
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Bippzy
United States1466 Posts
On February 12 2013 06:43 Chylo wrote: Pope just comes from the Greek word for Father. So it's just a familiar or kind name given to him. His official titles are Bishop of Rome, Vicar of Christ, etc. Next, the Old Testament has priests all over the place. From Melchizedek to the Levite priests. If there are priests in the old covenant then there are priests in the new. Hebrews 7 talks extensively about priesthood and there are many more references. You have not read Scripture very well. Actually, I think his comment is right on target. In old, lame, feudal Europe they had modified versions of the Bible and the Pope was god's right man, infallible(incapable of sin) and holy himself. Although the papacy has had to tone down it's ridiculous claims of religious power because governments now have more power than it(thank god), the concept of the pope according to anyone who just reads the bible is at worst frivolous and at best something you can have I guess if you want. Pope has way too much import. Should get real jobs instead of being some pseudo president of religion. That's why I think the new pope should be young and as progressive as the religion allows, since thats the best thing the position can do. | ||
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metbull
United States404 Posts
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Cloud9157
United States2968 Posts
With that said, I hope that the next pope will be someone more progressive, though I doubt that will happen. The Catholic Church is comprised of old, white men that resist change in every way shape and form. They will elect another old white man and he will be the same as the hundred odd that were before him. The failure of the Catholic Church to adapt will ultimately be its undoing. | ||
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maybenexttime
Poland5739 Posts
On February 12 2013 06:58 Cloud9157 wrote: Benedict can hide behind the fact that it was his mental+physical health that caused him to resign, but there is no way all of these scandals didn't affect his decision in the end. With that said, I hope that the next pope will be someone more progressive, though I doubt that will happen. The Catholic Church is comprised of old, white men that resist change in every way shape and form. They will elect another old white man and he will be the same as the hundred odd that were before him. The failure of the Catholic Church to adapt will ultimately be its undoing. I don't think a Pope from South America or Africa would be any more liberal. | ||
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Chylo
United States220 Posts
On February 12 2013 06:58 Cloud9157 wrote: Benedict can hide behind the fact that it was his mental+physical health that caused him to resign, but there is no way all of these scandals didn't affect his decision in the end. With that said, I hope that the next pope will be someone more progressive, though I doubt that will happen. The Catholic Church is comprised of old, white men that resist change in every way shape and form. They will elect another old white man and he will be the same as the hundred odd that were before him. The failure of the Catholic Church to adapt will ultimately be its undoing. Lol. 2000 years later it's still here, with nearly 1 billion members. The modern world is obsessed with adapting and change. The fundamental reason for the Church's success is its ability to be unchanging and not bow to every novelty of the day. | ||
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peekn
United States1152 Posts
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Myles
United States5162 Posts
On February 12 2013 07:02 maybenexttime wrote: I don't think a Pope from South America or Africa would be any more liberal. From my understanding they are actually much more conservative. | ||
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AdamBanks
Canada996 Posts
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[UoN]Sentinel
United States11320 Posts
On February 12 2013 06:58 Cloud9157 wrote: Benedict can hide behind the fact that it was his mental+physical health that caused him to resign, but there is no way all of these scandals didn't affect his decision in the end. With that said, I hope that the next pope will be someone more progressive, though I doubt that will happen. The Catholic Church is comprised of old, white men that resist change in every way shape and form. They will elect another old white man and he will be the same as the hundred odd that were before him. The failure of the Catholic Church to adapt will ultimately be its undoing. vv On February 12 2013 02:08 koreasilver wrote: Surely; therefore Aquinas, Counter-Reformation, and Vatican II. | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
Look at the three other popes in history (unashamed use of wikipedia) who resigned: one because of a deal w/ the Avignon papacy, one who resigned then decided to come back, one was forced into being pope before ditching the job, and a couple others. All of them more than 600 years ago. I'm alright with Benedict (apart from the entire looking like Palpatine thing, but that's not his fault). He's not progressive, but he's been trying to build bridges. + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/64517_10200179780688876_1427941413_n.jpg) | ||
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Sandermatt
Switzerland1365 Posts
On February 12 2013 07:05 AdamBanks wrote: I want an Asian pope. Preferable korean, who likes esports. Is boxer catholic? Don't let Jessica hear what you just proposed. | ||
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Badboyrune
Sweden2247 Posts
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Myt
Germany318 Posts
On February 12 2013 06:40 Velocirapture wrote: When Pope Benedict was elected I think it was a shock to a lot of progressive Catholic youths like myself because Pope John Paul the second was such an amazingly progressive figure. If the 70s could bring about the first Polish pope who also has the most progressive views on sin and sinners the church has ever seen then surely we can do better in the 2000s right? Basically all i remember hearing from Benedict's reign was consistent doubling down on doctrine, the divisive nature of which no doubt making an already difficult job near unbearable. I agree with the man on basically nothing but I respect the gravity of his role as vicar of Christ. I look forward to what a younger perspective could offer the office. I'm sorry, but I don't think there where many differences between John Paul and Benedict beside looks. It was John Paul who brought Ratzinger to Rome and made him for 20 years one of the most influential persons in the vatican. It was also John Paul who didn't accept Ratzingers resignation 3 years before John Paul's death. Ratzinger forced always John Paul politics before he became pope himself. Beside that, I'm really not a fan of catholic church or Benedict's positions but I think they are much more complex as in this thread stated. | ||
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vividred
88 Posts
uhh what? unless the so called "liberal" defined here in the US is what you're talking about then LOL | ||
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Shiori
3815 Posts
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SupLilSon
Malaysia4123 Posts
On February 12 2013 07:04 Chylo wrote: Lol. 2000 years later it's still here, with nearly 1 billion members. The modern world is obsessed with adapting and change. The fundamental reason for the Church's success is its ability to be unchanging and not bow to every novelty of the day. Shrinking in educated areas and growing rapidly in areas of poverty and illiteracy.... | ||
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jinorazi
Korea (South)4948 Posts
 i think it sends a different, contradictory message to the people. maybe it means even the conservative religious are becoming rational in terms of someone's health and what needs to be done, instead of letting god do what he wills. shouldn't a pope's proper action be "god, i will do whatever it is that you ask of me, through happiness or pain, whatever it takes" but "i'm getting too tired/sick, i can't do this anymore" doesnt seem like the mindset of a deeply religious person. | ||
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Jisall
United States2054 Posts
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prophecy_of_the_Popes Lol about the liberal pope talk. If you looking to change a religion, just leave that religion. They do the things they do because it is in their scripture, not because it is what the some people deem they should do. Accept a religion for what it is and stands for, or pick a different religion. | ||
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Dekoth
United States527 Posts
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