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ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22208 Posts
May 24 2018 14:12 GMT
#3641


the trump-kim summit is off....for now
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
evilfatsh1t
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia8642 Posts
May 24 2018 14:34 GMT
#3642
id normally be incredibly disappointed but i gotta say i saw this coming since the beginning. too predictable with trump
Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
May 24 2018 14:46 GMT
#3643
That letter reads very strangely as if every paragraph were written by three different people. Every now and then a random Trump sentence would be placed at random, in between the official diplomatic language.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
May 24 2018 14:49 GMT
#3644
In a shocking turn of events, Trumps tweet based diplomacy is unable to make headway in a 60 year old stalemate.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Womwomwom
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
5930 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-05-24 15:17:12
May 24 2018 15:15 GMT
#3645
Like I said, a state department would have helped since they probably would have advised Trump and the Whitehouse to not bring up Libya, bail out of the Iran deal at the time they did and not do victory laps before finalising any deal.

But apparently state departments are over-educated useless people and Trump, a man who literally has negotiated nothing in his life, would be the man to solve this 60 year or so conflict.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
May 24 2018 15:27 GMT
#3646
Bolton is a dumpster fire when it comes to diplomacy. The rest of the world doesn’t have the goldfish memory of the US citizens, especially when its someone like Bolton who talks about bombing countries a lot. People tend to remember the diplomats that casually threaten to bomb them.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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ZerOCoolSC2
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
8982 Posts
May 24 2018 15:33 GMT
#3647
So...how much credit does trump deserve for this? Asking for a friend.
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15679 Posts
May 24 2018 15:34 GMT
#3648
On May 25 2018 00:27 Plansix wrote:
Bolton is a dumpster fire when it comes to diplomacy. The rest of the world doesn’t have the goldfish memory of the US citizens, especially when its someone like Bolton who talks about bombing countries a lot. People tend to remember the diplomats that casually threaten to bomb them.

The whole thing died the moment Bolton said "Libya". Hell, the whole thing was dead the moment Bolton was brought on board.
Womwomwom
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
5930 Posts
May 24 2018 16:10 GMT
#3649
On May 25 2018 00:27 Plansix wrote:
Bolton is a dumpster fire when it comes to diplomacy. The rest of the world doesn’t have the goldfish memory of the US citizens, especially when its someone like Bolton who talks about bombing countries a lot. People tend to remember the diplomats that casually threaten to bomb them.


Bolton wanted to intentionally tank the talks so what he did is absolutely not surprising. The fact that Trump brought him onboard and didn’t seem to understand what happened to Libya or Gaddafi started the whole comedy of errors that we now see today.

Earlier leaks seemed to suggest the US was willing to compromise a whole lot to get a huge PR win and normalise relations with North Korea. Bolton wanted to tank the talks through making North Korea agree to terms they could never realistically meet. When it was clear Trump and the Whitehouse wanted to make a deal no matter what, it seems like Bolton started to bring up Libya to really poison the well.
Zaros
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom3692 Posts
May 24 2018 16:16 GMT
#3650
Is it possible Trump just did all this to get them to release 3 prisoners and blow up some of the nuclear site for nothing in return?
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15679 Posts
May 24 2018 16:19 GMT
#3651
On May 25 2018 01:16 Zaros wrote:
Is it possible Trump just did all this to get them to release 3 prisoners and blow up some of the nuclear site for nothing in return?


The nuclear site doesn't matter because the bombs work. They don't need the test site. Every country is now operating under the assumption that NK can indeed use ICBMs to nuke people. NK succeeded.
sc-darkness
Profile Joined August 2017
856 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-05-24 16:31:41
May 24 2018 16:23 GMT
#3652
That will be too stupid because North Koreans will retaliate like they did in the past. I think it's just an unlucky coincidence.
The problem with America is it focuses too much on war and not enough on peace. That's why Libya triggers people.
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
May 25 2018 03:31 GMT
#3653
North Korea's test site was also about to collapse in on itself and the surrounding residents are pretty much deformed aliens because of the radiation. By the terms of the letter, Donald canceled the summit because NK issued an angry and hostile statement. So it seems like more of an image based cancellation from Donald. He pretty much needs to get lucky (and not be bribed) to have a success on any of these foreign policy issues (other than cancellations a la 1990s North Korea).
zatic
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Zurich15325 Posts
May 25 2018 09:36 GMT
#3654
And back to baseline. Really you got to feel for South Korea, hoping for progress but being tied to this US admin. But really what did anyone expect. Trump just isn't a high caliber diplomat in the format of giants like of Dennis Rodman.

More seriously though, what could Trump have possibly offered in return for his demands? That was a nonstarter already. Bringing in the insanity of Bolton and the "Libya model" killed a deal that wasn't going to happen in the first place.
ModeratorI know Teamliquid is known as a massive building
QuickStriker
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States3694 Posts
May 25 2018 17:29 GMT
#3655
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/05/25/trump-north-korea-statement-reaction-608628

And now it looks like the summit might be back on! What a reversal and change in diplomacy in a day!
www.twitch.tv/KoreanUsher
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United Kingdom13775 Posts
May 25 2018 17:32 GMT
#3656
Another splendid job by the man in charge! Props and credit to him for this.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States42633 Posts
May 25 2018 20:31 GMT
#3657
Nothing says strength like walking away to see if they'll follow, then coming back when they don't.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
a_flayer
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Netherlands2826 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-05-26 14:04:42
May 26 2018 12:50 GMT
#3658
On May 26 2018 02:32 LegalLord wrote:
Another splendid job by the man in charge! Props and credit to him for this.

When you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all.

It's so beautiful to see two people coming together in mutual disrespect for a stupid narcissistic asshole.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-44265287
The leaders of North and South Korea have met in the demilitarised border area between the two countries.

The meeting is only the second between South Korea's Moon Jae-in and the North's Kim Jong-un.

It comes as the two sides continue efforts to put a historic US-North Korea summit back on track.

On Thursday US President Donald Trump cancelled the summit, scheduled for 12 June, but later suggested it might still go ahead.

The latest talks were held on the northern side of the Panmunjom truce village, between 15:00 and 17:00 local time (06:00 and 08:00 GMT), Mr Moon's office said.

"Both leaders exchanged opinions... for the successful holding of the North Korea-US Summit," it added, saying that Mr Moon will announce the outcome of the talks on Sunday morning.
When you came along so righteous with a new national hate, so convincing is the ardor of war and of men, it's harder to breathe than to believe you're a friend. The wars at home, the wars abroad, all soaked in blood and lies and fraud.
micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24676 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-06-12 02:22:47
June 12 2018 02:22 GMT
#3659
[image loading]

I suppose Kim Jong Un shaking hands with President Trump counts as NK doing a surprising thing. We will see how the talks go.
ModeratorThere are animal crackers for people and there are people crackers for animals.
calh
Profile Joined March 2013
537 Posts
June 12 2018 04:49 GMT
#3660
At least their flags have the same colors, and are both stars and stripes.
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