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Teggy03
Profile Joined April 2011
34 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-20 15:35:50
December 20 2012 15:33 GMT
#221
It's funny that FPS games get some of the most scrutiny by these anti -ideo game types, especially since most of them are based on the fundamentals of war; something that just about every government that has ever existed in human history has condoned. If they really want to scrutinize video games so much, perhaps they should also scrutinize the defense budget as well. Hypocrites.

edited: Clarity
timurStas
Profile Joined June 2012
68 Posts
December 20 2012 17:01 GMT
#222
The only way sc2 can help a killer is if he uses drones controlled topographically with a mouse and keyboard.
ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
December 20 2012 17:46 GMT
#223
I murder all the time while playing video games, that is, murder my keyboard with my amazing 178 APM.
Life?
Parnage
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States7414 Posts
December 20 2012 17:52 GMT
#224
Ah nothing like wasting more cash on stupid projects to make yourself look good. Oh well, it's just so good to know that my congress has time to deal with video games but can't quite bother passing a budget or you know deal with that whole on the verge of an economic cliff thing. Clearly throwing money at a study about video games potential for violence is the more important issue at hand! *sigh*

First it was comic books, followed by rock and roll, followed by D&D, onto blaming Rap music and than TV and Movies and currently Video games. What tripe and what a colossal waste of time and money.
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Fenris420
Profile Joined November 2011
Sweden213 Posts
December 20 2012 18:59 GMT
#225
Of course the killer played games. Studies show that almost every you male in the US does (http://www.pewinternet.org/Reports/2008/Teens-Video-Games-and-Civics/04-11-Who-Is-Playing-Games/3-Almost-all-girls-and-boys-play-video-games.aspx).

You could sample anyone in the demographic and in 99% of the cases they would have played video games to some degree. You could most likely also blame violence in general, since it is not unique to games. Violence exists in books, news, the real world and pretty much every other media we have access to. You can use the same hypothesis to support the ban/restriction for anything that isnt a cooking show or spongebob (unsure about the latter).

There is also a very long historical tradition of glorifying violent people. We hold parades for returning soldier who are essentially just government sanctioned murderers. We depict generals as heroes, despite knowing full well that some of the most attrocious crimes of war were their doing. Each and every part of our history is saturated with violence and we do not condemn it there. In fact, in many ways we encourage it. Just look at how most countries were even formed.

Computer games are no more or less violent than the rest of the world. They are a cultural reflection of our time and all of the history behind our society today. The only difference between playing a game and watching a movie is that you are cognitively engaged in a game. It poses abstract challenges that you need to overcome, a movie does not.

There is a generation gap however. A lot of older people never played games on computers, but they did play board games. How is risk or chess any less violent? They are not, just different. Regardless of this, the computer games are unknown to some people and people are afraid of the unknown. In my lifetime, the people in charge have blamed the following things for causing violence and "unwanted" behaviour:

- metal music
- hiphop
- trance/rave
- dungeons and dragons
- comic books
- disney movies and other childrens tv
- vampire books (didn't catch on really)
- satanism
- violent TV
- violent movies
- violent games
- martial arts
- online forums (a place for all above mentioned rejects I suppose)

Im 27 years old. This is not a long time frame for such a wide array of conclusions. What they all have in common is that they are all new kinds of activities. Such things did not exist when the older people were young and hence they get suspected of cause all the troubles in the world.

Not that there actually are troubles. I think across the board crime and violence is on a decline, but I don't have sources for that. If true, this means that the people of today are less violent than the people that belong to the older generation were. Despite school shootings, 99% of the less violent people play games. What are they even trying to find? That there is some sort of global epidemic of mass murderers just waiting to happen?

Try looking into how society has become so adept at not just alienating but systematically judging and comparing people to others all the time. What happens to the people who can't play that game? They get marginalized. Look at how so many people are miserable despite living perfectly good lives. This is the common ground for all these school shootings, not video games.

Crownlol
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States3726 Posts
December 20 2012 19:05 GMT
#226
On December 21 2012 02:01 timurStas wrote:
The only way sc2 can help a killer is if he uses drones controlled topographically with a mouse and keyboard.



Uhm. I think you just defined the new era of warfare.

New headline inc:

US Government increases drone capability, hires SC2 pros.
shaGuar :: elemeNt :: XeqtR :: naikon :: method
Infinite976
Profile Joined October 2010
United States92 Posts
December 20 2012 19:17 GMT
#227
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=389276

..move along.. this is "much ado about nothing"..
Scootaloo
Profile Joined January 2012
655 Posts
December 20 2012 19:49 GMT
#228
This is just godamn hilarious, the actual problem that leads to these shootings, America's massive gun lobby keeping the damn things legal and easily obtainable, just get's ignored because Obama doesn't have the balls to stand up to them.
And now Video games have to be the scapegoat, because they have to blame something right?
At this point, so many kids play video games that it's very unlikely for one to do a shooting while not having played any, not to mention that if parents don't want their kids playing video games, they're prolly not going to have a gun either.

But fuck it, let's censor video games even further then they already are (because we can have ultra violent movies but video games have to be straight up banned instead of being bound to age restrictions), god bless America.
Jollocks
Profile Joined February 2012
32 Posts
December 20 2012 20:22 GMT
#229
If this is true, then how do they plan on enforcing this? Wont peoples just get them shipped in from other countries?
Xirroh
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada146 Posts
December 20 2012 20:30 GMT
#230
A study looking at the behavioral effect of violent video games on people who are already diagnosed with a mental disorder could be benifitial.
Infinite976
Profile Joined October 2010
United States92 Posts
December 20 2012 20:38 GMT
#231
On December 21 2012 05:30 Xirroh wrote:
A study looking at the behavioral effect of violent video games on people who are already diagnosed with a mental disorder could be benifitial.


...because if only the spoiled brat SRI prescribed Aspergers syndrome Ritalin head with the Bushmaster .223, Sig, and Glock hadn’t played STARCRAFT in the nerd club at school, none of this would have ever happened!

Fucking morons... our legislators ignorance and hypocracy are palpable!
mewo
Profile Joined July 2011
United States221 Posts
December 20 2012 20:42 GMT
#232
Anyone know if this has republican support?
SirKibbleX
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
United States479 Posts
December 20 2012 20:49 GMT
#233
Jesus did any of you even read the OP? They just want to do a study on the effects of video game violence. Chances are this is a GOOD THING that they are doing this. Now there will finally be clear evidence done by real, legitimate scientists on whether or not video game violence correlates with real life violence (pro-tip: it doesn't, so you have nothing to worry about).

Stop worrying and realize this is a good thing in disguise (the study, not the violence).
Praemonitus, Praemunitus.
Infinite976
Profile Joined October 2010
United States92 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-20 21:03:52
December 20 2012 21:03 GMT
#234
On December 21 2012 05:49 SirKibbleX wrote:
Jesus did any of you even read the OP? They just want to do a study on the effects of video game violence. Chances are this is a GOOD THING that they are doing this. Now there will finally be clear evidence done by real, legitimate scientists on whether or not video game violence correlates with real life violence (pro-tip: it doesn't, so you have nothing to worry about).

Stop worrying and realize this is a good thing in disguise (the study, not the violence).


http://www.pcgamer.com/2012/12/20/violence-and-videogames-we-look-at-the-studies-cited-in-the-aftermath-of-sandy-hook/

If the National Academy of Sciences has as much credibility as Iowa State University’s Professor Craig Anderson who heads the International Society for Research on Aggression and quotes their "conclusive" studies on CNN without mentioning he's the director and ultimately commissioned the study, I think we have plenty of reason to be worried!
Integra
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Sweden5626 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-20 21:20:28
December 20 2012 21:15 GMT
#235
On December 21 2012 05:49 SirKibbleX wrote:
Jesus did any of you even read the OP? They just want to do a study on the effects of video game violence. Chances are this is a GOOD THING that they are doing this. Now there will finally be clear evidence done by real, legitimate scientists on whether or not video game violence correlates with real life violence (pro-tip: it doesn't, so you have nothing to worry about).

Stop worrying and realize this is a good thing in disguise (the study, not the violence).

They are doing it on children which means it has nothing to do with this incident. the only outcome is just more recommendations regarding age limits and restricting regarding what children may and may not play, nothing useful will come out which would shed light on this situation. Further you cannot disprove something in science. And the study will not be about correlation but about causality/causation.
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HeatEXTEND
Profile Joined October 2012
Netherlands836 Posts
December 20 2012 22:08 GMT
#236
On December 21 2012 05:49 SirKibbleX wrote:
They just want to do a study on the effects of video game violence.


It's just that this has been done to death.....
knuckle
Esorydal
Profile Joined March 2012
Poland42 Posts
December 21 2012 01:43 GMT
#237
On December 21 2012 05:49 SirKibbleX wrote:
Jesus did any of you even read the OP? They just want to do a study on the effects of video game violence. Chances are this is a GOOD THING that they are doing this. Now there will finally be clear evidence done by real, legitimate scientists on whether or not video game violence correlates with real life violence (pro-tip: it doesn't, so you have nothing to worry about).

Stop worrying and realize this is a good thing in disguise (the study, not the violence).


your actually pretty dumb, these people who head the study are people that are pro gun anti internet who want to blame everything on something else but them selves. Its like giving a cop who shot a kid to do an investigation on himself.
Tohron
Profile Joined April 2010
United States135 Posts
December 21 2012 03:01 GMT
#238
I might actually favor such a measure - a study by the National Academy of Sciences would value peer review, and actually have to account for things like confirmation bias. If the study showed that the correlation between violent videogames and crimes is no stronger than with violent movies or other media - and gave a clear analysis of the lack of causal evidence - then some people would end up with a lot of egg on their face
Praetorial
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States4241 Posts
December 21 2012 03:04 GMT
#239
On December 20 2012 05:23 farvacola wrote:
Well, if the study is carried out correctly, I don't think we have anything to worry about. This is just Jay Rockefeller trying to score some cheap political points.


Exactly this.
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Praetorial
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States4241 Posts
December 21 2012 03:12 GMT
#240
I just sent an email to Jay Rockefeller.

Hopefully I'll get a response.

Hopefully.
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