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brian
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States9629 Posts
September 09 2017 16:55 GMT
#174001
yea i have some family staying down there in naples of all places. idiots.
IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7681 Posts
September 09 2017 17:06 GMT
#174002
it is a once in a lifetime event. isn't there something intriguing about being in the thick of it? seeing the eye wall in person?
The unrealistic sound of these propositions is indicative, not of their utopian character, but of the strength of the forces which prevent their realization.
Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28706 Posts
September 09 2017 17:09 GMT
#174003
staying it out inside a totally waterproof bunker sounds kinda fun. worrying about whether the house you are inside is about to collapse on you sounds terrible.
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ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
September 09 2017 17:11 GMT
#174004
given the scale of the hurricane and the amount of cloud cover you don't see that much anyways. it's just weather getting progressively worse over a few hours to a day.
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
brian
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States9629 Posts
September 09 2017 17:12 GMT
#174005
only once in a lifetime if it kills you. and since that's the risk, i'll always pass.
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21950 Posts
September 09 2017 17:16 GMT
#174006
From what I understand Irma has been pulling west a lot, Tampa was outside the danger zone a day ago and now its to late to get out anyway, no gas and the highways are a parking lot so you seriously risked being without shelter at all if you left when it became more dangerous.

It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7681 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-09 17:30:57
September 09 2017 17:30 GMT
#174007
double
The unrealistic sound of these propositions is indicative, not of their utopian character, but of the strength of the forces which prevent their realization.
IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7681 Posts
September 09 2017 17:30 GMT
#174008
On September 10 2017 02:12 brian wrote:
only still once in a lifetime even if it kills you. and since that's the risk, i'll always pass.


fixed that for you
The unrealistic sound of these propositions is indicative, not of their utopian character, but of the strength of the forces which prevent their realization.
Kickboxer
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Slovenia1308 Posts
September 09 2017 17:37 GMT
#174009
I'd wager it's much less romantic than it sounds. Especially in a bunker, ew.

And it doesn't sound very much fun to begin with ... More like sudden terror.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
September 09 2017 17:45 GMT
#174010
Even then, whatever thrill you get from being there when it happens is not worth the shit of being there when it's all over.

Piecing my life together is something I'd prefer to do from the safety and comfort of a friend or loved one's home, not knee-deep in water and mud.
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LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
September 09 2017 17:52 GMT
#174011
Somehow the prospect of being surrounded by hurricane-strength winds and torrential rainfall does not sound like a particularly fascinating life event. It just sounds like a giant inconvenience. If you want a nice point of reference, just be in the middle of any old storm and think of it like that except with more structural damage.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
uiCk
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
Canada1925 Posts
September 09 2017 18:08 GMT
#174012
On September 10 2017 02:06 IgnE wrote:
it is a once in a lifetime event. isn't there something intriguing about being in the thick of it? seeing the eye wall in person?

i assume you are there / took first flight there to not miss this lifetime event?

let me guess, Everest right after followed by climbing a giant construction crane?

I can no longer sit back and allow Communist infiltration, Communist indoctrination, Communist subversion and the international Communist conspiracy to sap and impurify all of our precious bodily fluids
NewSunshine
Profile Joined July 2011
United States5938 Posts
September 09 2017 18:22 GMT
#174013
On September 10 2017 02:52 LegalLord wrote:
Somehow the prospect of being surrounded by hurricane-strength winds and torrential rainfall does not sound like a particularly fascinating life event. It just sounds like a giant inconvenience. If you want a nice point of reference, just be in the middle of any old storm and think of it like that except with more structural damage.

If it only turns out to be an inconvenience, count yourself lucky.
"If you find yourself feeling lost, take pride in the accuracy of your feelings." - Night Vale
Yurie
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
11927 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-09 20:41:02
September 09 2017 20:40 GMT
#174014
On September 10 2017 02:30 IgnE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 10 2017 02:12 brian wrote:
only still once in a lifetime even if it kills you. and since that's the risk, i'll always pass.


fixed that for you


Since the prediction is stronger storms due to hotter air and thus more energy for storms. Why would his original statement be wrong? It seems to me that there is a decent chance another one hits in the next 2-3 decades.
IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7681 Posts
September 09 2017 20:43 GMT
#174015
yeah well thats only if you believe in climate change

or in the repetition of the same
The unrealistic sound of these propositions is indicative, not of their utopian character, but of the strength of the forces which prevent their realization.
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
September 09 2017 21:03 GMT
#174016
So I remembered something I thought worth mentioning. As often happens, I got a ballot for one of the many local elections that came around. Nothing special, just a few local city positions. But as I usually do, I looked up all the candidates. The Democrats actually seemed like pretty solid fellas, and they did get my vote. Mailed it in and then just watched.

What struck me was how universally bad the Democrats were at campaigning. Here they had some high quality progressive candidates for the picking but they put in no effort in getting them elected. The Republican candidates had a strong mailing campaign, calls and personal visits from the candidates in question, and very prominent, poignant ads. The Democrats had... flimsy template websites if any at all, a few awkwardly placed road signs, and pretty much nothing else.

The result was a clean sweep by Republicans. Sad thing is the Democrats didn't even do so badly, they just all individually lost. Given similar success rates across the country I suspect that there is a systemic campaigning ineptitude on the part of Democrats that makes this keep happening. Many winnable elections were lost to awful campaigning. Over and over again.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23456 Posts
September 09 2017 21:08 GMT
#174017
On September 10 2017 06:03 LegalLord wrote:
So I remembered something I thought worth mentioning. As often happens, I got a ballot for one of the many local elections that came around. Nothing special, just a few local city positions. But as I usually do, I looked up all the candidates. The Democrats actually seemed like pretty solid fellas, and they did get my vote. Mailed it in and then just watched.

What struck me was how universally bad the Democrats were at campaigning. Here they had some high quality progressive candidates for the picking but they put in no effort in getting them elected. The Republican candidates had a strong mailing campaign, calls and personal visits from the candidates in question, and very prominent, poignant ads. The Democrats had... flimsy template websites if any at all, a few awkwardly placed road signs, and pretty much nothing else.

The result was a clean sweep by Republicans. Sad thing is the Democrats didn't even do so badly, they just all individually lost. Given similar success rates across the country I suspect that there is a systemic campaigning ineptitude on the part of Democrats that makes this keep happening. Many winnable elections were lost to awful campaigning. Over and over again.


Democrats decided that they would rather lose to Republicans than back candidates that are "too progressive" Like the healthcare vote and others, they are celebrating losing under the illusion that it makes them look better.

Also they are hurting for money and so most of the money will only be funneled to candidates who are paying off the consultant class. The special elections earlier were a statement on that from the party.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Glenstorm
Profile Joined January 2009
United States69 Posts
September 09 2017 21:12 GMT
#174018
Hey, I've been lurking this thread for a long time and never really wanted to get into the ideological arguments that are constantly going on here, but as a floridian that's been through 4 direct category 3+ eyewall hits and a smattering of other hurricanes, I figure I should weigh in.

From a personal perspective, as long as you take proper precautions hurricanes generally aren't really dangerous here. The building codes are very hurricane resistant, so there's little direct damage, and the entire state sits on a giant aquifer and a network of canals (that were built to literally drain the swamp), so we're pretty good at resisting the flooding effects. The news is pretty good at emphasizing the risks (which they should, if you downplay the storm people do more dumb stuff which causes a lot more death) and finding the worst areas to show off, which makes the whole thing look way worse than it is. As long as you're in a well-constructed building (people in old homes or trailer parks need to seek shelter), have your windows all shuttered off, and have your car in a safe place, you're generally pretty okay to ride out the storm. The most property damage I've been through is losing 3 shingles after a category 4.

HOWEVER, category 5 hurricanes are a different beast. These are pushing the limits of what our building codes were made to handle, and tend to be much more dangerous. If I still lived in a coastal area (up in orlando now) and I was taking a direct hit from Irma I would evacuate. It's still very unlikely that your building gets destroyed, but that risk is there.

"Inconvenience" is a bit of an undersell of the destructiveness of the storm though. Utilities and roads get rocked, so you need to be prepped to last quite a while without modern comforts. I've been out of power as long as two and a half weeks before, and without water for a week and a half. People that have medical emergencies during or shortly after the storm can't get care. Cell phone towers go down so you can't call all the people worried about you and tell them you're okay.

P.S. It IS rather neat standing in the eye of a hurricane, there's something surreal about standing in a zone of perfect calm tranquility after hours of torrential assault on your house. If you ever have the misfortune of taking a direct hit from a hurricane, make sure you go outside during the eye
Azuzu
Profile Joined August 2010
United States340 Posts
September 09 2017 21:21 GMT
#174019
On September 10 2017 06:08 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 10 2017 06:03 LegalLord wrote:
So I remembered something I thought worth mentioning. As often happens, I got a ballot for one of the many local elections that came around. Nothing special, just a few local city positions. But as I usually do, I looked up all the candidates. The Democrats actually seemed like pretty solid fellas, and they did get my vote. Mailed it in and then just watched.

What struck me was how universally bad the Democrats were at campaigning. Here they had some high quality progressive candidates for the picking but they put in no effort in getting them elected. The Republican candidates had a strong mailing campaign, calls and personal visits from the candidates in question, and very prominent, poignant ads. The Democrats had... flimsy template websites if any at all, a few awkwardly placed road signs, and pretty much nothing else.

The result was a clean sweep by Republicans. Sad thing is the Democrats didn't even do so badly, they just all individually lost. Given similar success rates across the country I suspect that there is a systemic campaigning ineptitude on the part of Democrats that makes this keep happening. Many winnable elections were lost to awful campaigning. Over and over again.


Democrats decided that they would rather lose to Republicans than back candidates that are "too progressive" Like the healthcare vote and others, they are celebrating losing under the illusion that it makes them look better.


Couldn't you also say this about Democrats that thought the candidates "weren't progressive enough"?
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35161 Posts
September 09 2017 21:23 GMT
#174020
On September 10 2017 06:21 Azuzu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 10 2017 06:08 GreenHorizons wrote:
On September 10 2017 06:03 LegalLord wrote:
So I remembered something I thought worth mentioning. As often happens, I got a ballot for one of the many local elections that came around. Nothing special, just a few local city positions. But as I usually do, I looked up all the candidates. The Democrats actually seemed like pretty solid fellas, and they did get my vote. Mailed it in and then just watched.

What struck me was how universally bad the Democrats were at campaigning. Here they had some high quality progressive candidates for the picking but they put in no effort in getting them elected. The Republican candidates had a strong mailing campaign, calls and personal visits from the candidates in question, and very prominent, poignant ads. The Democrats had... flimsy template websites if any at all, a few awkwardly placed road signs, and pretty much nothing else.

The result was a clean sweep by Republicans. Sad thing is the Democrats didn't even do so badly, they just all individually lost. Given similar success rates across the country I suspect that there is a systemic campaigning ineptitude on the part of Democrats that makes this keep happening. Many winnable elections were lost to awful campaigning. Over and over again.


Democrats decided that they would rather lose to Republicans than back candidates that are "too progressive" Like the healthcare vote and others, they are celebrating losing under the illusion that it makes them look better.


Couldn't you also say this about Democrats that thought the candidates "weren't progressive enough"?

The overwhelming majority of progressives will hold there nose and vote establishment.
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