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On June 05 2017 08:51 warding wrote:
The amount of VC capital invested in the bay area is comparable to the total in europe. Meanwhile, FB, Alphabet and Apple are among the top10 most valuable companies in the world and are pouring billions into R&D in transformative technologies. To call Silicon Valley played out is ridiculous, no other region in the world has the amount of talent and capital available with a forward looking culture.
Yup, all those other people everywhere else in the world, they just don't look far enough ahead. Silicon Valley, the one and only forward-thinking culture in the entire world.
I like how the assertiveness with which you insist it is true to people who are more familiar than you about the subject matter in question.
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I mean, california alone has a GDP ranked like #6 in the world. Not sure how much Silicon Valley plays into that, just guessing a lot, and LL you throwin shade at the wrong place
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On June 05 2017 08:56 LegalLord wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2017 08:51 warding wrote:
The amount of VC capital invested in the bay area is comparable to the total in europe. Meanwhile, FB, Alphabet and Apple are among the top10 most valuable companies in the world and are pouring billions into R&D in transformative technologies. To call Silicon Valley played out is ridiculous, no other region in the world has the amount of talent and capital available with a forward looking culture. Yup, all those other people everywhere else in the world, they just don't look far enough ahead. Silicon Valley, the one and only forward-thinking culture in the entire world. I like how the assertiveness with which you insist it is true to people who are more familiar than you about the subject matter in question.
I didn't say it was the only or the most forward looking, I said there was no other combining those three to the same extent which is undeniably true.
Your second paragraph is a silly appeal to authority. You have no idea how familiar I am to the subject matter. Argue my actual points.
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On June 05 2017 09:14 warding wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2017 08:56 LegalLord wrote:On June 05 2017 08:51 warding wrote:
The amount of VC capital invested in the bay area is comparable to the total in europe. Meanwhile, FB, Alphabet and Apple are among the top10 most valuable companies in the world and are pouring billions into R&D in transformative technologies. To call Silicon Valley played out is ridiculous, no other region in the world has the amount of talent and capital available with a forward looking culture. Yup, all those other people everywhere else in the world, they just don't look far enough ahead. Silicon Valley, the one and only forward-thinking culture in the entire world. I like how the assertiveness with which you insist it is true to people who are more familiar than you about the subject matter in question. I didn't say it was the only or the most forward looking, I said there was no other combining those three to the same extent which is undeniably true. Your second paragraph is a silly appeal to authority. You have no idea how familiar I am to the subject matter. Argue my actual points.
Alrighty then, have you actually been to Silicon Valley? Have you worked there for any significant period of time? Or are you just repeating what you hear?
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On June 05 2017 09:09 biology]major wrote:
I mean, california alone has a GDP ranked like #6 in the world. Not sure how much Silicon Valley plays into that, just guessing a lot, and LL you throwin shade at the wrong place
A tenth of the US population and a few big industries. California matters and so does the tech industry, that isn't really a matter of opinion. But don't say I'm "throwing shade" when others come in and take a "hurr durr people who dont agree with me is dum" approach to discussing something in a country they don't live in.
Don't forget California also has Los Angeles and a hell of a lot of defense work that falls into that "high technology" sector - whether or not they're directly tied to SV.
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as someone who works in the VC industry, i can say (along with a decent number of folks) silicon valley is not what it used to be. there's good stuff coming out of there and a great infrastructure, but the kind of pricetag associated with stuff coming out of there is nosebleed. joke is that a few years ago a techcrunch disrupt winner was a beta, a couple years ago it was a business plan and last year it was a idea in someone's head.
the tech ecosystems in a lot of other areas are also getting pretty good.
on the other hand, the big established tech companies are pretty great and aren't going anywhere soon.
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On June 05 2017 08:12 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote:
The state department will be diplomatic even when Trumps twitter isn't.
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Jesus LL I knew you were a cynic but didn't know you were such an ahole. How about arguing the actual points I made?
Yes I've been to SV, I work in tech, own a startup and have worked on the investment side. I haven't worked in SV. Are we going to compare weener sizes next? By your own standards, will you now stop posting on the EU politics thread? Thanks in advance.
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Norway28665 Posts
On June 05 2017 08:16 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
If I remember correctly France triggered article 5 after 9/11. Then during the Libyan crisis when the US said it wasn't going to interfere the UK and France triggered Article 5 once more knowing full well Obama would have to respond as well as all of Europe. Then started the debacle on how shit Europe's armed forces were with the sole exception of France and Spain.
Erm, what? is this sarcasm? Article 5 has been triggered once, by the US, after 9/11. It was not triggered during the libyan crisis. They did trigger Europe's mutual defense clause after the bataclan attacks, that's the closest I can get..
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On June 05 2017 09:19 ticklishmusic wrote:
on the other hand, the big established tech companies are pretty great and aren't going anywhere soon.
Strictly true, but I don't think it would be unwarranted to note that they are all a bit in over their heads. Google talks a bit game but honestly has failed to make any business model besides internet advertising (which is real good money but they have pretty much failed at all their other big projects), Facebook is largely ad-based and subject to the whims of a population that would have no qualms about dropping them the moment it ceases being "cool" to them (90% of people have lost interest in FB besides some very occasional updates), Amazon has tiny margins and is vulnerable if it tries to expand them, and all of them are high turnover businesses that depend on their hype in order to attract young, cheap employees willing to work 90 hour weeks.
They are absolutely all going to remain double-digit-billion, multinational companies of importance for the near future. It wouldn't surprise me to see a significant downsizing on their part - and a drop in the "top X" rankings - as the current iteration of SV hype winds down though. That general trend isn't healthy but they aren't the vulnerable ones.
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never mind, it's not worth it, I'm done with you
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Google owns search, dominates mobile and video but to legal lord this is petty, they have utterly failed to deviate from a model that rakes in uncontested billions upon billions.
And what about Facebook, nobody uses Facebook anymore! How they still earn billions from Facebook ads is weird, given the first sentence. So what are millennials around the world using now? Instagram and WhatsApp? Who owns those? Oh.
It's late, we can talk about Amazon another day. I'll just point out that they're from Seattle.
Edit: yeah this could have been a half decent discussion about the relative importance of SV in the US-world but pretty much any discussion breaks down once you make it personal.
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Yeah, when you butt in and start being a dick before starting any discussion, don't be surprised when I'm not interested in taking you seriously. As it stands, it's clear you have no intention of doing otherwise, so I'm done here.
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Putin had an interview with Megyn Kelly air tonight. He claimed that all the Kislyak meetings were made up.
I only have the mediaite link to a portion of the interview, is the full one up anywhere?
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/putin-mocks-russia-meddling-created-out-of-nothing-used-as-weapon-of-war-against-trump/
In the premiere of Megyn Kelly‘s new show, Russian President Vladimir Putin had a highly-contentious exchange with the NBC host over her questions regarding Russia’s election meddling and their links to President Trump.
Kelly kicked things off by reiterating that intelligence consensus is that Putin ordered a campaign to interfere with the election. Putin responded that the intelligence community have been “misled,” and that hackers have been trying to cover their tracks by implicating the Russians. Putin also argued that the United States has done plenty of work interfering with the elections of other countries.
When Kelly moved on to talk about Sergey Kislyak‘s proposals and interactions with people in Trump’s orbit, Putin shot back that all the recent reports about the Russian ambassador were “complete nonsense.” As Kelly pressed further, Putin berated her and the media over the coverage about Jared Kushner discussing a White House backchannel with Russia:
“If it had been important, the minister would have reported it to me. There wasn’t anything to talk about. There wasn’t a discussion about sanctions or anything else. For me, this is just amazing. You create a sensation out of nothing, and out of this sensation, you turn it into a weapon of war against the current president. Well, this is, you know, you’re just, you people are so creative over there. Good job. Your lives must be boring.”
Putin went on to refute the notions that he has damaging information about President Trump, or that the two leaders share any kind of “special relationship” with each other.
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I will say that the entire Kislyak meeting matter is very much overblown. For starters, he's an ambassador, not an "intelligence agent" as some assert. Most of the conversations weren't too far from the kinds of chats one might have with a high-ranked representative of a foreign country. Flynn's was a bit too far but still, all he did was try to say "let's not blow this out of proportion" before he had a legal right to do so - and he did get fired for it.
Sessions meeting him at a party near the RNC, that is definitely a massive nothing burger.
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On June 05 2017 09:50 LegalLord wrote:
Yeah, when you butt in and start being a dick before starting any discussion, don't be surprised when I'm not interested in taking you seriously. As it stands, it's clear you have no intention of doing otherwise, so I'm done here.
I really, really have a hard time understanding at what point warding was being a dick before starting any discussion.
His first post was 'The amount of VC capital invested in the bay area is comparable to the total in europe. Meanwhile, FB, Alphabet and Apple are among the top10 most valuable companies in the world and are pouring billions into R&D in transformative technologies. To call Silicon Valley played out is ridiculous, no other region in the world has the amount of talent and capital available with a forward looking culture.'
How is this being a dick?
Then he said '
I didn't say it was the only or the most forward looking, I said there was no other combining those three to the same extent which is undeniably true.
Your second paragraph is a silly appeal to authority. You have no idea how familiar I am to the subject matter. Argue my actual points.'
This is him being a dick? Your first reply to him however, was '
Yup, all those other people everywhere else in the world, they just don't look far enough ahead. Silicon Valley, the one and only forward-thinking culture in the entire world.
I like how the assertiveness with which you insist it is true to people who are more familiar than you about the subject matter in question.' , which is both more sardonic and personal than any of his posts are. I normally prefer to stay out of personal squabbles, warding is certainly able to handle his own, and I like your posts, but this is just ridiculous. You're clearly the one who made this personal 'first'. It's also weird to see this from you, because you're not normally this thin-skinned, at all.
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Part of being a spy/asset is not being called a spy by your government.
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On June 05 2017 10:14 Liquid`Drone wrote:
I normally prefer to stay out of personal squabbles
I don't think it would be a bad idea to continue to do so. At the very least this entire post belongs in the feedback thread considering that I can't say I see that you're adding anything by bringing this here. But the discussion is over and I wouldn't mind just leaving it that way.
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On June 05 2017 09:19 ticklishmusic wrote:
as someone who works in the VC industry, i can say (along with a decent number of folks) silicon valley is not what it used to be. there's good stuff coming out of there and a great infrastructure, but the kind of pricetag associated with stuff coming out of there is nosebleed. joke is that a few years ago a techcrunch disrupt winner was a beta, a couple years ago it was a business plan and last year it was a idea in someone's head.
the tech ecosystems in a lot of other areas are also getting pretty good.
on the other hand, the big established tech companies are pretty great and aren't going anywhere soon.
This is basically correct. Silicon Valley has had a natural advantage over other regions for years due to the sheer concentration of money and talent there. But, with an outrageous cost of living and little room for growth, other tech areas are starting to build up, such as Austin, Denver, and North Carolina. Even established Silicon Valley companies are expanding out there. It will be at least a generation before those areas even begin to catch up, though.
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To some extent, I don't think there needs to be "another Silicon Valley" in a strict sense, in terms of a single centralized tech hub at a physical location. The need for software is quite widespread, the industry is notoriously capital-light, and the logistics of cooperating on software from a distance are not too bad. The defense contract industry that helped start SV has many homes. I see "tech" being a much more distributed industry in the future.
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