On November 11 2012 19:43 theKOT wrote: OK to settle the cost question: I've lived in the netherlands and the US and when I was in the NL I would buy energy drinks instead of soda because it was cheaper. There were tasty and affordable off-brand versions. BUT in the states, energy drinks are much much pricier, and the generic options are almost non-existant.
As for my opinion on the issue, if we regulate against the abusers we hurt the reasonable users, and people should be more self-reliant and controlled.
No it's not. Energy drinks are per liter certainly more expensive than soda in Holland. Of course you'll have to compare no-brand to no-brand vice versa.
Example: here we see 6 liter of no-brand energy drink costing 1 euro and 16 cents a liter.
In the same webshop you can buy no brand soda for 1 euro and you even get 1.5 liter.
Teens binging on energy drinks Some Finnish kids are chugging up to a dozen energy drinks a day to get "buzzed."
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The city of Lahti and the Finnish Parents’ League have joined forces to forbid people younger than 16 from buying the drinks often loaded with sugar and caffeine.
Ive been told i needed ID to buy them here (or follow some stupid look-over-21 rule to buy even a single energy drink)
I don't mind banning energy drinks from teens younger than 15-16, but only if they also ban things like coffee and caffeine pills too. They have the same effect than energy drinks. Perhaps just less available at schools.
On November 11 2012 19:43 theKOT wrote: OK to settle the cost question: I've lived in the netherlands and the US and when I was in the NL I would buy energy drinks instead of soda because it was cheaper. There were tasty and affordable off-brand versions. BUT in the states, energy drinks are much much pricier, and the generic options are almost non-existant.
As for my opinion on the issue, if we regulate against the abusers we hurt the reasonable users, and people should be more self-reliant and controlled.
No it's not. Energy drinks are per liter certainly more expensive than soda in Holland. Of course you'll have to compare no-brand to no-brand vice versa.
Example: here we see 6 liter of no-brand energy drink costing 1 euro and 16 cents a liter.
In the same webshop you can buy no brand soda for 1 euro and you even get 1.5 liter.
You are right, my memory was off. In can form, energy drinks were cheaper, though. Which may explain my memory. Anyway, kids wouldn't be lugging around 1.5 liters, I don't think.
On November 11 2012 20:55 Greentellon wrote: I don't mind banning energy drinks from teens younger than 15-16, but only if they also ban things like coffee and caffeine pills too. They have the same effect than energy drinks. Perhaps just less available at schools.
Banning is going to far, they should just make them put a label on them saying do not consume more than 1 liter a day or something like that because it's a safety risk, If 16 and younger couldn't drink energy drinks they would lose way to much business and it would be a huge hassle to carry them in stores.
Anyway, kids wouldn't be lugging around 1.5 liters, I don't think.
It said up to a dozen energy drinks a day.
I wouldnt be suprised if they were - IIRC a can of monster or redbull has about the same caffeine content even though redbull has a lot lower volume per can etc, and i know plenty of people who have drank 6-10+ in a night.
It seems to me only a minority of people are getting effected by energy drinks, so it probably doesn't pose that much of an issue. If it gets to the extent where children are dropping dead or it's triggering heart disorders, then something should be done, however I haven't really seen to much evidence for it to become a wide escalated problem.
For me personally, I don't drink the stuff because I have a possible heart disorder, and I try to avoid anything caffeine related.
Anyway, kids wouldn't be lugging around 1.5 liters, I don't think.
It said up to a dozen energy drinks a day.
I wouldnt be suprised if they were - IIRC a can of monster or redbull has about the same caffeine content even though redbull has a lot lower volume per can etc, and i know plenty of people who have drank 6-10+ in a night.
I had assumed they were buying the cans individually. I can't imagine carrying 16 cans around school with you, but I guess I can't imagine drinking 16 in a day, either. I guess books can be pretty heavy too.
At a store near my old house in the US (Florida), they had no-name brand energy drinks for 50-70 cents for a 16oz. They tasted really sweet and they kind of burned your tongue if you drank more than one at a time. The most i've ever drank in one sitting was like three at a house LAN once, and I got a huge rush that sucked and made me jittery and threw off my aim, so I don't drink more than one at a time now, and sparingly.
The kids that do this are probably the same ones that would do anything that they could get their hands on to get fucked up, banning all kids from buying them probably isn't the answer. As other people have said, education is much better than prohibition / age restriction.
lol Energy drinks are way overprized, bad for your organism, heart, blood circulation and last but not least TEETH
You can also end up dying from the high blood pressure and especially if u have heart issues, or even if you are just sensitive and generally have high blood pressure, then 3 - 5 can a day might already become dangerous for u
Anyway, kids wouldn't be lugging around 1.5 liters, I don't think.
It said up to a dozen energy drinks a day.
I wouldnt be suprised if they were - IIRC a can of monster or redbull has about the same caffeine content even though redbull has a lot lower volume per can etc, and i know plenty of people who have drank 6-10+ in a night.
I had assumed they were buying the cans individually. I can't imagine carrying 16 cans around school with you, but I guess I can't imagine drinking 16 in a day, either. I guess books can be pretty heavy too.
16x500ml cans (~8kg) is not all too much to carry, and you wouldnt have to carry it the whole day.
On November 11 2012 20:33 freestalker wrote: Well energy drinks actually can be energy-less. I've seen some (not the cheapest ones) that actually had 0 energetic value. The point of energy drinks is in caffeine and taurine that stimulates your metabolism in a way that it blocks nor-adrenaline from removing adrenaline from your body (naturally, when something excites you, your body pumps adrenaline in your blood, but it slowly gets removed by nor-adrenaline). This quite often explains why some people can have a coffee and then go to sleep. Because they didn't get excited by anything and didn't get any adrenaline in their blood.
Basically, adrenaline makes your body go on 'overheat', giving you better performance, because it is naturally used when you're in a situation when you might lose your life or are under stress. It should give you that extra edge to survive, and AFAIK it can give you up to approx 30% extra performance (this number might not be correct, but you get the point). The problem is, it is not really healthy to keep your body going on overdrive for too long, as it may hurt it in the long run.
it is not an energy drink problem, it is a responsibility problem. here's an analogy - not allowing kids to drink energy drinks is like taking advil for a headache, whereas teaching them to behave responsibly is like never having gotten too drunk in the first place.
Don't a lot of energy drinks (at least in the U.S.) have a label stating specifically that if you drink more than three in a day it could be hazardous to your health?
Energy drinks are absolutely terrible for you. Talk about something with no redeeming qualities! I tend to stay away from them, and coffee, because I don't want to become reliant on caffeine to get me through the day. Of course if I'm absolutely exhausted I'm not opposed to having a cup of coffee or half of a monster. But ten in a day? I'm pretty sure my heart would explode.
Energy drinks are so loaded with useless vitamins and chemicals that these kids are probably doing serious harm to their bodies. Honestly I can't imagine what someone younger than 16 could need an energy drink for. It's not like they're up all night doing homework or anything.
I agree with most of the statements in this thread about education. If they ban energy drinks it would be just like alcohol. Kids would still get their hands on it, and still abuse it. But if they're educated then perhaps they'll make better decisions.
Yeah! kids now-a-days! when I was 15 (now more than a decade ago T-T) I just drank beer and liquor and smoked weed. I can't believe how messed up this world has gotten -_-
Honestly kids will be stupid, if it isn't energy drinks, they'll be sniffing shit or sucking on those whipped cream cans to kill brain cells and feel the "buzz." Education, personal or parental, is the only way to deal with these kinds of issues. Laws are an obstacle, not a deterrent; only education can deter.
I can buy a crate(30?) energy drinks 0,33l for about 12 euro's. Golden power from Aldi.(wich is actually quit expensive if I count it back to 1.5l for a cola thats about 2 euro's?) It's still cheaper than a Cola can, not the 1.5l bottle.
But it seams you all missing the point. No one cares if you as an adult drink that stuff. Mostly kids don't drink coffee so it wasn't a problem, but now with energy drink(you don't need a damn coffee maker) is easy accessible and cheap which makes it a problem.
Best solution is an age restriction on it and also coffee if we're at it and all other caffeine holding drinks and food.
IMO I don't see energy drinks as such a bad thing. If you chug 2 liter cola or 4 liter a day then I think you'll have big problem too. You can't say I ate 15 kilo of broccoli and now I'm sick, means broccoli is bad. Pro tip: Too much of everything is bad mkay.
And don't count on parents to do shit. It's because of bad parenting this shit is happening. That's why your government is baby sitting your kids. It's your fault as a parent not that kids fault. If you'd spent time with that little brat of yours he would probably respect your ass more.
Question: What about if you have normally pretty low blood pressure. Is getting caffeine a good way to crank that shit up?
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