• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 15:23
CET 21:23
KST 05:23
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups C & D Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups A & B Preview2TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners12Intel X Team Liquid Seoul event: Showmatches and Meet the Pros10[ASL20] Finals Preview: Arrival13
Community News
[TLMC] Fall/Winter 2025 Ladder Map Rotation13Weekly Cups (Nov 3-9): Clem Conquers in Canada4SC: Evo Complete - Ranked Ladder OPEN ALPHA8StarCraft, SC2, HotS, WC3, Returning to Blizzcon!45$5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship7
StarCraft 2
General
[TLMC] Fall/Winter 2025 Ladder Map Rotation Mech is the composition that needs teleportation t RotterdaM "Serral is the GOAT, and it's not close" RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups C & D Preview TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners
Tourneys
RSL Revival: Season 3 Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament Constellation Cup - Main Event - Stellar Fest Tenacious Turtle Tussle Master Swan Open (Global Bronze-Master 2)
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 500 Fright night Mutation # 499 Chilling Adaptation Mutation # 498 Wheel of Misfortune|Cradle of Death Mutation # 497 Battle Haredened
Brood War
General
FlaSh on: Biggest Problem With SnOw's Playstyle BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ What happened to TvZ on Retro? SnOw's ASL S20 Finals Review BW General Discussion
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues Small VOD Thread 2.0 [BSL21] RO32 Group D - Sunday 21:00 CET [BSL21] RO32 Group C - Saturday 21:00 CET
Strategy
PvZ map balance Current Meta Simple Questions, Simple Answers How to stay on top of macro?
Other Games
General Games
Path of Exile Clair Obscur - Expedition 33 Should offensive tower rushing be viable in RTS games? Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread SPIRED by.ASL Mafia {211640}
Community
General
Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread US Politics Mega-thread Artificial Intelligence Thread
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread Korean Music Discussion Series you have seen recently...
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion NBA General Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023 TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
SC2 Client Relocalization [Change SC2 Language] Linksys AE2500 USB WIFI keeps disconnecting Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Dyadica Gospel – a Pulp No…
Hildegard
Coffee x Performance in Espo…
TrAiDoS
Saturation point
Uldridge
DnB/metal remix FFO Mick Go…
ImbaTosS
Reality "theory" prov…
perfectspheres
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 2008 users

Dark Energy is Proven!

Forum Index > General Forum
Post a Reply
1 2 3 4 Next All
Aelfric
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Turkey1496 Posts
September 17 2012 00:37 GMT
#1
Lately there has been some discussion between academics that if Dark Energy is real or not. Some scientist proposed that MOND Theory could be real instead of Dark Matter and Dark Energy theories. Now we knew that Dark Matter is almost certainly real because we had tons of indirect evidence but for Dark Energy, we had none. Now we do have it. The following video and article explains how.



Our universe is a mysterious place. Only 4 percent or so is made up of the ordinary matter we see around us, including all those galaxies filled with stars. The rest, physicists believe, is made of up weakly interacting dark matter, and a mysterious substance called dark energy that is causing the cosmos to expand at an accelerating rate.

At least, that's the working hypothesis, and it seems to fit the data, although there are scientists who question its existence and tout alternatives to explain that accelerating expansion.

A new, two-year study by scientists at the University of Portsmouth and Ludwig-Maximilians-Universitat Munchen concludes that dark energy does, indeed, exist. Those results just appeared in the journal Monthly Notices of the Royal Astronomical Society.

Link: http://news.discovery.com/space/new-study-re-confirms-evidence-for-dark-energy-120912.html
Tomorrow never comes until its too late...
starfries
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada3508 Posts
September 17 2012 00:44 GMT
#2
Einstein: luckiest physicist EVER.
DJ – do you like ramen, Savior? Savior – not really. Bisu – I eat it often. Flash – I’m a maniac! | Foxer Fighting!
Coagulation
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States9633 Posts
September 17 2012 00:46 GMT
#3
So wait. Do we actually know "what" it is and "why" its there now? or do we just "know its there" ?
oGoZenob
Profile Joined December 2011
France1503 Posts
September 17 2012 00:50 GMT
#4
do you have a link to the actual paper ? I'm curious
I like starcraft
Aerisky
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States12129 Posts
September 17 2012 00:51 GMT
#5
Whoa, this is cool stuff. Could be making its way into the textbook quite soon :o

I wonder whether dark energy could be harnessed, though it seems like how he "lose" energy as heat etc in that you can't just capture it.
Jim while Johnny had had had had had had had; had had had had the better effect on the teacher.
Xiphos
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada7507 Posts
September 17 2012 00:52 GMT
#6
Finally a topic to masquerade over the atrocities from Asia.

+ As a science majored student in Physics, I'm in awe. People 5 years from now on will probably learn this in textbook and such while I'm still learning about Lorentz's factor and its relation with gravity.
2014 - ᕙ( •̀ل͜•́) ϡ Raise your bows brood warriors! ᕙ( •̀ل͜•́) ϡ
keyStorm
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada316 Posts
September 17 2012 00:52 GMT
#7
On September 17 2012 09:46 Coagulation wrote:
So wait. Do we actually know "what" it is and "why" its there now? or do we just "know its there" ?


based on the standard model it should be there...
Aerisky
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States12129 Posts
September 17 2012 00:53 GMT
#8
On September 17 2012 09:50 oGoZenob wrote:
do you have a link to the actual paper ? I'm curious

It might be this?

http://arxiv.org/abs/1209.2125

It was all I could find from clicking around, apparently a preprint of the paper.
Jim while Johnny had had had had had had had; had had had had the better effect on the teacher.
ElvisWayCool
Profile Joined March 2010
United States437 Posts
September 17 2012 00:54 GMT
#9
On September 17 2012 09:46 Coagulation wrote:
So wait. Do we actually know "what" it is and "why" its there now? or do we just "know its there" ?


If I understood the video correctly, we "know its there."

Which is better than nothing I guess, but there's still a lot more we can learn about it.

Very exciting though! Can't wait to see what comes from this.
dcemuser
Profile Joined August 2010
United States3248 Posts
September 17 2012 00:55 GMT
#10
On September 17 2012 09:50 oGoZenob wrote:
do you have a link to the actual paper ? I'm curious

RAS press release: http://www.ras.org.uk/news-and-press/219-news-2012/2167-dark-energy-is-real-say-portsmouth-astronomers

MNRAS submission (preprint of the paper): http://arxiv.org/abs/1209.2125
Thenerf
Profile Joined April 2011
United States258 Posts
September 17 2012 01:02 GMT
#11
As somebody who had been working on Dark Energy research there are about 5 of these discoveries a year. And this has been going on for several years and they awarded the Nobel Prize for its discovery this year.

I also worked with a doctor out of UMD who professed MOND(Modified Newtonian Gravity) and sad to say that research was discredited years ago.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that Dark Energy has been 100% solid science for a while now. There were no recent discoveries made but there are a lot of very "Eager" astronomers.
Every atom in your body was forged in a star. Quit being a pussy.
Cascade
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
Australia5405 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-17 01:07:42
September 17 2012 01:04 GMT
#12
Ok, cool. "proven" is a bit sensational maybe. I like "re-confirmed" as they use in the url you linked more, and I feel it is more accurate. But nice anyways. Putting more empirical weight behind dark energy. Not really sure how shaky the measurements were without this, can anyone enlighten us?
edit: ok thanks tehnerf, it was pretty solid even before it seems, thanks.

On September 17 2012 09:52 keyStorm wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 17 2012 09:46 Coagulation wrote:
So wait. Do we actually know "what" it is and "why" its there now? or do we just "know its there" ?


based on the standard model it should be there...

Not really related to standard model actually.

We still do not know what dark energy is, and the standard model of particle physics is of no help as it is now.
Cascade
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
Australia5405 Posts
September 17 2012 01:11 GMT
#13
On September 17 2012 10:02 Thenerf wrote:
As somebody who had been working on Dark Energy research there are about 5 of these discoveries a year. And this has been going on for several years and they awarded the Nobel Prize for its discovery this year.

I also worked with a doctor out of UMD who professed MOND(Modified Newtonian Gravity) and sad to say that research was discredited years ago.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that Dark Energy has been 100% solid science for a while now. There were no recent discoveries made but there are a lot of very "Eager" astronomers.

Do you know which the most popular candidates for dark energy are for the moment? Vacuum fluctuations? Some supergravity/strings? Other things? Any hope to experimentally exclude/confirm any theory anytime soon?
Ultrafilter
Profile Joined July 2012
7 Posts
September 17 2012 01:11 GMT
#14
What are the implications of this for susy? Do these results favor, dis-flavor, or say nothing about susy?
starfries
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada3508 Posts
September 17 2012 01:14 GMT
#15
On September 17 2012 09:51 Aerisky wrote:
Whoa, this is cool stuff. Could be making its way into the textbook quite soon :o

I wonder whether dark energy could be harnessed, though it seems like how he "lose" energy as heat etc in that you can't just capture it.

it's there already! even my intro to astrophysics book had a chapter on this. I think the view of most scientists is that there is definitely weird shit going on, and we can quantify exactly how weird the shit is and how it behaves through observations like the one in this article. but exactly what the weird shit is is a matter of much debate.
DJ – do you like ramen, Savior? Savior – not really. Bisu – I eat it often. Flash – I’m a maniac! | Foxer Fighting!
xNSwarm
Profile Joined December 2011
155 Posts
September 17 2012 01:35 GMT
#16
The is cool and all, but it doesn't mean all that much for the current now. Many physicists already thought dark energy existed, so this test doesn't change much of anything, same with the higgs test.
NeMeSiS3
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Canada2972 Posts
September 17 2012 01:36 GMT
#17
On September 17 2012 09:44 starfries wrote:
Einstein: luckiest physicist EVER.


How was he... lucky? I understand maybe he stumbled over a few things but he was just simply a genius not just "lucky"
FoTG fighting!
Thenerf
Profile Joined April 2011
United States258 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-17 01:47:19
September 17 2012 01:42 GMT
#18
On September 17 2012 10:11 Cascade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 17 2012 10:02 Thenerf wrote:
As somebody who had been working on Dark Energy research there are about 5 of these discoveries a year. And this has been going on for several years and they awarded the Nobel Prize for its discovery this year.

I also worked with a doctor out of UMD who professed MOND(Modified Newtonian Gravity) and sad to say that research was discredited years ago.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that Dark Energy has been 100% solid science for a while now. There were no recent discoveries made but there are a lot of very "Eager" astronomers.

Do you know which the most popular candidates for dark energy are for the moment? Vacuum fluctuations? Some supergravity/strings? Other things? Any hope to experimentally exclude/confirm any theory anytime soon?


The "mainstream" theory is quantum foam which is closely associated with the same logic used to derive the Higgs Boson mechanism. However, there is no observable evidence to support this model. Essentially that there is an energy based on quantum uncertainty that will spontaneously cause nothing to turn into particles. That splitting creates and expanding force of energy.

My research dealt with what's called Invariant Time dilation wherein dark energy is a form of warped space in which the relative clock is faster. As opposed to gravity which has a slower relative clock. There is evidence to support this but unfortunately it's surprising hard to convince a community of old, bitter, and generally full of themselves men that they might be wrong.

In order for physics to reach actual advancements you need to plow through all of the shit which usually takes decades. And dark energy was only discovered in the 90's.

I'd also like to note that String Theories don't actually predict anything. They are pretty much just an outlet for the very math minded people in physics to just keep adding dimensions. It usually goes like this: "You know what's better than 21 dimensions? 22!" I have actually been in the room with string theorists and this is how they see things.
Every atom in your body was forged in a star. Quit being a pussy.
swim224
Profile Joined May 2010
Botswana368 Posts
September 17 2012 01:46 GMT
#19
On September 17 2012 10:36 NeMeSiS3 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 17 2012 09:44 starfries wrote:
Einstein: luckiest physicist EVER.


How was he... lucky? I understand maybe he stumbled over a few things but he was just simply a genius not just "lucky"

I think he meant that's what Einstein would be thinking if he saw this.
....unless Taeja suddenly parachutes into the studio with explosions behind him and lands on a skateboard which he jumps over the booth before jumping in. If that happened it would be so sweet it would be physically impossible for them to lose. - Haydin
a176
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada6688 Posts
September 17 2012 01:46 GMT
#20
On September 17 2012 10:02 Thenerf wrote:
As somebody who had been working on Dark Energy research there are about 5 of these discoveries a year. And this has been going on for several years and they awarded the Nobel Prize for its discovery this year.

I also worked with a doctor out of UMD who professed MOND(Modified Newtonian Gravity) and sad to say that research was discredited years ago.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that Dark Energy has been 100% solid science for a while now. There were no recent discoveries made but there are a lot of very "Eager" astronomers.


doesnt most of this science rely on the CMB data produced by wmap, which may not be entirely accurate?
starleague forever
1 2 3 4 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
IPSL
20:00
Ro16 Group A
Dewalt vs WolFix
eOnzErG vs Bonyth
Liquipedia
BSL 21
20:00
ProLeague - RO32 Group D
JDConan vs Semih
Dragon vs Dienmax
Tech vs NewOcean
TerrOr vs Artosis
LiquipediaDiscussion
Online Event
18:00
Coaches Corner 2v2
RotterdaM492
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
RotterdaM 492
IndyStarCraft 181
SteadfastSC 126
BRAT_OK 93
ROOTCatZ 74
Nathanias 30
DisKSc2 11
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 20334
ZZZero.O 134
UpATreeSC 65
scan(afreeca) 37
yabsab 20
Dota 2
Gorgc6105
qojqva2816
Pyrionflax47
League of Legends
rGuardiaN37
Counter-Strike
fl0m1199
pashabiceps668
allub205
kRYSTAL_16
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor309
Other Games
tarik_tv6648
gofns4267
Grubby3965
B2W.Neo679
Beastyqt440
Organizations
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream9758
Other Games
EGCTV919
gamesdonequick668
StarCraft 2
angryscii 30
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 19 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• davetesta19
• Reevou 9
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• sooper7s
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Migwel
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
StarCraft: Brood War
• Airneanach57
• FirePhoenix10
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• Ler65
League of Legends
• Doublelift266
Other Games
• imaqtpie1298
• WagamamaTV385
• Shiphtur234
Upcoming Events
Replay Cast
2h 37m
Wardi Open
15h 37m
Monday Night Weeklies
20h 37m
Replay Cast
1d 2h
WardiTV Korean Royale
1d 15h
BSL: GosuLeague
2 days
The PondCast
2 days
Replay Cast
3 days
RSL Revival
3 days
BSL: GosuLeague
4 days
[ Show More ]
RSL Revival
4 days
WardiTV Korean Royale
4 days
RSL Revival
5 days
WardiTV Korean Royale
5 days
IPSL
5 days
Julia vs Artosis
JDConan vs DragOn
RSL Revival
6 days
Wardi Open
6 days
IPSL
6 days
StRyKeR vs OldBoy
Sziky vs Tarson
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2025-11-14
Stellar Fest: Constellation Cup
Eternal Conflict S1

Ongoing

C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 4
SOOP Univ League 2025
YSL S2
BSL Season 21
CSCL: Masked Kings S3
SLON Tour Season 2
RSL Revival: Season 3
META Madness #9
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025

Upcoming

BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
HSC XXVIII
RSL Offline Finals
WardiTV 2025
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026: Closed Qualifier
eXTREMESLAND 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
SL Budapest Major 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.