Pro-China, Anti-Japan Protests - Page 21

On September 16 2012 14:16 fearus wrote:


I thought it was called the U.S Army.

On September 16 2012 09:11 CommanchyWattkins wrote:
China = brainwashed
China= hates Japan for what they did in WW2.

Raised by Chinese parents.

They read me a news article about possibility of WW3 and how China was going to destroy Japan. I like peace but it's the education that tells children to hate Japan. Chinese culture takes ancestry and history very very seriously. I don't consider Chinese to be violent people but we certainly hold grudges for a very long time. See it as how a redneck think of Arabs.

"They are all terrorists!!!!" and China would be like "Japs killed and raped our ancestors in the most disgusting way possible, they invaded our territory and laughed at how we suffered. They glorified their soldiers with the blood of our people"

As a human being with dignity and conscience, would you be able to make friends with a race that tried to exterminate your own? I don't think North Americans could understand this feeling because it has been relatively peaceful throughout history, you sent troops in both WWs but sending troops is not the same as having it within your country. I don't blame NA but before passing judgement of how silly nationalism and anti-japan movements are, think about it from our perspective. :D

On September 16 2012 11:47 Shady Sands wrote:

^^This.

This isn't to say one Empire was better than the other, however. The very act of imperialism is an abrogation of the sovereignty of subject peoples; a mass deprivation of agency. This is what makes it deplorable; an original sin no amount of benevolent paternalism can ameliorate.

The British Empire was created over hundreds of years through an extended fit of absent-mindedness, to paraphrase historian Sir John Seeley. Mercantile interests lay at its heart, and every new fit of expansion was usually driven first by commercial factors and then by military factors.

By contrast, the Japanese Empire was created over a few short decades with an expressed purpose of ensuring that Japan would forever be the "leading crane in the formation of Asian nations". The point was not only to create an "Asia for the Asians" but also make sure that no Asian nation could ever develop the industrial base to challenge Japanese supremacy in her home region.

A good case can be seen in why both nations went to war against China, and how both nations prosecuted said wars.

The British went to war to protect the right of their traders to sell opium.

The Japanese went to war because Chiang Kai-shek's industrialization plans meant China would surpass Japan economically, and also turn Manchuria into a resource area for the Chinese coastal strip rather than the Japanese home islands.

The British wanted to get free trade and extraterritoriality rights out of the war.

The Japanese wanted to get all of China as a colony.

The British invaded with 20,000 men, got their political fait accompli, and then left with the exception of gaining a barren island with an excellent deep-water harbor. (But they didn't turn HK into the booming trade entrepot it is today--that distinction goes to the Chinese Communist Party, whose closing of Shanghai forced the China trade to go through HK for 50 years.)

The Japanese invaded with 1,500,000 men, did not get a fait accompli, tried and failed to install a puppet government, slaughtered 20 million Chinese through starvation, cold blooded massacres of noncombatants, biological warfare, and burning entire cities, and still didn't end up getting what they wanted.

Both wars were deplorable. China deserves restitution for both conflicts. The British gave restitution when they handed over Hong Kong. You don't see many Chinese running up and down the street screaming at the British embassy, do you?

But Japan never really gave China any restitution. Japan handed over billions of dollars in soft loans, sure, but after excluding the amounts that China had to pay back, Japan has basically compensated China an average of $477 for every person they killed during the Sino-Japanese war.

Dafuq?

What's more is that Britain, today, has forever turned its back on imperialism. Sure, there are occasionally imperialist tendencies that come out of certain Anglo-Australian institutions: News Corp.; BHP Billiton; De Beers. But by and large, Britain does not threaten or seek to curb China's welfare and prosperity.

By contrast, look at Japan. Japan has the second-largest navy in the world, outfitted with hundreds of long-range strike platforms that are capable of completely shutting down the naval lifelines upon which China's economy depends for survival and inflicting grievous damage on the coastal strip of China that is its commercial heartland.

And what's more, unlike the US Navy which actually has global interests to uphold, there is literally no reason for Japan to maintain forces of that size. No one is going to invade Japan anytime soon since Japan is not a profitable country to invade. What does an occupying power gain from holding the Home Islands? Debt-laden golf courses? Old people? Sushi? The broadcast rights to Tokyo TV's upcoming fall season of anime? Sora Aoi? There are no natural resources to speak of, nothing that cannot be gained already via trade. And yet Japan still huffs and puffs like China's rise threatens its very existence, and constantly tries to form coalitions against China with other Asian nations.

From the above, you can see how it would be a trivial matter for Chinese politicians to conflate the past sins of the Japanese Empire with the current antagonistic policies of the Japanese government and redirect healthy Chinese nationalism into vitriol against the nation of Japan.

On September 16 2012 14:52 ninini wrote:
You have to remember that it's the ppl, not the chinese government that is responsible. But it's just childish. If Japan owes any country an apology, it's Korea, both south and north. Atleast they didn't occupy the entire country of China. South Korea doesn't have a major problem with Japan, so why China? China is pretty much the last country that would have the right to complain about others. It makes you wonder how much anti-japan propaganda they must have been exposed to. It's quite sad actually.

Anyway, the problem with Japan and them having denial about their history stems from the fact that politics in Japan is more or less hereditary. It's basically the same families that rule now, that ruled during WW2. Japan is very conservative, so things will not change until they get some new blood into the parliament.

On September 16 2012 14:52 ninini wrote:
You have to remember that it's the ppl, not the chinese government that is responsible. But it's just childish. If Japan owes any country an apology, it's Korea, both south and north. Atleast they didn't occupy the entire country of China. South Korea doesn't have a major problem with Japan, so why China? China is pretty much the last country that would have the right to complain about others. It makes you wonder how much anti-japan propaganda they must have been exposed to. It's quite sad actually.

Anyway, the problem with Japan and them having denial about their history stems from the fact that politics in Japan is more or less hereditary. It's basically the same families that rule now, that ruled during WW2. Japan is very conservative, so things will not change until they get some new blood into the parliament.

On September 16 2012 14:16 fearus wrote:


I thought it was called the U.S Army.

On September 16 2012 14:10 Tal wrote:


The way the Chinese have treated the Tibetans is nothing like how the Japanese treated the Chinese.

Every country has done bad things, but the bad things are far from equal.