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On September 25 2012 02:26 m4inbrain wrote:
Japan could never do something to chill you people (which it actually doesn't even concern first hand, as i said: you're just used to hate japan).
How is this true? All China needs would be:
1) Japanese withdrawal from the Diaoyu Islands
2) Dismantling of the JMSDF (not the whole military, just the naval component that continually poses a threat to Chinese shipping)
3) The abdication and elimination of the Japanese imperial seat (the institution most responsible for the terrors and tragedies of WW2 in Asia)
In lieu of empty words, how about some concrete actions from the Japanese to show regret and win forgiveness from their neighbors?
That's it. Why are those three things so hard?
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On September 25 2012 02:35 Shady Sands wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2012 02:26 m4inbrain wrote:
Japan could never do something to chill you people (which it actually doesn't even concern first hand, as i said: you're just used to hate japan). How is this true? All China needs would be: 1) Japanese withdrawal from the Diaoyu Islands 2) Dismantling of the JMSDF (not the whole military, just the naval component that continually poses a threat to Chinese shipping) 3) The abdication and elimination of the Japanese imperial seat (the institution most responsible for the terrors and tragedies of WW2 in Asia) In lieu of empty words, how about some concrete actions from the Japanese to show regret and win forgiveness from their neighbors? That's it. Why are those three things so hard?
Im not too sure that you're serious, so i better won't answer that.
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On September 25 2012 02:35 Shady Sands wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2012 02:26 m4inbrain wrote:
Japan could never do something to chill you people (which it actually doesn't even concern first hand, as i said: you're just used to hate japan). How is this true? All China needs would be: 1) Japanese withdrawal from the Diaoyu Islands 2) Dismantling of the JMSDF (not the whole military, just the naval component that continually poses a threat to Chinese shipping) 3) The abdication and elimination of the Japanese imperial seat (the institution most responsible for the terrors and tragedies of WW2 in Asia) In lieu of empty words, how about some concrete actions from the Japanese to show regret and win forgiveness from their neighbors? That's it. Why are those three things so hard?
I really hope this is a joke post.
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rofl. are you serious?
edit: oh wow
btw nice to see my observations proven true in this very thread. all of them.
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Both Shinzo Abe and the nutjob Nakayama were VERY quickly removed from their posts, Nakayama after a whole 4 days IIRC.
They get promoted to those roles because they were good at it, then they express those opinions and are removed BECAUSE of those opinions.
REMEMBER THIS PART.
They weren't voted in because of their scumbag opinions, THEY WERE FIRED BECAUSE OF THEM.
The Japanese people were just as outraged as anyone else was, hell Shinzo Abe and Nakayam's party lost the last election by a LANDSLIDE..... BECAUSE they said shitty scumbag things like that.
So check your shit at the door before you go off calling Japanese people "beyond sick"
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On September 25 2012 02:39 oneofthem wrote:
btw nice to see my observations proven true in this very thread. all of them.
Would you mind to recap them?
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On September 25 2012 02:26 m4inbrain wrote:Show nested quote +Ironically, some of the Asian countries aren't even asking for a full blown apology (ie. from the Japanese Emperor), etc. Rather, they simply want the Japanese people to understand what they did in WW2 and the government of Japan to not make insensitive statements about WW2 so we can move on to positive relations in the future. You want to see what really is ironic? Read your statement again. And then read that garbage from Letmelose. Isn't it ironic that everyone demands that japan understands, yet the shrine still is an issue to you? Don't drink wine if you pray water. And that garbage about a politician, well.. Guess we should've started a war with the US then some time ago, as Mr "I-lie-alot" Rumsfeld called us "the old europe" because we didn't agree on a war. You feel insulted when a politician talks crap? Come on. Its like aksfjh wrote. You're used to that "situation". Japan could never do something to chill you people (which it actually doesn't even concern first hand, as i said: you're just used to hate japan). Im not saying that japan is right, they are not. But you're equally wrong.
That's odd. I never mentioned anything about the shrine nor made comments about the shrine. I don't know where you got that from.
And they're not just Japanese politicians making these statements. These are heads of government, including the Prime Minister and Education Minister.
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On September 25 2012 02:51 xelnaga_empire wrote:
And they're not just Japanese politicians making these statements. These are heads of government, including the Prime Minister and Education Minister.
for the love of god.... they were both fired for saying those things.
Yep, THE PRIME MINISTER of Japan was removed from power because he said something that was offensive to Japan's neighbors.
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On September 25 2012 02:51 xelnaga_empire wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2012 02:26 m4inbrain wrote:Ironically, some of the Asian countries aren't even asking for a full blown apology (ie. from the Japanese Emperor), etc. Rather, they simply want the Japanese people to understand what they did in WW2 and the government of Japan to not make insensitive statements about WW2 so we can move on to positive relations in the future. You want to see what really is ironic? Read your statement again. And then read that garbage from Letmelose. Isn't it ironic that everyone demands that japan understands, yet the shrine still is an issue to you? Don't drink wine if you pray water. And that garbage about a politician, well.. Guess we should've started a war with the US then some time ago, as Mr "I-lie-alot" Rumsfeld called us "the old europe" because we didn't agree on a war. You feel insulted when a politician talks crap? Come on. Its like aksfjh wrote. You're used to that "situation". Japan could never do something to chill you people (which it actually doesn't even concern first hand, as i said: you're just used to hate japan). Im not saying that japan is right, they are not. But you're equally wrong. That's odd. I never mentioned anything about the shrine nor made comments about the shrine. I don't know where you got that from. And they're not just Japanese politicians making these statements. These are heads of government, including the Prime Minister and Education Minister.
Which are.. What exactly?
Also, about that "you" never mentioned the shrine and whatnot, just read this and the last page, you get the picture.
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On September 25 2012 02:39 oneofthem wrote:
rofl. are you serious?
edit: oh wow
btw nice to see my observations proven true in this very thread. all of them.
Hmm?
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On September 25 2012 02:39 aksfjh wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2012 02:35 Shady Sands wrote:On September 25 2012 02:26 m4inbrain wrote:
Japan could never do something to chill you people (which it actually doesn't even concern first hand, as i said: you're just used to hate japan). How is this true? All China needs would be: 1) Japanese withdrawal from the Diaoyu Islands 2) Dismantling of the JMSDF (not the whole military, just the naval component that continually poses a threat to Chinese shipping) 3) The abdication and elimination of the Japanese imperial seat (the institution most responsible for the terrors and tragedies of WW2 in Asia) In lieu of empty words, how about some concrete actions from the Japanese to show regret and win forgiveness from their neighbors? That's it. Why are those three things so hard? I really hope this is a joke post.
I am (and the Chinese people are) perfectly serious.
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On September 25 2012 02:41 robjapan wrote:
Both Shinzo Abe and the nutjob Nakayama were VERY quickly removed from their posts, Nakayama after a whole 4 days IIRC.
They get promoted to those roles because they were good at it, then they express those opinions and are removed BECAUSE of those opinions.
REMEMBER THIS PART.
They weren't voted in because of their scumbag opinions, THEY WERE FIRED BECAUSE OF THEM.
The Japanese people were just as outraged as anyone else was, hell Shinzo Abe and Nakayam's party lost the last election by a LANDSLIDE..... BECAUSE they said shitty scumbag things like that.
So check your shit at the door before you go off calling Japanese people "beyond sick"
And yet, Japan is a democracy so people share the liability of putting people in power. How is that so hard to understand?
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On September 25 2012 03:06 Shady Sands wrote:
I am (and the Chinese people are) perfectly serious.
1. Those islands were given to Japan by the Americans. If you have a problem take it up with the Americans, failing that get your ass to the ICJ, quit bitching to the Japanese.
2. Japan is a PACIFIST nation, during the last election, the previous party lost A LOT of support because it sent troops to iraq, it was HUGELY unpopular.
Japan barely maintains a self defense force, why do you want them to remove their only line of defense? because you secretly want to invade Japan and re-enact all of the things they did in China?
3. The Emperor is nothing but a puppet at the moment, he has ZERO power, the father of the current emperor REFUSED to go to yasukuni because of the war criminals mistakenly enshrined there, his son has also refused to visit there.
When Japan surrendered the emperor demanded the Americans execute him, before doing that to let him go to China and Korea and publicly bow down and apologize to those nations, McCarthur refused and because the Americans were more scared of the the progress of the Soviet Union, he decided it was in the interests of America to encourage a emperor based, right wing focused government in Japan.
This right wing can still be seen today, but it gets weaker every year. Recently the LDP which is a center-right party lost in a landslide election to a center-left democratic party, the first time they had lost an election in an extremely long time.
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On September 25 2012 03:14 Taku wrote:
And yet, Japan is a democracy so people share the liability of putting people in power. How is that so hard to understand?
And how hard is it to understand that it was the people who acted quickly to remove these scumbags from power?
politics in Japan doesn't work the same way as it does in the west, candidates aren't interviewed much on TV or in newspapers, they just do their jobs quietly for many years and only when they achieve a position of power and suddenly asked 100s of questions every day do their shitty opinions come out.
P.S. neither Abe nor Nakayama were ever actually voted in, Abe took over power after the previous PM resigned, he NEVER won an election and he was only in power for 11months before... as I KEEP ON SAYING he was removed because the Japanese people HATED the fucker.
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OK. I have provided/defended Japanese perspective multiple times in this thread, but I have to disagree with some other pro-Japan opinions on this Yasukuni shrine issue. I don't think it is appropriate for Japanese Prime Minister or cabinet members to go warship at Yasukuni shrine as long as 14 Class-A war criminals are enshrined there. It is perfectly fine that ordinary Japanese citizens go there for their family/ancestor etc., but not PM or cabinet member at this point. After the war, someone had to take responsibilities, and those guys did. Despite the fact that The International Military Tribunal for the Far East was victor's justice with little to no basis on international laws at the time, or that Crime against Peace which they were convicted of didn't even exist when commited and therefore was against the principal of retroactive law, Japan accepted the judgement of the court in Article 11 of San Francisco Treaty anyways.
Article 11
Japan accepts the judgments of the International Military Tribunal for the Far East and of other Allied War Crimes Courts both within and outside Japan, and will carry out the sentences imposed thereby upon Japanese nationals imprisoned in Japan...
However unfair the process might have been, Japan accepted the terms, so those high ranking guys took primary responsibility of what happened during the war. It's just like when a corporation screws up somthing. CEO and board members who are in charge are to blame for all the shitstorm. Japanese PM or cabinet members should refrain from worshipping shrine that includes war criminals that even Japan admitted no matter how many others are non criminals. Yeah, it sucks that Yasukuni shrine, not Japanese government, made the decision to enshrine those 14 guys in 1978, which supposedly prevented the emperor from worshipping as well, but not much we can do about it unless Yasukuni shrine itself makes another decision in future.
As for Chinese/Korean complaints on this issue, I could care less about it. Although I am basically agreeing with that side, this is a domestic issue in my eyes that needs to be dealt by Japan for Japan. Also, no Chinese/Korean should be in trimph reading my support because China/Korea didn't sign or recognize San Francisco Treaty for Dokdo/Takeshima or Diaoyu/Senkaku issues. My reasoning is not relevant to any Chinese/Korean as long as their stance on San Francisco Treaty is not clear.
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On September 25 2012 03:06 Shady Sands wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2012 02:39 aksfjh wrote:On September 25 2012 02:35 Shady Sands wrote:On September 25 2012 02:26 m4inbrain wrote:
Japan could never do something to chill you people (which it actually doesn't even concern first hand, as i said: you're just used to hate japan). How is this true? All China needs would be: 1) Japanese withdrawal from the Diaoyu Islands 2) Dismantling of the JMSDF (not the whole military, just the naval component that continually poses a threat to Chinese shipping) 3) The abdication and elimination of the Japanese imperial seat (the institution most responsible for the terrors and tragedies of WW2 in Asia) In lieu of empty words, how about some concrete actions from the Japanese to show regret and win forgiveness from their neighbors? That's it. Why are those three things so hard? I really hope this is a joke post. I am (and the Chinese people are) perfectly serious.
I would think it would be embarrassing to openly admit that you want a country with a fraction of the population, which spends half as much (as a percent of GDP compared to China) on military...to lessen their military.
That's absurd, asking for it will net you exactly: Everyone laughing in your face. It's absurd to the point of ridiculousness.
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On September 25 2012 03:21 robjapan wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2012 03:14 Taku wrote:
And yet, Japan is a democracy so people share the liability of putting people in power. How is that so hard to understand? And how hard is it to understand that it was the people who acted quickly to remove these scumbags from power? politics in Japan doesn't work the same way as it does in the west, candidates aren't interviewed much on TV or in newspapers, they just do their jobs quietly for many years and only when they achieve a position of power and suddenly asked 100s of questions every day do their shitty opinions come out. P.S. neither Abe nor Nakayama were ever actually voted in, Abe took over power after the previous PM resigned, he NEVER won an election and he was only in power for 11months before... as I KEEP ON SAYING he was removed because the Japanese people HATED the fucker.
Well, I live in a country with a similar government structure so I kind of know how things work. Members of the diet are directly elected by the people, and then the prime minister is chosen by his peers no? I am 99% sure as well that most of them knew about the historical leanings of Abe when they picked him but didn't care until he embarrassed them enough to the point where not removing him would mean losing face. As far as I know a significant majority of Japanese are quite apathetic and don't really put thought into who they vote for(when they vote at all) which can be the only explanation on how people like Ishihara get elected. Ignorance is not an excuse, so any consequences from the actions of their leadership will be deserved.
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On September 25 2012 03:26 Felnarion wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2012 03:06 Shady Sands wrote:On September 25 2012 02:39 aksfjh wrote:On September 25 2012 02:35 Shady Sands wrote:On September 25 2012 02:26 m4inbrain wrote:
Japan could never do something to chill you people (which it actually doesn't even concern first hand, as i said: you're just used to hate japan). How is this true? All China needs would be: 1) Japanese withdrawal from the Diaoyu Islands 2) Dismantling of the JMSDF (not the whole military, just the naval component that continually poses a threat to Chinese shipping) 3) The abdication and elimination of the Japanese imperial seat (the institution most responsible for the terrors and tragedies of WW2 in Asia) In lieu of empty words, how about some concrete actions from the Japanese to show regret and win forgiveness from their neighbors? That's it. Why are those three things so hard? I really hope this is a joke post. I am (and the Chinese people are) perfectly serious. I would think it would be embarrassing to openly admit that you want a country with a fraction of the population, which spends half as much (as a percent of GDP compared to China) on military...to lessen their military. That's absurd, asking for it will net you exactly: Everyone laughing in your face. It's absurd to the point of ridiculousness.
Laugh in the face of 1.3 billion people at your own peril lol.
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oh dude... Abe never got voted in, he took over after Koizumi resigned.
and when he stepped out of line, it was the people who kicked his ass out.
So NO he wasn't elected by the people, but he was damn well removed by them.
As for the TOTAL ASS Ishihara, don't get me started, I fucking hate this cunt BUUUUTTTT he is governor of Tokyo, and "shouldn't" be saying anything in regards to international relations.
The sad thing is that he is actually REALLY good at his job, but his outright offensive opinions make him and Japan look really really bad.
"According to politician Kōichi Hamada, Ishihara gave financial and political support to Aum Shinrikyo, a religious cult that was involved in several murders and assassination attempts during the early 1990s.[11] Immediately after the Sarin gas attack on the Tokyo subway in 1995, Ishihara dropped out of national politics, suddenly ending a 25-year career in the Diet."
so yeh.... I won't defend this guy, far right wing, racist scum bag.
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