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Learning Guitar (i.e. total noobie) Part One - Page 6

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Teoita
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Italy12246 Posts
November 01 2012 21:15 GMT
#101
Yeah.

As professional teachers and players have mentioned in this thread, there isn't a single method that works for everyone. Some people are fine just grinding out exercises, others need to play stuff they like to find the motivation to keep on practicing.
ModeratorProtoss all-ins are like a wok. You can throw whatever you want in there and it will turn out alright.
yeastiality
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada374 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-04 16:25:43
November 04 2012 16:18 GMT
#102
Good thread. One thing I've found is that the way I learn changes really easily, so it's good to have lots of options (songs to practice, scales to grind, theory lessons, personal projects..).

For anyone who has been playing a few years: how often do you find yourself revisiting your fundamentals?

Recently I've been learning a lot of 1980s King Crimson (like this). I'm ditching all my effects and processing and just practising these crazy complicated parts. Starting slow (using BPMinus) and speeding up.. It's made me realize how inconsistent a lot of my playing is: picking (attack->volume), fretting (in the middle!), holding my thumb on the back of the neck, holding the pick and so on. For me, the key to learning songs like Discipline and Three of A Perfect Pair is improving the most basic things about my playing, as if I just started playing. Playing clean (no distortion/drive etc to mess with the dynamic range) really reveals how 'tight' your playing is, too. I have a feeling I'll be a lot more expressive when I go back to using effects as a crutch again at some point!

Turning your entire guitar-playing perspective around for a few weeks can be really enlightening.
Split.
Profile Joined September 2011
Switzerland234 Posts
November 18 2012 20:35 GMT
#103
I recently picked up the guitar again, but ran into a technique-question :
What's the better way to playing multiple notes on the same string? Keep the lowest note pressed down, so you are pressing down 2 frets for the duration or "hop" and let go of the previous fret? (Or is there no general best way of doing this?)
Example: When playing fret 3 then 5 then 3 then 5 on the e string

I hope somebody on TL can help me out

At OP: Great initiative writing this, I like it
Teoita
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Italy12246 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-18 21:26:48
November 18 2012 21:26 GMT
#104
I usually keep my index finger down yeah. I have seen people do both though.

Glad you liked the article
ModeratorProtoss all-ins are like a wok. You can throw whatever you want in there and it will turn out alright.
FraCuS
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States1072 Posts
November 26 2012 05:42 GMT
#105
Yeah I'm probably going no where with gaming, I mean it's fun and all but how great is it to pick up a guitar and show off a few songs. I've spent wayy too much time on video games, when I can spend it mostly on other hobbies.

I am definitely gonna go shopping for an acoustic guitar this week. When I find one, I'll post it on this blog to see what my veteran TL guitar players think :D price/durability.
Apink/Girl's Day/miss A/IU/Crayon Pop/Sistar/Exo K :D l Kpop and Kdrama Enthusiast
TipperT
Profile Joined June 2010
United States43 Posts
November 27 2012 00:17 GMT
#106
Thank you for posting this! I just started learning guitar a few days ago and this has helped big time! Looking forward to the next parts!
FraCuS
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States1072 Posts
December 11 2012 06:19 GMT
#107
Pick or Finger Pick?
Apink/Girl's Day/miss A/IU/Crayon Pop/Sistar/Exo K :D l Kpop and Kdrama Enthusiast
Teoita
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Italy12246 Posts
December 11 2012 08:25 GMT
#108
I use a pick 95% of the time. I guess it depends on the style of music you are playing and how you feel comfortable.
ModeratorProtoss all-ins are like a wok. You can throw whatever you want in there and it will turn out alright.
FraCuS
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States1072 Posts
December 11 2012 13:42 GMT
#109
I think I want to work on Finger picking.

Hopefully I'll be proficient like this guy :D



or

Apink/Girl's Day/miss A/IU/Crayon Pop/Sistar/Exo K :D l Kpop and Kdrama Enthusiast
Teoita
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Italy12246 Posts
December 11 2012 14:00 GMT
#110
Sungha Jung OP.
ModeratorProtoss all-ins are like a wok. You can throw whatever you want in there and it will turn out alright.
FraCuS
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States1072 Posts
December 11 2012 14:11 GMT
#111
What's a good guide out there for finger picking and also any tips?
Apink/Girl's Day/miss A/IU/Crayon Pop/Sistar/Exo K :D l Kpop and Kdrama Enthusiast
yeastiality
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada374 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-28 22:44:04
December 28 2012 22:18 GMT
#112
On November 19 2012 05:35 Split. wrote:
I recently picked up the guitar again, but ran into a technique-question :
What's the better way to playing multiple notes on the same string? Keep the lowest note pressed down, so you are pressing down 2 frets for the duration or "hop" and let go of the previous fret? (Or is there no general best way of doing this?)
Example: When playing fret 3 then 5 then 3 then 5 on the e string

I hope somebody on TL can help me out

At OP: Great initiative writing this, I like it


a bit late on responding, but here's my answer:

you can't dogmatically say "always hold down the lowest-fretted note while playing the others"
it's more about the context of what you're playing - you should hold down previous notes for one of these reasons:

1) you're keeping your fretting hand in the same 'position' (group of ~4 frets)
2) you want to make a really controlled bend/vibrato by using multiple fingers (paul gilbert has some lessons about this)

for your example (3-5-3-5-3-5-3-5) it's best to keep one finger docked on the third fret and use the other one to change to the fifth fret when you play that one
...unless you want to take your hand off the string completely to deaden whatever your last note was

here's an example tab to think about:
---------------
---------------
---------------
---------3-6--
-----3-5------
-3-5----------

This can all be played in one position with your first finger on the 3rd fret

------------------------
------------------------
------------------------
-------------3----------
---------5--------------
-3-5s7----------------

This (for me at least) requires moving the whole hand in order to play it smoothly/relaxed. I slide to the 5th position (third finger moves from 5 to 7, first finger ends up on 5 for the 5th string).

Some things to think about:
1) Rush - YYZ : at the end of the guitar solo, there's a descending legato lick that covers half the neck. You have to change positions frequently to play this, but within each position you will be hammering-on and pulling-off a couple of notes (watch his hand closely)
2) Led Zeppelin - Black Dog : in the main riff, there are 3 ascending notes and you may as well keep your fingers on the string as you play them (to be able to add little bends/vibratos here and there as you choose), and it will keep those fingers lined up for moving to the other notes in the riff
3) Take whatever you're playing now, and play it a couple frets higher. Now go back and play it lower (where it started). Repeat back and forth to get used to moving between positions. Add some more notes to get more of your fingers involved on the same string. Then start moving that higher/lower..etc

Hopefully that helps a bit. Cheers!
urSa
Profile Joined July 2011
United States77 Posts
January 04 2013 17:30 GMT
#113
what happened to part 2? it's been a while lol....
Teoita
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Italy12246 Posts
January 04 2013 17:32 GMT
#114
It's still a work in progress haha. Both me and Emythel have been super busy, plus Wolfwood was going to write something somewhat similar to what i had in mind, so we are still sorting that out
ModeratorProtoss all-ins are like a wok. You can throw whatever you want in there and it will turn out alright.
urSa
Profile Joined July 2011
United States77 Posts
January 04 2013 17:48 GMT
#115
ah well no worries....btw I'm learning glycerine and you have to put your pinky (or ring finger i guess) on both the third fret of E and D (then slide that power chord around) but I'm having trouble with pressing those down while muting the other strings with my index finger...plus when you slide down you have to mute low e with your middle finger (so 3-a, 5-d, and 5-g are held down) which wants to pull away from the fret board for some reason when I do that power chord haha. Any tips? :p
Teoita
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Italy12246 Posts
January 04 2013 17:55 GMT
#116
E and D? Shouldn't it be E and A if you are playing a power chord? I looked up "glyerine" and i found a Bush song; assuming that's what you are talking about it looks like fairly straightforward power chord stuff.

In general when using power chords (which is a looot of the time for me) i only strum the strings im supposed to (for the most part), so i don't need to use my fingers to mute anything (except the E with the middle finger as you say), especially the strings below (E-B and sometimes G).

It sounds like you are pushing to hard with your other fingers on the fretboard, so the middle finger naturally tries to "rise" and it goes away from the fretboard.

I hope that made any sense, it's actually really tough to explain this stuff on a forum haha.
ModeratorProtoss all-ins are like a wok. You can throw whatever you want in there and it will turn out alright.
urSa
Profile Joined July 2011
United States77 Posts
January 04 2013 18:04 GMT
#117
ya but I know what you mean...I think my strings are kinda thick or just old haha I haven't changed them since I first got the guitar 0_o here's the video I'm learning from...I think it's called a super power chord? since it's 3 strings instead of 2...
Teoita
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Italy12246 Posts
January 04 2013 18:20 GMT
#118
There's really no reason to play power chords like that, it just makes it harder than it really is. You should use your index finger for the E/A string, ring finger for A/D, and pinky for D/G.

Also, that's a normal power chord; using only the first two notes means you are rather playing a bicord.
ModeratorProtoss all-ins are like a wok. You can throw whatever you want in there and it will turn out alright.
urSa
Profile Joined July 2011
United States77 Posts
January 04 2013 18:24 GMT
#119
Ooooh ok lol I thought about doing that but I was like hmmm....there must be some reason he's playing it like that haha....thanks man :p
pebble444
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Italy2497 Posts
June 01 2013 16:12 GMT
#120
Okay so if your starting to play here is a couple of simple and fun tunes:

Intro to Redemption song: By Robert Nesta Marey aka Bob (single strings)

[image loading]
The beat of the song is 4/4. One - between the numbers means 1/8, two -- means 1/4 , four ----means play the note for 2/4 etc.
the ^ means to play the note for 1/8 of time and another 1/8 you mute the note for 1/8 and then play the nxt one.
If its too confusing just play the notes, when theres more space let more time pass and when less space play them more quickly. Altrenativly, when you play the last G, aka -3- on the E Chord at the end, you can replace it with a G chord
as the song goes like thiw after: G Em C Am

+ Show Spoiler [Rest of the song] +


|-----------------3--------0--------0--------0-----------------------------------------------| e
|-----------------0--------0--------1--------1--------------------------------------| B
|-----------------0--------0--------0--------2--------------------------------------| G
|-----------------0--------2--------2--------2--------------------------------------| D
|-----------------2--------2--------3--------0--------------------------------------| A
|-----------------3--------0--------x--------x--------------------------------------| E


Sometimes he will mute the Am, meaning he plays is and then like the single chord in the intro he mutes it when he goes into the chorus instead of playing the D chord in the next diagram.

When he goes into the Chorus just replace the last Am with a D Chord:

|-----------------3--------0--------0--------2-----------------------------------------------| e
|-----------------0--------0--------1--------3--------------------------------------| B
|-----------------0--------0--------0--------2--------------------------------------| G
|-----------------0--------2--------2--------0--------------------------------------| D
|-----------------2--------2--------3--------x--------------------------------------| A
|-----------------3--------0--------x--------x--------------------------------------| E




The actual Chorus:


|----------------0----2----3----------------------------------| e
|----------------1----3----0----------------------------------| B
|----------------0----2----0----------------------------------| G
|----------------2----0----0----------------------------------| D play twice
|----------------3----x----2----------------------------------| A
|----------------x----x----3----------------------------------| E

Cause all i ever had

|----------------0----2----0----------------------------------| e
|----------------1----3----0----------------------------------| B
|----------------0----2----0----------------------------------| G
|----------------2----0----2----------------------------------| D play once
|----------------3----x----2----------------------------------| A
|----------------x----x----0----------------------------------| E



|----------------0----2----3----------------------------------| e
|----------------1----3----0----------------------------------| B
|----------------0----2----0----------------------------------| G
|----------------2----0----0----------------------------------| D replay this and go back into main part
|----------------3----x----2----------------------------------| A
|----------------x----x----3----------------------------------| E


Breathe in the air by pink Floyd
Em A intro

|-------0-------0------------------------------| e
|-------0-------2------------------------------| B
|-------0-------2------------------------------| G
|-------2-------2------------------------------| D
|-------2-------0------------------------------| A
|-------0-------x------------------------------| E


Gl and have fun most importantly
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