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On August 29 2012 01:47 KingAce wrote:
Both Islam and christianity have the doctrine. "Do not kill." No exceptions.
No they don't...
There are plenty of situations in which it is perfectly legal to kill.
Thou shalt not kill is the first commandmend. That is on those two lovely tablets that Moses carries down the mountain.
Could you tell me god commands the jews to do shortly after that?
Something about genocide...
Also, the penalty for apostasy is pretty clear in Islam. Christianity never really orders you to go out and kill anyone, but since their god is the same, you can't really argue that god seems to be firmly on the pro-murder side.
You can't be jealous either, but if you read the books you will quickly learn that there isn't a fictional character more jealous than the Abrahamic god.
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On August 28 2012 09:36 DrThorMD wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2012 09:14 Verator wrote:
First of all, its not really laws, its religious text.
And dancing is a sin, their text says sins should be punished with death, so they kill them.
Its the same as if people actually followed the old testament's commands in the bible. Have you got a source or a quote from the Quran that says punish sins with death? I would very much like to see that.
the taliban has its own abridged version of the quran where they gutted out all sensibility from the book.
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Regardless of the circumstances, such news is appalling. Nothing short of disgusting the way some cultures act. I'm sorry, tolerance and empathy is nice and all, there are limits. Things like this simply shouldn't happen.
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On August 29 2012 02:15 zalz wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2012 01:47 KingAce wrote:
Both Islam and christianity have the doctrine. "Do not kill." No exceptions. No they don't... There are plenty of situations in which it is perfectly legal to kill. Thou shalt not kill is the first commandmend. That is on those two lovely tablets that Moses carries down the mountain. Could you tell me god commands the jews to do shortly after that? Something about genocide... Also, the penalty for apostasy is pretty clear in Islam. Christianity never really orders you to go out and kill anyone, but since their god is the same, you can't really argue that god seems to be firmly on the pro-murder side. You can't be jealous either, but if you read the books you will quickly learn that there isn't a fictional character more jealous than the Abrahamic god.
yea seriously. i took a history of religion class my second year of college just for fun and was blown away by spiteful and jealous he was. modern society has gotten pretty good at representing god as a loving and fair figure, but in the books he's totally down to kill the shit out of anyone that doesn't serve him just for the sake of it. he's almost sadistic.
that said it is a better story that way.
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On August 29 2012 01:57 Talin wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2012 00:40 SayGen wrote:
I tihnk it's sad how we dare judge other countries and their beleifs. Judgement is never sad. Everything should be judged, measured and evaluated, all the time, by as many people as possible. Criticism of a system of beliefs that causes things like this to happen is perfectly rational and justified. Likewise, their own criticisms of a western system of beliefs are, in many ways, justified as well and should not be ignored. Both need to be expressed, rather than either side "letting everyone do what they want". Nobody should ever be allowed to entirely "do what they want" - no culture, no nation and no individual. Principles of humanism are universal, and anyone going against those should be pressured to fall into line.
Humanism is a concept, a theory, a philosophy.
There is no universal law.
Principles are nothing more than a set of ethic/moral beliefs.
Your principals are not the prinicpals over all.
There is no set of right and wrong.
I do however agree that everything should be judged. I should of said (my mistake) that we as Americans have no right to enforce our judgements onto another sovergein nation. That was my mistake for not typing it out correctly, and for that I apologise.
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On August 29 2012 01:44 MiQ wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2012 01:37 SayGen wrote:On August 29 2012 01:07 ddrddrddrddr wrote:On August 29 2012 00:17 MiQ wrote:
Wow are you fuckign kidding me?? People get beheaded for dancing and singing?! Women included?! Fucking barbaric pieces of shit. Unbelievable. They really are the bottom of the shit barrel of humanity. Women included? What do you mean by that? It's better to behead men than women? It was a sexist comment. Though I'm sure he'll claim chivalry, we both know it was discrimination. No sex is worth saving over the other. Woman and children 1st means little in a world of equality. So you label me as sexist yet go out of your way to say we shouldn't judge other countries and cultures that treat their own people like shit. Yeah okay, keep on spreading your wise words of wisdom. Stupid double standard bullshit.
I don't label you anything. I call it like I see it. You made a sexist comment that put one sex over the other. That is not equal. No man is better than any woman and vice versa according to 'equality'. you do know what the "=" symbol means right?
That country can treat it's people however it wants, and we can treat people in our country however we want.
If that country doesn't like it, they can have a revolution/coup/etc and change the law- just like we here in America can.
I'm against social imperialism. Just cause you don't like it, doens't make us right and them wrong.
I think it's horrible that event happened. Am I going to do anything about it- nope.
Why? CAUSE IT ISN'T MY COUNTRY AND I WILL NOT FORCE THEM TO DO WHAT I THINK IS RIGHT.
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On August 29 2012 02:52 SayGen wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2012 01:44 MiQ wrote:On August 29 2012 01:37 SayGen wrote:On August 29 2012 01:07 ddrddrddrddr wrote:On August 29 2012 00:17 MiQ wrote:
Wow are you fuckign kidding me?? People get beheaded for dancing and singing?! Women included?! Fucking barbaric pieces of shit. Unbelievable. They really are the bottom of the shit barrel of humanity. Women included? What do you mean by that? It's better to behead men than women? It was a sexist comment. Though I'm sure he'll claim chivalry, we both know it was discrimination. No sex is worth saving over the other. Woman and children 1st means little in a world of equality. So you label me as sexist yet go out of your way to say we shouldn't judge other countries and cultures that treat their own people like shit. Yeah okay, keep on spreading your wise words of wisdom. Stupid double standard bullshit. I don't label you anything. I call it like I see it. You made a sexist comment that put one sex over the other. That is not equal. No man is better than any woman and vice versa according to 'equality'. you do know what the "=" symbol means right? That country can treat it's people however it wants, and we can treat people in our country however we want. If that country doesn't like it, they can have a revolution/coup/etc and change the law- just like we here in America can. I'm against social imperialism. Just cause you don't like it, doens't make us right and them wrong. I think it's horrible that event happened. Am I going to do anything about it- nope. Why? CAUSE IT ISN'T MY COUNTRY AND I WILL NOT FORCE THEM TO DO WHAT I THINK IS RIGHT.
Such a ridiculous belief. You act as if there is some grand dogma protecting the rights of nations and national governments to do as they please regardless of individual rights. You say that no one should have any say outside of his nation. Why should anyone have any say outside of his own province? Outside of his hometown? Outside of his own household? Why should anyone have any say on anything other than his personal actions? This is the problem with cultural relativism. There may sometimes be gray areas between right and wrong, but in this case, it is clear that the Taliban are firmly in the wrong.
Does that justify use of force? Perhaps not. But the reasons against use of force definitely wouldn't rely on as silly or ignorant an argument as "CAUSE IT ISN'T MY COUNTRY".
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On August 29 2012 03:08 Warlock40 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2012 02:52 SayGen wrote:On August 29 2012 01:44 MiQ wrote:On August 29 2012 01:37 SayGen wrote:On August 29 2012 01:07 ddrddrddrddr wrote:On August 29 2012 00:17 MiQ wrote:
Wow are you fuckign kidding me?? People get beheaded for dancing and singing?! Women included?! Fucking barbaric pieces of shit. Unbelievable. They really are the bottom of the shit barrel of humanity. Women included? What do you mean by that? It's better to behead men than women? It was a sexist comment. Though I'm sure he'll claim chivalry, we both know it was discrimination. No sex is worth saving over the other. Woman and children 1st means little in a world of equality. So you label me as sexist yet go out of your way to say we shouldn't judge other countries and cultures that treat their own people like shit. Yeah okay, keep on spreading your wise words of wisdom. Stupid double standard bullshit. I don't label you anything. I call it like I see it. You made a sexist comment that put one sex over the other. That is not equal. No man is better than any woman and vice versa according to 'equality'. you do know what the "=" symbol means right? That country can treat it's people however it wants, and we can treat people in our country however we want. If that country doesn't like it, they can have a revolution/coup/etc and change the law- just like we here in America can. I'm against social imperialism. Just cause you don't like it, doens't make us right and them wrong. I think it's horrible that event happened. Am I going to do anything about it- nope. Why? CAUSE IT ISN'T MY COUNTRY AND I WILL NOT FORCE THEM TO DO WHAT I THINK IS RIGHT. Such a ridiculous belief. You act as if there is some grand dogma protecting the rights of nations and national governments to do as they please regardless of individual rights. You say that no one should have any say outside of his nation. Why should anyone have any say outside of his own province? Outside of his hometown? Outside of his own household? Why should anyone have any say on anything other than his personal actions? This is the problem with cultural relativism. There may sometimes be gray areas between right and wrong, but in this case, it is clear that the Taliban are firmly in the wrong. Does that justify use of force? Perhaps not. But the reasons against use of force definitely wouldn't rely on as silly or ignorant an argument as "CAUSE IT ISN'T MY COUNTRY".
You couldn't be more wrong.
The people choose their government. The government is the people. PEOPLE run and operate the government.
If it was bad they would over throw it, or leave. There are no walls on their border they can walk out. They choose to live under those laws, and they have the right to do so.
The fact that your trying to push your ideals of right and wrong on others countries is sickening. I mean that truly. It is beyond despicable. How dare you call yourself the moral right in the universe. Humans are FREE and independent. We are not limbs of one being. Your imperialistic values are the problem with the world today. People like you are why we will never have a lasting peace and prosperity. If I don't like how things are done in my country, USA- I can always leave. Your trying to push 1 WORLD law- which just so happens to be YOUR LAW.
How would you like it if they were the ones who came to your country and talked about how vile you were, how wrong you were. How would you like it if they pushed their beliefs on you?
I will continue to push for FREEDOM. You can continue to be an imperialist if you want, you have your right to an opinion and unlike you I respect your right to an opinion and ur right to leave under whatever laws you think are 'right'.
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On August 29 2012 03:25 SayGen wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2012 03:08 Warlock40 wrote:On August 29 2012 02:52 SayGen wrote:On August 29 2012 01:44 MiQ wrote:On August 29 2012 01:37 SayGen wrote:On August 29 2012 01:07 ddrddrddrddr wrote:On August 29 2012 00:17 MiQ wrote:
Wow are you fuckign kidding me?? People get beheaded for dancing and singing?! Women included?! Fucking barbaric pieces of shit. Unbelievable. They really are the bottom of the shit barrel of humanity. Women included? What do you mean by that? It's better to behead men than women? It was a sexist comment. Though I'm sure he'll claim chivalry, we both know it was discrimination. No sex is worth saving over the other. Woman and children 1st means little in a world of equality. So you label me as sexist yet go out of your way to say we shouldn't judge other countries and cultures that treat their own people like shit. Yeah okay, keep on spreading your wise words of wisdom. Stupid double standard bullshit. I don't label you anything. I call it like I see it. You made a sexist comment that put one sex over the other. That is not equal. No man is better than any woman and vice versa according to 'equality'. you do know what the "=" symbol means right? That country can treat it's people however it wants, and we can treat people in our country however we want. If that country doesn't like it, they can have a revolution/coup/etc and change the law- just like we here in America can. I'm against social imperialism. Just cause you don't like it, doens't make us right and them wrong. I think it's horrible that event happened. Am I going to do anything about it- nope. Why? CAUSE IT ISN'T MY COUNTRY AND I WILL NOT FORCE THEM TO DO WHAT I THINK IS RIGHT. Such a ridiculous belief. You act as if there is some grand dogma protecting the rights of nations and national governments to do as they please regardless of individual rights. You say that no one should have any say outside of his nation. Why should anyone have any say outside of his own province? Outside of his hometown? Outside of his own household? Why should anyone have any say on anything other than his personal actions? This is the problem with cultural relativism. There may sometimes be gray areas between right and wrong, but in this case, it is clear that the Taliban are firmly in the wrong. Does that justify use of force? Perhaps not. But the reasons against use of force definitely wouldn't rely on as silly or ignorant an argument as "CAUSE IT ISN'T MY COUNTRY". You couldn't be more wrong. The people choose their government. The government is the people. PEOPLE run and operate the government. If it was bad they would over throw it, or leave. There are no walls on their border they can walk out. They choose to live under those laws, and they have the right to do so. The fact that your trying to push your ideals of right and wrong on others countries is sickening. I mean that truly. It is beyond despicable. How dare you call yourself the moral right in the universe. Humans are FREE and independent. We are not limbs of one being. Your imperialistic values are the problem with the world today. People like you are why we will never have a lasting peace and prosperity. If I don't like how things are done in my country, USA- I can always leave. Your trying to push 1 WORLD law- which just so happens to be YOUR LAW. How would you like it if they were the ones who came to your country and talked about how vile you were, how wrong you were. How would you like it if they pushed their beliefs on you? I will continue to push for FREEDOM. You can continue to be an imperialist if you want, you have your right to an opinion and unlike you I respect your right to an opinion and ur right to leave under whatever laws you think are 'right'.
I'm sure the 17 murdered in this case are plenty happy with their freedom. Do not on one hand speak about freedom and how you think these people should be free to do as they wish and then so quickly dismiss the freedoms of the murdered who simply danced. Where is their freedom?
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On August 29 2012 03:29 Elsid wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2012 03:25 SayGen wrote:On August 29 2012 03:08 Warlock40 wrote:On August 29 2012 02:52 SayGen wrote:On August 29 2012 01:44 MiQ wrote:On August 29 2012 01:37 SayGen wrote:On August 29 2012 01:07 ddrddrddrddr wrote:On August 29 2012 00:17 MiQ wrote:
Wow are you fuckign kidding me?? People get beheaded for dancing and singing?! Women included?! Fucking barbaric pieces of shit. Unbelievable. They really are the bottom of the shit barrel of humanity. Women included? What do you mean by that? It's better to behead men than women? It was a sexist comment. Though I'm sure he'll claim chivalry, we both know it was discrimination. No sex is worth saving over the other. Woman and children 1st means little in a world of equality. So you label me as sexist yet go out of your way to say we shouldn't judge other countries and cultures that treat their own people like shit. Yeah okay, keep on spreading your wise words of wisdom. Stupid double standard bullshit. I don't label you anything. I call it like I see it. You made a sexist comment that put one sex over the other. That is not equal. No man is better than any woman and vice versa according to 'equality'. you do know what the "=" symbol means right? That country can treat it's people however it wants, and we can treat people in our country however we want. If that country doesn't like it, they can have a revolution/coup/etc and change the law- just like we here in America can. I'm against social imperialism. Just cause you don't like it, doens't make us right and them wrong. I think it's horrible that event happened. Am I going to do anything about it- nope. Why? CAUSE IT ISN'T MY COUNTRY AND I WILL NOT FORCE THEM TO DO WHAT I THINK IS RIGHT. Such a ridiculous belief. You act as if there is some grand dogma protecting the rights of nations and national governments to do as they please regardless of individual rights. You say that no one should have any say outside of his nation. Why should anyone have any say outside of his own province? Outside of his hometown? Outside of his own household? Why should anyone have any say on anything other than his personal actions? This is the problem with cultural relativism. There may sometimes be gray areas between right and wrong, but in this case, it is clear that the Taliban are firmly in the wrong. Does that justify use of force? Perhaps not. But the reasons against use of force definitely wouldn't rely on as silly or ignorant an argument as "CAUSE IT ISN'T MY COUNTRY". You couldn't be more wrong. The people choose their government. The government is the people. PEOPLE run and operate the government. If it was bad they would over throw it, or leave. There are no walls on their border they can walk out. They choose to live under those laws, and they have the right to do so. The fact that your trying to push your ideals of right and wrong on others countries is sickening. I mean that truly. It is beyond despicable. How dare you call yourself the moral right in the universe. Humans are FREE and independent. We are not limbs of one being. Your imperialistic values are the problem with the world today. People like you are why we will never have a lasting peace and prosperity. If I don't like how things are done in my country, USA- I can always leave. Your trying to push 1 WORLD law- which just so happens to be YOUR LAW. How would you like it if they were the ones who came to your country and talked about how vile you were, how wrong you were. How would you like it if they pushed their beliefs on you? I will continue to push for FREEDOM. You can continue to be an imperialist if you want, you have your right to an opinion and unlike you I respect your right to an opinion and ur right to leave under whatever laws you think are 'right'. I'm sure the 17 murdered in this case are plenty happy with their freedom. Do not on one hand speak about freedom and how you think these people should be free to do as they wish and then so quickly dismiss the freedoms of the murdered who simply danced. Where is their freedom?
If they wanted to dance they shouldn't of done it where they did, again if they didn't like the law- get it changed, or leave the country.
Freedom doens't work with stupid people. Either A) They knew the law and choose to break it. or B) They were ignorant of the law and they have my pity.
I hold people accountable for their choices. They choose to live there. They choose to live under those laws. They choose to risk death. They died. I see no problem here.
Had they been Americans, in America- I would have a polar opposite position on this issue.
PS: Great political skills dodging the questions that were asked.
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On August 29 2012 03:37 SayGen wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2012 03:29 Elsid wrote:On August 29 2012 03:25 SayGen wrote:On August 29 2012 03:08 Warlock40 wrote:On August 29 2012 02:52 SayGen wrote:On August 29 2012 01:44 MiQ wrote:On August 29 2012 01:37 SayGen wrote:On August 29 2012 01:07 ddrddrddrddr wrote:On August 29 2012 00:17 MiQ wrote:
Wow are you fuckign kidding me?? People get beheaded for dancing and singing?! Women included?! Fucking barbaric pieces of shit. Unbelievable. They really are the bottom of the shit barrel of humanity. Women included? What do you mean by that? It's better to behead men than women? It was a sexist comment. Though I'm sure he'll claim chivalry, we both know it was discrimination. No sex is worth saving over the other. Woman and children 1st means little in a world of equality. So you label me as sexist yet go out of your way to say we shouldn't judge other countries and cultures that treat their own people like shit. Yeah okay, keep on spreading your wise words of wisdom. Stupid double standard bullshit. I don't label you anything. I call it like I see it. You made a sexist comment that put one sex over the other. That is not equal. No man is better than any woman and vice versa according to 'equality'. you do know what the "=" symbol means right? That country can treat it's people however it wants, and we can treat people in our country however we want. If that country doesn't like it, they can have a revolution/coup/etc and change the law- just like we here in America can. I'm against social imperialism. Just cause you don't like it, doens't make us right and them wrong. I think it's horrible that event happened. Am I going to do anything about it- nope. Why? CAUSE IT ISN'T MY COUNTRY AND I WILL NOT FORCE THEM TO DO WHAT I THINK IS RIGHT. Such a ridiculous belief. You act as if there is some grand dogma protecting the rights of nations and national governments to do as they please regardless of individual rights. You say that no one should have any say outside of his nation. Why should anyone have any say outside of his own province? Outside of his hometown? Outside of his own household? Why should anyone have any say on anything other than his personal actions? This is the problem with cultural relativism. There may sometimes be gray areas between right and wrong, but in this case, it is clear that the Taliban are firmly in the wrong. Does that justify use of force? Perhaps not. But the reasons against use of force definitely wouldn't rely on as silly or ignorant an argument as "CAUSE IT ISN'T MY COUNTRY". You couldn't be more wrong. The people choose their government. The government is the people. PEOPLE run and operate the government. If it was bad they would over throw it, or leave. There are no walls on their border they can walk out. They choose to live under those laws, and they have the right to do so. The fact that your trying to push your ideals of right and wrong on others countries is sickening. I mean that truly. It is beyond despicable. How dare you call yourself the moral right in the universe. Humans are FREE and independent. We are not limbs of one being. Your imperialistic values are the problem with the world today. People like you are why we will never have a lasting peace and prosperity. If I don't like how things are done in my country, USA- I can always leave. Your trying to push 1 WORLD law- which just so happens to be YOUR LAW. How would you like it if they were the ones who came to your country and talked about how vile you were, how wrong you were. How would you like it if they pushed their beliefs on you? I will continue to push for FREEDOM. You can continue to be an imperialist if you want, you have your right to an opinion and unlike you I respect your right to an opinion and ur right to leave under whatever laws you think are 'right'. I'm sure the 17 murdered in this case are plenty happy with their freedom. Do not on one hand speak about freedom and how you think these people should be free to do as they wish and then so quickly dismiss the freedoms of the murdered who simply danced. Where is their freedom? If they wanted to dance they shouldn't of done it where they did, again if they didn't like the law- get it changed, or leave the country. Freedom doens't work with stupid people. Either A) They knew the law and choose to break it. or B) They were ignorant of the law and they have my pity. I hold people accountable for their choices. They choose to live there. They choose to live under those laws. They choose to risk death. They died. I see no problem here. Had they been Americans, in America- I would have a polar opposite position on this issue.
Most embyros don't yet possess the skills required to shift to the womb of a woman in another country. I feel their failure to choose the country of their birth shouldn't be held against them.
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On August 29 2012 03:40 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2012 03:37 SayGen wrote:On August 29 2012 03:29 Elsid wrote:On August 29 2012 03:25 SayGen wrote:On August 29 2012 03:08 Warlock40 wrote:On August 29 2012 02:52 SayGen wrote:On August 29 2012 01:44 MiQ wrote:On August 29 2012 01:37 SayGen wrote:On August 29 2012 01:07 ddrddrddrddr wrote:On August 29 2012 00:17 MiQ wrote:
Wow are you fuckign kidding me?? People get beheaded for dancing and singing?! Women included?! Fucking barbaric pieces of shit. Unbelievable. They really are the bottom of the shit barrel of humanity. Women included? What do you mean by that? It's better to behead men than women? It was a sexist comment. Though I'm sure he'll claim chivalry, we both know it was discrimination. No sex is worth saving over the other. Woman and children 1st means little in a world of equality. So you label me as sexist yet go out of your way to say we shouldn't judge other countries and cultures that treat their own people like shit. Yeah okay, keep on spreading your wise words of wisdom. Stupid double standard bullshit. I don't label you anything. I call it like I see it. You made a sexist comment that put one sex over the other. That is not equal. No man is better than any woman and vice versa according to 'equality'. you do know what the "=" symbol means right? That country can treat it's people however it wants, and we can treat people in our country however we want. If that country doesn't like it, they can have a revolution/coup/etc and change the law- just like we here in America can. I'm against social imperialism. Just cause you don't like it, doens't make us right and them wrong. I think it's horrible that event happened. Am I going to do anything about it- nope. Why? CAUSE IT ISN'T MY COUNTRY AND I WILL NOT FORCE THEM TO DO WHAT I THINK IS RIGHT. Such a ridiculous belief. You act as if there is some grand dogma protecting the rights of nations and national governments to do as they please regardless of individual rights. You say that no one should have any say outside of his nation. Why should anyone have any say outside of his own province? Outside of his hometown? Outside of his own household? Why should anyone have any say on anything other than his personal actions? This is the problem with cultural relativism. There may sometimes be gray areas between right and wrong, but in this case, it is clear that the Taliban are firmly in the wrong. Does that justify use of force? Perhaps not. But the reasons against use of force definitely wouldn't rely on as silly or ignorant an argument as "CAUSE IT ISN'T MY COUNTRY". You couldn't be more wrong. The people choose their government. The government is the people. PEOPLE run and operate the government. If it was bad they would over throw it, or leave. There are no walls on their border they can walk out. They choose to live under those laws, and they have the right to do so. The fact that your trying to push your ideals of right and wrong on others countries is sickening. I mean that truly. It is beyond despicable. How dare you call yourself the moral right in the universe. Humans are FREE and independent. We are not limbs of one being. Your imperialistic values are the problem with the world today. People like you are why we will never have a lasting peace and prosperity. If I don't like how things are done in my country, USA- I can always leave. Your trying to push 1 WORLD law- which just so happens to be YOUR LAW. How would you like it if they were the ones who came to your country and talked about how vile you were, how wrong you were. How would you like it if they pushed their beliefs on you? I will continue to push for FREEDOM. You can continue to be an imperialist if you want, you have your right to an opinion and unlike you I respect your right to an opinion and ur right to leave under whatever laws you think are 'right'. I'm sure the 17 murdered in this case are plenty happy with their freedom. Do not on one hand speak about freedom and how you think these people should be free to do as they wish and then so quickly dismiss the freedoms of the murdered who simply danced. Where is their freedom? If they wanted to dance they shouldn't of done it where they did, again if they didn't like the law- get it changed, or leave the country. Freedom doens't work with stupid people. Either A) They knew the law and choose to break it. or B) They were ignorant of the law and they have my pity. I hold people accountable for their choices. They choose to live there. They choose to live under those laws. They choose to risk death. They died. I see no problem here. Had they been Americans, in America- I would have a polar opposite position on this issue. Most embyros don't yet possess the skills required to shift to the womb of a woman in another country. I feel their failure to choose the country of their birth shouldn't be held against them.
Your remarks only hold value if they are being forced to reside in their country agaisnt their will and lack the means to escape.
Even if the above sentence is true- they still have the option to change the law/ overthrow the government.
Again (for I tihnk the 4th time) If you don't like it leave.
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Ah yes, a place where dancing and music are worse crimes than murder and mutilation. You have to see their side of it, flailing limbs back and forth in rhythm is worse than literally flailing limbs of dead people. I don't know why though.
So why is dancing even considered a crime? I thought the Muslim religion was an off-shoot from the Christian religion which is an off-shoot from the Jewish religion, which I am not sure how that came about but whatever, and in the Christian religion, Jesus (who the Muslims view only as a prophet) is known as the "Lord of the Dance."
If anyone can enlighten me as to why it is hated in the Muslim culture I would be almost ecstatic from the new information. Ok... so not ecstatic, but happy to have learned something new. 
Holy crap, just read the someone said, that it was the people's fault for dancing and risking death. HOLY CRAP! The penalty for DANCING shouldn't be DEATH. DANCING!=DEATH! Death is like at least 4 magnitudes higher, that is 1x10^4 times greater, than dancing.  Don't kill me for dancing... What about my dog... It sometimes dances... Are you going to kill my dog Please don't kill my dog.
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On August 29 2012 03:43 SayGen wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2012 03:40 KwarK wrote:On August 29 2012 03:37 SayGen wrote:On August 29 2012 03:29 Elsid wrote:On August 29 2012 03:25 SayGen wrote:On August 29 2012 03:08 Warlock40 wrote:On August 29 2012 02:52 SayGen wrote:On August 29 2012 01:44 MiQ wrote:On August 29 2012 01:37 SayGen wrote:On August 29 2012 01:07 ddrddrddrddr wrote:
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Women included? What do you mean by that? It's better to behead men than women? It was a sexist comment. Though I'm sure he'll claim chivalry, we both know it was discrimination. No sex is worth saving over the other. Woman and children 1st means little in a world of equality. So you label me as sexist yet go out of your way to say we shouldn't judge other countries and cultures that treat their own people like shit. Yeah okay, keep on spreading your wise words of wisdom. Stupid double standard bullshit. I don't label you anything. I call it like I see it. You made a sexist comment that put one sex over the other. That is not equal. No man is better than any woman and vice versa according to 'equality'. you do know what the "=" symbol means right? That country can treat it's people however it wants, and we can treat people in our country however we want. If that country doesn't like it, they can have a revolution/coup/etc and change the law- just like we here in America can. I'm against social imperialism. Just cause you don't like it, doens't make us right and them wrong. I think it's horrible that event happened. Am I going to do anything about it- nope. Why? CAUSE IT ISN'T MY COUNTRY AND I WILL NOT FORCE THEM TO DO WHAT I THINK IS RIGHT. Such a ridiculous belief. You act as if there is some grand dogma protecting the rights of nations and national governments to do as they please regardless of individual rights. You say that no one should have any say outside of his nation. Why should anyone have any say outside of his own province? Outside of his hometown? Outside of his own household? Why should anyone have any say on anything other than his personal actions? This is the problem with cultural relativism. There may sometimes be gray areas between right and wrong, but in this case, it is clear that the Taliban are firmly in the wrong. Does that justify use of force? Perhaps not. But the reasons against use of force definitely wouldn't rely on as silly or ignorant an argument as "CAUSE IT ISN'T MY COUNTRY". You couldn't be more wrong. The people choose their government. The government is the people. PEOPLE run and operate the government. If it was bad they would over throw it, or leave. There are no walls on their border they can walk out. They choose to live under those laws, and they have the right to do so. The fact that your trying to push your ideals of right and wrong on others countries is sickening. I mean that truly. It is beyond despicable. How dare you call yourself the moral right in the universe. Humans are FREE and independent. We are not limbs of one being. Your imperialistic values are the problem with the world today. People like you are why we will never have a lasting peace and prosperity. If I don't like how things are done in my country, USA- I can always leave. Your trying to push 1 WORLD law- which just so happens to be YOUR LAW. How would you like it if they were the ones who came to your country and talked about how vile you were, how wrong you were. How would you like it if they pushed their beliefs on you? I will continue to push for FREEDOM. You can continue to be an imperialist if you want, you have your right to an opinion and unlike you I respect your right to an opinion and ur right to leave under whatever laws you think are 'right'. I'm sure the 17 murdered in this case are plenty happy with their freedom. Do not on one hand speak about freedom and how you think these people should be free to do as they wish and then so quickly dismiss the freedoms of the murdered who simply danced. Where is their freedom? If they wanted to dance they shouldn't of done it where they did, again if they didn't like the law- get it changed, or leave the country. Freedom doens't work with stupid people. Either A) They knew the law and choose to break it. or B) They were ignorant of the law and they have my pity. I hold people accountable for their choices. They choose to live there. They choose to live under those laws. They choose to risk death. They died. I see no problem here. Had they been Americans, in America- I would have a polar opposite position on this issue. Most embyros don't yet possess the skills required to shift to the womb of a woman in another country. I feel their failure to choose the country of their birth shouldn't be held against them. Your remarks only hold value if they are being forced to reside in their country agaisnt their will and lack the means to escape. Even if the above sentence is true- they still have the option to change the law/ overthrow the government. Again (for I tihnk the 4th time) If you don't like it leave.
EDIT: I would add that if a child (under the age of accountability) were killed for dancing I would feel sorry for the child.
Though I would still blame the parents for lack of parenting skills. If you know dancing is bad and you let your child dance.... the person to blame is the parent, not the governments.
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On August 29 2012 03:37 SayGen wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2012 03:29 Elsid wrote:On August 29 2012 03:25 SayGen wrote:On August 29 2012 03:08 Warlock40 wrote:On August 29 2012 02:52 SayGen wrote:On August 29 2012 01:44 MiQ wrote:On August 29 2012 01:37 SayGen wrote:On August 29 2012 01:07 ddrddrddrddr wrote:On August 29 2012 00:17 MiQ wrote:
Wow are you fuckign kidding me?? People get beheaded for dancing and singing?! Women included?! Fucking barbaric pieces of shit. Unbelievable. They really are the bottom of the shit barrel of humanity. Women included? What do you mean by that? It's better to behead men than women? It was a sexist comment. Though I'm sure he'll claim chivalry, we both know it was discrimination. No sex is worth saving over the other. Woman and children 1st means little in a world of equality. So you label me as sexist yet go out of your way to say we shouldn't judge other countries and cultures that treat their own people like shit. Yeah okay, keep on spreading your wise words of wisdom. Stupid double standard bullshit. I don't label you anything. I call it like I see it. You made a sexist comment that put one sex over the other. That is not equal. No man is better than any woman and vice versa according to 'equality'. you do know what the "=" symbol means right? That country can treat it's people however it wants, and we can treat people in our country however we want. If that country doesn't like it, they can have a revolution/coup/etc and change the law- just like we here in America can. I'm against social imperialism. Just cause you don't like it, doens't make us right and them wrong. I think it's horrible that event happened. Am I going to do anything about it- nope. Why? CAUSE IT ISN'T MY COUNTRY AND I WILL NOT FORCE THEM TO DO WHAT I THINK IS RIGHT. Such a ridiculous belief. You act as if there is some grand dogma protecting the rights of nations and national governments to do as they please regardless of individual rights. You say that no one should have any say outside of his nation. Why should anyone have any say outside of his own province? Outside of his hometown? Outside of his own household? Why should anyone have any say on anything other than his personal actions? This is the problem with cultural relativism. There may sometimes be gray areas between right and wrong, but in this case, it is clear that the Taliban are firmly in the wrong. Does that justify use of force? Perhaps not. But the reasons against use of force definitely wouldn't rely on as silly or ignorant an argument as "CAUSE IT ISN'T MY COUNTRY". You couldn't be more wrong. The people choose their government. The government is the people. PEOPLE run and operate the government. If it was bad they would over throw it, or leave. There are no walls on their border they can walk out. They choose to live under those laws, and they have the right to do so. The fact that your trying to push your ideals of right and wrong on others countries is sickening. I mean that truly. It is beyond despicable. How dare you call yourself the moral right in the universe. Humans are FREE and independent. We are not limbs of one being. Your imperialistic values are the problem with the world today. People like you are why we will never have a lasting peace and prosperity. If I don't like how things are done in my country, USA- I can always leave. Your trying to push 1 WORLD law- which just so happens to be YOUR LAW. How would you like it if they were the ones who came to your country and talked about how vile you were, how wrong you were. How would you like it if they pushed their beliefs on you? I will continue to push for FREEDOM. You can continue to be an imperialist if you want, you have your right to an opinion and unlike you I respect your right to an opinion and ur right to leave under whatever laws you think are 'right'. I'm sure the 17 murdered in this case are plenty happy with their freedom. Do not on one hand speak about freedom and how you think these people should be free to do as they wish and then so quickly dismiss the freedoms of the murdered who simply danced. Where is their freedom? If they wanted to dance they shouldn't of done it where they did, again if they didn't like the law- get it changed, or leave the country. Freedom doens't work with stupid people. Either A) They knew the law and choose to break it. or B) They were ignorant of the law and they have my pity. I hold people accountable for their choices. They choose to live there. They choose to live under those laws. They choose to risk death. They died. I see no problem here. Had they been Americans, in America- I would have a polar opposite position on this issue. PS: Great political skills dodging the questions that were asked.
You're hopeless.
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The thing is: people in another part of the world (not US citizens) hurt each other for reasons that are stupid. Is it our responsibility to make things right?
Put another way: the cost of killing someone in Afghanistan runs over a half million bucks per kill (ordnance, fuel, hourly pay of all involved personnel.) Is it our responsibility to be spending that amount of money to punish some ax maniacs 12 time zones from the United States? Remember that these ax maniacs are not the same ones that caused 9/11; Bin Laden is dead already.
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Being a Taliban is tough life. Having a ban on fun is hardcore.
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On August 29 2012 03:37 SayGen wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2012 03:29 Elsid wrote:On August 29 2012 03:25 SayGen wrote:On August 29 2012 03:08 Warlock40 wrote:On August 29 2012 02:52 SayGen wrote:On August 29 2012 01:44 MiQ wrote:On August 29 2012 01:37 SayGen wrote:On August 29 2012 01:07 ddrddrddrddr wrote:On August 29 2012 00:17 MiQ wrote:
Wow are you fuckign kidding me?? People get beheaded for dancing and singing?! Women included?! Fucking barbaric pieces of shit. Unbelievable. They really are the bottom of the shit barrel of humanity. Women included? What do you mean by that? It's better to behead men than women? It was a sexist comment. Though I'm sure he'll claim chivalry, we both know it was discrimination. No sex is worth saving over the other. Woman and children 1st means little in a world of equality. So you label me as sexist yet go out of your way to say we shouldn't judge other countries and cultures that treat their own people like shit. Yeah okay, keep on spreading your wise words of wisdom. Stupid double standard bullshit. I don't label you anything. I call it like I see it. You made a sexist comment that put one sex over the other. That is not equal. No man is better than any woman and vice versa according to 'equality'. you do know what the "=" symbol means right? That country can treat it's people however it wants, and we can treat people in our country however we want. If that country doesn't like it, they can have a revolution/coup/etc and change the law- just like we here in America can. I'm against social imperialism. Just cause you don't like it, doens't make us right and them wrong. I think it's horrible that event happened. Am I going to do anything about it- nope. Why? CAUSE IT ISN'T MY COUNTRY AND I WILL NOT FORCE THEM TO DO WHAT I THINK IS RIGHT. Such a ridiculous belief. You act as if there is some grand dogma protecting the rights of nations and national governments to do as they please regardless of individual rights. You say that no one should have any say outside of his nation. Why should anyone have any say outside of his own province? Outside of his hometown? Outside of his own household? Why should anyone have any say on anything other than his personal actions? This is the problem with cultural relativism. There may sometimes be gray areas between right and wrong, but in this case, it is clear that the Taliban are firmly in the wrong. Does that justify use of force? Perhaps not. But the reasons against use of force definitely wouldn't rely on as silly or ignorant an argument as "CAUSE IT ISN'T MY COUNTRY". You couldn't be more wrong. The people choose their government. The government is the people. PEOPLE run and operate the government. If it was bad they would over throw it, or leave. There are no walls on their border they can walk out. They choose to live under those laws, and they have the right to do so. The fact that your trying to push your ideals of right and wrong on others countries is sickening. I mean that truly. It is beyond despicable. How dare you call yourself the moral right in the universe. Humans are FREE and independent. We are not limbs of one being. Your imperialistic values are the problem with the world today. People like you are why we will never have a lasting peace and prosperity. If I don't like how things are done in my country, USA- I can always leave. Your trying to push 1 WORLD law- which just so happens to be YOUR LAW. How would you like it if they were the ones who came to your country and talked about how vile you were, how wrong you were. How would you like it if they pushed their beliefs on you? I will continue to push for FREEDOM. You can continue to be an imperialist if you want, you have your right to an opinion and unlike you I respect your right to an opinion and ur right to leave under whatever laws you think are 'right'. I'm sure the 17 murdered in this case are plenty happy with their freedom. Do not on one hand speak about freedom and how you think these people should be free to do as they wish and then so quickly dismiss the freedoms of the murdered who simply danced. Where is their freedom? If they wanted to dance they shouldn't of done it where they did, again if they didn't like the law- get it changed, or leave the country. Freedom doens't work with stupid people. Either A) They knew the law and choose to break it. or B) They were ignorant of the law and they have my pity. I hold people accountable for their choices. They choose to live there. They choose to live under those laws. They choose to risk death. They died. I see no problem here. Had they been Americans, in America- I would have a polar opposite position on this issue. PS: Great political skills dodging the questions that were asked.
So on one hand you keep talking about freedom and then on the other you say "freedom doesn't work with stupid people" and that they should have just obeyed the law which doesn't foster freedom. Also it is not realistic to just say "Well move country" or "Then change government".
And to answer your question about if i'd like it if their cultural values were pushed on me, no I wouldn't do you know why? I wouldn't because their cultural values are threats to freedom, they limit and inhibit the freedom of individuals to do as they wish.
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Ok ok. I did kind of a joke post trying to learn info on the culture that dislikes dancing. But it turns out that people don't realize something basic. I've seen people say the word "law" here and not realize that there wasn't a law broken. It was a culture issue, a "de-facto" not a "de-lexo" that occurred. The dancers didn't break a law. They didn't break any law, not with the music not with the dancing. The only LAW broken was when they were killed. They are saying it was a MURDER not a punishment. Those that are saying the dancers broke the law and got what they deserve don't understand what the article is saying, or are just trying to troll people (they might be idiots, i'm not sure.( I'm not calling anyone an idiot. I am simply saying you might have spoken before reading.))
The murderers broke the law. The Dancers did not. Don't think this is the dancers fault. No one in the article says "the dancers broke the law" or any variation of that. It was a culture issue done by extremists, who chose murder as their way of sending a message, kind of extreme if you ask me. But that is probably why we call them extremists.
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On August 29 2012 03:40 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2012 03:37 SayGen wrote:On August 29 2012 03:29 Elsid wrote:On August 29 2012 03:25 SayGen wrote:On August 29 2012 03:08 Warlock40 wrote:On August 29 2012 02:52 SayGen wrote:On August 29 2012 01:44 MiQ wrote:On August 29 2012 01:37 SayGen wrote:On August 29 2012 01:07 ddrddrddrddr wrote:On August 29 2012 00:17 MiQ wrote:
Wow are you fuckign kidding me?? People get beheaded for dancing and singing?! Women included?! Fucking barbaric pieces of shit. Unbelievable. They really are the bottom of the shit barrel of humanity. Women included? What do you mean by that? It's better to behead men than women? It was a sexist comment. Though I'm sure he'll claim chivalry, we both know it was discrimination. No sex is worth saving over the other. Woman and children 1st means little in a world of equality. So you label me as sexist yet go out of your way to say we shouldn't judge other countries and cultures that treat their own people like shit. Yeah okay, keep on spreading your wise words of wisdom. Stupid double standard bullshit. I don't label you anything. I call it like I see it. You made a sexist comment that put one sex over the other. That is not equal. No man is better than any woman and vice versa according to 'equality'. you do know what the "=" symbol means right? That country can treat it's people however it wants, and we can treat people in our country however we want. If that country doesn't like it, they can have a revolution/coup/etc and change the law- just like we here in America can. I'm against social imperialism. Just cause you don't like it, doens't make us right and them wrong. I think it's horrible that event happened. Am I going to do anything about it- nope. Why? CAUSE IT ISN'T MY COUNTRY AND I WILL NOT FORCE THEM TO DO WHAT I THINK IS RIGHT. Such a ridiculous belief. You act as if there is some grand dogma protecting the rights of nations and national governments to do as they please regardless of individual rights. You say that no one should have any say outside of his nation. Why should anyone have any say outside of his own province? Outside of his hometown? Outside of his own household? Why should anyone have any say on anything other than his personal actions? This is the problem with cultural relativism. There may sometimes be gray areas between right and wrong, but in this case, it is clear that the Taliban are firmly in the wrong. Does that justify use of force? Perhaps not. But the reasons against use of force definitely wouldn't rely on as silly or ignorant an argument as "CAUSE IT ISN'T MY COUNTRY". You couldn't be more wrong. The people choose their government. The government is the people. PEOPLE run and operate the government. If it was bad they would over throw it, or leave. There are no walls on their border they can walk out. They choose to live under those laws, and they have the right to do so. The fact that your trying to push your ideals of right and wrong on others countries is sickening. I mean that truly. It is beyond despicable. How dare you call yourself the moral right in the universe. Humans are FREE and independent. We are not limbs of one being. Your imperialistic values are the problem with the world today. People like you are why we will never have a lasting peace and prosperity. If I don't like how things are done in my country, USA- I can always leave. Your trying to push 1 WORLD law- which just so happens to be YOUR LAW. How would you like it if they were the ones who came to your country and talked about how vile you were, how wrong you were. How would you like it if they pushed their beliefs on you? I will continue to push for FREEDOM. You can continue to be an imperialist if you want, you have your right to an opinion and unlike you I respect your right to an opinion and ur right to leave under whatever laws you think are 'right'. I'm sure the 17 murdered in this case are plenty happy with their freedom. Do not on one hand speak about freedom and how you think these people should be free to do as they wish and then so quickly dismiss the freedoms of the murdered who simply danced. Where is their freedom? If they wanted to dance they shouldn't of done it where they did, again if they didn't like the law- get it changed, or leave the country. Freedom doens't work with stupid people. Either A) They knew the law and choose to break it. or B) They were ignorant of the law and they have my pity. I hold people accountable for their choices. They choose to live there. They choose to live under those laws. They choose to risk death. They died. I see no problem here. Had they been Americans, in America- I would have a polar opposite position on this issue. Most embyros don't yet possess the skills required to shift to the womb of a woman in another country. I feel their failure to choose the country of their birth shouldn't be held against them. Correction, ALL embryo's. But this is an idiotic argument. They become conscious adults with free will and judgment. Staying there even if they have the choice and ability
to leave is a choice to be bound by the laws and practices of the land.
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