EPTLance Armstrong to lose Titles, Banned - Page 15
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mdb
Bulgaria4059 Posts
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Wyvernspur
Singapore10 Posts
On August 24 2012 19:16 Hanakurena wrote: He got caught as of today. It 10 people tesify they saw you commit a murder is that a witch hunt if they find you guilty? So 10 people is not enough? How many people do you need? Not to mention the blood values and whatever other new evidence they found but now can't present because Armstrong gave up. Then there's also the 1999 urine samples. That wasn't a real doping test formally. But in practice it was and there was EPO in his urine on I think 5 out of 6 samples. And as of today he kinda admitted himself he doped anyway. Problem is those 10 witnesses were probably dopers themselves who were offered deals to testify against Armstrong. And if the newer (2009 - 2010) blood test results were that conclusive why not simply publicize them and the relevant methodologies and demonstrate Armstrong's guilt once and for all? | ||
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Telcontar
United Kingdom16710 Posts
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Yorbon
Netherlands4272 Posts
On August 24 2012 12:10 TommyP wrote: Tip: read 'the trial' written by kafka.Well kids what did we learn?? We can cheat, make god knows how much money and all we have to do is give up our medals. Yay!! Could someone explain why he would give up his 7 titles and accept a ban if he didnt do it? Guilt is not quite the only reason to accept a verdict. | ||
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Gogleion
United States534 Posts
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Chicodog
Denmark154 Posts
There is only one reason why he is not going to show up in court - he knows he is going to lose because the evidence exists, and if he doesnt show he will only lose the titles and not money, Livestrong Foundation etc. | ||
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Abusion
United Kingdom184 Posts
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r00ty
Germany1057 Posts
I loved to watch TdF as a kid with my dad, because these guys did impossible feats of strength and endurance. After it turned out to be doping fueled from bottom to top i couldn't enjoy it anymore. This scandal ridden sport became a joke to me and shouldn't get the attention/money it is getting till it's clean, which may never be achieved. Or just let them dope and breed supercyclists whatever. In case of this sport i don't care anymore. Also, I don't just blame the cyclists. The organizers, team bosses and medical staff are as blind/corrupt/criminal. I feel pity for all amateurs and honest pro-cyclists. | ||
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RvB
Netherlands6261 Posts
On August 24 2012 20:22 Abusion wrote: From the sounds of it it's just too late now. Stripping him of his titles 7 years after them is way too long don't you think? I agree take them away when he's active or don't do it at all. I am sure if you go test the samples of the athletes from 10 years back you will find shit in all of them. | ||
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MVega
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WniO
United States2706 Posts
On August 24 2012 12:11 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Looks like he never did anything wrong and passed every drug test ever given to him, and now he's like "stfu and gtfo and leave me the hell alone." So they should probably do that. there are ways to get around those things - see mlb. | ||
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Simsallabin
Nepal216 Posts
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Chicodog
Denmark154 Posts
On August 24 2012 20:22 Abusion wrote: From the sounds of it it's just too late now. Stripping him of his titles 7 years after them is way too long don't you think? Bjarne Riis won in 1996 and was just recently forced to admit in order to avoid prosecution. Alberto Contador got his title taken more than a year after the race was over. How do think those people, who know that Lance Armstrong cheated as well, would feel if they just let him get away with his 7 victories? | ||
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Fenrax
United States5018 Posts
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gTank
Austria2601 Posts
On August 24 2012 20:31 Fenrax wrote: Armstrong was obviously doped. On top of the indications and evidences the fact that he has regularly beaten heavy dopers like Ullrich and Pantani speaks for itself. I can feel for his fans though, I was in denial about Ullrich's doping for too long, too. Just accept reality, nothing but a dirty cheater who gets some of what he deserves. A shame that he can keep the money. What evidence? And because someone is faster than a guy that dopes, it doesn't mean he doped himself. There is no positive test and he still gets accused guilty. This sport is a farce, nothing more. Even wrestling is closer to the truth than cycling these days... | ||
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CaptainCrush
United States785 Posts
On August 24 2012 20:31 Fenrax wrote: Armstrong was obviously doped. On top of the indications and evidences the fact that he has regularly beaten heavy dopers like Ullrich and Pantani speaks for itself. I can feel for his fans though, I was in denial about Ullrich's doping for too long, too. Just accept reality, nothing but a dirty cheater who gets some of what he deserves. A shame that he can keep the money. People like you are the reason he is losing his medals. Why can't he simply be a genetic freak like some other professional athletes in other sports? There is no evidence, he passed all his drug tests while competing. And just because he beats other cheaters is not enough to brand him a cheater for the rest of his life.... | ||
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Grumbels
Netherlands7031 Posts
On August 24 2012 20:39 gTank wrote: What evidence? And because someone is faster than a guy that dopes, it doesn't mean he doped himself. There is no positive test and he still gets accused guilty. This sport is a farce, nothing more. Even wrestling is closer to the truth than cycling these days... 1. positive tests 2. blood data consistent with blood doping and nothing else 3. accusations and witness reports of former team mates 4. his inhuman riding times 5. him beating a field of people that all doped 6. his sudden improvement only consistent with doping 7. his association with doping doctor Ferrari, or with other people involved in doping 8. apparently he is willing to part with 7 tour titles because he's tired of fighting back? 9. he was never caught before, to be sure, but there were enough loopholes to make the testing regime a joke and very easy to fool (as detailed by multiple experts and former team mates) absence of positive tests does not mean you are innocent 10. a riding and preparation style (everything for the tour) is associated with doping use 11. he had highly elevated testosterone values early in his career, only consistent with steroid use but sure, it's a witch hunt... | ||
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rabidch
United States20289 Posts
On August 24 2012 20:31 Fenrax wrote: Armstrong was obviously doped. On top of the indications and evidences the fact that he has regularly beaten heavy dopers like Ullrich and Pantani speaks for itself. I can feel for his fans though, I was in denial about Ullrich's doping for too long, too. Just accept reality, nothing but a dirty cheater who gets some of what he deserves. A shame that he can keep the money. Exactly. It's really a pity so many sports have come down to this. | ||
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Nekovivie
United Kingdom2599 Posts
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divito
Canada1213 Posts
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