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On July 07 2012 01:35 Sorkoas wrote:
I don't see the problem. Whales have a lot of meat = protein. Asians in general don't eat enough food with complete protein with all essential amino acids the body needs.
What did I miss with my thought process?
"I don't see the problem.Sorkoas dog have a lot of meat = protein. Asians in general don't eat enough food with complete protein with all essential amino acids the body needs.
What did I miss with my thought process?"
or
"I don't see the problem. Jews(americans are fat) have a lot of meat = protein. Asians in general don't eat enough food with complete protein with all essential amino acids the body needs.
What did I miss with my thought process?"
you missed your complete racist behaviour
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On July 06 2012 20:53 AngryMag wrote:
I don't see a problem with whale hunting in small numbers. I find it much more troublesome that we eat stupid amounts of tuna, which will probably be extinct long before whales as whales are the poster boys for many protection groups.
It's not one or the other, they both need to be protected. Hunting whales in small numbers may not seem bad, but they don't have the benefit of laying millions of eggs like Tuna (naturally) and are very few to begin with, so you cannot compare the two.
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On July 07 2012 01:47 makaron wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2012 01:35 Sorkoas wrote:
I don't see the problem. Whales have a lot of meat = protein. Asians in general don't eat enough food with complete protein with all essential amino acids the body needs.
What did I miss with my thought process? "I don't see the problem.Sorkoas dog have a lot of meat = protein. Asians in general don't eat enough food with complete protein with all essential amino acids the body needs. What did I miss with my thought process?" or "I don't see the problem. Jews(americans are fat) have a lot of meat = protein. Asians in general don't eat enough food with complete protein with all essential amino acids the body needs. What did I miss with my thought process?"
I don't see how whaling is in any way comparable to cannibalism. Maybe I missed something.
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On July 07 2012 00:31 Azarkon wrote:
From the dawn of history, humans have been a driving factor in species extinction and genetic change among animals. We have domesticated a huge variety of animals, driven others to extinction, and converted huge swaths of the earth to cities, suburbs, and irrigated fields. This has led to a great reduction in biodiversity, but it has not led to our extinction, nor has it led to the breakdown of the earth's ecosystem. While this is not a blanket argument for doing whatever we want with the environment, it is to say that life on earth has greater resiliency than a lot of environmentalists want us to believe, and that modifying the environment in a way that benefits humans, benefits humans.
Killing whales does not have the same degree of benefit, but at the same time, when done in a regulated manner that controls for how slowly whales reproduce, it also does not have the same degree of harm. For example, whale hunting, due its need to target and track whales, is not vulnerable to incidental catches of endangered species, while our commercial fishing practices are. On the other hand, whale hunting has economic benefits for the countries that want to engage in it, and provides jobs where otherwise they don't exist. In that, there are practical benefits to small groups of people, and ideologically speaking, the spirit of Western law is to grant freedom where it is able to be granted, and to respect sovereignty where it is able to be respected. To outlaw whale hunting internationally is a perilous step towards the tyranny of conformity, which stifles the freedom of individuals and the sovereignty of countries.
What do you say to that?
I just wanted to chip in. I think the fact is we don't know what effect whale hunting of an endangered species will have, and that we ought to avoid taking any risks that could make the situation worse because its like gambling with our future (i.e. they are currently in the process of recovering based on their endangered status, I don't know but I would be afraid of any government's concept of "regulated" hunting for an endangered species. Its still dangerous and could lead to their extinction because its a precarious balance).
You're right to point out that species have gone extinct and we've survived, but as you recognize that's no reason to continue doing so if we can avoid it. We still don't know everything about how such an ecosystem works and what the consequences might be so its in our best interest to prevent doing things like this until we are, to do otherwise would be reckless.
There may be an economic benefit, but its obviously offset by unknown negative consequences and the loss of another whale that people want to continue to observe (people generally like biodiversity). I think you're being a little extreme in your rhetoric; all that's being asked for is for countries to stop whaling *endangered* species, nothing about stopping sustainable whale hunting. You can't sacrifice everything for jobs and economic growth, obviously there are some things that matter more and secondly there are probably millions of other ways to make money.
On July 07 2012 01:35 Sorkoas wrote:
I don't see the problem. Whales have a lot of meat = protein. Asians in general don't eat enough food with complete protein with all essential amino acids the body needs.
What did I miss with my thought process?
Some species are deeply tied to their local ecosystems, which in turn affects us as we rely on that ecosystem for food (among other things). If those species are removed, then there would likely be negative consequences. Therefore, we try to avoid those negative consequences!  . Don't forget, people also like biodiversity and want to maintain that.
But how will we eat food? Well, you can eat different types of food :D
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On July 07 2012 02:06 Magic_Mike wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2012 01:47 makaron wrote:On July 07 2012 01:35 Sorkoas wrote:
I don't see the problem. Whales have a lot of meat = protein. Asians in general don't eat enough food with complete protein with all essential amino acids the body needs.
What did I miss with my thought process? "I don't see the problem.Sorkoas dog have a lot of meat = protein. Asians in general don't eat enough food with complete protein with all essential amino acids the body needs. What did I miss with my thought process?" or "I don't see the problem. Jews(americans are fat) have a lot of meat = protein. Asians in general don't eat enough food with complete protein with all essential amino acids the body needs. What did I miss with my thought process?" I don't see how whaling is in any way comparable to cannibalism. Maybe I missed something.
in the past,before year 1833,Blacks in americas and europe we not considered equel human beings.so it was ok to hunt them,sold them and force them to do anythign you want.kill them,beat them cut them to shredes..what ever.
now,year 2012 animals in americas ,europe and all around the world are not consider equal to human beings.so it ok to hunt them,sold them and force them to do anythign you want.kill them,beat them cut them to shredes..what ever.
And no,i dont mean you cant eat a piece of meat.but be ...i allmost fear to sue such word...be wise.
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On July 07 2012 02:11 makaron wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2012 02:06 Magic_Mike wrote:On July 07 2012 01:47 makaron wrote:On July 07 2012 01:35 Sorkoas wrote:
I don't see the problem. Whales have a lot of meat = protein. Asians in general don't eat enough food with complete protein with all essential amino acids the body needs.
What did I miss with my thought process? "I don't see the problem.Sorkoas dog have a lot of meat = protein. Asians in general don't eat enough food with complete protein with all essential amino acids the body needs. What did I miss with my thought process?" or "I don't see the problem. Jews(americans are fat) have a lot of meat = protein. Asians in general don't eat enough food with complete protein with all essential amino acids the body needs. What did I miss with my thought process?" I don't see how whaling is in any way comparable to cannibalism. Maybe I missed something. in the past,before year 1833,Blacks in americas and europe we not considered equel human beings.so it was ok to hunt them,sold them and force them to do anythign you want.kill them,beat them cut them to shredes..what ever. now,year 2012 animals in americas ,europe and all around the world are not consider equal to human beings.so it ok to hunt them,sold them and force them to do anythign you want.kill them,beat them cut them to shredes..what ever. And no,i dont mean you cant eat a piece of meat.but be ...i allmost fear to sue such word...be wise.
I sort of see your point and I know you specifically say that you don't mean you can't eat meat but I can't see how you could mean anything else. Are you saying that all animals are equal in importance to humans or just whales specifically and why?
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Good on them. It's their waters. Let them do what they feel they need to do.
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On July 06 2012 20:00 Grackula wrote:I find asian mentality odd and dangerous. I'm pretty sure GOM hate those foreigners they want money from. Show nested quote +On July 06 2012 17:49 Bigtony wrote:On July 06 2012 17:18 Mstring wrote:On July 06 2012 17:13 Bigtony wrote:
You can make the case that "we don't need to eat any meat, just eat plants!!!!" but there are plenty of reasons to keep eating animals.
List five. give a reason not to. You don't need to kill an animal in order to survive.
"any such living thing other than a human being." -Dictionary.com's second definition of animal.
Yes, you do. If you want to live you have to kill something else that lives and eat it. This is the way life works. Sure, you might have less empathy for plants and bug because we don't share as many of their characteristics. But they're just as much alive as you and me.
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On July 07 2012 02:32 Uncultured wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2012 20:00 Grackula wrote:I find asian mentality odd and dangerous. I'm pretty sure GOM hate those foreigners they want money from. On July 06 2012 17:49 Bigtony wrote:On July 06 2012 17:18 Mstring wrote:On July 06 2012 17:13 Bigtony wrote:
You can make the case that "we don't need to eat any meat, just eat plants!!!!" but there are plenty of reasons to keep eating animals.
List five. give a reason not to. You don't need to kill an animal in order to survive. "any such living thing other than a human being." -Dictionary.com's second definition of animal. Yes, you do. If you want to live you have to kill something else that lives and eat it. This is the way life works. Sure, you might have less empathy for plants and bug because we don't share as many of their characteristics. But they're just as much alive as you and me.
Time to get a new dictionary mate.
Edit: Try the first definition instead.
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On July 07 2012 02:42 Arevall wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2012 02:32 Uncultured wrote:On July 06 2012 20:00 Grackula wrote:I find asian mentality odd and dangerous. I'm pretty sure GOM hate those foreigners they want money from. On July 06 2012 17:49 Bigtony wrote:On July 06 2012 17:18 Mstring wrote:On July 06 2012 17:13 Bigtony wrote:
You can make the case that "we don't need to eat any meat, just eat plants!!!!" but there are plenty of reasons to keep eating animals.
List five. give a reason not to. You don't need to kill an animal in order to survive. "any such living thing other than a human being." -Dictionary.com's second definition of animal. Yes, you do. If you want to live you have to kill something else that lives and eat it. This is the way life works. Sure, you might have less empathy for plants and bug because we don't share as many of their characteristics. But they're just as much alive as you and me. Time to get a new dictionary mate. Edit: Try the first definition instead.
You don't have to eat meat to survive isn't a reason not to eat meat.
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On July 07 2012 01:47 makaron wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2012 01:35 Sorkoas wrote:
I don't see the problem. Whales have a lot of meat = protein. Asians in general don't eat enough food with complete protein with all essential amino acids the body needs.
What did I miss with my thought process? you missed your complete racist behaviour
You're pulling the racist card to defend whales? Come on, you can do way better than that. Maybe it was wrong of me to generalize like that but I thought it was well-known that these diatery issues do exist in Asia because a lot of people don't eat much else than rice and veggies.
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On July 07 2012 01:26 Smat wrote:
All you fools claiming that its hypocritical for westerners to criticize hunting whales are morons. The difference is that the fucking pigs and cows aren't going extinct, in fact there are more of them than ever. The whales are going extinct. I don't give a fuck when I watch whalers kill the whales and all the people on whale wars get all sad and start crying, thats actually halarious to me. I do give a fuck that 50 years from now I will only be able to see whales in nature books.
Maybe you should give a fuck about the damage that farming cows and pigs does to the environment which is much worse then eliminating a single species......Thinking, its a wonderful thing.
edit: I hate to come off snarky but your tone is a little irritating. Put a little more thought into your post and a little less confidence into your oppinions.
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I find it ridiculous that people can live with themselves after saying that humans aren't meant to eat meat. Well, we're not definitely meant to eat pills to make sure we get all nutricients with veg only diet... And saying killing animals is immoral? What the hell?
Anyway, beside the point.
There's far more endangered species than whales, especially the ones being hunted. >100k common mince whale with Norway hunting something between 500-1000 yearly.
Japan, in 16 years, has killed 19000 whales, mostly antarctic mince whales (16k).
Other countries aren't really significant.
If you want to save endangered animals, at least try to save one that needs saving.
If specie cannot take 1-2% loss each year, it would've become extinct ages ago.
On July 07 2012 03:13 AdamBanks wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2012 01:26 Smat wrote:
All you fools claiming that its hypocritical for westerners to criticize hunting whales are morons. The difference is that the fucking pigs and cows aren't going extinct, in fact there are more of them than ever. The whales are going extinct. I don't give a fuck when I watch whalers kill the whales and all the people on whale wars get all sad and start crying, thats actually halarious to me. I do give a fuck that 50 years from now I will only be able to see whales in nature books. Maybe you should give a fuck about the damage that farming cows and pigs does to the environment which is much worse then eliminating a single species......Thinking, its a wonderful thing. edit: I hate to come off snarky but your tone is a little irritating. Put a little more thought into your post and a little less confidence into your oppinions.
And maybe, just maybe, we can't all go back to stone age and live off the land so our planet stays green. How about you people would just realize that we need to eat and instead of trying to make us stop producing food they would start to think how those animals could be either changed (genetics) to be more environmental or make the farms able to control the emissions (Not sure if the right word) in a way that's not overly expensive.
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Seems sad, I'm glad there are people that are still trying to defend wildlife..
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I can't believe the ignorance of some in this thread.
Do you seriously believe killing whales is no problem?
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On July 07 2012 02:25 Uncultured wrote:
Good on them. It's their waters. Let them do what they feel they need to do.
pretty much this.
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On July 07 2012 02:52 Sorkoas wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2012 01:47 makaron wrote:On July 07 2012 01:35 Sorkoas wrote:
I don't see the problem. Whales have a lot of meat = protein. Asians in general don't eat enough food with complete protein with all essential amino acids the body needs.
What did I miss with my thought process? you missed your complete racist behaviour You're pulling the racist card to defend whales? Come on, you can do way better than that. Maybe it was wrong of me to generalize like that but I thought it was well-known that these diatery issues do exist in Asia because a lot of people don't eat much else than rice and veggies.
In west,lot of people have issues about eating too much meat,like cardiovascular problem,cancer problem ,gout and many more.So why dont we ship all that meat to asia?Or if you like killing so much,why dont we reduce human population,so they dont need so much meat?
But if you say your own kind is untouchable,but others can be killed and enslaved ,just becosue they are not your race and are lesser minds,then who you are if not racist?
On July 07 2012 02:25 Uncultured wrote:
Good on them. It's their waters. Let them do what they feel they need to do.
So what if i create law,that says your house and family is mine and i have enough tanks to enforce it?would you let me do whatever i wish?
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On July 07 2012 02:22 Magic_Mike wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2012 02:11 makaron wrote:On July 07 2012 02:06 Magic_Mike wrote:On July 07 2012 01:47 makaron wrote:On July 07 2012 01:35 Sorkoas wrote:
I don't see the problem. Whales have a lot of meat = protein. Asians in general don't eat enough food with complete protein with all essential amino acids the body needs.
What did I miss with my thought process? "I don't see the problem.Sorkoas dog have a lot of meat = protein. Asians in general don't eat enough food with complete protein with all essential amino acids the body needs. What did I miss with my thought process?" or "I don't see the problem. Jews(americans are fat) have a lot of meat = protein. Asians in general don't eat enough food with complete protein with all essential amino acids the body needs. What did I miss with my thought process?" I don't see how whaling is in any way comparable to cannibalism. Maybe I missed something. in the past,before year 1833,Blacks in americas and europe we not considered equel human beings.so it was ok to hunt them,sold them and force them to do anythign you want.kill them,beat them cut them to shredes..what ever. now,year 2012 animals in americas ,europe and all around the world are not consider equal to human beings.so it ok to hunt them,sold them and force them to do anythign you want.kill them,beat them cut them to shredes..what ever. And no,i dont mean you cant eat a piece of meat.but be ...i allmost fear to sue such word...be wise. I sort of see your point and I know you specifically say that you don't mean you can't eat meat but I can't see how you could mean anything else. Are you saying that all animals are equal in importance to humans or just whales specifically and why?
I would dare to say that every animal is equal to human but Yes,every animal is important for this planet.ussualy the most disgusting things are the most important ones :mashrooms,bacteria and bugs.
why?Well if you believe in karma,then every being have soul that must attune with something.so killing them could couse your own bad karma
if you believe in God,then " God said, Let us make man in our image, like us: and let him have rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the air and over the cattle and over all the earth and over every living thing which goes flat on the earth."
Wise and good ruler nurture and care about its subjects.And basicaly,your are killing gods creation,perfect creation.
If you believe in science,then every piece of ecosystem is linked together,every animal depends on other.and we dont exactly know what couse what.We tried to create biotope,but it started to die out after while(Biosphere 2).and Maybe, whales are much more inteligent then we are.after all they have big brain.
If you believe..well if you dont beleive at all,then your motto should be:"We dont own planet,we borrow it from our childrens"You know
Imagine therese is song plaing on Iphone 20 and there is line.:
"I heard an eagle cried."And your son ask:
"Dad?what is an eagle?And....cried?"
or imagine there are extraterrestials who,after exploring whole universe,planet after planet,rocky,barren,and gas gianst,have found one green planet.Earth.And after they land perhaps you will show them some picture.water.trees,animals.ET ask"
"What is this?"
"It is grey whale."
"Such beautifull creature.May i see it?" What would you answer
But if you want to know how much dollars you can make and how many jobs can be created if you protect whales..i dont know.probably 0
You got two gifts that no other animal seems to have.Brain,capable of logical though and heart cappable of such emotions as love,compassion,sence of art...is killing whales and hoarding money right way to use it?
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On July 07 2012 05:29 makaron wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2012 02:22 Magic_Mike wrote:On July 07 2012 02:11 makaron wrote:On July 07 2012 02:06 Magic_Mike wrote:On July 07 2012 01:47 makaron wrote:On July 07 2012 01:35 Sorkoas wrote:
I don't see the problem. Whales have a lot of meat = protein. Asians in general don't eat enough food with complete protein with all essential amino acids the body needs.
What did I miss with my thought process? "I don't see the problem.Sorkoas dog have a lot of meat = protein. Asians in general don't eat enough food with complete protein with all essential amino acids the body needs. What did I miss with my thought process?" or "I don't see the problem. Jews(americans are fat) have a lot of meat = protein. Asians in general don't eat enough food with complete protein with all essential amino acids the body needs. What did I miss with my thought process?" I don't see how whaling is in any way comparable to cannibalism. Maybe I missed something. in the past,before year 1833,Blacks in americas and europe we not considered equel human beings.so it was ok to hunt them,sold them and force them to do anythign you want.kill them,beat them cut them to shredes..what ever. now,year 2012 animals in americas ,europe and all around the world are not consider equal to human beings.so it ok to hunt them,sold them and force them to do anythign you want.kill them,beat them cut them to shredes..what ever. And no,i dont mean you cant eat a piece of meat.but be ...i allmost fear to sue such word...be wise. I sort of see your point and I know you specifically say that you don't mean you can't eat meat but I can't see how you could mean anything else. Are you saying that all animals are equal in importance to humans or just whales specifically and why? I would dare to say that every animal is equal to human but Yes,every animal is important for this planet.ussualy the most disgusting things are the most important ones :mashrooms,bacteria and bugs. why?Well if you believe in karma,then every being have soul that must attune with something.so killing them could couse your own bad karma if you believe in God,then " God said, Let us make man in our image, like us: and let him have rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the air and over the cattle and over all the earth and over every living thing which goes flat on the earth." Wise and good ruler nurture and care about its subjects.And basicaly,your are killing gods creation,perfect creation. If you believe in science,then every piece of ecosystem is linked together,every animal depends on other.and we dont exactly know what couse what.We tried to create biotope,but it started to die out after while(Biosphere 2).and Maybe, whales are much more inteligent then we are.after all they have big brain. If you believe..well if you dont beleive at all,then your motto should be:"We dont own planet,we borrow it from our childrens"You know Imagine therese is song plaing on Iphone 20 and there is line.: "I heard an eagle cried."And your son ask: "Dad?what is an eagle?And....cried?" or imagine there are extraterrestials who,after exploring whole universe,planet after planet,rocky,barren,and gas gianst,have found one green planet.Earth.And after they land perhaps you will show them some picture.water.trees,animals.ET ask" "What is this?" "It is grey whale." "Such beautifull creature.May i see it?" What would you answer But if you want to know how much dollars you can make and how many jobs can be created if you protect whales..i dont know.probably 0 You got two gifts that no other animal seems to have.Brain,capable of logical though and heart cappable of such emotions as love,compassion,sence of art...is killing whales and hoarding money right way to use it?
i don't believe in karma so that doesn't apply. i do believe in God but Jesus ate fish and meat so that means im all good. i guess i "believe in science" but i don't think this idea of a lynchpin species has ever been proven, nor has it been proven that whales are a lynchpin even if lynchpin species' do exist. whales are not more intelligent than man, and big brain does not mean more intelligence... like at all. or do you think males are 1/3 times smarter than all females?
i don't own the planet but my kids do? okay well 1) i don't have kids, and 2) when i have kids ill use their whales to feed them, lol.
i dont know what the iphone thing is even about so im not gonna comment.
i would answer to the ET: they died out bro. we ate em. but have you seen our cows? they are beautiful and they taste amazing. then me and ET would go have a burger and a beer and laugh about it.
you could get a stupid tv show if you act like a dummy while you "protect" the whales.
killing whales seems no different than... an orca killing a whale. you know that orca's even kill people? so do dolphins.
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