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On October 18 2012 14:31 sunprince wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 14:22 frogrubdown wrote:On October 18 2012 14:17 sunprince wrote:On October 18 2012 13:49 farvacola wrote:On October 18 2012 13:41 sunprince wrote:On October 18 2012 12:23 Defacer wrote:On October 18 2012 12:14 xDaunt wrote:On October 18 2012 11:15 sam!zdat wrote:
this hermeneutics of sexism stuff is why I dislike identity politics. can't ever talk about anything constructive because people just wanna argue about who is and isn't a 'real' feminist, and usually trying to say you aren't sexist is taken as sure proof that you are.
That being said, structural inequality is a real problem. I just wish all this litmus BS wouldn't get in the way of dealing with actual problems Pfff, I revel in my quasi-misogynist tendencies. All men who have dated women have earned a right to such tendencies. LOL. So the single life is going that well, huh? Seriously though, if you want tips on how to get women to like you, take a look at Obama. Sticking up for Hilary the way Obama did wasn't just smooth, it probably made a bunch of lesbians second-guess themselves. Acting like Obama only attracts women if you have massive power, fame, and privlege. For those of us who don't benefit from those preselection effects, playing the nice guy/white knight/beta male is a great path to celibacy or cuckoldry. Or getting laid at College Democrat parties (the election of 2008 got 'em rowdayyy), but to each their own experience I guess. The (few) hot girls at college Democrat parties bang men who emulate Bill Clinton, not Obama. Even liberal women bang assholes like me, while using chipmunk-cheeked, bitch tittied, passive-aggressive manginas for emotional sponging and torturous ball-twisting friendships. Beta males who pedestalize women get nowhere, even with the women who ostensibly "hate" jerks and claim to want a "nice guy". On October 18 2012 13:49 farvacola wrote:
Why do people pretend gender relations are some one size fits all sort of game? If you can't rock the V, don't. But don't go hatin on those who do. It's not "hatin" to call bullshit on bad advice that would screw over any poor man naive enough to listen to it. On October 18 2012 14:02 frogrubdown wrote:On October 18 2012 13:41 sunprince wrote:On October 18 2012 12:23 Defacer wrote:On October 18 2012 12:14 xDaunt wrote:On October 18 2012 11:15 sam!zdat wrote:
this hermeneutics of sexism stuff is why I dislike identity politics. can't ever talk about anything constructive because people just wanna argue about who is and isn't a 'real' feminist, and usually trying to say you aren't sexist is taken as sure proof that you are.
That being said, structural inequality is a real problem. I just wish all this litmus BS wouldn't get in the way of dealing with actual problems Pfff, I revel in my quasi-misogynist tendencies. All men who have dated women have earned a right to such tendencies. LOL. So the single life is going that well, huh? Seriously though, if you want tips on how to get women to like you, take a look at Obama. Sticking up for Hilary the way Obama did wasn't just smooth, it probably made a bunch of lesbians second-guess themselves. Acting like Obama only attracts women if you have massive power, fame, and privlege. For those of us who don't benefit from those preselection effects, playing the nice guy/white knight/beta male is a great path to celibacy or cuckoldry. This isn't r/mensrights. I have no idea what you're getting at, or even what your point was if you meant r/seduction. Well it isn't that either (I probably would have said, "The PUA thread's been closed" if I wanted that angle). The two views have similar nonsense complaints about female preferences. I have no idea where you thought that I had any complaints about female preferences. I'm quite fond of them, in fact. My complaints are directed only towards the perpetuation of lies about said female preferences. Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 14:22 frogrubdown wrote:
I focused on r/mensrights because you also like to complain about feminists and equal pay. So should I tell you "This isn't r/feminism" because you like to perpetuate bullshit feminist myths?
No, you shouldn't tell me that because this isn't r/mensrights.
edit: But enough of that game.
If you think that structural inequality and implicit biases are myths then there isn't much I can do for you. If you're referring to some other "myth" I've peddled then you can point me to it.
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On October 18 2012 14:24 Souma wrote:
There's obviously a balance issue here. You'll be hard-pressed to find a great girlfriend if you're too nice. Likewise, it'll be pretty damn hard to find a nice, smart girl if you're just a giant douche.
I've never had any such problems since I became a misanthropic douche. Feel free to ask other giant douches for their personal experiences, I'm sure they'll mostly concur. Take a look at this article if you want to understand the science behind why this is the case.
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2nd Worst City in CA8938 Posts
On October 18 2012 14:34 sunprince wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 14:24 Souma wrote:
There's obviously a balance issue here. You'll be hard-pressed to find a great girlfriend if you're too nice. Likewise, it'll be pretty damn hard to find a nice, smart girl if you're just a giant douche. I've never had any such problems since I became a misanthropic douche. Feel free to ask other giant douches for their personal experiences, I'm sure they'll mostly concur. Take a look at this article if you want to understand the science behind why this is the case.
We may be disagreeing on what constitutes a nice, smart girlfriend though.
Little did you know I can't possibly lose this argument, because in my eyes a nice, smart woman would never go for a giant douche.
Game and set!
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On October 18 2012 14:32 frogrubdown wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 14:31 sunprince wrote:On October 18 2012 14:22 frogrubdown wrote:On October 18 2012 14:17 sunprince wrote:On October 18 2012 13:49 farvacola wrote:On October 18 2012 13:41 sunprince wrote:On October 18 2012 12:23 Defacer wrote:On October 18 2012 12:14 xDaunt wrote:On October 18 2012 11:15 sam!zdat wrote:
this hermeneutics of sexism stuff is why I dislike identity politics. can't ever talk about anything constructive because people just wanna argue about who is and isn't a 'real' feminist, and usually trying to say you aren't sexist is taken as sure proof that you are.
That being said, structural inequality is a real problem. I just wish all this litmus BS wouldn't get in the way of dealing with actual problems Pfff, I revel in my quasi-misogynist tendencies. All men who have dated women have earned a right to such tendencies. LOL. So the single life is going that well, huh? Seriously though, if you want tips on how to get women to like you, take a look at Obama. Sticking up for Hilary the way Obama did wasn't just smooth, it probably made a bunch of lesbians second-guess themselves. Acting like Obama only attracts women if you have massive power, fame, and privlege. For those of us who don't benefit from those preselection effects, playing the nice guy/white knight/beta male is a great path to celibacy or cuckoldry. Or getting laid at College Democrat parties (the election of 2008 got 'em rowdayyy), but to each their own experience I guess. The (few) hot girls at college Democrat parties bang men who emulate Bill Clinton, not Obama. Even liberal women bang assholes like me, while using chipmunk-cheeked, bitch tittied, passive-aggressive manginas for emotional sponging and torturous ball-twisting friendships. Beta males who pedestalize women get nowhere, even with the women who ostensibly "hate" jerks and claim to want a "nice guy". On October 18 2012 13:49 farvacola wrote:
Why do people pretend gender relations are some one size fits all sort of game? If you can't rock the V, don't. But don't go hatin on those who do. It's not "hatin" to call bullshit on bad advice that would screw over any poor man naive enough to listen to it. On October 18 2012 14:02 frogrubdown wrote:On October 18 2012 13:41 sunprince wrote:On October 18 2012 12:23 Defacer wrote:On October 18 2012 12:14 xDaunt wrote:On October 18 2012 11:15 sam!zdat wrote:
this hermeneutics of sexism stuff is why I dislike identity politics. can't ever talk about anything constructive because people just wanna argue about who is and isn't a 'real' feminist, and usually trying to say you aren't sexist is taken as sure proof that you are.
That being said, structural inequality is a real problem. I just wish all this litmus BS wouldn't get in the way of dealing with actual problems Pfff, I revel in my quasi-misogynist tendencies. All men who have dated women have earned a right to such tendencies. LOL. So the single life is going that well, huh? Seriously though, if you want tips on how to get women to like you, take a look at Obama. Sticking up for Hilary the way Obama did wasn't just smooth, it probably made a bunch of lesbians second-guess themselves. Acting like Obama only attracts women if you have massive power, fame, and privlege. For those of us who don't benefit from those preselection effects, playing the nice guy/white knight/beta male is a great path to celibacy or cuckoldry. This isn't r/mensrights. I have no idea what you're getting at, or even what your point was if you meant r/seduction. Well it isn't that either (I probably would have said, "The PUA thread's been closed" if I wanted that angle). The two views have similar nonsense complaints about female preferences. I have no idea where you thought that I had any complaints about female preferences. I'm quite fond of them, in fact. My complaints are directed only towards the perpetuation of lies about said female preferences. On October 18 2012 14:22 frogrubdown wrote:
I focused on r/mensrights because you also like to complain about feminists and equal pay. So should I tell you "This isn't r/feminism" because you like to perpetuate bullshit feminist myths? No, you shouldn't tell me that because this isn't r/mensrights.
So your implicit stance is that you're entitled to a monopoly on gender discourse. Thanks for confirming that you should be ignored.
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On October 18 2012 14:34 sunprince wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 14:24 Souma wrote:
There's obviously a balance issue here. You'll be hard-pressed to find a great girlfriend if you're too nice. Likewise, it'll be pretty damn hard to find a nice, smart girl if you're just a giant douche. I've never had any such problems since I became a misanthropic douche. Feel free to ask other giant douches for their personal experiences, I'm sure they'll mostly concur. Take a look at this article if you want to understand the science behind why this is the case.
Any article that turns small statistical changes in choice into "women do x" isn't a very good source of scientific information.
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On October 18 2012 14:37 sunprince wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 14:32 frogrubdown wrote:On October 18 2012 14:31 sunprince wrote:On October 18 2012 14:22 frogrubdown wrote:On October 18 2012 14:17 sunprince wrote:On October 18 2012 13:49 farvacola wrote:On October 18 2012 13:41 sunprince wrote:On October 18 2012 12:23 Defacer wrote:On October 18 2012 12:14 xDaunt wrote:On October 18 2012 11:15 sam!zdat wrote:
this hermeneutics of sexism stuff is why I dislike identity politics. can't ever talk about anything constructive because people just wanna argue about who is and isn't a 'real' feminist, and usually trying to say you aren't sexist is taken as sure proof that you are.
That being said, structural inequality is a real problem. I just wish all this litmus BS wouldn't get in the way of dealing with actual problems Pfff, I revel in my quasi-misogynist tendencies. All men who have dated women have earned a right to such tendencies. LOL. So the single life is going that well, huh? Seriously though, if you want tips on how to get women to like you, take a look at Obama. Sticking up for Hilary the way Obama did wasn't just smooth, it probably made a bunch of lesbians second-guess themselves. Acting like Obama only attracts women if you have massive power, fame, and privlege. For those of us who don't benefit from those preselection effects, playing the nice guy/white knight/beta male is a great path to celibacy or cuckoldry. Or getting laid at College Democrat parties (the election of 2008 got 'em rowdayyy), but to each their own experience I guess. The (few) hot girls at college Democrat parties bang men who emulate Bill Clinton, not Obama. Even liberal women bang assholes like me, while using chipmunk-cheeked, bitch tittied, passive-aggressive manginas for emotional sponging and torturous ball-twisting friendships. Beta males who pedestalize women get nowhere, even with the women who ostensibly "hate" jerks and claim to want a "nice guy". On October 18 2012 13:49 farvacola wrote:
Why do people pretend gender relations are some one size fits all sort of game? If you can't rock the V, don't. But don't go hatin on those who do. It's not "hatin" to call bullshit on bad advice that would screw over any poor man naive enough to listen to it. On October 18 2012 14:02 frogrubdown wrote:On October 18 2012 13:41 sunprince wrote:On October 18 2012 12:23 Defacer wrote:On October 18 2012 12:14 xDaunt wrote:On October 18 2012 11:15 sam!zdat wrote:
this hermeneutics of sexism stuff is why I dislike identity politics. can't ever talk about anything constructive because people just wanna argue about who is and isn't a 'real' feminist, and usually trying to say you aren't sexist is taken as sure proof that you are.
That being said, structural inequality is a real problem. I just wish all this litmus BS wouldn't get in the way of dealing with actual problems Pfff, I revel in my quasi-misogynist tendencies. All men who have dated women have earned a right to such tendencies. LOL. So the single life is going that well, huh? Seriously though, if you want tips on how to get women to like you, take a look at Obama. Sticking up for Hilary the way Obama did wasn't just smooth, it probably made a bunch of lesbians second-guess themselves. Acting like Obama only attracts women if you have massive power, fame, and privlege. For those of us who don't benefit from those preselection effects, playing the nice guy/white knight/beta male is a great path to celibacy or cuckoldry. This isn't r/mensrights. I have no idea what you're getting at, or even what your point was if you meant r/seduction. Well it isn't that either (I probably would have said, "The PUA thread's been closed" if I wanted that angle). The two views have similar nonsense complaints about female preferences. I have no idea where you thought that I had any complaints about female preferences. I'm quite fond of them, in fact. My complaints are directed only towards the perpetuation of lies about said female preferences. On October 18 2012 14:22 frogrubdown wrote:
I focused on r/mensrights because you also like to complain about feminists and equal pay. So should I tell you "This isn't r/feminism" because you like to perpetuate bullshit feminist myths? No, you shouldn't tell me that because this isn't r/mensrights. So your implicit stance is that you're entitled to a monopoly on gender discourse. Thanks for confirming that you should be ignored.
It's interesting that you managed to post this three minutes after my edited information. Try reloading the page before your posts.
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On October 18 2012 14:36 Souma wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 14:34 sunprince wrote:On October 18 2012 14:24 Souma wrote:
There's obviously a balance issue here. You'll be hard-pressed to find a great girlfriend if you're too nice. Likewise, it'll be pretty damn hard to find a nice, smart girl if you're just a giant douche. I've never had any such problems since I became a misanthropic douche. Feel free to ask other giant douches for their personal experiences, I'm sure they'll mostly concur. Take a look at this article if you want to understand the science behind why this is the case. We may be disagreeing on what constitutes a nice, smart girlfriend though.
The point I'm making is that science overwhelmingly indicates men with Dark Triad traits are nearly universally attractive to women, the same way that science indicates that women with youthful appearances, symmetrical faces, full breasts, full lips, and a low waist-hip ratio are nearly universally attractive to men.
On October 18 2012 14:36 Souma wrote:
Little did you know I can't possibly lose this argument, because in my eyes a nice, smart woman would never go for a giant douche.
Game and set!
Well, I can't argue with logic like that! 
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On October 18 2012 14:34 sunprince wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 14:24 Souma wrote:
There's obviously a balance issue here. You'll be hard-pressed to find a great girlfriend if you're too nice. Likewise, it'll be pretty damn hard to find a nice, smart girl if you're just a giant douche. I've never had any such problems since I became a misanthropic douche. Feel free to ask other giant douches for their personal experiences, I'm sure they'll mostly concur. Take a look at this article if you want to understand the science behind why this is the case.
This isn't wrong just overly simplistic
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On October 18 2012 14:37 frogrubdown wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 14:34 sunprince wrote:On October 18 2012 14:24 Souma wrote:
There's obviously a balance issue here. You'll be hard-pressed to find a great girlfriend if you're too nice. Likewise, it'll be pretty damn hard to find a nice, smart girl if you're just a giant douche. I've never had any such problems since I became a misanthropic douche. Feel free to ask other giant douches for their personal experiences, I'm sure they'll mostly concur. Take a look at this article if you want to understand the science behind why this is the case. Any article that turns small statistical changes in choice into "women do x" isn't a very good source of scientific information.
Please explain your position without resorting to a failure to understand generalizations and statistics.
On October 18 2012 14:43 sevencck wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 14:34 sunprince wrote:On October 18 2012 14:24 Souma wrote:
There's obviously a balance issue here. You'll be hard-pressed to find a great girlfriend if you're too nice. Likewise, it'll be pretty damn hard to find a nice, smart girl if you're just a giant douche. I've never had any such problems since I became a misanthropic douche. Feel free to ask other giant douches for their personal experiences, I'm sure they'll mostly concur. Take a look at this article if you want to understand the science behind why this is the case. This isn't wrong just overly simplistic
It's a useful generalization.
It would be similarly "overly simplistic" to say that men prefer women who are pretty. Would you take issue with that?
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Turns out some people are mechanists and some aren't. I think that sums this up nicely.
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Canada2068 Posts
On October 18 2012 14:45 sunprince wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 14:37 frogrubdown wrote:On October 18 2012 14:34 sunprince wrote:On October 18 2012 14:24 Souma wrote:
There's obviously a balance issue here. You'll be hard-pressed to find a great girlfriend if you're too nice. Likewise, it'll be pretty damn hard to find a nice, smart girl if you're just a giant douche. I've never had any such problems since I became a misanthropic douche. Feel free to ask other giant douches for their personal experiences, I'm sure they'll mostly concur. Take a look at this article if you want to understand the science behind why this is the case. Any article that turns small statistical changes in choice into "women do x" isn't a very good source of scientific information. Please explain your position without resorting to a failure to understand generalizations and statistics. Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 14:43 sevencck wrote:On October 18 2012 14:34 sunprince wrote:On October 18 2012 14:24 Souma wrote:
There's obviously a balance issue here. You'll be hard-pressed to find a great girlfriend if you're too nice. Likewise, it'll be pretty damn hard to find a nice, smart girl if you're just a giant douche. I've never had any such problems since I became a misanthropic douche. Feel free to ask other giant douches for their personal experiences, I'm sure they'll mostly concur. Take a look at this article if you want to understand the science behind why this is the case. This isn't wrong just overly simplistic It's a useful generalization. It would be similarly "overly simplistic" to say that men prefer women who are pretty. Would you take issue with that?
What people consider to be beautiful is largely influenced by culture. People from Japan have a different aesthetic of beauty from you, so your statement "men prefer women who are pretty" is extremely vague and overly simplistic when "pretty" isn't well-defined. Also to say "men prefer women who are pretty" means that you're ignoring any sort of balance between beauty and other desirable attributes like personality and intelligence. If you prefer a woman who's pretty but who is a complete idiot and who you can't converse with at all, then I'd say you have an overly simplistic view on this and your analogy is unsuccessful.
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On October 18 2012 14:45 sunprince wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 14:37 frogrubdown wrote:On October 18 2012 14:34 sunprince wrote:On October 18 2012 14:24 Souma wrote:
There's obviously a balance issue here. You'll be hard-pressed to find a great girlfriend if you're too nice. Likewise, it'll be pretty damn hard to find a nice, smart girl if you're just a giant douche. I've never had any such problems since I became a misanthropic douche. Feel free to ask other giant douches for their personal experiences, I'm sure they'll mostly concur. Take a look at this article if you want to understand the science behind why this is the case. Any article that turns small statistical changes in choice into "women do x" isn't a very good source of scientific information. Please explain your position without resorting to a failure to understand generalizations and statistics. Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 14:43 sevencck wrote:On October 18 2012 14:34 sunprince wrote:On October 18 2012 14:24 Souma wrote:
There's obviously a balance issue here. You'll be hard-pressed to find a great girlfriend if you're too nice. Likewise, it'll be pretty damn hard to find a nice, smart girl if you're just a giant douche. I've never had any such problems since I became a misanthropic douche. Feel free to ask other giant douches for their personal experiences, I'm sure they'll mostly concur. Take a look at this article if you want to understand the science behind why this is the case. This isn't wrong just overly simplistic It's a useful generalization. It would be similarly "overly simplistic" to say that men prefer women who are pretty. Would you take issue with that?
I'd say both sexes respond to physical attributes. I'd say it's a bit different to say that women respond to assholes. Men most often respond to femininity. Women most often respond to masculinity, and assholish behavior is often aggressive and masculine. Masculine behavior can also be evolved and inclusive though, so to say women respond to assholes is kinda missing the more important energy women respond to that underlies the juvenile side of masculinity (in the case of assholes). In any case, I've noticed alot of women I know find Obama attractive, maybe for these reasons.
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On October 18 2012 14:56 CountChocula wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 14:45 sunprince wrote:On October 18 2012 14:37 frogrubdown wrote:On October 18 2012 14:34 sunprince wrote:On October 18 2012 14:24 Souma wrote:
There's obviously a balance issue here. You'll be hard-pressed to find a great girlfriend if you're too nice. Likewise, it'll be pretty damn hard to find a nice, smart girl if you're just a giant douche. I've never had any such problems since I became a misanthropic douche. Feel free to ask other giant douches for their personal experiences, I'm sure they'll mostly concur. Take a look at this article if you want to understand the science behind why this is the case. Any article that turns small statistical changes in choice into "women do x" isn't a very good source of scientific information. Please explain your position without resorting to a failure to understand generalizations and statistics. On October 18 2012 14:43 sevencck wrote:On October 18 2012 14:34 sunprince wrote:On October 18 2012 14:24 Souma wrote:
There's obviously a balance issue here. You'll be hard-pressed to find a great girlfriend if you're too nice. Likewise, it'll be pretty damn hard to find a nice, smart girl if you're just a giant douche. I've never had any such problems since I became a misanthropic douche. Feel free to ask other giant douches for their personal experiences, I'm sure they'll mostly concur. Take a look at this article if you want to understand the science behind why this is the case. This isn't wrong just overly simplistic It's a useful generalization. It would be similarly "overly simplistic" to say that men prefer women who are pretty. Would you take issue with that? What people consider to be beautiful is largely influenced by culture. People from Japan have a different aesthetic of beauty from you, so your statement "men prefer women who are pretty" is extremely vague and overly simplistic when "pretty" isn't well-defined. Also to say "men prefer women who are pretty" means that you're ignoring any sort of balance between beauty, personality and intelligence.
There are certain aspects of physical attractiveness that have been demonstrated to be nearly universally attractive across cultures.
On October 18 2012 14:56 CountChocula wrote:
If you prefer a woman who's pretty but who is a complete idiot and who you can't converse with at all, then I'd say you have an overly simplistic view on this.
Preferring beauty does not mean ignoring other factors.
Person A: I like apples.
Person B: Do you like rotten apples?
Person A: No.
Person B: Haha, you have an overly simplistic view on apples!
*facepalm*
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On October 18 2012 14:58 sevencck wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 14:45 sunprince wrote:On October 18 2012 14:37 frogrubdown wrote:On October 18 2012 14:34 sunprince wrote:On October 18 2012 14:24 Souma wrote:
There's obviously a balance issue here. You'll be hard-pressed to find a great girlfriend if you're too nice. Likewise, it'll be pretty damn hard to find a nice, smart girl if you're just a giant douche. I've never had any such problems since I became a misanthropic douche. Feel free to ask other giant douches for their personal experiences, I'm sure they'll mostly concur. Take a look at this article if you want to understand the science behind why this is the case. Any article that turns small statistical changes in choice into "women do x" isn't a very good source of scientific information. Please explain your position without resorting to a failure to understand generalizations and statistics. On October 18 2012 14:43 sevencck wrote:On October 18 2012 14:34 sunprince wrote:On October 18 2012 14:24 Souma wrote:
There's obviously a balance issue here. You'll be hard-pressed to find a great girlfriend if you're too nice. Likewise, it'll be pretty damn hard to find a nice, smart girl if you're just a giant douche. I've never had any such problems since I became a misanthropic douche. Feel free to ask other giant douches for their personal experiences, I'm sure they'll mostly concur. Take a look at this article if you want to understand the science behind why this is the case. This isn't wrong just overly simplistic It's a useful generalization. It would be similarly "overly simplistic" to say that men prefer women who are pretty. Would you take issue with that? I'd say both sexes respond to physical attributes. I'd say it's a bit different to say that women respond to assholes. Men most often respond to femininity. Women most often respond to masculinity, and assholish behavior is often aggressive and masculine. Masculine behavior can also be evolved and inclusive though, so to say women respond to assholes is kinda missing the more important energy women respond to that underlies the juvenile side of masculinity.
I don't disagree with any of this.
On October 18 2012 14:58 sevencck wrote:
In any case, I've noticed alot of women I know find Obama attractive, maybe for these reasons.
As implied by my previous posts on this topic, Obama is a useless metric because of the confounding factors. A lot of women find men in general with power, wealth, fame, and privilege attractive. The real question to be asked is, "Is the average man more attractive to women when he acts like a nice guy, or when he acts like a jerk?", and both the empirical evidence and the anecdotal experiences of sexually experienced men point to the latter.
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Canada2068 Posts
On October 18 2012 15:02 sunprince wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 14:56 CountChocula wrote:On October 18 2012 14:45 sunprince wrote:On October 18 2012 14:37 frogrubdown wrote:On October 18 2012 14:34 sunprince wrote:On October 18 2012 14:24 Souma wrote:
There's obviously a balance issue here. You'll be hard-pressed to find a great girlfriend if you're too nice. Likewise, it'll be pretty damn hard to find a nice, smart girl if you're just a giant douche. I've never had any such problems since I became a misanthropic douche. Feel free to ask other giant douches for their personal experiences, I'm sure they'll mostly concur. Take a look at this article if you want to understand the science behind why this is the case. Any article that turns small statistical changes in choice into "women do x" isn't a very good source of scientific information. Please explain your position without resorting to a failure to understand generalizations and statistics. On October 18 2012 14:43 sevencck wrote:On October 18 2012 14:34 sunprince wrote:On October 18 2012 14:24 Souma wrote:
There's obviously a balance issue here. You'll be hard-pressed to find a great girlfriend if you're too nice. Likewise, it'll be pretty damn hard to find a nice, smart girl if you're just a giant douche. I've never had any such problems since I became a misanthropic douche. Feel free to ask other giant douches for their personal experiences, I'm sure they'll mostly concur. Take a look at this article if you want to understand the science behind why this is the case. This isn't wrong just overly simplistic It's a useful generalization. It would be similarly "overly simplistic" to say that men prefer women who are pretty. Would you take issue with that? What people consider to be beautiful is largely influenced by culture. People from Japan have a different aesthetic of beauty from you, so your statement "men prefer women who are pretty" is extremely vague and overly simplistic when "pretty" isn't well-defined. Also to say "men prefer women who are pretty" means that you're ignoring any sort of balance between beauty, personality and intelligence. There are certain aspects of physical attractiveness that have been demonstrated to be nearly universally attractive across cultures.
Can you cite me something for such a claim?
edit: Nvm, you don't have to bother. I was probably being overly nit-picky here. I'd probably argue one can say there is a well-defined concept of beauty within each culture and that's what the "pretty" you're talking about means.
On October 18 2012 15:02 sunprince wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 14:56 CountChocula wrote:
If you prefer a woman who's pretty but who is a complete idiot and who you can't converse with at all, then I'd say you have an overly simplistic view on this. Preferring beauty does not mean ignoring other factors. Person A: I like apples. Person B: Do you like rotten apples? Person A: No. Person B: Haha, you have an overly simplistic view on apples! *facepalm*
Then you should qualify your statement to say "men prefer women who are pretty, but other factors (personality and intelligence) come into play too." Not to mention if the reason for your preference for [insert random quality of woman] is as arbitrary as your analogy to your preference of fruits suggests, this can be questioned as well because to quote Socrates: "The unexamined life is not worth living." I imagine you'll say something about how evolution influences our behaviour and taste in women so it's not arbitrary at all, but such a response is not a valid answer because of the naturalistic fallacy. It would be satisfactory for a non-human animal who can only operate by instinct, but it's not for rational beings.
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On October 18 2012 14:43 sunprince wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 14:36 Souma wrote:On October 18 2012 14:34 sunprince wrote:On October 18 2012 14:24 Souma wrote:
There's obviously a balance issue here. You'll be hard-pressed to find a great girlfriend if you're too nice. Likewise, it'll be pretty damn hard to find a nice, smart girl if you're just a giant douche. I've never had any such problems since I became a misanthropic douche. Feel free to ask other giant douches for their personal experiences, I'm sure they'll mostly concur. Take a look at this article if you want to understand the science behind why this is the case. We may be disagreeing on what constitutes a nice, smart girlfriend though. The point I'm making is that science overwhelmingly indicates men with Dark Triad traits are nearly universally attractive to women, the same way that science indicates that women with youthful appearances, symmetrical faces, full breasts, full lips, and a low waist-hip ratio are nearly universally attractive to men. Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 14:36 Souma wrote:
Little did you know I can't possibly lose this argument, because in my eyes a nice, smart woman would never go for a giant douche.
Game and set! Well, I can't argue with logic like that!
There's two tangents here -- the science of attraction, and the science of relationships. "Misogyny" as xDaunt puts it, or an "alpha" presence, is great for attention and finding dates, obviously. For having an actual relationship that goes somewhere, the only thing that matters is, not to sound corny, laughter and conversation. Plenty of men have smart, beautiful wives and girlfriends not because they're domineering, but because the women simply like being around them and circumstance brought them together. Those are also the relationships that don't end up being a failure or an endurance contest.
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On October 18 2012 15:05 sunprince wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 14:58 sevencck wrote:On October 18 2012 14:45 sunprince wrote:On October 18 2012 14:37 frogrubdown wrote:On October 18 2012 14:34 sunprince wrote:On October 18 2012 14:24 Souma wrote:
There's obviously a balance issue here. You'll be hard-pressed to find a great girlfriend if you're too nice. Likewise, it'll be pretty damn hard to find a nice, smart girl if you're just a giant douche. I've never had any such problems since I became a misanthropic douche. Feel free to ask other giant douches for their personal experiences, I'm sure they'll mostly concur. Take a look at this article if you want to understand the science behind why this is the case. Any article that turns small statistical changes in choice into "women do x" isn't a very good source of scientific information. Please explain your position without resorting to a failure to understand generalizations and statistics. On October 18 2012 14:43 sevencck wrote:On October 18 2012 14:34 sunprince wrote:On October 18 2012 14:24 Souma wrote:
There's obviously a balance issue here. You'll be hard-pressed to find a great girlfriend if you're too nice. Likewise, it'll be pretty damn hard to find a nice, smart girl if you're just a giant douche. I've never had any such problems since I became a misanthropic douche. Feel free to ask other giant douches for their personal experiences, I'm sure they'll mostly concur. Take a look at this article if you want to understand the science behind why this is the case. This isn't wrong just overly simplistic It's a useful generalization. It would be similarly "overly simplistic" to say that men prefer women who are pretty. Would you take issue with that? I'd say both sexes respond to physical attributes. I'd say it's a bit different to say that women respond to assholes. Men most often respond to femininity. Women most often respond to masculinity, and assholish behavior is often aggressive and masculine. Masculine behavior can also be evolved and inclusive though, so to say women respond to assholes is kinda missing the more important energy women respond to that underlies the juvenile side of masculinity. I don't disagree with any of this. Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 14:58 sevencck wrote:
In any case, I've noticed alot of women I know find Obama attractive, maybe for these reasons. As implied by my previous posts on this topic, Obama is a useless metric because of the confounding factors. A lot of women find men in general with power, wealth, fame, and privilege attractive. The real question to be asked is, "Is the average man more attractive to women when he acts like a nice guy, or when he acts like a jerk?", and both the empirical evidence and the anecdotal experiences of sexually experienced men point to the latter.
I think it's much easier to express juvenile impulsive assholish masculinity than it is to express evolved inclusive masculinity. What makes it more difficult is that along the way, feminism has managed to play a cruel trick and convince many men that "evolved" behavior involves renouncing masculine tendencies. So I'd simply argue that any empiricism you present is inherently biased toward the latter since our current constructs of nice guy are flawed with respect to attracting females.
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On October 18 2012 15:05 sunprince wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 14:58 sevencck wrote:On October 18 2012 14:45 sunprince wrote:On October 18 2012 14:37 frogrubdown wrote:On October 18 2012 14:34 sunprince wrote:On October 18 2012 14:24 Souma wrote:
There's obviously a balance issue here. You'll be hard-pressed to find a great girlfriend if you're too nice. Likewise, it'll be pretty damn hard to find a nice, smart girl if you're just a giant douche. I've never had any such problems since I became a misanthropic douche. Feel free to ask other giant douches for their personal experiences, I'm sure they'll mostly concur. Take a look at this article if you want to understand the science behind why this is the case. Any article that turns small statistical changes in choice into "women do x" isn't a very good source of scientific information. Please explain your position without resorting to a failure to understand generalizations and statistics. On October 18 2012 14:43 sevencck wrote:On October 18 2012 14:34 sunprince wrote:On October 18 2012 14:24 Souma wrote:
There's obviously a balance issue here. You'll be hard-pressed to find a great girlfriend if you're too nice. Likewise, it'll be pretty damn hard to find a nice, smart girl if you're just a giant douche. I've never had any such problems since I became a misanthropic douche. Feel free to ask other giant douches for their personal experiences, I'm sure they'll mostly concur. Take a look at this article if you want to understand the science behind why this is the case. This isn't wrong just overly simplistic It's a useful generalization. It would be similarly "overly simplistic" to say that men prefer women who are pretty. Would you take issue with that? I'd say both sexes respond to physical attributes. I'd say it's a bit different to say that women respond to assholes. Men most often respond to femininity. Women most often respond to masculinity, and assholish behavior is often aggressive and masculine. Masculine behavior can also be evolved and inclusive though, so to say women respond to assholes is kinda missing the more important energy women respond to that underlies the juvenile side of masculinity. I don't disagree with any of this. Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 14:58 sevencck wrote:
In any case, I've noticed alot of women I know find Obama attractive, maybe for these reasons. As implied by my previous posts on this topic, Obama is a useless metric because of the confounding factors. A lot of women find men in general with power, wealth, fame, and privilege attractive. The real question to be asked is, "Is the average man more attractive to women when he acts like a nice guy, or when he acts like a jerk?", and both the empirical evidence and the anecdotal experiences of sexually experienced men point to the latter.
I get what you're saying, and on a very general, shallow level I'm inclined to agree. People just need to remember that this is purely attractiveness and it is not advocating a measure to find a steady relationship. It's more or less just something to get you laid.
Edit: Leporello beat me to it.
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I'll be voting for Gary Johnson (libertarian party) this November. He's actually wants to end the war in Afghanistan, the war on drugs, and to stop using the US military as a global police force.
The higher percentage he gets, the more media attention third party candidates will get next election. Eventually the libertarian party will be allowed into the debates if this happens.
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On October 18 2012 15:15 Voltaire wrote:
I'll be voting for Gary Johnson (libertarian party) this November. He's actually wants to end the war in Afghanistan, the war on drugs, and to stop using the US military as a global police force.
The higher percentage he gets, the more media attention third party candidates will get next election. Eventually the libertarian party will be allowed into the debates if this happens.
Perhaps I'll vote for Jill Stein. California's going to Obama either way.
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