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On October 18 2012 13:36 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 13:29 farvacola wrote:On October 18 2012 13:22 sam!zdat wrote:
(edit: sorry, you wanna privilege what and deconstruct why, or the other way around? Not sure I follow your drift)
Just assume that essential human characteristics exist, and make your criteria for successful description appropriately exhaustive. we're just trying to sound smart And failing most of the time. But the effort is what counts! Edit: Lit Crit ought to hijack politics every so often. Or, in my case, the other way around. LOL, lit crit. Does it surprise you at all that my favorite South Park episode is "The Tale of Scrotie McBoogerballs?"I
Would it surprise you if it was in my top three because I'm indecisive? "The Death Camp of Tolerance" and "City Sushi" are close contenders 
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On October 18 2012 13:29 farvacola wrote:
Edit: Lit Crit ought to hijack politics every so often. Or, in my case, the other way around.
I know, right? That's more or less my mission in this thread, dunno if if I'm doin' the gadfly thing right or just being obnoxious (classic philosopher's dilemma).
As for exhaustive descriptions, enumeration of characteristics is precisely the wrong way to go about ascertaining the dao of things  that's the problem with "bad essentialism." The constructivists are right in that gender can be performed in different ways in different contexts (because of course signifiers only mean things in the context of other signifiers), but what they don't understand is that these performances are always about something, and I think that 'something' is pretty much always the same and is about biology as much as anything else. But you can't 'describe' it in the sense of enumeration of characteristics, that's a fool's errand (kinda like describing the fibonnaci sequence or smth by exhaustively enumerating its members, that's just not what you do). It's a bit like a genotype-phenotype distinction but I don't want to pursue that analogy too far.
edit: I've only seen a few south park episodes but should I watch that one because I'm a lit theorist? Or will it hurt my feelingzz?
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On October 18 2012 12:23 Defacer wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 12:14 xDaunt wrote:On October 18 2012 11:15 sam!zdat wrote:
this hermeneutics of sexism stuff is why I dislike identity politics. can't ever talk about anything constructive because people just wanna argue about who is and isn't a 'real' feminist, and usually trying to say you aren't sexist is taken as sure proof that you are.
That being said, structural inequality is a real problem. I just wish all this litmus BS wouldn't get in the way of dealing with actual problems Pfff, I revel in my quasi-misogynist tendencies. All men who have dated women have earned a right to such tendencies. LOL. So the single life is going that well, huh? Seriously though, if you want tips on how to get women to like you, take a look at Obama. Sticking up for Hilary the way Obama did wasn't just smooth, it probably made a bunch of lesbians second-guess themselves.
Acting like Obama only attracts women if you have massive power, fame, and privlege.
For those of us who don't benefit from those preselection effects, playing the nice guy/white knight/beta male is a great path to celibacy or cuckoldry.
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On October 18 2012 13:39 farvacola wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 13:36 xDaunt wrote:On October 18 2012 13:29 farvacola wrote:On October 18 2012 13:22 sam!zdat wrote:
(edit: sorry, you wanna privilege what and deconstruct why, or the other way around? Not sure I follow your drift)
Just assume that essential human characteristics exist, and make your criteria for successful description appropriately exhaustive. we're just trying to sound smart And failing most of the time. But the effort is what counts! Edit: Lit Crit ought to hijack politics every so often. Or, in my case, the other way around. LOL, lit crit. Does it surprise you at all that my favorite South Park episode is "The Tale of Scrotie McBoogerballs?"I Would it surprise you if it was in my top three because I'm indecisive? "The Death Camp of Tolerance" and "City Sushi" are close contenders
Yep, Death Camp of Tolerance is my number 2.
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I believe we all forgot to address the giant elephant in the room.
Holy fuck, xDaunt is married.
Holy shit, he has a daughter!
I don't know if these tears streaming down my cheeks are tears of joy, sympathy, laughter, despair, or what.
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On October 18 2012 13:41 sunprince wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 12:23 Defacer wrote:On October 18 2012 12:14 xDaunt wrote:On October 18 2012 11:15 sam!zdat wrote:
this hermeneutics of sexism stuff is why I dislike identity politics. can't ever talk about anything constructive because people just wanna argue about who is and isn't a 'real' feminist, and usually trying to say you aren't sexist is taken as sure proof that you are.
That being said, structural inequality is a real problem. I just wish all this litmus BS wouldn't get in the way of dealing with actual problems Pfff, I revel in my quasi-misogynist tendencies. All men who have dated women have earned a right to such tendencies. LOL. So the single life is going that well, huh? Seriously though, if you want tips on how to get women to like you, take a look at Obama. Sticking up for Hilary the way Obama did wasn't just smooth, it probably made a bunch of lesbians second-guess themselves. Acting like Obama only attracts women if you have massive power, fame, and privlege. For those of us who don't benefit from those preselection effects, playing the nice guy/white knight/beta male is a great path to celibacy or cuckoldry.
Or getting laid at College Democrat parties (the election of 2008 got 'em rowdayyy), but to each their own experience I guess. Why do people pretend gender relations are some one size fits all sort of game? If you can't rock the V, don't. But don't go hatin on those who do. As to Sam!z, we are in agreement and yes watch that episode.
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On October 18 2012 13:09 sam!zdat wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 13:07 nevermindthebollocks wrote:
sorry if this is been done but there's so many pages in this thread!!! I know you mean well but don't do this again. welcome to teamliquid
what? make polls?
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On October 18 2012 13:51 nevermindthebollocks wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 13:09 sam!zdat wrote:On October 18 2012 13:07 nevermindthebollocks wrote:
sorry if this is been done but there's so many pages in this thread!!! I know you mean well but don't do this again. welcome to teamliquid what? make polls?
yeah you make your ninth post on TL a useless poll on page eight hundred whatever, takes up a lot of space I gotta scroll past and man is my middle finger sore. anyway polls are kinda frowned upon here so don't make them as a good rule of thumb
On October 18 2012 13:49 farvacola wrote:As to Sam!z, we are in agreement and yes watch that episode.
yeah word I'll do that. I don't like south park enough to watch it a lot but I like the good episodes (edit: as far as the exclamation point goes, my handle is supposed to be "samizdat" but somebody already had that so the most creative thing I could think of was the exclamation point. you guys can call me whatever but you don't have to go to special effort for the exclamation point)
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On October 18 2012 13:39 sam!zdat wrote:
edit: I've only seen a few south park episodes but should I watch that one because I'm a lit theorist? Or will it hurt my feelingzz?
Lit theorist, huh? In that case, you may question your existence after watching the episode.
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On October 18 2012 13:54 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 13:39 sam!zdat wrote:
edit: I've only seen a few south park episodes but should I watch that one because I'm a lit theorist? Or will it hurt my feelingzz? Lit theorist, huh? In that case, you may question your existence after watching the episode.
lol you have no idea what it's like being a lit theorist
"question my existence" psssh
let me just go sob tears of unemployed happiness into my whisky while I enjoy that one
(edit: I'm not actually unemployed)
edit: I'm gonna be sad when the election politics is over and this thread no longer exists. Then I'll have to do useful things with my time
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On October 18 2012 13:39 sam!zdat wrote:
edit: I'm gonna be sad when the election politics is over and this thread no longer exists.
I was thinking maybe we can turn this thread into a general U.S. Politics thread after the election is over.
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On October 18 2012 13:41 sunprince wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 12:23 Defacer wrote:On October 18 2012 12:14 xDaunt wrote:On October 18 2012 11:15 sam!zdat wrote:
this hermeneutics of sexism stuff is why I dislike identity politics. can't ever talk about anything constructive because people just wanna argue about who is and isn't a 'real' feminist, and usually trying to say you aren't sexist is taken as sure proof that you are.
That being said, structural inequality is a real problem. I just wish all this litmus BS wouldn't get in the way of dealing with actual problems Pfff, I revel in my quasi-misogynist tendencies. All men who have dated women have earned a right to such tendencies. LOL. So the single life is going that well, huh? Seriously though, if you want tips on how to get women to like you, take a look at Obama. Sticking up for Hilary the way Obama did wasn't just smooth, it probably made a bunch of lesbians second-guess themselves. Acting like Obama only attracts women if you have massive power, fame, and privlege. For those of us who don't benefit from those preselection effects, playing the nice guy/white knight/beta male is a great path to celibacy or cuckoldry.
This isn't r/mensrights.
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On October 18 2012 13:57 sam!zdat wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 13:54 xDaunt wrote:On October 18 2012 13:39 sam!zdat wrote:
edit: I've only seen a few south park episodes but should I watch that one because I'm a lit theorist? Or will it hurt my feelingzz? Lit theorist, huh? In that case, you may question your existence after watching the episode. lol you have no idea what it's like being a lit theorist "question my existence" psssh let me just go sob tears of unemployed happiness into my whisky while I enjoy that one (edit: I'm not actually unemployed) edit: I'm gonna be sad when the election politics is over and this thread no longer exists. Then I'll have to do useful things with my time
I giggled.
If the llama gets reelected we're going to have a much more proactive president since he won't have to worry about reelection, methinks. If Romney gets elected we're going to have thread after thread about one thing or another as well. We'll all get to see each other, I'm sure of it 
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On October 18 2012 13:38 Twinkle Toes wrote:
Binders of Women was bad, but I think Romney won the debate.
honest question, do you think you'll be better off in a romney presidency or obama, and why
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On October 18 2012 13:49 farvacola wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 13:41 sunprince wrote:On October 18 2012 12:23 Defacer wrote:On October 18 2012 12:14 xDaunt wrote:On October 18 2012 11:15 sam!zdat wrote:
this hermeneutics of sexism stuff is why I dislike identity politics. can't ever talk about anything constructive because people just wanna argue about who is and isn't a 'real' feminist, and usually trying to say you aren't sexist is taken as sure proof that you are.
That being said, structural inequality is a real problem. I just wish all this litmus BS wouldn't get in the way of dealing with actual problems Pfff, I revel in my quasi-misogynist tendencies. All men who have dated women have earned a right to such tendencies. LOL. So the single life is going that well, huh? Seriously though, if you want tips on how to get women to like you, take a look at Obama. Sticking up for Hilary the way Obama did wasn't just smooth, it probably made a bunch of lesbians second-guess themselves. Acting like Obama only attracts women if you have massive power, fame, and privlege. For those of us who don't benefit from those preselection effects, playing the nice guy/white knight/beta male is a great path to celibacy or cuckoldry. Or getting laid at College Democrat parties (the election of 2008 got 'em rowdayyy), but to each their own experience I guess.
The (few) hot girls at college Democrat parties bang men who emulate Bill Clinton, not Obama. Even liberal women bang assholes like me, while using chipmunk-cheeked, bitch tittied, passive-aggressive manginas for emotional sponging and torturous ball-twisting friendships. Beta males who pedestalize women get nowhere, even with the women who ostensibly "hate" jerks and claim to want a "nice guy".
On October 18 2012 13:49 farvacola wrote:
Why do people pretend gender relations are some one size fits all sort of game? If you can't rock the V, don't. But don't go hatin on those who do.
It's not "hatin" to call bullshit on bad advice that would screw over any poor man naive enough to listen to it.
On October 18 2012 14:02 frogrubdown wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 13:41 sunprince wrote:On October 18 2012 12:23 Defacer wrote:On October 18 2012 12:14 xDaunt wrote:On October 18 2012 11:15 sam!zdat wrote:
this hermeneutics of sexism stuff is why I dislike identity politics. can't ever talk about anything constructive because people just wanna argue about who is and isn't a 'real' feminist, and usually trying to say you aren't sexist is taken as sure proof that you are.
That being said, structural inequality is a real problem. I just wish all this litmus BS wouldn't get in the way of dealing with actual problems Pfff, I revel in my quasi-misogynist tendencies. All men who have dated women have earned a right to such tendencies. LOL. So the single life is going that well, huh? Seriously though, if you want tips on how to get women to like you, take a look at Obama. Sticking up for Hilary the way Obama did wasn't just smooth, it probably made a bunch of lesbians second-guess themselves. Acting like Obama only attracts women if you have massive power, fame, and privlege. For those of us who don't benefit from those preselection effects, playing the nice guy/white knight/beta male is a great path to celibacy or cuckoldry. This isn't r/mensrights.
I have no idea what you're getting at, or even what your point was if you meant r/seduction.
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After the election, if no one else does, I'll start a us political discussion thread. There's always something worth talking about, and 2014 is not so far away
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On October 18 2012 14:17 sunprince wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 13:49 farvacola wrote:On October 18 2012 13:41 sunprince wrote:On October 18 2012 12:23 Defacer wrote:On October 18 2012 12:14 xDaunt wrote:On October 18 2012 11:15 sam!zdat wrote:
this hermeneutics of sexism stuff is why I dislike identity politics. can't ever talk about anything constructive because people just wanna argue about who is and isn't a 'real' feminist, and usually trying to say you aren't sexist is taken as sure proof that you are.
That being said, structural inequality is a real problem. I just wish all this litmus BS wouldn't get in the way of dealing with actual problems Pfff, I revel in my quasi-misogynist tendencies. All men who have dated women have earned a right to such tendencies. LOL. So the single life is going that well, huh? Seriously though, if you want tips on how to get women to like you, take a look at Obama. Sticking up for Hilary the way Obama did wasn't just smooth, it probably made a bunch of lesbians second-guess themselves. Acting like Obama only attracts women if you have massive power, fame, and privlege. For those of us who don't benefit from those preselection effects, playing the nice guy/white knight/beta male is a great path to celibacy or cuckoldry. Or getting laid at College Democrat parties (the election of 2008 got 'em rowdayyy), but to each their own experience I guess. The (few) hot girls at college Democrat parties bang men who emulate Bill Clinton, not Obama. Even liberal women bang assholes like me, while using chipmunk-cheeked, bitch tittied, passive-aggressive manginas for emotional sponging and torturous ball-twisting friendships. Beta males who pedestalize women get nowhere, even with the women who ostensibly "hate" jerks and claim to want a "nice guy". Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 13:49 farvacola wrote:
Why do people pretend gender relations are some one size fits all sort of game? If you can't rock the V, don't. But don't go hatin on those who do. It's not "hatin" to call bullshit on bad advice that would screw over any poor man naive enough to listen to it. Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 14:02 frogrubdown wrote:On October 18 2012 13:41 sunprince wrote:On October 18 2012 12:23 Defacer wrote:On October 18 2012 12:14 xDaunt wrote:On October 18 2012 11:15 sam!zdat wrote:
this hermeneutics of sexism stuff is why I dislike identity politics. can't ever talk about anything constructive because people just wanna argue about who is and isn't a 'real' feminist, and usually trying to say you aren't sexist is taken as sure proof that you are.
That being said, structural inequality is a real problem. I just wish all this litmus BS wouldn't get in the way of dealing with actual problems Pfff, I revel in my quasi-misogynist tendencies. All men who have dated women have earned a right to such tendencies. LOL. So the single life is going that well, huh? Seriously though, if you want tips on how to get women to like you, take a look at Obama. Sticking up for Hilary the way Obama did wasn't just smooth, it probably made a bunch of lesbians second-guess themselves. Acting like Obama only attracts women if you have massive power, fame, and privlege. For those of us who don't benefit from those preselection effects, playing the nice guy/white knight/beta male is a great path to celibacy or cuckoldry. This isn't r/mensrights. I have no idea what you're getting at, or even what your point was if you meant r/seduction.
Well it isn't that either (I probably would have said, "The PUA thread's been closed" if I wanted that angle).
The two views have similar nonsense complaints about female preferences. I focused on r/mensrights because you also like to complain about feminists and equal pay.
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There's obviously a balance issue here. You'll be hard-pressed to find a great girlfriend if you're too nice. Likewise, it'll be pretty damn hard to find a nice, smart girl if you're just a giant douche.
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On October 18 2012 14:17 sunprince wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 13:49 farvacola wrote:On October 18 2012 13:41 sunprince wrote:On October 18 2012 12:23 Defacer wrote:On October 18 2012 12:14 xDaunt wrote:On October 18 2012 11:15 sam!zdat wrote:
this hermeneutics of sexism stuff is why I dislike identity politics. can't ever talk about anything constructive because people just wanna argue about who is and isn't a 'real' feminist, and usually trying to say you aren't sexist is taken as sure proof that you are.
That being said, structural inequality is a real problem. I just wish all this litmus BS wouldn't get in the way of dealing with actual problems Pfff, I revel in my quasi-misogynist tendencies. All men who have dated women have earned a right to such tendencies. LOL. So the single life is going that well, huh? Seriously though, if you want tips on how to get women to like you, take a look at Obama. Sticking up for Hilary the way Obama did wasn't just smooth, it probably made a bunch of lesbians second-guess themselves. Acting like Obama only attracts women if you have massive power, fame, and privlege. For those of us who don't benefit from those preselection effects, playing the nice guy/white knight/beta male is a great path to celibacy or cuckoldry. Or getting laid at College Democrat parties (the election of 2008 got 'em rowdayyy), but to each their own experience I guess. The (few) hot girls at college Democrat parties bang men who emulate Bill Clinton, not Obama. Even liberal women bang assholes like me, while using chipmunk-cheeked, bitch tittied, passive-aggressive manginas for emotional sponging and torturous ball-twisting friendships. Beta males who pedestalize women get nowhere, even with the women who ostensibly "hate" jerks and claim to want a "nice guy". Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 13:49 farvacola wrote:
Why do people pretend gender relations are some one size fits all sort of game? If you can't rock the V, don't. But don't go hatin on those who do. It's not "hatin" to call bullshit on bad advice that would screw over any poor man naive enough to listen to it. Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 14:02 frogrubdown wrote:On October 18 2012 13:41 sunprince wrote:On October 18 2012 12:23 Defacer wrote:On October 18 2012 12:14 xDaunt wrote:On October 18 2012 11:15 sam!zdat wrote:
this hermeneutics of sexism stuff is why I dislike identity politics. can't ever talk about anything constructive because people just wanna argue about who is and isn't a 'real' feminist, and usually trying to say you aren't sexist is taken as sure proof that you are.
That being said, structural inequality is a real problem. I just wish all this litmus BS wouldn't get in the way of dealing with actual problems Pfff, I revel in my quasi-misogynist tendencies. All men who have dated women have earned a right to such tendencies. LOL. So the single life is going that well, huh? Seriously though, if you want tips on how to get women to like you, take a look at Obama. Sticking up for Hilary the way Obama did wasn't just smooth, it probably made a bunch of lesbians second-guess themselves. Acting like Obama only attracts women if you have massive power, fame, and privlege. For those of us who don't benefit from those preselection effects, playing the nice guy/white knight/beta male is a great path to celibacy or cuckoldry. This isn't r/mensrights. I have no idea what you're getting at, or even what your point was if you meant r/seduction.
When it comes down to it, if I were to use your language, we probably act similarly on very different brands of "asshole". I guess what I'm saying is that there is a huge difference between overt misogyny and "Bill Clinton" misogyny.
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On October 18 2012 14:22 frogrubdown wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 14:17 sunprince wrote:On October 18 2012 13:49 farvacola wrote:On October 18 2012 13:41 sunprince wrote:On October 18 2012 12:23 Defacer wrote:On October 18 2012 12:14 xDaunt wrote:On October 18 2012 11:15 sam!zdat wrote:
this hermeneutics of sexism stuff is why I dislike identity politics. can't ever talk about anything constructive because people just wanna argue about who is and isn't a 'real' feminist, and usually trying to say you aren't sexist is taken as sure proof that you are.
That being said, structural inequality is a real problem. I just wish all this litmus BS wouldn't get in the way of dealing with actual problems Pfff, I revel in my quasi-misogynist tendencies. All men who have dated women have earned a right to such tendencies. LOL. So the single life is going that well, huh? Seriously though, if you want tips on how to get women to like you, take a look at Obama. Sticking up for Hilary the way Obama did wasn't just smooth, it probably made a bunch of lesbians second-guess themselves. Acting like Obama only attracts women if you have massive power, fame, and privlege. For those of us who don't benefit from those preselection effects, playing the nice guy/white knight/beta male is a great path to celibacy or cuckoldry. Or getting laid at College Democrat parties (the election of 2008 got 'em rowdayyy), but to each their own experience I guess. The (few) hot girls at college Democrat parties bang men who emulate Bill Clinton, not Obama. Even liberal women bang assholes like me, while using chipmunk-cheeked, bitch tittied, passive-aggressive manginas for emotional sponging and torturous ball-twisting friendships. Beta males who pedestalize women get nowhere, even with the women who ostensibly "hate" jerks and claim to want a "nice guy". On October 18 2012 13:49 farvacola wrote:
Why do people pretend gender relations are some one size fits all sort of game? If you can't rock the V, don't. But don't go hatin on those who do. It's not "hatin" to call bullshit on bad advice that would screw over any poor man naive enough to listen to it. On October 18 2012 14:02 frogrubdown wrote:On October 18 2012 13:41 sunprince wrote:On October 18 2012 12:23 Defacer wrote:On October 18 2012 12:14 xDaunt wrote:On October 18 2012 11:15 sam!zdat wrote:
this hermeneutics of sexism stuff is why I dislike identity politics. can't ever talk about anything constructive because people just wanna argue about who is and isn't a 'real' feminist, and usually trying to say you aren't sexist is taken as sure proof that you are.
That being said, structural inequality is a real problem. I just wish all this litmus BS wouldn't get in the way of dealing with actual problems Pfff, I revel in my quasi-misogynist tendencies. All men who have dated women have earned a right to such tendencies. LOL. So the single life is going that well, huh? Seriously though, if you want tips on how to get women to like you, take a look at Obama. Sticking up for Hilary the way Obama did wasn't just smooth, it probably made a bunch of lesbians second-guess themselves. Acting like Obama only attracts women if you have massive power, fame, and privlege. For those of us who don't benefit from those preselection effects, playing the nice guy/white knight/beta male is a great path to celibacy or cuckoldry. This isn't r/mensrights. I have no idea what you're getting at, or even what your point was if you meant r/seduction. Well it isn't that either (I probably would have said, "The PUA thread's been closed" if I wanted that angle). The two views have similar nonsense complaints about female preferences.
I have no idea where you thought that I had any complaints about female preferences. I'm quite fond of them, in fact. My complaints are directed only towards the perpetuation of lies about said female preferences.
On October 18 2012 14:22 frogrubdown wrote:
I focused on r/mensrights because you also like to complain about feminists and equal pay.
So should I tell you "This isn't r/feminism" because you like to perpetuate bullshit feminist myths?
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